• Any XFCE users here?

    From Edmund@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 08:53:11
    Any XFCE users here?
    Hi guys, after using XFCE for years, some things are starting to annoy
    me a little too much.
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the
    settings. We all know our cut@paste coders never fix any bugs so I
    thinking of trying another DE.
    AI tells me Mate should be more reliable , for whatever that is worth :-)
    Then I read more about that wayland stuff, which is not coming to mint
    anytime soon and I wonder advantages it brings in real life.

    Do you XFCE users have the same HDMI problem or is it my not really
    supported Nvidia card?
    Do Mate users have this problem too?




    --
    Once an organization gains any influence, it will be corrupted from both within and without.

    Edmund


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From german usenet@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 11:15:19
    Le 04/06/2026 … 08:53, Edmund a ‚crit˙:
    Any XFCE users here?
    Hi guys, after using XFCE for years, some things are starting to annoy
    me a little too much.
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the settings. We all know our cut@paste coders never fix any bugs so I
    thinking of trying another DE.
    AI tells me Mate should be more reliable , for whatever that is worth ?
    Then I read more about that wayland stuff, which is not coming to mint anytime soon and I wonder advantages it brings in real life.

    Do you XFCE users have the same HDMI problem or is it my not really supported Nvidia card?
    Do Mate users have this problem too?

    u must pay ten $ for a answer.



    --
    Amicalement,

    german

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From TheLastSysop@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 12:13:19
    On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 08:53:11 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Any XFCE users here?
    Hi guys, after using XFCE for years, some things are starting to annoy
    me a little too much.
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the >settings. We all know our cut@paste coders never fix any bugs so I
    thinking of trying another DE.
    AI tells me Mate should be more reliable , for whatever that is worth :-) >Then I read more about that wayland stuff, which is not coming to mint >anytime soon and I wonder advantages it brings in real life.

    Do you XFCE users have the same HDMI problem or is it my not really
    supported Nvidia card?
    Do Mate users have this problem too?

    I would treat it first as an Xorg/Nvidia/display-detection problem, not as proof
    that XFCE itself is broken. MATE may remember a layout differently, but if the monitor is being detected in a different order, or the Nvidia driver is losing the EDID on wake/login, a different desktop can inherit the same mess.

    A practical workaround is to make the layout explicit with xrandr. Once the screens are arranged the way you want, note the connector names with:

    xrandr --query

    Then either use arandr to save a small xrandr script, or write one yourself and put it in XFCE's Session and Startup -> Application Autostart. For example:

    xrandr --output HDMI-0 --mode 1920x1080 --primary \
    --output DP-0 --mode 1920x1080 --right-of HDMI-0

    Use your real output names and modes, of course.

    Also check whether XFCE is saving odd old display profiles in:

    ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml

    Renaming that file while logged out, then logging back in and setting the layout
    again, is a safe test.

    Wayland would not be my first fix for this on Mint with Nvidia. The boring Xorg/xrandr approach is usually easier to diagnose and easier to make repeatable.

    --
    TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null>
    "I survived the great rm -rf / rehearsal and all I got was this .signature."

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From german usenet@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 15:27:29
    Le 04/06/2026 … 14:13, TheLastSysop a ‚crit :
    I would treat it first as an Xorg/Nvidia/display-detection problem,
    not as proof that XFCE itself is broken. MATE may remember a layout differently, but if the monitor is being detected in a different
    order, or the Nvidia driver is losing the EDID on wake/ login, a
    different desktop can inherit the same mess.

    A practical workaround is to make the layout explicit with xrandr.
    Once the screens are arranged the way you want, note the connector
    names with:

    xrandr --query

    Then either use arandr to save a small xrandr script, or write one
    yourself and put it in XFCE's Session and Startup -> Application
    Autostart. For example:

    xrandr --output HDMI-0 --mode 1920x1080 --primary \ --output DP-0 --
    mode 1920x1080 --right-of HDMI-0

    Use your real output names and modes, of course.

    Also check whether XFCE is saving odd old display profiles in:

    ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml

    Renaming that file while logged out, then logging back in and
    setting the layout again, is a safe test.

    Wayland would not be my first fix for this on Mint with Nvidia. The
    boring Xorg/xrandr approach is usually easier to diagnose and easier
    to make repeatable.

    may be we can know what it is the graphic card ? the CPU...usually a
    CPU have minimum 3 graphic's ways.

    how many screen u want to use ?

    --
    Amicalement,

    german

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From german usenet@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 15:28:29
    Le 04/06/2026 … 15:27, german usenet a ‚crit˙:
    Le 04/06/2026 … 14:13, TheLastSysop a ‚crit :
    I would treat it first as an Xorg/Nvidia/display-detection problem,
    not as proof that XFCE itself is broken.˙ MATE may remember a layout
    differently, but if the monitor is being detected in a different
    order, or the Nvidia driver is losing the EDID on wake/ login, a
    different desktop can inherit the same mess.

    A practical workaround is to make the layout explicit with xrandr.
    Once the screens are arranged the way you want, note the connector
    names with:

    xrandr --query

    Then either use arandr to save a small xrandr script, or write one
    yourself and put it in XFCE's Session and Startup -> Application
    Autostart.˙ For example:

    xrandr --output HDMI-0 --mode 1920x1080 --primary \ --output DP-0 --
    mode 1920x1080 --right-of HDMI-0

    Use your real output names and modes, of course.

    Also check whether XFCE is saving odd old display profiles in:

    ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml

    Renaming that file while logged out, then logging back in and setting
    the layout again, is a safe test.

    Wayland would not be my first fix for this on Mint with Nvidia. The
    boring Xorg/xrandr approach is usually easier to diagnose and easier
    to make repeatable.

    may be we can know what it is the graphic card ? the CPU...usually a
    CPU have minimum 3 graphic's ways.

    how many screen u want to use ?


    it 's free this question !

