Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

--
Linux Mint 22.2, Mozilla Thunderbird 140.6.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 146.0.1
Alan K.


--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 11/01/2026 14:05, Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

I only got notice of an update to the Update Manager. I forgot that
often appears just before a version update becomes available. I guess
I'll get the notification tomorrow, but also usually wait a few days
before applying the update.

--
Jeff

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 2026-01-11 10:05 AM, Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Complaints available soon after! :-D :-D :-D

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Me neither, although I'm curious to see the new System Information tool,
that does look quite interesting.

https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_zena_whatsnew.php




--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 11/01/2026 14:05, Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Thank you for the 'heads up'.

I'm running Linux Mint on my old 24 inch Apple iMac

I have, this evening, updated to Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon 64-bit

So far I've experience no problems. ?

--
Kind regards,
David
Shared with ACW

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Altho' the 22.3 .iso isn't yet 'generally' available, there's mention of
a link in the blog comments. I wanted it to put on a Ventoy SSD to boot
live to investigate a Firefox problem I've been observing in the Ffx ng.

--
Mike Easter

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 1/11/26 12:27 PM, Monsieur wrote:

Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Me neither, although I'm curious to see the new System Information tool,
that does look quite interesting.

https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_zena_whatsnew.php

I installed 22.3 beta on Ventoy and played with it a while. The jury is still out.

--
Linux Mint 22.2, Mozilla Thunderbird 140.6.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 146.0.1
Alan K.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 1/11/26 4:01 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Altho' the 22.3 .iso isn't yet 'generally' available, there's mention of
a link in the blog comments. I wanted it to put on a Ventoy SSD to boot
live to investigate a Firefox problem I've been observing in the Ffx ng.

Do you have that link to the 22.3 iso? I don't see it in the blog.

--
Linux Mint 22.2, Mozilla Thunderbird 140.6.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 146.0.1
Alan K.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 2026-01-11, Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

I always wait for a while (if updating at all) just to make sure most of the bugs are found and removed.

--
"Not just stupid... Trump stupid."

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 2026-01-11, Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

On 1/11/26 12:27 PM, Monsieur wrote:

Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Me neither, although I'm curious to see the new System Information tool,
that does look quite interesting.

https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_zena_whatsnew.php

I installed 22.3 beta on Ventoy and played with it a while. The jury is still out.

I've got it also (now on a Ventoy USB). For my older equipment (at least) there doesn't seem to be any pressing need to upgrade.

--
"Not just stupid... Trump stupid."

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 2026-01-11, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Altho' the 22.3 .iso isn't yet 'generally' available, there's mention of
a link in the blog comments. I wanted it to put on a Ventoy SSD to boot live to investigate a Firefox problem I've been observing in the Ffx ng.

The 22.3 beta will upgrade to 22.3 when available. (For those who are
anxious to upgrade.)

--
"Not just stupid... Trump stupid."

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

Alan K. wrote:

Do you have that link to the 22.3 iso?ÿÿ I don't see it in the blog.

https://mirror.raiolanetworks.com/linuxmint/iso/stable/22.3/

I dl/ed that, checked its sha256, put it on a Ventoy ssd to check it out.

Newsgroups: alt.comp.software.firefox
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--
Mike Easter

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
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David B. wrote:

On 11/01/2026 14:05, Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Thank you for the 'heads up'.

I'm running Linux Mint on my old 24 inch Apple iMac

I have, this evening, updated to Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon 64-bit

So far I've experience no problems. ?

Just upgraded too, no problems so far and the System Information is
nice. However I'm not too fond of the new start menu. Guess I'll get
used to it eventually...

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 12/01/2026 15:00, Monsieur wrote:

David B. wrote:

On 11/01/2026 14:05, Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Thank you for the 'heads up'.

I'm running Linux Mint on my old 24 inch Apple iMac

I have, this evening, updated to Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon 64-bit

So far I've experience no problems. ?

Just upgraded too, noÿ problems so far and the System Information is
nice. However I'm not too fond of the new start menu. Guess I'll get
used to it eventually...

I confess that I had a 'double-take' at the new start menu too! ?
Not a problem though.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 1/12/26 10:54 AM, David B. wrote:

On 12/01/2026 15:00, Monsieur wrote:

David B. wrote:

On 11/01/2026 14:05, Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Thank you for the 'heads up'.

