It is verge collection this weekend in my mother's suburb. It is quite wealthy area too, so I expected to see some PCs or laptops chucked out
that are no longer supported. But didn't find any at all.
It is verge collection this weekend in my mother's suburb. It is quite wealthy area too, so I expected to see some PCs or laptops chucked out
that are no longer supported. But didn't find any at all.
Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:
It is verge collection this weekend in my mother's suburb. It is quite
wealthy area too, so I expected to see some PCs or laptops chucked out
that are no longer supported. But didn't find any at all.
Little over 10 days is a bit short to buy a new system, transfer your
old programs, data and settings and dump the old one.
And, they just got the October updates, so it's still up-to-date till
the November cycle. And then there's the ESU (Extended Security Updates) program for a year. Need I go on!? :-)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 09:59:01 +0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:
It is verge collection this weekend in my mother's suburb. It is quite
wealthy area too, so I expected to see some PCs or laptops chucked out
that are no longer supported. But didn't find any at all.
Little over 10 days is a bit short to buy a new system, transfer your
old programs, data and settings and dump the old one.
And, they just got the October updates, so it's still up-to-date till
the November cycle. And then there's the ESU (Extended Security Updates) program for a year. Need I go on!? :-)
only if you give your soul to MS.
It's the EU that gets the free updates without divesting their souls.
anyone else must sign their lives over to them, and hell will freeze over before that happens here.
On 25 Oct 2025 20:35:51 +1000, noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 09:59:01 +0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:Seems after maybe because of Windows 11 the tide is turning against >Microsoft?
Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:
It is verge collection this weekend in my mother's suburb. It is quite >>>> wealthy area too, so I expected to see some PCs or laptops chucked out >>>> that are no longer supported. But didn't find any at all.
Little over 10 days is a bit short to buy a new system, transfer your
old programs, data and settings and dump the old one.
And, they just got the October updates, so it's still up-to-date till
the November cycle. And then there's the ESU (Extended Security Updates) >>> program for a year. Need I go on!? :-)
only if you give your soul to MS.
It's the EU that gets the free updates without divesting their souls. >>anyone else must sign their lives over to them, and hell will freeze over >>before that happens here.
Possibly Microsoft are trying to get the rest of EU not to follow.
For me to go to Linux means I lose programs and devices
I've come to use.
But this is happening ever since I bought Microsoft, the company
suddenly gives up on it's customers, Early in the piece, bought the
whole Microsoft office (from Harvey Norman) after some years MS
decided my copy was pirated and disabled it. wanted me to scan the box
and send image, did not have a $$$scanner then,
Bought a photography program put them out as *.MIX format dumped that.
Skype I had for years dumped that (really bad news for me, I used to
make overseas phone calls), a Windows phone they dumped that again the
APP's are not transferable, a Bird APP was not cheap.
Personally would advise others to swap computer platforms as well
Windows 11 is their best stinker yet,
what's the betting MS shortly dump that?
Germany and Denmark's governments are not using Microsoft, with the
German state of Schleswig-Holstein leading the shift to open-source >alternatives like LibreOffice and Linux, and the Danish Ministry of
Digital Affairs following suit. Both are making the transition to
reduce dependency on foreign tech companies, lower costs, and increase >digital sovereignty. Denmark's move, which began in the summer of
2025, is part of a four-year digital strategy, with cities like
Copenhagen and Aarhus also adopting open-source solutions.
<https://www.uctoday.com/unified-communications/denmark-now-germany-is-the-public-sector-migrating-away-from-the-microsoft-suite/>
https://tinyurl.com/36ad9jfj
Denmark, Now Germany: Is the Public Sector Migrating Away from the
Microsoft Suite?
The Danish government and its top municipalities, alongside a state in >Germany, are migrating away from Microsoft in a move that could cause
an avalanche
Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:
It is verge collection this weekend in my mother's suburb. It is quite
wealthy area too, so I expected to see some PCs or laptops chucked out
that are no longer supported. But didn't find any at all.