    --
    Amicalement,

    german

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Edmund@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 16:12:42
    On 6/4/26 2:13 PM, TheLastSysop wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 08:53:11 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Any XFCE users here?
    Hi guys, after using XFCE for years, some things are starting to annoy
    me a little too much.
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the
    settings. We all know our cut@paste coders never fix any bugs so I
    thinking of trying another DE.
    AI tells me Mate should be more reliable , for whatever that is worth :-)
    Then I read more about that wayland stuff, which is not coming to mint
    anytime soon and I wonder advantages it brings in real life.

    Do you XFCE users have the same HDMI problem or is it my not really
    supported Nvidia card?
    Do Mate users have this problem too?

    I would treat it first as an Xorg/Nvidia/display-detection problem, not as proof
    that XFCE itself is broken. MATE may remember a layout differently, but if the
    monitor is being detected in a different order, or the Nvidia driver is losing
    the EDID on wake/login, a different desktop can inherit the same mess.

    A practical workaround is to make the layout explicit with xrandr. Once the screens are arranged the way you want, note the connector names with:

    xrandr --query

    Then either use arandr to save a small xrandr script, or write one yourself and
    put it in XFCE's Session and Startup -> Application Autostart. For example:

    xrandr --output HDMI-0 --mode 1920x1080 --primary \
    --output DP-0 --mode 1920x1080 --right-of HDMI-0

    Use your real output names and modes, of course.

    Also check whether XFCE is saving odd old display profiles in:

    ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml

    Renaming that file while logged out, then logging back in and setting the layout
    again, is a safe test.

    Wayland would not be my first fix for this on Mint with Nvidia. The boring Xorg/xrandr approach is usually easier to diagnose and easier to make repeatable.

    Thanks I will look at it, although last time I looked at xrandr it
    mentioned incompatibility problems.
    To complicate it a bit more, as long as i do not have a 4K desktop
    monitor, I need to change resolutions every now and then.

    --
    Once an organization gains any influence, it will be corrupted from both within and without.

    Edmund

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From german usenet@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 16:40:57
    Le 04/06/2026 … 16:12, Edmund a ‚crit˙:
    Once an organization gains any influence, it will be corrupted from both within and without.

    if xrand say that...hum...

    so, we can NOT to know what it is the graphic card ? what sort of output
    you have ???

    hum...

    10$ is a offert !

    --
    Amicalement,

    german

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From german usenet@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 16:42:01
    Le 04/06/2026 … 16:12, Edmund a ‚crit˙:
    On 6/4/26 2:13 PM, TheLastSysop wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 08:53:11 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Any XFCE users here?
    Hi guys, after using XFCE for years, some things are starting to annoy
    me a little too much.
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the
    settings. We all know our cut@paste coders never fix any bugs so I
    thinking of trying another DE.
    AI tells me Mate should be more reliable , for whatever that is
    worth :-)
    Then I read more about that wayland stuff, which is not coming to mint
    anytime soon and I wonder advantages it brings in real life.

    Do you XFCE users have the same HDMI problem or is it my not really
    supported Nvidia card?
    Do Mate users have this problem too?

    I would treat it first as an Xorg/Nvidia/display-detection problem,
    not as proof
    that XFCE itself is broken.˙ MATE may remember a layout differently,
    but if the
    monitor is being detected in a different order, or the Nvidia driver
    is losing
    the EDID on wake/login, a different desktop can inherit the same mess.

    A practical workaround is to make the layout explicit with xrandr.
    Once the
    screens are arranged the way you want, note the connector names with:

    ˙˙˙˙ xrandr --query

    Then either use arandr to save a small xrandr script, or write one
    yourself and
    put it in XFCE's Session and Startup -> Application Autostart.˙ For
    example:

    ˙˙˙˙ xrandr --output HDMI-0 --mode 1920x1080 --primary \
    ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ --output DP-0 --mode 1920x1080 --right-of HDMI-0

    Use your real output names and modes, of course.

    Also check whether XFCE is saving odd old display profiles in:

    ˙˙˙˙ ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml

    Renaming that file while logged out, then logging back in and setting
    the layout
    again, is a safe test.

    Wayland would not be my first fix for this on Mint with Nvidia.˙ The
    boring
    Xorg/xrandr approach is usually easier to diagnose and easier to make
    repeatable.

    Thanks I will look at it, although last time I looked at xrandr it
    mentioned incompatibility problems.
    To complicate it a bit more, as long as i do not have a 4K desktop
    monitor, I need to change resolutions every now and then.


    linux is free !

    but, the help desk...you must pay a few !!!

    --
    Amicalement,

    german

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 12:46:36
    On Thu, 6/4/2026 5:15 AM, german usenet wrote:
    Le 04/06/2026 … 08:53, Edmund a ‚crit˙:
    Any XFCE users here?
    Hi guys, after using XFCE for years, some things are starting to annoy me a little too much.
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the
    settings. We all know our cut@paste coders never fix any bugs so I thinking of trying another DE.
    AI tells me Mate should be more reliable , for whatever that is worth ?
    Then I read more about that wayland stuff, which is not coming to mint anytime soon and I wonder advantages it brings in real life.

    Do you XFCE users have the same HDMI problem or is it my not really supported Nvidia card?
    Do Mate users have this problem too?

    u must pay ten $ for a answer.

    $$$$$$$$$$

    Wayland doesn't have any advantages, really.
    I tried to benchmark it a while back, and it
    seemed to be half the speed of X11, but the benchmark
    I used was not really good.

    Think of it, in the sense of PulseAudio versus ALSA. Did
    PulseAudio add anything of value for users ? Just more problems
    and the usage of utilities to try to solve "intermediate layer"
    problems. It's about as convenient as a kick in the nuts.

    The answer remains the same. Speculative AI statements must be
    tested. We test the usual way. A separate setup is recommended.
    For example, some of the tests I run, I do them in a VM, then
    roll back the container when all is said and done.

    Linux uses a layered model. Nobody wants to write an excess of
    custom code. An exception that comes to mind, is file managers.
    We have at least five or six of them. They all seem to look the
    same. The more obscure ones are half baked (like they can't catch
    up or the dev doesn't have time to work on it, which is understandable).