I'm running Linux Mint on my old 24 inch Apple iMac

I have, this evening, updated to Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon 64-bit

So far I've experience no problems. ?

Just upgraded too, noÿ problems so far and the System Information is
nice. However I'm not too fond of the new start menu. Guess I'll get
used to it eventually...

I confess that I had a 'double-take' at the new start menu too! ?
Not a problem though.

It's a lot like the cinnamenu applet in 22.2. I've been using that for a few weeks.

--
Linux Mint 22.2, Mozilla Thunderbird 140.6.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 146.0.1
Alan K.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 12/01/2026 16:13, Alan K. wrote:

On 1/12/26 10:54 AM, David B. wrote:

On 12/01/2026 15:00, Monsieur wrote:

David B. wrote:

On 11/01/2026 14:05, Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Thank you for the 'heads up'.

I'm running Linux Mint on my old 24 inch Apple iMac

I have, this evening, updated to Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon 64-bit

So far I've experience no problems. ?

Just upgraded too, noÿ problems so far and the System Information is
nice. However I'm not too fond of the new start menu. Guess I'll get
used to it eventually...

I confess that I had a 'double-take' at the new start menu too! ?
Not a problem though.

It's a lot like the cinnamenu applet in 22.2.ÿÿ I've been using that for
a few weeks.

Thanks, Alan.

Today I've installed Linux Mint 22.3 on my aging 27 inch iMac.

Here's the outcome:-

1. Boot and Filesystem ? All Correct

From your output:

/ mounted from /dev/sda2 (ext4)
BootCurrent: 0000 ? Ubuntu (shimx64.efi)
BootOrder: 0000,0080
Filesystem state: clean

This means:

You are booting from the internal spinner (sda2) exactly as planned.

EFI is configured correctly: Linux is first, macOS external is second.

Filesystem is clean and consistent.

So from a software and boot perspective: your Mint installation is
properly deployed.

2. Disk Health ? Usable but Ageing

SMART overall result:

SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
However, the deeper stats tell the real story:

Key facts:

Power-on hours: ~29,173 hours (over 3.3 years of continuous runtime)

Start/Stop cycles: 31,050

Power cycles: 62,650

Temperature: ~41øC (acceptable)

Concerning indicators:

Reported_Uncorrect = 56

SMART Error Count = 56

Multiple historical UNC (uncorrectable) read errors at the same LBA

Very high read/write totals (this disk has been heavily used)

There are no current pending or reallocated sectors, which is good. But:

This disk has already experienced real, logged read failures in the past.

It is well into ?old age? territory mechanically.

It is stable today, but statistically not trustworthy long-term.

In business terms:
Serviceable, but not strategic.

3. Practical Recommendation

Your Mint system is:

Technically correct

Cleanly installed

Booting properly

Hardware mostly healthy

But your internal drive is:

Old

Heavily used

With a history of read errors

You should:

Keep good backups.

Avoid storing irreplaceable data only on this disk.

Plan to replace it with an SSD if you intend to rely on this machine.

If you move Mint to an SSD later, you will gain:

Dramatic speed improvement

Much higher reliability

Lower heat and noise

Final Assessment

Linux Mint 22.3: Correctly installed and operational

Boot configuration: Correct

Filesystem: Clean

Hardware: Fully supported

Disk: Aging, usable, but on borrowed time

*Your system is working*.
*Your disk is surviving*.

--

MacOS Ventura 13.7.8 is also installed on an external 1TB SSD
The picture quality on the 5k screen is still magnificent!

--
Kind regards,
David

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On Jan 12, 2026 at 2:07:38?PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <msl64rFhc5vU1@mid.individual.net>:

https://gemini.google.com/app/35dcde2b61e2ee47
-----
David B. reports a successful upgrade to Linux Mint 22.3
Cinnamon on aging 24" and 27" iMacs. He provides a detailed
health check of his system, noting:

Status: OS is correctly deployed and booting via EFI
(shimx64.efi).

Hardware: 27" iMac internal HDD is showing signs of age
(29k+ hours, 56 uncorrectable errors).