Little over 10 days is a bit short to buy a new system, transfer your
old programs, data and settings and dump the old one.
And, they just got the October updates, so it's still up-to-date till
the November cycle. And then there's the ESU (Extended Security Updates) program for a year. Need I go on!? :-)
On 25 Oct 2025 20:35:51 +1000, noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 09:59:01 +0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:Seems after maybe because of Windows 11 the tide is turning against Microsoft?
Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:only if you give your soul to MS.
It is verge collection this weekend in my mother's suburb. It is quite >>>> wealthy area too, so I expected to see some PCs or laptops chucked out >>>> that are no longer supported. But didn't find any at all.Little over 10 days is a bit short to buy a new system, transfer your >>> old programs, data and settings and dump the old one.
And, they just got the October updates, so it's still up-to-date till >>> the November cycle. And then there's the ESU (Extended Security Updates) >>> program for a year. Need I go on!? :-)
It's the EU that gets the free updates without divesting their souls.
anyone else must sign their lives over to them, and hell will freeze over
before that happens here.
Possibly Microsoft are trying to get the rest of EU not to follow.
For me to go to Linux means I lose programs and devices
I've come to use.
But this is happening ever since I bought Microsoft, the company
suddenly gives up on it's customers, Early in the piece, bought the
whole Microsoft office (from Harvey Norman) after some years MS
decided my copy was pirated and disabled it.
wanted me to scan the box
and send image, did not have a $$$scanner then,
Bought a photography program put them out as *.MIX format dumped that.
Skype I had for years dumped that (really bad news for me, I used to
make overseas phone calls), a Windows phone they dumped that
again the
APP's are not transferable, a Bird APP was not cheap.
Personally would advise others to swap computer platforms as well
Windows 11 is their best stinker yet,
what's the betting MS shortly dump that?
Germany and Denmark's governments are not using Microsoft, with the
German state of Schleswig-Holstein leading the shift to open-source alternatives like LibreOffice and Linux, and the Danish Ministry of
Digital Affairs following suit. Both are making the transition to
reduce dependency on foreign tech companies, lower costs, and increase digital sovereignty. Denmark's move, which began in the summer of
2025, is part of a four-year digital strategy, with cities like
Copenhagen and Aarhus also adopting open-source solutions.
<https://www.uctoday.com/unified-communications/denmark-now-germany-is-the-public-sector-migrating-away-from-the-microsoft-suite/>
https://tinyurl.com/36ad9jfj
Denmark, Now Germany: Is the Public Sector Migrating Away from the
Microsoft Suite?
The Danish government and its top municipalities, alongside a state in Germany, are migrating away from Microsoft in a move that could cause
an avalanche
On 26 Oct 2025 07:54:47 +1000, not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd
Kev) wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:problem for people selling their used computers to others is security
Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:I expect most users won't know about update cycles and extended
It is verge collection this weekend in my mother's suburb. It is quite >>>> wealthy area too, so I expected to see some PCs or laptops chucked out >>>> that are no longer supported. But didn't find any at all.Little over 10 days is a bit short to buy a new system, transfer your >>> old programs, data and settings and dump the old one.
And, they just got the October updates, so it's still up-to-date till >>> the November cycle. And then there's the ESU (Extended Security Updates) >>> program for a year. Need I go on!? :-)
updates. They'll believe whatever pop-up notices M$ flash at them,
or if they ignore those then just keep running it until they find
software they want to install doesn't support it anymore (which M$
would like to happen immediately, but it usually doesn't).
left on drive. I don't sell mine even as junk I remove drive.
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:I expect most users won't know about update cycles and extended
It is verge collection this weekend in my mother's suburb. It is quiteLittle over 10 days is a bit short to buy a new system, transfer your
wealthy area too, so I expected to see some PCs or laptops chucked out
that are no longer supported. But didn't find any at all.
old programs, data and settings and dump the old one.