    The randr and xrandr utilities are examples of intermediate layer
    utilities for monitor manipulation. A display control panel, could be some Python code calling these routines or the lib that supports these
    routines. No sane developer who seeks to make a Display control panel,
    wants to re-write the logic in those, as it is bound to contain
    hidden quirks. And all you would be doing, is "copying someone elses
    code" if you were re-writing it. I don't see a reason to assume
    you can run away from these "bugs" in this way.

    Multi-monitor, considered across ecosystems, has never worked well.
    And if the bug reporting coming from the percentage of multi-monitor
    people isn't that great, then stuff is not going to get fixed all
    that quickly.

    *******

    You can see in the Graphics Cards & Monitors section, SMG walks people
    through various ideas. Alan sometimes posts his problems in the Mint Forums,
    as well as posting here. That is one place you could look for more help.

    "Graphics Cards & Monitors"

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewforum.php?f=59

    Paul

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From german usenet@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 18:53:04
    i juste imagine a graphic card with 3 or 4 output hdmi...

    and a guy without more money, so he have 3 screen with
    each a different output...and...and...if he use a
    adaptator hdmi to output...so the OS is saying no, i don't
    know now who is the one !

    so, 10$ is good price for me !!!

    --
    Amicalement,

    german

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Edmund@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 20:22:07
    On 6/4/26 6:46 PM, Paul wrote:
    On Thu, 6/4/2026 5:15 AM, german usenet wrote:
    Le 04/06/2026 … 08:53, Edmund a ‚crit˙:
    Any XFCE users here?
    Hi guys, after using XFCE for years, some things are starting to annoy me a little too much.
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the
    settings. We all know our cut@paste coders never fix any bugs so I thinking of trying another DE.
    AI tells me Mate should be more reliable , for whatever that is worth ?
    Then I read more about that wayland stuff, which is not coming to mint anytime soon and I wonder advantages it brings in real life.

    Do you XFCE users have the same HDMI problem or is it my not really supported Nvidia card?
    Do Mate users have this problem too?

    u must pay ten $ for a answer.

    $$$$$$$$$$

    Wayland doesn't have any advantages, really.
    I tried to benchmark it a while back, and it
    seemed to be half the speed of X11, but the benchmark
    I used was not really good.

    Think of it, in the sense of PulseAudio versus ALSA. Did
    PulseAudio add anything of value for users ? Just more problems
    and the usage of utilities to try to solve "intermediate layer"
    problems. It's about as convenient as a kick in the nuts.

    The answer remains the same. Speculative AI statements must be
    tested. We test the usual way. A separate setup is recommended.
    For example, some of the tests I run, I do them in a VM, then
    roll back the container when all is said and done.

    Linux uses a layered model. Nobody wants to write an excess of
    custom code. An exception that comes to mind, is file managers.
    We have at least five or six of them. They all seem to look the
    same. The more obscure ones are half baked (like they can't catch
    up or the dev doesn't have time to work on it, which is understandable).

    The randr and xrandr utilities are examples of intermediate layer
    utilities for monitor manipulation. A display control panel, could be some Python code calling these routines or the lib that supports these
    routines. No sane developer who seeks to make a Display control panel,
    wants to re-write the logic in those, as it is bound to contain
    hidden quirks. And all you would be doing, is "copying someone elses
    code" if you were re-writing it. I don't see a reason to assume
    you can run away from these "bugs" in this way.

    Multi-monitor, considered across ecosystems, has never worked well.
    And if the bug reporting coming from the percentage of multi-monitor
    people isn't that great, then stuff is not going to get fixed all
    that quickly.

    *******

    You can see in the Graphics Cards & Monitors section, SMG walks people through various ideas. Alan sometimes posts his problems in the Mint Forums, as well as posting here. That is one place you could look for more help.

    "Graphics Cards & Monitors"

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewforum.php?f=59

    Paul
    Thanks Paul.
    I just ordered a 4k monitor hoping that all monitors at 4k will keep the settings.
    If the next release comes I think I try Mate anyway.





    --
    Once an organization gains any influence, it will be corrupted from both within and without.

    Edmund

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 15:45:28
    On Thu, 6/4/2026 2:22 PM, Edmund wrote:

    Thanks Paul.
    I just ordered a 4k monitor hoping that all monitors at 4k will keep the settings.
    If the next release comes I think I try Mate anyway.

    There is a good chance you will need to adjust the DPI setting
    when you do that. If you already had one 4K monitor, you
    might well have already done this.

    Mine is set to 200%, and I've also been using 200% within VirtualBox.
    That's because my 4K monitor is a 27". They claim that 32" is
    a better choice, but I can't see it making that much difference.
    When I bought that monitor, most of the monitors in the store
    were "display items", so if you bought them, they take the
    powered monitor on display and put it back in the box and tape it up.

    Just now, I saw a 50" monitor for sale, 4K, for about $1200 or
    so, and for that, you won't need to adjust the DPI :-) Now that
    my table is 56" wide, I could fit it on the table :-) I actually
    made my table wider, to make room for the 27" monitor. I did that
    without taking the table down to the workshop and it was an epic
    project (I was driving screws while laying on my back). It
    took me a week to figure out how to take warped pieces of
    board and get an arrow-straight surface out of them. So now it
    is 56" x 48" deep. I've removed the dead Agfa Arcus II scanner out of the
    way, and now the back of my table has room again. That's the kind
    of prep that goes into slightly-larger monitor acquisition.

    I even needed to adjust my monitor stand (it's a pile of 16"x16" plywood,
    all bolted together and it gives the monitor legs some support).
    At one point, I was going to use the VESA mounting plate area on the
    back of the monitor, and fix the monitor to the "ballast" of the
    monitor stand, but the wiggly monitor is just fine on its skinny
    tri-legs. The table does not need much of a shake, to make the monitor
    wiggle a tiny bit.

    Other tricks you can do with VESA plate screwholes, is you can run a strip
    of metal between monitors, to make the two of them stiffer and less
    shaking when the table receives an impulse.

    Being a cheapskate, I've never put a monitor on a mounting arm. I'd
    much rather make my own solution.