Recommendation: He advises users on similar hardware to
prioritize backups and transition to SSDs for reliability.

UX: Confirms a slight learning curve with the new 22.3 start
menu but reports overall system stability and excellent 5K
display support.
-----

I used the exact same prompt for your post as I did with Gremlin's posts. It
is good to see you posting technical stuff... not just the flame war content
he posts.

This is just a small sampling, but you so far seem to be more focused on technical issues than he is (and than I am, to be fair).

--
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 12/01/2026 22:43, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Jan 12, 2026 at 2:07:38?PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <msl64rFhc5vU1@mid.individual.net>:

https://gemini.google.com/app/35dcde2b61e2ee47
-----
David B. reports a successful upgrade to Linux Mint 22.3
Cinnamon on aging 24" and 27" iMacs. He provides a detailed
health check of his system, noting:

Status: OS is correctly deployed and booting via EFI
(shimx64.efi).

Hardware: 27" iMac internal HDD is showing signs of age
(29k+ hours, 56 uncorrectable errors).

Recommendation: He advises users on similar hardware to
prioritize backups and transition to SSDs for reliability.

UX: Confirms a slight learning curve with the new 22.3 start
menu but reports overall system stability and excellent 5K
display support.
-----

I used the exact same prompt for your post as I did with Gremlin's posts. It is good to see you posting technical stuff... not just the flame war content he posts.

This is just a small sampling, but you so far seem to be more focused on technical issues than he is (and than I am, to be fair)

I sometimes like a challenge! ?

--
Kind regards,
David

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On Mon, 1/12/2026 4:07 PM, David B. wrote:

On 12/01/2026 16:13, Alan K. wrote:

On 1/12/26 10:54 AM, David B. wrote:

On 12/01/2026 15:00, Monsieur wrote:

David B. wrote:

On 11/01/2026 14:05, Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Thank you for the 'heads up'.

I'm running Linux Mint on my old 24 inch Apple iMac

I have, this evening, updated to Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon 64-bit

So far I've experience no problems. ?

Just upgraded too, noÿ problems so far and the System Information is
nice. However I'm not too fond of the new start menu. Guess I'll get
used to it eventually...

I confess that I had a 'double-take' at the new start menu too! ?
Not a problem though.

It's a lot like the cinnamenu applet in 22.2.ÿÿ I've been using that for a few weeks.

Thanks, Alan.

Today I've installed Linux Mint 22.3 on my aging 27 inch iMac.

Here's the outcome:-

1. Boot and Filesystem ? All Correct

From your output: ...

The problem with doing this, is your output from an LLM-AI hides
your own acumen for all to see. We were hoping you would *at least*
include a sentence about your action plan, upon receiving the AI analysis.

That's the purpose of asking the AI for an opinion. Is it writes a
summary, and you're supposed to react to it. Recognizing where you are.

I have a hard drive right now, smartctl awards the drive a pass, and
for all practical purposes, the drive might as well be dead.

I was coaxing and encouraging the drive to use up its spares, as I was hoping to take pictures and show people what it looks like when a hard drive "augers in".

To my surprise, the drive *did not* auger in. The manufacturer wanted to cheat, in such a way that I could not make a warranty claim (if this had happened after
fewer power hours for example). Of the 5500 or so spare sectors, the drive stopped
sparing at exactly half of the spares. It turned off one of the drive functions,
as a way of saying "you will not punish this drive any more and make
a warranty claim". The drive is useless, you cannot install another OS, yet
the drive will not spare out any sectors either. And the drive reports <cough> "Healthy".
The spindle spins. You can kinda read some things off the drive. The drive
may have 140 CRC errors or so. But, it did not die like other drives died, where the drive refuses to spin or refuses to load the heads. It's now a zombie of sorts.

New computers will become more expensive, as the price of DDR5 and NAND go up. Old computers, as useless as they are, can still be used, especially if
you fit a new drive so they can be used. That's what we were hoping you would discuss, your action plan.

One company claimed today, shortages could exist until 2028.

Monitor stocks are depleted where I am. At one computer store, virtually all the monitors are "Special Order", which means, upon receipt, you cannot
return them. Only an actual functional failure (no light, no power, etc) constitute a reason for return. And even then, you might have to deal with
the manufacturer warranty instead of the store warranty. Thus, your aged Mac has useful materials in several categories. And you should take care of it.