And, they just got the October updates, so it's still up-to-date till
the November cycle. And then there's the ESU (Extended Security Updates)
program for a year. Need I go on!? :-)
updates. They'll believe whatever pop-up notices M$ flash at them,
or if they ignore those then just keep running it until they find
software they want to install doesn't support it anymore (which M$
would like to happen immediately, but it usually doesn't).
Petzl wrote:
On 26 Oct 2025 07:54:47 +1000, not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd
Kev) wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:ÿ problem for people selling their used computers to others is security
Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:I expect most users won't know about update cycles and extended
It is verge collection this weekend in my mother's suburb. It is quite >>>>> wealthy area too, so I expected to see some PCs or laptops chucked out >>>>> that are no longer supported. But didn't find any at all.ÿÿ Little over 10 days is a bit short to buy a new system, transfer
your
old programs, data and settings and dump the old one.
ÿÿ And, they just got the October updates, so it's still up-to-date
till
the November cycle. And then there's the ESU (Extended Security
Updates)
program for a year. Need I go on!? :-)
updates. They'll believe whatever pop-up notices M$ flash at them,
or if they ignore those then just keep running it until they find
software they want to install doesn't support it anymore (which M$
would like to happen immediately, but it usually doesn't).
left on drive. I don't sell mine even as junk I remove drive.
all you need to do when selling a used PC is remove the drive. simplez!
or you can wipe it using a high level erase tool
Nope. I assumed that this was common knowledge in the Windows groups:
'Consumer ESU Enrollment' <https://github.com/Toysoft/ConsumerESU?tab=readme-ov-file>
I do not have a Microsoft Acccount, used this script and Windows
Update says I'm enrolled.
There is a rumor (no details) that this might not work anymore,
because Microsoft alledgedly closed some door on October 8.
It's the EU that gets the free updates without divesting their souls.
anyone else must sign their lives over to them, and hell will freeze
over before that happens here.
The github script method is worldwide and the script was made before Microsoft changed the rules for the EU.
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 09:58:47 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On 26 Oct 2025 07:54:47 +1000, not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd
Kev) wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:problem for people selling their used computers to others is security
Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:
It is verge collection this weekend in my mother's suburb. It is quite >>>>> wealthy area too, so I expected to see some PCs or laptops chucked out >>>>> that are no longer supported. But didn't find any at all.
Little over 10 days is a bit short to buy a new system, transfer your >>>> old programs, data and settings and dump the old one.
And, they just got the October updates, so it's still up-to-date till >>>> the November cycle. And then there's the ESU (Extended Security
Updates)
program for a year. Need I go on!? :-)
I expect most users won't know about update cycles and extended
updates. They'll believe whatever pop-up notices M$ flash at them,
or if they ignore those then just keep running it until they find
software they want to install doesn't support it anymore (which M$
would like to happen immediately, but it usually doesn't).
left on drive. I don't sell mine even as junk I remove drive.
More fool you given its so trivial to completely wipe a drive
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wroteOK Great Guru, how?
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote
problem for people selling their used computers to others is security >>>> left on drive. I don't sell mine even as junk I remove drive.It is verge collection this weekend in my mother's suburb. It is >>>>>>> quite
wealthy area too, so I expected to see some PCs or laptops chucked >>>>>>> out
that are no longer supported. But didn't find any at all.
Little over 10 days is a bit short to buy a new system, transfer >>>>>> your
old programs, data and settings and dump the old one.
And, they just got the October updates, so it's still up-to-date >>>>>> till
the November cycle. And then there's the ESU (Extended Security
Updates)
program for a year. Need I go on!? :-)
I expect most users won't know about update cycles and extended
updates. They'll believe whatever pop-up notices M$ flash at them,
or if they ignore those then just keep running it until they find
software they want to install doesn't support it anymore (which M$
would like to happen immediately, but it usually doesn't).
More fool you given its so trivial to completely wipe a drive
Yet much harder to confirm that this has been successful.