    The monitor stand started, when I got a Trinitron CRT, and that is
    why there has been a stand there for some time. I've added and
    rearranged the wood in the stack a few times, as need arises.
    The LCD monitors don't need that much of a stand, but it was
    designed to help with the Trinitron (which was quite heavy).

    Quite a bit of planning can go into your setup, when a new
    monitor comes into the house.

    Paul

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Edmund@3:633/10 to All on Friday, June 05, 2026 10:16:30
    On 6/4/26 11:01 PM, George wrote:
    On 04/06/2026 07:53, Edmund wrote:
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the
    settings.


    Could you tell us the make and model of your docking station?

    Sure, none



    When
    people use multiple displays, they must be using some kind of docking station.

    You also need to tell us whether it is a USB 3.0/3.1 or USB-C version in order to connect your device.In my opinion, these docking stations
    rarely work in a Linux environment, but I have found one that works reasonably well: the Dell Universal Dock D6000. They also provide a
    driver for Windows to use all the features, but nothing for Ubuntu. I
    use one of these on my Linux Mint laptop to connect an external monitor, keyboard and mouse, as the internal connections on the laptop are broken
    due to summer heat and the heat generated by the machine itself. The
    laptop is quite old, but I have decided to continue using it until I buy another refurbished laptop when the price is right, as I spent a few bob upgrading the SSD and memory on it.








    --
    Once an organization gains any influence, it will be corrupted from both within and without.

    Edmund

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From RonB@3:633/10 to All on Friday, June 05, 2026 09:34:07
    On 2026-06-04, german usenet <usualsuspectrider@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 04/06/2026 … 08:53, Edmund a ‚crit˙:
    Any XFCE users here?
    Hi guys, after using XFCE for years, some things are starting to annoy
    me a little too much.
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the
    settings. We all know our cut@paste coders never fix any bugs so I
    thinking of trying another DE.
    AI tells me Mate should be more reliable , for whatever that is worth ?
    Then I read more about that wayland stuff, which is not coming to mint
    anytime soon and I wonder advantages it brings in real life.

    Do you XFCE users have the same HDMI problem or is it my not really
    supported Nvidia card?
    Do Mate users have this problem too?

    u must pay ten $ for a answer.

    I've got it installed, along with Mate and Cinnamon, but I mostly use
    Cinnamon now. It used to mostly be Mate. I used Xfce regularly about 19
    years ago on Vector Linux.

    --
    Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Zionists are Jews. Zionism ? Judaism.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Friday, June 05, 2026 08:49:21
    On Fri, 6/5/2026 4:16 AM, Edmund wrote:
    On 6/4/26 11:01 PM, George wrote:
    On 04/06/2026 07:53, Edmund wrote:
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the
    settings.


    Could you tell us the make and model of your docking station?

    Sure, none

    Two of the environments here were already installed.
    I added two more, for a total of four. SSD#11 is
    my Secure Boot collection, so that's what these were
    doing originally. And as I move from distro to distro,
    every distro throws different Secure Boot problems at you :-)
    It's fun for a change, to ignore the messages during boot.

    [Picture] TheBigPicture.gif

    https://postimg.cc/XZCpYFzc

    https://imgur.com/a/EpPELsh

    The difference between LMDE7 at the top and Linux Mint Cinnamon
    below it, is the top one uses Nouveau, the next one uses NVidia driver
    (because Cinnamon DE has Driver Manager and LMDE7 does not).

    The LMDE7 does something weird to the screen, when
    you attempt to alter the settings on the 4K monitor.
    The scaling control is also grayed out.

    The Cinnamon (second item) is in fact, the best "compromise"
    environment, in terms of usability. It's not designed to annoy
    you, particularly. It takes effort to do that. Just as
    XFCE sets out to annoy you (because I believe it may be
    derived from Gnome). The Display panel works well enough,
    you might be able to actually use the machine.

    *******

    The third item down, XFCE, the panel behavior is mostly excellent.
    Slap the two monitor icons together, slide them around, and you're
    done when arranging screen relationships. You don't get multiple
    afterimages, and the inability to select an icon in the screen
    arrangement window is not there. This is good. Someone actually
    tested this, I can tell.

    But trying to use XFCE, like mount a disk and not have the
    disk icon sitting on the desktop, that is annoying as hell.
    Being "forced" to use the File Manager all the time
    is patronizing pedantry. I get that same feeling when
    trotting around inside Fedora 44.

    The MATE at the bottom, well, it took me around ten minutes
    to get that Display panel to look like it does in the picture.
    That does not hint at the misery I went through at all. You know
    that machine at the fair, it has a crane with jaws on the
    end, and you try to grab a prize and send it down the chute ?
    That's what that bloody Display panel is like.

    When the various panels offer "scaling", they don't all
    define it the same way. On some, the setting of 200% causes
    the 4K screen to change to 1920x1080. Whereas on others,
    the setting makes for a 7000+ pixel result (magnify
    rather than scale). Some scale buttons are grayed out.
    And some work (but you'd rather they hadn't). In general,
    the scaling function is a-swing-and-a-miss. Just ignore it.

    Paul



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Edmund@3:633/10 to All on Friday, June 05, 2026 15:09:09
    On 6/5/26 2:49 PM, Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 6/5/2026 4:16 AM, Edmund wrote:
    On 6/4/26 11:01 PM, George wrote:
    On 04/06/2026 07:53, Edmund wrote:
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the
    settings.


    Could you tell us the make and model of your docking station?

    Sure, none

    Two of the environments here were already installed.
    I added two more, for a total of four. SSD#11 is
    my Secure Boot collection, so that's what these were
    doing originally. And as I move from distro to distro,
    every distro throws different Secure Boot problems at you :-)
    It's fun for a change, to ignore the messages during boot.

    [Picture] TheBigPicture.gif

    https://postimg.cc/XZCpYFzc

    https://imgur.com/a/EpPELsh

    The difference between LMDE7 at the top and Linux Mint Cinnamon
    below it, is the top one uses Nouveau, the next one uses NVidia driver (because Cinnamon DE has Driver Manager and LMDE7 does not).