You should ask the LLM-AI, giving the AI your model number, how hard
it is to change out the hard drive. And what kind of hard drive would
make a good replacement. Hopefully, something without a "mushy TLC problem".
I have a Lexar NS100 drive that is mushy, and I've backed it up before something bad happens.

Paul

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:69657901$7$26$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Mon, 12 Jan 2026 22:43:13
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

I used the exact same prompt for your post as I did with Gremlin's
posts. It is good to see you posting technical stuff... not just the
flame war content he posts.

ROFL. Yes, for sure, David is well known for being a technical person! /sarcasm I don't post flamewar content...I challenge some of the bullshit
that you post about myself and others though.

This is just a small sampling, but you so far seem to be more focused on technical issues than he is (and than I am, to be fair).

*larf* This is the first post I've made on this thread. Why do you go out of your way to be so antagonizing and dishonest?



--
Liar, lawyer; mirror show me, what's the difference?
Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent
Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference?
Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government


--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

"David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk>
news:msldasFiiekU1@mid.individual.net Mon, 12 Jan 2026 23:10:20 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

I sometimes like a challenge! ?

ROFL. You've amply demonstrated that with SC. Why don't you attempt to
assist Snit in replacing the bad hard drive that he couldn't diagnose in his machine? That should be a good challenge for you. Your success depends on
his ability to follow instructions. ROFL! We've all seen how well he's able
to do that. From AZ to to crypto to eventually confirming that my diagnosis was correct. I bet he was beyond slightly pissed off when smart diags confirmed what I already told him was the issue.

I understand why you support him here at the level you do, but, I don't understand why you're so willing to eat so much crow as you do so. Can you explain that?



--
Liar, lawyer; mirror show me, what's the difference?
Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent
Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference?
Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government


--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On Jan 12, 2026 at 4:10:20?PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <msldasFiiekU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 12/01/2026 22:43, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Jan 12, 2026 at 2:07:38?PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<msl64rFhc5vU1@mid.individual.net>:

https://gemini.google.com/app/35dcde2b61e2ee47
-----
David B. reports a successful upgrade to Linux Mint 22.3
Cinnamon on aging 24" and 27" iMacs. He provides a detailed
health check of his system, noting:

Status: OS is correctly deployed and booting via EFI
(shimx64.efi).

Hardware: 27" iMac internal HDD is showing signs of age
(29k+ hours, 56 uncorrectable errors).

Recommendation: He advises users on similar hardware to
prioritize backups and transition to SSDs for reliability.

UX: Confirms a slight learning curve with the new 22.3 start
menu but reports overall system stability and excellent 5K
display support.
-----

I used the exact same prompt for your post as I did with Gremlin's posts. It >> is good to see you posting technical stuff... not just the flame war content >> he posts.

This is just a small sampling, but you so far seem to be more focused on
technical issues than he is (and than I am, to be fair)

I sometimes like a challenge! ?

Sadly it is not much of a challenge to have a better focus than Gremlin.

--
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On Jan 12, 2026 at 6:31:49?PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB3D2D0D833602HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:69657901$7$26$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Mon, 12 Jan 2026 22:43:13
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

I used the exact same prompt for your post as I did with Gremlin's
posts. It is good to see you posting technical stuff... not just the
flame war content he posts.

ROFL. Yes, for sure, David is well known for being a technical person! /sarcasm I don't post flamewar content...I challenge some of the bullshit that you post about myself and others though.

This is just a small sampling, but you so far seem to be more focused on
technical issues than he is (and than I am, to be fair).

*larf* This is the first post I've made on this thread. Why do you go out of your way to be so antagonizing and dishonest?

You have been shown facts: using the same standards, Davids (single) post
shows more of a technical focus than yours have generally been showing. Mine, too.

I am not insulted by this non-offensive fact.

You are clearly bothered by it.

Goes back to my suggesting you engage in some self reflection.

--
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On Jan 12, 2026 at 6:32:00?PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB3D2D0E0A82FDHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

"David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk>
news:msldasFiiekU1@mid.individual.net Mon, 12 Jan 2026 23:10:20 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

I sometimes like a challenge! ?