Bullshit
But the dongles are always missing.cipher /w:X:\ where "X" is the drive letter.
Where can I get "EnCase"?
Any dumpster
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 12:13:26 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 09:58:47 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
problem for people selling their used computers to others is security
left on drive. I don't sell mine even as junk I remove drive.
More fool you given its so trivial to completely wipe a drive
Yet much harder to confirm that this has been successful.
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 12:13:26 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 09:58:47 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
problem for people selling their used computers to others is security >>>> left on drive. I don't sell mine even as junk I remove drive.
More fool you given its so trivial to completely wipe a drive
Yet much harder to confirm that this has been successful.
If you wipe it with zeros (after wiping it with random data for
maximum security), that can be verified. You could also use a tool
like "strings" on Linux which will find any printable text left on
the drive, unless the data on the drive was encrypted or
compressed.
Of course if you use the drive's built-in erasure function there's
the chance it just lies and keeps the data intact while pretending
to be erased. If you're paranoid about that then just use a
open-source program like DBAN to write the zero/random data from
software, which the drive will just see as normal usage.
https://dban.org/
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 12:13:26 +1100, "Rod Speed"If you wipe it with zeros (after wiping it with random data for
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 09:58:47 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:Yet much harder to confirm that this has been successful.
problem for people selling their used computers to others is security >>>> left on drive. I don't sell mine even as junk I remove drive.More fool you given its so trivial to completely wipe a drive
maximum security), that can be verified. You could also use a tool
like "strings" on Linux which will find any printable text left on
the drive, unless the data on the drive was encrypted or
compressed.
Of course if you use the drive's built-in erasure function there's
the chance it just lies and keeps the data intact while pretending
to be erased. If you're paranoid about that then just use a
open-source program like DBAN to write the zero/random data from
software, which the drive will just see as normal usage.
https://dban.org/
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:security
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 12:13:26 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 09:58:47 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
problem for people selling their used computers to others is
left on drive. I don't sell mine even as junk I remove drive.
More fool you given its so trivial to completely wipe a drive
Yet much harder to confirm that this has been successful.
If you wipe it with zeros (after wiping it with random data for
maximum security), that can be verified. You could also use a tool
like "strings" on Linux which will find any printable text left on
the drive, unless the data on the drive was encrypted or
compressed.
Of course if you use the drive's built-in erasure function there's
the chance it just lies and keeps the data intact while pretending
to be erased. If you're paranoid about that then just use a
open-source program like DBAN to write the zero/random data from
software, which the drive will just see as normal usage.
https://dban.org/
I made a lot of money for my employer by writing software to erase data.
We certified that the data was completely gone, backed up by sending
test erased drives to OnTrack who tried to recover the original data and certified that it was impossible. The erasure was done to various NSA
specs, and was a total overkill, but the customers were paranoid about
data leakage, and were prepared to pay top dollar.
The customers were mainly big organisations, banks and government
It's probably obsolete now, These days the data is
encrypted before being saved to disk and decrypted on read. All you need
to do is to destroy the keys, and the data is as good as gone (the same
can be said for Bitlocker on Windows).
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote:
I made a lot of money for my employer by writing software to erase data.
We certified that the data was completely gone, backed up by sending
test erased drives to OnTrack who tried to recover the original data and
certified that it was impossible. The erasure was done to various NSA
specs, and was a total overkill, but the customers were paranoid about
data leakage, and were prepared to pay top dollar.
Should've given 'em to me. I could pull out the platters, stick
them in my furnace, and melt them into a lump of aluminium. Try
getting data back off that!
The customers were mainly big organisations, banks and government
It's probably obsolete now, These days the data is
encrypted before being saved to disk and decrypted on read. All you need
to do is to destroy the keys, and the data is as good as gone (the same
can be said for Bitlocker on Windows).
Ah, no. It's there waiting to be decrypted whenever the encryption
method used becomes vulnerable to new attacks or simply when much
faster (or quantum) computers arrive.