    The LMDE7 does something weird to the screen, when
    you attempt to alter the settings on the 4K monitor.
    The scaling control is also grayed out.

    The Cinnamon (second item) is in fact, the best "compromise"
    environment, in terms of usability. It's not designed to annoy
    you, particularly. It takes effort to do that. Just as
    XFCE sets out to annoy you (because I believe it may be
    derived from Gnome). The Display panel works well enough,
    you might be able to actually use the machine.

    *******

    The third item down, XFCE, the panel behavior is mostly excellent.
    Slap the two monitor icons together, slide them around, and you're
    done when arranging screen relationships. You don't get multiple
    afterimages, and the inability to select an icon in the screen
    arrangement window is not there. This is good. Someone actually
    tested this, I can tell.

    But trying to use XFCE, like mount a disk and not have the
    disk icon sitting on the desktop, that is annoying as hell.
    Being "forced" to use the File Manager all the time
    is patronizing pedantry. I get that same feeling when
    trotting around inside Fedora 44.

    The MATE at the bottom, well, it took me around ten minutes
    to get that Display panel to look like it does in the picture.
    That does not hint at the misery I went through at all. You know
    that machine at the fair, it has a crane with jaws on the
    end, and you try to grab a prize and send it down the chute ?
    That's what that bloody Display panel is like.

    When the various panels offer "scaling", they don't all
    define it the same way. On some, the setting of 200% causes
    the 4K screen to change to 1920x1080. Whereas on others,
    the setting makes for a 7000+ pixel result (magnify
    rather than scale). Some scale buttons are grayed out.
    And some work (but you'd rather they hadn't). In general,
    the scaling function is a-swing-and-a-miss. Just ignore it.

    Paul

    You do a lot of work.
    I let you know how it goes once I have my monitor.






    --
    Once an organization gains any influence, it will be corrupted from both within and without.

    Edmund

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From TheLastSysop@3:633/10 to All on Friday, June 05, 2026 13:09:22
    On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 10:16:30 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/4/26 11:01 PM, George wrote:
    On 04/06/2026 07:53, Edmund wrote:
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the
    settings.


    Could you tell us the make and model of your docking station?

    Sure, none



    When
    people use multiple displays, they must be using some kind of docking
    station.

    You also need to tell us whether it is a USB 3.0/3.1 or USB-C version in
    order to connect your device.In my opinion, these docking stations
    rarely work in a Linux environment, but I have found one that works
    reasonably well: the Dell Universal Dock D6000. They also provide a
    driver for Windows to use all the features, but nothing for Ubuntu. I
    use one of these on my Linux Mint laptop to connect an external monitor,
    keyboard and mouse, as the internal connections on the laptop are broken
    due to summer heat and the heat generated by the machine itself. The
    laptop is quite old, but I have decided to continue using it until I buy
    another refurbished laptop when the price is right, as I spent a few bob
    upgrading the SSD and memory on it.







    If there is no dock in the path, I would narrow it down to what Xorg is actually
    seeing each time the layout gets lost.

    A safe first check is:

    xrandr --verbose

    Run it once when the monitors are arranged correctly and once after XFCE forgets
    the layout. Compare the output names, connected/disconnected state, preferred modes, and whether the same screen comes back as a slightly different connector or EDID.

    For XFCE specifically, also check whether removing the saved display state and recreating it helps:

    mv ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml \
    ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml.old

    Then log out/in and set the layout again with the display settings panel. If it is an Nvidia setup, `nvidia-settings` may be worth trying too; save an X configuration only if you are comfortable undoing it from a console.

    A 4K monitor may simplify the resolution-switching part, but if the driver is losing EDID or renaming outputs, changing DEs alone may not cure it.

    --
    TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null>
    "I survived the great rm -rf / rehearsal and all I got was this .signature."

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Edmund@3:633/10 to All on Friday, June 05, 2026 16:10:14
    On 6/5/26 3:09 PM, TheLastSysop wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 10:16:30 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/4/26 11:01 PM, George wrote:
    On 04/06/2026 07:53, Edmund wrote:
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the
    settings.


    Could you tell us the make and model of your docking station?

    Sure, none



    When
    people use multiple displays, they must be using some kind of docking
    station.

    You also need to tell us whether it is a USB 3.0/3.1 or USB-C version in >>> order to connect your device.In my opinion, these docking stations
    rarely work in a Linux environment, but I have found one that works
    reasonably well: the Dell Universal Dock D6000. They also provide a
    driver for Windows to use all the features, but nothing for Ubuntu. I
    use one of these on my Linux Mint laptop to connect an external monitor, >>> keyboard and mouse, as the internal connections on the laptop are broken >>> due to summer heat and the heat generated by the machine itself. The
    laptop is quite old, but I have decided to continue using it until I buy >>> another refurbished laptop when the price is right, as I spent a few bob >>> upgrading the SSD and memory on it.







    If there is no dock in the path, I would narrow it down to what Xorg is actually
    seeing each time the layout gets lost.

    A safe first check is:

    xrandr --verbose

    Run it once when the monitors are arranged correctly and once after XFCE forgets
    the layout. Compare the output names, connected/disconnected state, preferred
    modes, and whether the same screen comes back as a slightly different connector
    or EDID.

    For XFCE specifically, also check whether removing the saved display state and
    recreating it helps:

    mv ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml \
    ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml.old

    Then log out/in and set the layout again with the display settings panel. If it
    is an Nvidia setup, `nvidia-settings` may be worth trying too; save an X configuration only if you are comfortable undoing it from a console.

    A 4K monitor may simplify the resolution-switching part, but if the driver is losing EDID or renaming outputs, changing DEs alone may not cure it.


    I will see when I have my 4k Monitor


    --
    Once an organization gains any influence, it will be corrupted from both within and without.

    Edmund

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From german usenet@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, June 06, 2026 07:51:53
    Le 06/06/2026 … 02:42, George a ‚crit˙:
    On 05/06/2026 15:10, Edmund wrote:
    On 6/5/26 3:09 PM, TheLastSysop wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 10:16:30 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/4/26 11:01 PM, George wrote:
    On 04/06/2026 07:53, Edmund wrote:
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the >>>>>> settings.


