HELP........updates
Using LM 21.3 for about a year on all my hardware.
Not getting an invite from Update Manger to upgrade to
LM 22.x
Do I need to do the systemd=yes thing, or switch to
wayland or something to upgrade ????
Could download an iso and install from there, but
it takes alot more effort starting from scratch, and
moving all user files onto a new install.
cheers greybeard.
On 12/15/25 4:52 PM, greybeard wrote:
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4732
HELP........updates
Using LM 21.3 for about a year on all my hardware.
Not getting an invite from Update Manger to upgrade to
LM 22.x
Do I need to do the systemd=yes thing, or switch to
wayland or something to upgrade ????
Could download an iso and install from there, but
it takes alot more effort starting from scratch, and
moving all user files onto a new install.
cheers greybeard.
There is a link in the blog.
˙ https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/upgrade-to- mint-22.html
On 16/12/25 11:30, Alan K. wrote:
On 12/15/25 4:52 PM, greybeard wrote:
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4732
HELP........updates
Using LM 21.3 for about a year on all my hardware.
Not getting an invite from Update Manger to upgrade to
LM 22.x
Do I need to do the systemd=yes thing, or switch to
wayland or something to upgrade ????
Could download an iso and install from there, but
it takes alot more effort starting from scratch, and
moving all user files onto a new install.
cheers greybeard.
There is a link in the blog.
˙˙ https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/upgrade-to- mint-22.html
Doh!
Thanks, something to do over the Xmas holidays. -:)
On Mon, 12/15/2025 6:54 PM, greybeard wrote:
On 16/12/25 11:30, Alan K. wrote:
On 12/15/25 4:52 PM, greybeard wrote:
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4732
HELP........updates
Using LM 21.3 for about a year on all my hardware.
Not getting an invite from Update Manger to upgrade to
LM 22.x
Do I need to do the systemd=yes thing, or switch to
wayland or something to upgrade ????
Could download an iso and install from there, but
it takes alot more effort starting from scratch, and
moving all user files onto a new install.
cheers greybeard.
There is a link in the blog.
˙˙ https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/upgrade-to- mint-22.html
Doh!
Thanks, something to do over the Xmas holidays. -:)
Don't forget your imaging-style backup before you begin.
To do an inplace upgrade, requires backing out custom
stuff that would block proper execution of the thing.
For example, on one occasion, I might have had to remove
a Google Earth PPA (used by the OS itself, I didn't do that!)
and then try again. You could uninstall Google Earth from
Synaptic, say. Then look at the Repository definition
and remove the Google Earth PPA. Same can go with video drivers.
Like, you might want to go back to whatever the OS
started with (some start with Nouveau for an NVidia card).
This can be rather hard to figure out, after you've used
Driver Manager a few times to modify it.
The OS has to be "updated to current". In other words,
the package management requires "high integrity". It
does not suffer fools. You finish updating the OS, so no
new packages are coming in, make your backup
of the relatively clean machine, *then* push the button.
By following a few rules like that, why, you can
even get these to run correctly on the first try! :-)
It isn't AI powered, quite yet.
Paul
Don't forget your imaging-style backup before you begin.
On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 00:41:03 -0500, Paul wrote:
Don't forget your imaging-style backup before you begin.
?Imaging-style? backups are a Windows thing.
Thanks. Been using LM since 2005? (post Win XP & Win8.? (laptop) )
so I've been through several iterations of inplace upgrades and
new installs from iso. New hardware every few years and moving
user files/data onto the new hardware, including from the win boxes.
( Email from win to linux was the hard part for a newbie )
I should be OK with this.
Q. Are systemd and wayland implemented on LM22 ?
I've heard rumors that wayland is underwhelming.
I could delay upgrading while LM 21 is still maintained for
a while and hope that wayland gets some attention.
Any thoughts on this??
˙˙˙˙greybeard
It's XWayland, so "xeyes" still works.
I'm not going to sit there biting my nails to the quick writing rsync commands ...
On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 00:41:03 -0500, Paul wrote:
Don't forget your imaging-style backup before you begin.
?Imaging-style? backups are a Windows thing.
On 2025-12-17 02:30, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 00:41:03 -0500, Paul wrote:
Don't forget your imaging-style backup before you begin.
?Imaging-style? backups are a Windows thing.