ROFL. You've amply demonstrated that with SC. Why don't you attempt to
assist Snit in replacing the bad hard drive that he couldn't diagnose in his machine? That should be a good challenge for you. Your success depends on
his ability to follow instructions. ROFL! We've all seen how well he's able to do that. From AZ to to crypto to eventually confirming that my diagnosis was correct. I bet he was beyond slightly pissed off when smart diags confirmed what I already told him was the issue.

I understand why you support him here at the level you do, but, I don't understand why you're so willing to eat so much crow as you do so. Can you explain that?

See: you go back to your petty squabbles where you make claims but fail to
show evidence.

Remember, it is David who suggested my keyboard was faulty. He was correct.
You incorrectly concluded that the faulty keyboard meant the operator did not know how to enter Safe Mode -- a claim you have continued to repeat.

You made an error and cannot let go of it, and then bring it up here
completely out of context.

Maybe this will help you to understand why I suggest self-reflection on your part.

--
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:6965b884$4$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Tue, 13 Jan 2026 03:14:12
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On Jan 12, 2026 at 6:32:00?PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB3D2D0E0A82FDHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

"David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk>
news:msldasFiiekU1@mid.individual.net Mon, 12 Jan 2026 23:10:20 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

I sometimes like a challenge! ?

ROFL. You've amply demonstrated that with SC. Why don't you attempt to
assist Snit in replacing the bad hard drive that he couldn't diagnose
in his machine? That should be a good challenge for you. Your success
depends on his ability to follow instructions. ROFL! We've all seen how
well he's able to do that. From AZ to to crypto to eventually
confirming that my diagnosis was correct. I bet he was beyond slightly
pissed off when smart diags confirmed what I already told him was the
issue.

I understand why you support him here at the level you do, but, I don't
understand why you're so willing to eat so much crow as you do so. Can
you explain that?

See: you go back to your petty squabbles where you make claims but fail
to show evidence.

Remember, it is David who suggested my keyboard was faulty. He was
correct. You incorrectly concluded that the faulty keyboard meant the operator did not know how to enter Safe Mode -- a claim you have
continued to repeat.

Again, I'll remind you that you should refresh your memory by re-reading
the thread. You have things more than slightly arse about face here. You switched the keyboard out for a non apple one and didn't know how to use a standard keyboard to enter safe mode. You weren't familiar with the key
combos on such a keyboard. I was the one who told you about them. You
actually thanked me in the thread for doing so. Again, you should refresh
your memory. Don't expect or depend on others who observed my efforts to
help you also remembering things incorrectly as you have here. David spitballed trying to assist you, but didn't reach the conclusion that your hard drive was in a state of failure. I did, despite your efforts to
prevent and otherwise stall me from doing so.

David didn't diagnose your computers primary problem, either. I did, and,
I was the only one to do so. I realize you can't give me the proper credit because of your problems with an ego and pride, but, the thread contents support everything I've written about this subject.

Please stop hoping that others memory is as bad as yours and David. It's insulting to them.



--
Liar, lawyer; mirror show me, what's the difference?
Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent
Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference?
Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government


--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
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On Jan 12, 2026 at 9:09:59?PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB3D2EBA97F580HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:6965b884$4$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Tue, 13 Jan 2026 03:14:12
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On Jan 12, 2026 at 6:32:00?PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB3D2D0E0A82FDHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

"David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk>
news:msldasFiiekU1@mid.individual.net Mon, 12 Jan 2026 23:10:20 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

I sometimes like a challenge! ?

ROFL. You've amply demonstrated that with SC. Why don't you attempt to
assist Snit in replacing the bad hard drive that he couldn't diagnose
in his machine? That should be a good challenge for you. Your success
depends on his ability to follow instructions. ROFL! We've all seen how
well he's able to do that. From AZ to to crypto to eventually
confirming that my diagnosis was correct. I bet he was beyond slightly
pissed off when smart diags confirmed what I already told him was the
issue.

I understand why you support him here at the level you do, but, I don't
understand why you're so willing to eat so much crow as you do so. Can
you explain that?