    Could you tell us the make and model of your docking station?

    Sure, none



    ˙ When
    people use multiple displays, they must be using some kind of docking >>>>> station.

    You also need to tell us whether it is a USB 3.0/3.1 or USB-C
    version in
    order to connect your device.In my opinion, these docking stations
    rarely work in a Linux environment, but I have found one that works
    reasonably well: the Dell Universal Dock D6000. They also provide a
    driver for Windows to use all the features, but nothing for Ubuntu. I >>>>> use one of these on my Linux Mint laptop to connect an external
    monitor,
    keyboard and mouse, as the internal connections on the laptop are
    broken
    due to summer heat and the heat generated by the machine itself. The >>>>> laptop is quite old, but I have decided to continue using it until
    I buy
    another refurbished laptop when the price is right, as I spent a
    few bob
    upgrading the SSD and memory on it.







    If there is no dock in the path, I would narrow it down to what Xorg
    is actually
    seeing each time the layout gets lost.

    A safe first check is:

    ˙˙˙˙ xrandr --verbose

    Run it once when the monitors are arranged correctly and once after
    XFCE forgets
    the layout.˙ Compare the output names, connected/disconnected state,
    preferred
    modes, and whether the same screen comes back as a slightly different
    connector
    or EDID.

    For XFCE specifically, also check whether removing the saved display
    state and
    recreating it helps:

    ˙˙˙˙ mv ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml \
    ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml.old

    Then log out/in and set the layout again with the display settings
    panel. If it
    is an Nvidia setup, `nvidia-settings` may be worth trying too; save an X >>> configuration only if you are comfortable undoing it from a console.

    A 4K monitor may simplify the resolution-switching part, but if the
    driver is
    losing EDID or renaming outputs, changing DEs alone may not cure it.


    I will see when I have my 4k Monitor



    I have just found a universal driver for Ubuntu that may also be
    compatible with Linux Mint.

    You can download it via this link: <https://www.synaptics.com/sites/default/files/exe_files/2026-06/DisplayLink%20USB%20Graphics%20Software%20for%20Ubuntu6.3-EXE.zip>.

    Unzip the file and read the included text file. Once you are happy with
    the release notes, you can install the driver using the following command:

    sudo sh ./displaylink-driver-6.3.0-48.run

    After installing the driver, type:

    sudo reboot

    Once the machine has rebooted, try connecting your monitors one by one
    to check that they maintain the correct resolution. The first time you
    do this, it will take some time for the driver to reconfigure itself for
    each monitor. If the monitors have speakers, the sound system will also
    work with HDMI or DP cables.






    they are no one usb cable type...who want connect a usb screen ?

    --
    Amicalement,

    german

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From TheLastSysop@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, June 06, 2026 09:57:19
    On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 01:42:59 +0100, George <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 05/06/2026 15:10, Edmund wrote:
    On 6/5/26 3:09 PM, TheLastSysop wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 10:16:30 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/4/26 11:01 PM, George wrote:
    On 04/06/2026 07:53, Edmund wrote:
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the >>>>>> settings.


    Could you tell us the make and model of your docking station?

    Sure, none



    ˙ When
    people use multiple displays, they must be using some kind of docking >>>>> station.

    You also need to tell us whether it is a USB 3.0/3.1 or USB-C
    version in
    order to connect your device.In my opinion, these docking stations
    rarely work in a Linux environment, but I have found one that works
    reasonably well: the Dell Universal Dock D6000. They also provide a
    driver for Windows to use all the features, but nothing for Ubuntu. I >>>>> use one of these on my Linux Mint laptop to connect an external
    monitor,
    keyboard and mouse, as the internal connections on the laptop are
    broken
    due to summer heat and the heat generated by the machine itself. The >>>>> laptop is quite old, but I have decided to continue using it until
    I buy
    another refurbished laptop when the price is right, as I spent a
    few bob
    upgrading the SSD and memory on it.







    If there is no dock in the path, I would narrow it down to what Xorg
    is actually
    seeing each time the layout gets lost.

    A safe first check is:

    ˙˙˙˙ xrandr --verbose

    Run it once when the monitors are arranged correctly and once after
    XFCE forgets
    the layout.˙ Compare the output names, connected/disconnected state,
    preferred
    modes, and whether the same screen comes back as a slightly different
    connector
    or EDID.

    For XFCE specifically, also check whether removing the saved display
    state and
    recreating it helps:

    ˙˙˙˙ mv ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml \
    ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml.old

    Then log out/in and set the layout again with the display settings
    panel. If it
    is an Nvidia setup, `nvidia-settings` may be worth trying too; save an X >>> configuration only if you are comfortable undoing it from a console.

    A 4K monitor may simplify the resolution-switching part, but if the
    driver is
    losing EDID or renaming outputs, changing DEs alone may not cure it.


    I will see when I have my 4k Monitor



    I have just found a universal driver for Ubuntu that may also be
    compatible with Linux Mint.

    You can download it via this link: ><https://www.synaptics.com/sites/default/files/exe_files/2026- >06/DisplayLink%20USB%20Graphics%20Software%20for%20Ubuntu6.3-EXE.zip>.

    Unzip the file and read the included text file. Once you are happy with
    the release notes, you can install the driver using the following command:

    sudo sh ./displaylink-driver-6.3.0-48.run

    After installing the driver, type:

    sudo reboot

    Once the machine has rebooted, try connecting your monitors one by one
    to check that they maintain the correct resolution. The first time you
    do this, it will take some time for the driver to reconfigure itself for
    each monitor. If the monitors have speakers, the sound system will also
    work with HDMI or DP cables.

    One caution before installing that: the DisplayLink package is only useful when the video path actually uses a DisplayLink USB graphics chip. A Dell D6000 or many USB video adapters do, but a normal HDMI/DP port on the machine, or USB-C DisplayPort alt-mode, usually does not.