Absolutely not. Use Clonezilla to have the option of a bare metal
restore if your disk goes south.
On Tue, 12/16/2025 8:30 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 00:41:03 -0500, Paul wrote:
Don't forget your imaging-style backup before you begin.
?Imaging-style? backups are a Windows thing.
You don't understand, Timmy.
I want to set the restore running, go out in the kitchen,
make coffee, and when I come back, Like Dorothy, we're
back in Kansas with our little dog Toto. No messing around.
I'm not going to sit there biting my nails to the
quick writing rsync commands, or using the NCurses
interface on some tool, or wondering what settings
were or were not backed up in any pseudo backup tool.
For a pseudo backup tool, I must know precisely what
it is doing, and I don't know those details. It is
hard to trust a thing when you don't know which bits
it has covered for you.
I want convenience, not hair loss.
Thus, the imaging suggestion.
The entire disk is recorded in one file. The software
takes the one file and puts it all back. I don't have
to worry about a thing. There are no half measures
in the method I use.
On 2025-12-17 02:30, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 00:41:03 -0500, Paul wrote:
Don't forget your imaging-style backup before you begin.
?Imaging-style? backups are a Windows thing.
Absolutely not. Use Clonezilla to have the option of a bare metal
restore if your disk goes south.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 11:36:38 +0100, jjb wrote:
On 2025-12-17 02:30, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 00:41:03 -0500, Paul wrote:
Don't forget your imaging-style backup before you begin.
?Imaging-style? backups are a Windows thing.
Absolutely not. Use Clonezilla to have the option of a bare metal
restore if your disk goes south.
No need. File-level copies give you much more flexibility.
On 2025-12-18 00:10, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 11:36:38 +0100, jjb wrote:
On 2025-12-17 02:30, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 00:41:03 -0500, Paul wrote:
Don't forget your imaging-style backup before you begin.
?Imaging-style? backups are a Windows thing.
Absolutely not. Use Clonezilla to have the option of a bare metal
restore if your disk goes south.
No need. File-level copies give you much more flexibility.
You can (should?) do both.
On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 17:54:53 +0100, jjb wrote:
On 2025-12-18 00:10, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 11:36:38 +0100, jjb wrote:
On 2025-12-17 02:30, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 00:41:03 -0500, Paul wrote:
Don't forget your imaging-style backup before you begin.
?Imaging-style? backups are a Windows thing.
Absolutely not. Use Clonezilla to have the option of a bare metal
restore if your disk goes south.
No need. File-level copies give you much more flexibility.
You can (should?) do both.
Never bothered with image copies. The files are the important thing.
On Thu, 12/18/2025 7:49 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
While updating Devuan, it was only taking 1 minute 30 seconds to make
Never bothered with image copies. The files are the important thing.
safety copies of the disk. It's pretty easy to do. They're compressed
to save space.
On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 22:58:05 -0500, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 12/18/2025 7:49 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
While updating Devuan, it was only taking 1 minute 30 seconds to make
Never bothered with image copies. The files are the important thing.
safety copies of the disk. It's pretty easy to do. They're compressed
to save space.
Wonderful. So how do you do selective restores?
On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 22:58:05 -0500, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 12/18/2025 7:49 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
While updating Devuan, it was only taking 1 minute 30 seconds to make safety copies of the disk. It's pretty easy to do. They're compressed
Never bothered with image copies. The files are the important thing.
to save space.
Wonderful. So how do you do selective restores?
On Fri, 12/19/2025 12:57 AM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
I don't need that in this case.
On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 22:58:05 -0500, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 12/18/2025 7:49 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
While updating Devuan, it was only taking 1 minute 30 seconds to
Never bothered with image copies. The files are the important
thing.
make safety copies of the disk. It's pretty easy to do. They're
compressed to save space.
Wonderful. So how do you do selective restores?
These are not archival backups, they are "all or nothing safety
backups".
At Fri, 19 Dec 2025 05:57:08 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 22:58:05 -0500, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 12/18/2025 7:49 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
While updating Devuan, it was only taking 1 minute 30 seconds to make
Never bothered with image copies. The files are the important thing.
safety copies of the disk. It's pretty easy to do. They're compressed
to save space.
Wonderful. So how do you do selective restores?
Is it a trick question?
Mount the image file as a loopback device (with a possible
offset to the partition within the image), and then use rsync.
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