See: you go back to your petty squabbles where you make claims but fail
to show evidence.

Remember, it is David who suggested my keyboard was faulty. He was
correct. You incorrectly concluded that the faulty keyboard meant the
operator did not know how to enter Safe Mode -- a claim you have
continued to repeat.

Again, I'll remind you that you should refresh your memory by re-reading
the thread.

I am open you showing MIDs and quotes. But do you deny you are still, even recently, claiming I did not know how to get into Safe Mode? You have. Incorrectly.

You also leave out how you thought an INTERNET boot was booting from the hard drive:

Snit:
-----
Or use Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to start up from
macOS Recovery over the internet.
-----

Gremlin <XnsB106A1C98FA72HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
-----
That's the equ of quick boot for a PC, snit. It allows you to
temporarily change the startup drive without changing the system
configuration in UEFI or system BIOS if it's in legacy mode. I
wasn't discussing quick boot, I was explaining (ad nausem) that
your recovery mode is a hidden partition on the same internal
hard disk as your OS lives.
-----

Pothead still references that... insisting I am somehow responsible for your error (as if you were my sock!) To be fair, I have said Pothead claimed you were my sock... but she did not directly do so. I should be more careful and not it is AS IF you were my sock.

...


--
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 23:10:20 +0000, "David B."
<boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/01/2026 22:43, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Jan 12, 2026 at 2:07:38?PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<msl64rFhc5vU1@mid.individual.net>:

https://gemini.google.com/app/35dcde2b61e2ee47
-----
David B. reports a successful upgrade to Linux Mint 22.3
Cinnamon on aging 24" and 27" iMacs. He provides a detailed
health check of his system, noting:

Status: OS is correctly deployed and booting via EFI
(shimx64.efi).

Hardware: 27" iMac internal HDD is showing signs of age
(29k+ hours, 56 uncorrectable errors).

Recommendation: He advises users on similar hardware to
prioritize backups and transition to SSDs for reliability.

UX: Confirms a slight learning curve with the new 22.3 start
menu but reports overall system stability and excellent 5K
display support.
-----

I used the exact same prompt for your post as I did with Gremlin's posts. It >> is good to see you posting technical stuff... not just the flame war content >> he posts.

This is just a small sampling, but you so far seem to be more focused on
technical issues than he is (and than I am, to be fair)

I sometimes like a challenge! ?

For the most part, you're copy/pasting from AI. Is that a challenge?


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On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 16:00:21 +0100, Monsieur wrote:

However I'm not too fond of the new start menu.

Don?t you have a choice? In GUIs like KDE, it?s just another widget.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
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On 13/01/2026 06:53, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 16:00:21 +0100, Monsieur wrote:

However I'm not too fond of the new start menu.

Don?t you have a choice? In GUIs like KDE, it?s just another widget.

To be completely honest, I don't know.

I invariably use this iMac running macOS Ventura from an external 1TB
SSD, so am not nearly as familiar with Linux controls.

--
Kind regards,
David

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
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On 13/01/2026 06:16, Kelly Phillips wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 23:10:20 +0000, "David B."
<boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/01/2026 22:43, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Jan 12, 2026 at 2:07:38?PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<msl64rFhc5vU1@mid.individual.net>:

https://gemini.google.com/app/35dcde2b61e2ee47
-----
David B. reports a successful upgrade to Linux Mint 22.3
Cinnamon on aging 24" and 27" iMacs. He provides a detailed
health check of his system, noting:

Status: OS is correctly deployed and booting via EFI
(shimx64.efi).

Hardware: 27" iMac internal HDD is showing signs of age
(29k+ hours, 56 uncorrectable errors).

Recommendation: He advises users on similar hardware to
prioritize backups and transition to SSDs for reliability.

UX: Confirms a slight learning curve with the new 22.3 start
menu but reports overall system stability and excellent 5K
display support.
-----

I used the exact same prompt for your post as I did with Gremlin's posts. It
is good to see you posting technical stuff... not just the flame war content
he posts.

This is just a small sampling, but you so far seem to be more focused on >>> technical issues than he is (and than I am, to be fair)

I sometimes like a challenge! ?

For the most part, you're copy/pasting from AI. Is that a challenge?