    So I would check the hardware first, for example:

    lsusb | grep -i displaylink

    or look through the full `lsusb` output for Synaptics/DisplayLink. If nothing like that is present, installing the DisplayLink driver is unlikely to fix XFCE forgetting monitor layout and may just add another moving part.

    For a plain GPU output, the earlier xrandr/EDID and XFCE displays.xml route is still the safer first line of attack.

    --
    TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null>
    "I survived the great rm -rf / rehearsal and all I got was this .signature."

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Edmund@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, June 06, 2026 12:17:42
    On 6/6/26 2:42 AM, George wrote:
    On 05/06/2026 15:10, Edmund wrote:
    On 6/5/26 3:09 PM, TheLastSysop wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 10:16:30 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/4/26 11:01 PM, George wrote:
    On 04/06/2026 07:53, Edmund wrote:
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the >>>>>> settings.


    Could you tell us the make and model of your docking station?

    Sure, none



    ˙ When
    people use multiple displays, they must be using some kind of docking >>>>> station.

    You also need to tell us whether it is a USB 3.0/3.1 or USB-C
    version in
    order to connect your device.In my opinion, these docking stations
    rarely work in a Linux environment, but I have found one that works
    reasonably well: the Dell Universal Dock D6000. They also provide a
    driver for Windows to use all the features, but nothing for Ubuntu. I >>>>> use one of these on my Linux Mint laptop to connect an external
    monitor,
    keyboard and mouse, as the internal connections on the laptop are
    broken
    due to summer heat and the heat generated by the machine itself. The >>>>> laptop is quite old, but I have decided to continue using it until
    I buy
    another refurbished laptop when the price is right, as I spent a
    few bob
    upgrading the SSD and memory on it.







    If there is no dock in the path, I would narrow it down to what Xorg
    is actually
    seeing each time the layout gets lost.

    A safe first check is:

    ˙˙˙˙ xrandr --verbose

    Run it once when the monitors are arranged correctly and once after
    XFCE forgets
    the layout.˙ Compare the output names, connected/disconnected state,
    preferred
    modes, and whether the same screen comes back as a slightly different
    connector
    or EDID.

    For XFCE specifically, also check whether removing the saved display
    state and
    recreating it helps:

    ˙˙˙˙ mv ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml \
    ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml.old

    Then log out/in and set the layout again with the display settings
    panel. If it
    is an Nvidia setup, `nvidia-settings` may be worth trying too; save an X >>> configuration only if you are comfortable undoing it from a console.

    A 4K monitor may simplify the resolution-switching part, but if the
    driver is
    losing EDID or renaming outputs, changing DEs alone may not cure it.


    I will see when I have my 4k Monitor



    I have just found a universal driver for Ubuntu that may also be
    compatible with Linux Mint.

    You can download it via this link: <https://www.synaptics.com/sites/default/files/exe_files/2026-06/DisplayLink%20USB%20Graphics%20Software%20for%20Ubuntu6.3-EXE.zip>.

    Unzip the file and read the included text file. Once you are happy with
    the release notes, you can install the driver using the following command:

    sudo sh ./displaylink-driver-6.3.0-48.run

    After installing the driver, type:

    sudo reboot

    Once the machine has rebooted, try connecting your monitors one by one
    to check that they maintain the correct resolution. The first time you
    do this, it will take some time for the driver to reconfigure itself for
    each monitor. If the monitors have speakers, the sound system will also
    work with HDMI or DP cables.


    I most certainly not going to mess with software from unknown sources
    with weird names.

    USB? for monitors? I don't have that.

    --
    Once an organization gains any influence, it will be corrupted from both within and without.

    Edmund

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, June 06, 2026 15:47:20
    On Sat, 6/6/2026 6:17 AM, Edmund wrote:
    On 6/6/26 2:42 AM, George wrote:
    On 05/06/2026 15:10, Edmund wrote:
    On 6/5/26 3:09 PM, TheLastSysop wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 10:16:30 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 6/4/26 11:01 PM, George wrote:
    On 04/06/2026 07:53, Edmund wrote:
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the >>>>>>> settings.


    Could you tell us the make and model of your docking station?

    Sure, none



    ˙˙ When
    people use multiple displays, they must be using some kind of docking >>>>>> station.

    You also need to tell us whether it is a USB 3.0/3.1 or USB-C
    version in
    order to connect your device.In my opinion, these docking stations >>>>>> rarely work in a Linux environment, but I have found one that works >>>>>> reasonably well: the Dell Universal Dock D6000. They also provide a >>>>>> driver for Windows to use all the features, but nothing for Ubuntu. I >>>>>> use one of these on my Linux Mint laptop to connect an external
    monitor,
    keyboard and mouse, as the internal connections on the laptop are
    broken
    due to summer heat and the heat generated by the machine itself. The >>>>>> laptop is quite old, but I have decided to continue using it until >>>>>> I buy
    another refurbished laptop when the price is right, as I spent a
    few bob
    upgrading the SSD and memory on it.







    If there is no dock in the path, I would narrow it down to what Xorg
    is actually
    seeing each time the layout gets lost.

    A safe first check is:

    ˙˙˙˙˙ xrandr --verbose

    Run it once when the monitors are arranged correctly and once after
    XFCE forgets
    the layout.˙ Compare the output names, connected/disconnected state,
    preferred
    modes, and whether the same screen comes back as a slightly different
    connector
    or EDID.

    For XFCE specifically, also check whether removing the saved display
    state and
    recreating it helps:

    ˙˙˙˙˙ mv ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml \
    ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml.old

    Then log out/in and set the layout again with the display settings
    panel. If it
    is an Nvidia setup, `nvidia-settings` may be worth trying too; save an X >>>> configuration only if you are comfortable undoing it from a console.

    A 4K monitor may simplify the resolution-switching part, but if the
    driver is
    losing EDID or renaming outputs, changing DEs alone may not cure it.


    I will see when I have my 4k Monitor



    I have just found a universal driver for Ubuntu that may also be
    compatible with Linux Mint.

    You can download it via this link:
    <https://www.synaptics.com/sites/default/files/exe_files/2026-06/DisplayLink%20USB%20Graphics%20Software%20for%20Ubuntu6.3-EXE.zip>.