On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 11:34:45 +0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Nope. I assumed that this was common knowledge in the Windows groups:
I don't do windows unless desperate, but I have 2 business soft3ares that wont work under wine, so only boot the win10 laptop when I need them, or
to do updates, so if it sits on w10 for next 5 years wont mater, by time script kiddies find it, it'll likely being switched off already.
'Consumer ESU Enrollment' <https://github.com/Toysoft/ConsumerESU?tab=readme-ov-file>
I do not have a Microsoft Acccount, used this script and Windows
Update says I'm enrolled.
I have one, but I remove their spyware - aka onedrive, all my backups are held locally on a nfs/samba server, I dont get why tehyd offer free ESU
if you use one drive, apart from another way they can pervertly spy on
you, maybe the NSA conned them into that idea, dunno, dont care, I'm not falling into that hole :)
There is a rumor (no details) that this might not work anymore,
because Microsoft alledgedly closed some door on October 8.
It's the EU that gets the free updates without divesting their souls.
anyone else must sign their lives over to them, and hell will freeze
over before that happens here.
The github script method is worldwide and the script was made before Microsoft changed the rules for the EU.
might give it a go, on a vps image next week, unless someone else reports here first.
On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 11:27:13 +1100, Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 12:13:26 +1100, "Rod Speed"If you wipe it with zeros (after wiping it with random data for
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 09:58:47 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> ? problem for people selling their used computers to others isYet much harder to confirm that this has been successful.
securityMore fool you given its so trivial to completely wipe a drive
left on drive. I don't sell mine even as junk I remove drive.
maximum security), that can be verified. You could also use a tool
like "strings" on Linux which will find any printable text left on
the drive, unless the data on the drive was encrypted or
compressed.
Of course if you use the drive's built-in erasure function there's
the chance it just lies and keeps the data intact while pretending
to be erased. If you're paranoid about that then just use a
open-source program like DBAN to write the zero/random data from
software, which the drive will just see as normal usage.
an axe works well for erasing a drive :)
dban works a lot better and leaves the drive useable
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote:
I made a lot of money for my employer by writing software to erase data.Should've given 'em to me. I could pull out the platters, stick
We certified that the data was completely gone, backed up by sending
test erased drives to OnTrack who tried to recover the original data and
certified that it was impossible. The erasure was done to various NSA
specs, and was a total overkill, but the customers were paranoid about
data leakage, and were prepared to pay top dollar.
them in my furnace, and melt them into a lump of aluminium. Try
getting data back off that!
The customers were mainly big organisations, banks and governmentAh, no. It's there waiting to be decrypted whenever the encryption
It's probably obsolete now, These days the data is
encrypted before being saved to disk and decrypted on read. All you need
to do is to destroy the keys, and the data is as good as gone (the same
can be said for Bitlocker on Windows).
method used becomes vulnerable to new attacks or simply when much
faster (or quantum) computers arrive.
noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
I have one, but I remove their spyware - aka onedrive, all my backups
are held locally on a nfs/samba server, I dont get why tehyd offer free
ESU if you use one drive, apart from another way they can pervertly spy
on you, maybe the NSA conned them into that idea, dunno, dont care, I'm
not falling into that hole :)
I also make 'local' backups. But the general method to get free ESU
does *not* involve OneDrive. Yes, you must backup your settings and your
list of apps (not the apps) themselves, but that's backed up to your Microsoft Account, not to OneDrive.
The github script method is worldwide and the script was made
before
Microsoft changed the rules for the EU.
might give it a go, on a vps image next week, unless someone else
reports here first.
On 27/10/2025 12:55 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote:
I made a lot of money for my employer by writing software to erase data. >>> We certified that the data was completely gone, backed up by sending
test erased drives to OnTrack who tried to recover the original data and >>> certified that it was impossible. The erasure was done to various NSA
specs, and was a total overkill, but the customers were paranoid about
data leakage, and were prepared to pay top dollar.