You are *FULL of SHIT*

Let's discuss THIS thread:-

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250781327?sortBy=rank&page=1

--
Kind regards,
David

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
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Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 16:00:21 +0100, Monsieur wrote:

However I'm not too fond of the new start menu.

Don?t you have a choice? In GUIs like KDE, it?s just another widget.

Yes, it turns out the menu is more customizable than I thought, I
managed to get it back the way I like it.


--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
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Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:6965d937$6$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Tue, 13 Jan 2026 05:33:43
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On Jan 12, 2026 at 9:09:59?PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB3D2EBA97F580HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

Again, I'll remind you that you should refresh your memory by
re-reading the thread.

I am open you showing MIDs and quotes.

There's no need for me to do your work for you. I've already seen the
threads recently, yet again. Just to verify I had my ducks in a row. It's
time for you to do the same.

even recently, claiming I did not know how to get into Safe Mode? You
have. Incorrectly.

If you refresh your memory you'll find that you weren't aware of the
keyboard combination on a non mac based keyboard to get into safe mode. the keyboard you used is missing the command key.

You also leave out how you thought an INTERNET boot was booting from the
hard drive:

I made no such statement. I will chalk this upto your demonstrated reading comprehension issues. It seems to be the primary cause of your problems.

Snit:
-----
Or use Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to start up from
macOS Recovery over the internet.
-----

There is no command button on a PC based keyboard as I explained to you in
the thread. Do you remember the proper combination to use on a non mac keyboard? I already shared it with you, you can find it in the thread.
Again, I strongly encourage you to refresh your memory of the discussion.
You are very much in error.

Gremlin <XnsB106A1C98FA72HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
-----
That's the equ of quick boot for a PC, snit. It allows you to
temporarily change the startup drive without changing the system
configuration in UEFI or system BIOS if it's in legacy mode. I
wasn't discussing quick boot, I was explaining (ad nausem) that
your recovery mode is a hidden partition on the same internal
hard disk as your OS lives.
-----

Pothead still references that... insisting I am somehow responsible for
your error (as if you were my sock!) To be fair, I have said Pothead
claimed you were my sock... but she did not directly do so. I should be
more careful and not it is AS IF you were my sock.

Pothead made no such claims concerning me, or you. You have demonstrated a severe level of difficulty with reading comprehension. You do not understand the majority of what's written here and elsewhere. You continue to
demonstrate that.

Review the thread and smarten up. You really can't look much worse than you already do at this point, Michael. You have a severe reading comprehension problem. You must have been socially passed thru the grades. There's no fucking way the education system didn't notice that you were struggling. No fucking way.



--
Liar, lawyer; mirror show me, what's the difference?
Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent
Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference?
Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government


--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On Jan 13, 2026 at 6:59:10?PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB3D3D57B7928HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:6965d937$6$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Tue, 13 Jan 2026 05:33:43
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

....

Snit:
-----
Or use Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to start up from
macOS Recovery over the internet.
-----

There is no command button on a PC based keyboard as I explained to you in the thread.

Not what that symbol... but it is easy to "translate":

Windows Key = Command Key
Alt Key = Option Key
Ctrl Key = Control Key

(You can alter this in software, but those are the signals sent).

Happy to help you. Actually surprised you did not know that... it is fairly common knowledge for most in the tech community.

But the bigger issue here is you thought an INTERNET boot (emphasis mine) was booting from the internal hard drive. LOL! That was really silly of you.

Gremlin <XnsB106A1C98FA72HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
-----
That's the equ of quick boot for a PC, snit. It allows you to
temporarily change the startup drive without changing the system
configuration in UEFI or system BIOS if it's in legacy mode. I
wasn't discussing quick boot, I was explaining (ad nausem) that
your recovery mode is a hidden partition on the same internal
hard disk as your OS lives.
-----

Pothead still references that... insisting I am somehow responsible for
your error (as if you were my sock!) To be fair, I have said Pothead
claimed you were my sock... but she did not directly do so. I should be
more careful and not it is AS IF you were my sock.

Pothead made no such claims concerning me,

Right... she pretended *I* made your error. She made the claim about me, AS IF I made YOUR error. As if you were my sock.

You really do have an issue with basic comprehension. LOL!