    Unzip the file and read the included text file. Once you are happy with
    the release notes, you can install the driver using the following command: >>
    sudo sh ./displaylink-driver-6.3.0-48.run

    After installing the driver, type:

    sudo reboot

    Once the machine has rebooted, try connecting your monitors one by one
    to check that they maintain the correct resolution. The first time you
    do this, it will take some time for the driver to reconfigure itself for
    each monitor. If the monitors have speakers, the sound system will also
    work with HDMI or DP cables.


    I most certainly not going to mess with software from unknown sources with weird names.

    USB? for monitors? I don't have that.


    There was at least one monitor, that had a DisplayLink chip inside the monitor, but the monitor also had "ordinary" ports as well. As USB carriage of that protocol, isn't the absolute best for operating a monitor (the USB2 version was a slide show, the USB3 version never needed more than "light compression).
    HDMI or DP as connector standards, would give a better (lower) latency variation.

    *******

    On a dock, the dock accepts some flavor of higher speed USB and then
    outputs HDMI or DP. And the connection to the monitor is one of the
    more common types of HDMI or DP. Not a lot of docks today, would
    have much usage for a DVI-D output.

    There were Thunderbolt and USB4 (expansion) cards, which accept DP cable input from
    the video card in the same machine, and the monitor signal is then
    embedded in the Thunderbolt or USB4 output signal. The motherboard
    has a "XXX-Ready" control header to drive a card like this, and the
    custom nature of the control header, ensures the Asus motherboard
    needs an Asus card like this one. The signals on the control header,
    might be similar between the Gigabyte version of this card and the
    Asus version, but to increase their own sales, the pinouts might be
    different on the control header cable. Just as all the TPMs have keying
    and wiring changes, to "marry like to like".

    "So the ASUS USB4 PCIE card finally launched" [Two DP inputs, two USB4 outputs]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sibvM-1Rl14

    (My Asus motherboard has this for the control cable header, if I were to buy that card [yeah,sure]

    TB_Header X X X X X X X 13 signals total
    X X X X X X

    FORCE PWR 12C_SCL
    GND 12C_SDA
    SLP_S3# 12C_IRQ#
    SLP S5# RTD3_POWER_EN
    GND S_SLP_SO#_IDLE
    PERST_N
    RTD3_SW WAKE#
    )

    Exactly why this is important, I have no idea. They tell me
    that "this is progress". It's so Apple can have a laptop with a
    single tiny connector on it, and for $600, you can demux that
    connector into individual connectors (that should have been
    on the laptop in the first place).

    Video is hard enough, with the standard connectors, while these
    alt-modes are mostly for the birds. I've bought expensive cards
    before that didn't work out, like a card for $1000 that had to be
    pulled from the computer after a couple days. Having standards
    for things, helps a lot in these matters of toy-cards.

    Paul

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
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  • From Edmund@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 09, 2026 18:58:18
    On 6/4/26 8:53 AM, Edmund wrote:


    OK after some trial and error I got the monitor working at 60 Hz as
    specified.
    So far... the annoying changing screen resolutions between the different displays ( Desktop TV and Beamer ) are gone.
    I have to wait and see how it goes in the future.

    For my current XFCE, I have increased the DPI and fonts size so it
    became readable for me.
    Problem : the menu window is now a fixed, way too small size so that the content is only partial visible.

    On another computer I installed Cinnamon, guess what? I am going to use
    that in the future.
    I ditched my buggy KVM switch and installed a software KVM - Barrier.
    Problem here : that computer with an older Nvidia which is not supported
    by Linux. I have display, I can see the sound is coming trough but that
    sound isn't heard???

    So I have an very old Nvidia which is not supported and an expensive new
    one which is also not supported :-(
    Both come up with different HDMI sound output settings after each boot.
    Again pretty annoying.
    On the bright side, at least the new one gives my sound too.




    Any XFCE users here?
    Hi guys, after using XFCE for years, some things are starting to annoy
    me a little too much.
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the settings. We all know our cut@paste coders never fix any bugs so I
    thinking of trying another DE.
    AI tells me Mate should be more reliable , for whatever that is worth :-) Then I read more about that wayland stuff, which is not coming to mint anytime soon and I wonder advantages it brings in real life.

    Do you XFCE users have the same HDMI problem or is it my not really supported Nvidia card?
    Do Mate users have this problem too?





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  • From Jack Strangio@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 18, 2026 03:21:49
    Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> writes:
    Do Mate users have this problem too?

    FWIW, I have a Samsung 43" 4K TV used as a monitor and supplied via HDMI
    from my Lenovo M70T desktop machine.

    I also have a 4K Lenovo laptop with Nvidia display chips.

    I don't use multiple screens. But I use 7 virtual desktops.

    I am using Mint Mate, and have done for about 12 years. (Set in my ways!)

    I have no problems with this setup.


    Do you have separate configurations for the different displays so that each display gets its own specific configuration, or are you just hoping that the hardware will sort itself out? (Along similar lines to specific hardware drivers being needed for specific hardware?)


    Hope this helps.

    Jack

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  • From vallor@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 18, 2026 05:31:09
    At Thu, 4 Jun 2026 08:53:11 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Any XFCE users here?
    Hi guys, after using XFCE for years, some things are starting to annoy
    me a little too much.
    Mostly the HDMI problems with multiple display's that cannot keep the settings. We all know our cut@paste coders never fix any bugs so I
    thinking of trying another DE.
    AI tells me Mate should be more reliable , for whatever that is worth :-) Then I read more about that wayland stuff, which is not coming to mint anytime soon and I wonder advantages it brings in real life.

    Do you XFCE users have the same HDMI problem or is it my not really supported Nvidia card?
    Do Mate users have this problem too?

    XFCE has it's own thing for monitor order. I've been bit by that
    myself, until I figured it out. That's also where you ultimately
    set the refresh rate.

    Whisker Menu > Settings Manager > Hardware Section, pick "Display"

    The button to activate the Settings Manager is upper right on
    the Whisker menu, just left of the lock icon.

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