Should've given 'em to me. I could pull out the platters, stick
them in my furnace, and melt them into a lump of aluminium. Try
getting data back off that!
People who have invested over $1M on a large state of the art storage
server usually want to recover some of the value when it replaced, be it
to re-purpose it or to sell it.
We aren't talking about some trivial little PC system here, we are
talking about machines with hundreds, if not thousands of drives, and
not your cheap drives either 10000rpm dual ported fibre channel or SAS drives, and they ain't cheap.
The customers were mainly big organisations, banks and government
It's probably obsolete now, These days the data is
encrypted before being saved to disk and decrypted on read. All you need >>> to do is to destroy the keys, and the data is as good as gone (the same
can be said for Bitlocker on Windows).
Ah, no. It's there waiting to be decrypted whenever the encryption
method used becomes vulnerable to new attacks or simply when much
faster (or quantum) computers arrive.
Elliptical curve encryption with a 4096 bit or greater key is, at the
moment at least, resistant to attack. Bitlocker keys run to 48 decimal digits, not uncrackable, but it would take a pretty determined effort to
do so. We'll cross the quantum bridge when somebody makes a practical machine. Even then, I don't expect such machines to become common in my lifetime.
On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 09:52:10 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2025 07:55:36 +1000, not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd
Kev) wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 12:13:26 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 09:58:47 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> problem for people selling their used computers to others is
security
left on drive. I don't sell mine even as junk I remove drive.
More fool you given its so trivial to completely wipe a drive
Yet much harder to confirm that this has been successful.
If you wipe it with zeros (after wiping it with random data for
maximum security), that can be verified. You could also use a tool
like "strings" on Linux which will find any printable text left on
the drive, unless the data on the drive was encrypted or
compressed.
Of course if you use the drive's built-in erasure function there's
the chance it just lies and keeps the data intact while pretending
to be erased. If you're paranoid about that then just use a
open-source program like DBAN to write the zero/random data from
software, which the drive will just see as normal usage.
https://dban.org/
I was concerned about the "Lost Files".
There arent any when the sectors are all filled with zeros
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 12:13:26 +1100, "Rod Speed"If you wipe it with zeros (after wiping it with random data for
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 09:58:47 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:Yet much harder to confirm that this has been successful.
problem for people selling their used computers to others is security >>>>> left on drive. I don't sell mine even as junk I remove drive.More fool you given its so trivial to completely wipe a drive
maximum security), that can be verified. You could also use a tool
like "strings" on Linux which will find any printable text left on
the drive, unless the data on the drive was encrypted or
compressed.
Of course if you use the drive's built-in erasure function there's
the chance it just lies and keeps the data intact while pretending
to be erased. If you're paranoid about that then just use a
open-source program like DBAN to write the zero/random data from
software, which the drive will just see as normal usage.
https://dban.org/
an axe works well for erasing a drive :)
On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 11:27:13 +1100, Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Aye, and one gets to keep the little magnets, so useful at work for
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:an axe works well for erasing a drive :)
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 12:13:26 +1100, "Rod Speed"If you wipe it with zeros (after wiping it with random data for
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 09:58:47 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> problem for people selling their used computers to others is security >>>>>> left on drive. I don't sell mine even as junk I remove drive.Yet much harder to confirm that this has been successful.
More fool you given its so trivial to completely wipe a drive
maximum security), that can be verified. You could also use a tool
like "strings" on Linux which will find any printable text left on
the drive, unless the data on the drive was encrypted or
compressed.
Of course if you use the drive's built-in erasure function there's
the chance it just lies and keeps the data intact while pretending
to be erased. If you're paranoid about that then just use a
open-source program like DBAN to write the zero/random data from
software, which the drive will just see as normal usage.
https://dban.org/
metal notice boards.
| Sysop: | Jacob Catayoc |
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| Location: | Pasay City, Metro Manila, Philippines |
| Users: | 5 |
| Nodes: | 4 (0 / 4) |
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