--
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

Monsieur wrote:

David B. wrote:

On 11/01/2026 14:05, Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Thank you for the 'heads up'.

I'm running Linux Mint on my old 24 inch Apple iMac

I have, this evening, updated to Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon 64-bit

So far I've experience no problems. ?

Just upgraded too, noÿ problems so far and the System Information is
nice. However I'm not too fond of the new start menu. Guess I'll get
used to it eventually...

Hate the new menu. It's too 'busy' and not as pretty. :) I changed it to
look as much as possible like the old one.

--
Linux Mint 22.3


--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

On 1/15/26 4:56 PM, Axel wrote:

Monsieur wrote:

David B. wrote:

On 11/01/2026 14:05, Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Thank you for the 'heads up'.

I'm running Linux Mint on my old 24 inch Apple iMac

I have, this evening, updated to Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon 64-bit

So far I've experience no problems. ?

Just upgraded too, noÿ problems so far and the System Information is
nice. However I'm not too fond of the new start menu. Guess I'll get
used to it eventually...

Hate the new menu. It's too 'busy' and not as pretty. :) I changed it to
look as much as possible like the old one.

Someone mentioned you could load the old menu and use it. But I've gotten quite used to
the new menu (once tweaked a bit).

--
Linux Mint 22.3, Mozilla Thunderbird 140.6.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 146.0.1
Alan K.

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 12:52:54 +0000, "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

On 13/01/2026 06:16, Kelly Phillips wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 23:10:20 +0000, "David B."
<boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/01/2026 22:43, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Jan 12, 2026 at 2:07:38?PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<msl64rFhc5vU1@mid.individual.net>:

https://gemini.google.com/app/35dcde2b61e2ee47
-----
David B. reports a successful upgrade to Linux Mint 22.3
Cinnamon on aging 24" and 27" iMacs. He provides a detailed
health check of his system, noting:

Status: OS is correctly deployed and booting via EFI
(shimx64.efi).

Hardware: 27" iMac internal HDD is showing signs of age
(29k+ hours, 56 uncorrectable errors).

Recommendation: He advises users on similar hardware to
prioritize backups and transition to SSDs for reliability.

UX: Confirms a slight learning curve with the new 22.3 start
menu but reports overall system stability and excellent 5K
display support.
-----

I used the exact same prompt for your post as I did with Gremlin's posts. It
is good to see you posting technical stuff... not just the flame war content
he posts.

This is just a small sampling, but you so far seem to be more focused on >>>> technical issues than he is (and than I am, to be fair)

I sometimes like a challenge! ?

For the most part, you're copy/pasting from AI. Is that a challenge?

You are *FULL of SHIT*

Let's discuss THIS thread:-

Sure, or you could attempt to answer my simple question. Is c/p from AI
a challenge for you?


--- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)

At Thu, 15 Jan 2026 23:16:42 -0500, "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

On 1/15/26 4:56 PM, Axel wrote:

Monsieur wrote:

David B. wrote:

On 11/01/2026 14:05, Alan K. wrote:

Just got an update to the Mint Upgrade app.
Under 'edit' you now have the upgrade from 22.2 to 22.3

Not that I'm doing it today.

Thank you for the 'heads up'.

I'm running Linux Mint on my old 24 inch Apple iMac

I have, this evening, updated to Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon 64-bit

So far I've experience no problems. ?

Just upgraded too, noÿ problems so far and the System Information is
nice. However I'm not too fond of the new start menu. Guess I'll get
used to it eventually...

Hate the new menu. It's too 'busy' and not as pretty. :) I changed it to look as much as possible like the old one.

Someone mentioned you could load the old menu and use it. But I've gotten quite used to
the new menu (once tweaked a bit).

I'd probably be upset if they'd changed the menu when I upgraded.

Thankfully, my Xfce desktop looks the same. Still using
NVIDIA 580.105.08 with Xfce, since the newer drivers have
some issue with Xfce's compositor. (Talking about X11 --
no Wayland for Xfce yet.)

--
-c System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 Mem: 258G
OS: Linux 6.18.5 D: Mint 22.3 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090Ti (24G) (580.105.08)
"A committee has 6 or more legs and no brain."

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* Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)