I guess this means Debian Unstable can end its latest settling-down phase,
and take off into the Wild Blue Yonder of heady new versions of the kernel
and other neat stuff, again ...

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On 11.08.2025 22:30 Uhr Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

I guess this means Debian Unstable can end its latest settling-down
phase, and take off into the Wild Blue Yonder of heady new versions
of the kernel and other neat stuff, again ...

It already did. Hundreds of packages were updated on my system in the
last days.

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 20:45:15 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

On 11.08.2025 22:30 Uhr Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

I guess this means Debian Unstable can end its latest settling-down
phase, and take off into the Wild Blue Yonder of heady new versions
of the kernel and other neat stuff, again ...

It already did. Hundreds of packages were updated on my system in the
last days.

I try to restrain myself to updating my Unstable installations no more
than once a month. So I’ll be encountering that within the next couple of weeks.

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 20:45:15 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

On 11.08.2025 22:30 Uhr Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

I guess this means Debian Unstable can end its latest settling-down
phase, and take off into the Wild Blue Yonder of heady new versions
of the kernel and other neat stuff, again ...

It already did. Hundreds of packages were updated on my system in the
last days.

I try to restrain myself to updating my Unstable installations no more
than once a month. So I’ll be encountering that within the next couple of weeks.

today was the first day i had any updates to testing.

i'd just moved my previous testing partition to a new
SSD when the release happened and i want to get a more
recent debian installer testing netboot image (that has
some rescue functionality in it) on USB before i start
playing.

i do have some sid elements mixed with testing (so i
can run the most current version of firefox) and i like
to keep that up to date every day if i have the time.

i have the same routine every morning, check updates
and apply if they look like things i really do want,
otherwise wait a day or two until i have the time.


songbird

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 06:53:22 -0400, songbird wrote:

today was the first day i had any updates to testing.

Live a little. Try Unstable. ;)

You do have to keep your wits about you, though. One time an upgrade tried
to remove all my installed kernels. I stopped it just in time.

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 06:53:22 -0400, songbird wrote:

today was the first day i had any updates to testing.

Live a little. Try Unstable. ;)

i do use a small part of it for firefox, that's enough.
i also keep a bootable stable partition that i update
rarely for backup in case of troubles with testing or
unstable. rarely have needed it but nice to have for
a few older things i don't want to change very often.

You do have to keep your wits about you, though. One time an upgrade tried to remove all my installed kernels. I stopped it just in time.

i never do automatic upgrades.


songbird

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 22:30:10 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

I guess this means Debian Unstable can end its latest settling-down
phase, and take off into the Wild Blue Yonder of heady new versions
of the kernel and other neat stuff, again ...

I see the new version already has a name: “Forky”. Though the osinfo-db package hasn’t been updated yet ...

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Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 05:45 this Friday (GMT):

On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 22:30:10 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

I guess this means Debian Unstable can end its latest settling-down
phase, and take off into the Wild Blue Yonder of heady new versions
of the kernel and other neat stuff, again ...

I see the new version already has a name: “Forky”. Though the osinfo-db package hasn’t been updated yet ...

Well, I'm glad they found another character name to use, since I heard
they were starting to run out...
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On 25/08/2025 14:50, candycanearter07 wrote:

Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 05:45 this Friday (GMT):

On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 22:30:10 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

I guess this means Debian Unstable can end its latest settling-down
phase, and take off into the Wild Blue Yonder of heady new versions
of the kernel and other neat stuff, again ...

I see the new version already has a name: “Forky”. Though the osinfo-db >> package hasn’t been updated yet ...

Well, I'm glad they found another character name to use, since I heard
they were starting to run out...

If Ubuntu has names like "Cursing Camel" or "Deviant Dalmation" then
I'm sure Debian could use "Evil Dr. Pork Chop". ;-)


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mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote at 19:02 this Monday (GMT):

On 25/08/2025 14:50, candycanearter07 wrote:

Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 05:45 this Friday (GMT):

On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 22:30:10 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

I guess this means Debian Unstable can end its latest settling-down
phase, and take off into the Wild Blue Yonder of heady new versions
of the kernel and other neat stuff, again ...

I see the new version already has a name: “Forky”. Though the osinfo-db >>> package hasn’t been updated yet ...

Well, I'm glad they found another character name to use, since I heard
they were starting to run out...

If Ubuntu has names like "Cursing Camel" or "Deviant Dalmation" then
I'm sure Debian could use "Evil Dr. Pork Chop". ;-)

Probably would be called edpc internally, you know how computers are
with whitespace and periods.
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 17:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

... you know how computers are with whitespace and periods.

No, tell us, how *are* computers with whitespace and periods?

ldo@theon:Music Videos> ls -l Fatboy\ Slim\,\ Riva\ Starr\,\ \&\ Beardyman/
total 229760
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 36611239 Feb 3 2024 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Bruno Martini Remix).mp4'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 13504378 Apr 6 2014 'Eat Sleep Rave Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 68586093 Dec 29 2013 'Eat Sleep Rave Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix) (Official Video).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 74373951 Jun 2 2017 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix) (Official Video).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 8368979 Dec 9 2015 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix).webm'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 12890332 Jun 22 2013 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Official Lyric Video).flv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 20924382 Mar 1 2014 'Eat Sleep Rave Repeat (Original Edit).mkv'

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Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 23:02 this Wednesday (GMT):

On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 17:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

... you know how computers are with whitespace and periods.

No, tell us, how *are* computers with whitespace and periods?

ldo@theon:Music Videos> ls -l Fatboy\ Slim\,\ Riva\ Starr\,\ \&\ Beardyman/
total 229760
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 36611239 Feb 3 2024 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Bruno Martini Remix).mp4'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 13504378 Apr 6 2014 'Eat Sleep Rave Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 68586093 Dec 29 2013 'Eat Sleep Rave Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix) (Official Video).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 74373951 Jun 2 2017 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix) (Official Video).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 8368979 Dec 9 2015 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix).webm'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 12890332 Jun 22 2013 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Official Lyric Video).flv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 20924382 Mar 1 2014 'Eat Sleep Rave Repeat (Original Edit).mkv'

I just mean that it could cause issues if stuff isn't escaped right, you
have to deal with encodings (%20 vs \ vs relying on quoted arguments)
and its a bit of a headache for not a lot of benefit? There's a reason
most programming things use camelcase, underscores, or dashes.
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:

Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 23:02 this Wednesday (GMT):

On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 17:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

... you know how computers are with whitespace and periods.

No, tell us, how *are* computers with whitespace and periods?

ldo@theon:Music Videos> ls -l Fatboy\ Slim\,\ Riva\ Starr\,\ \&\
Beardyman/
total 229760
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 36611239 Feb 3 2024 'Eat, Sleep, Rave,
Repeat (Bruno Martini Remix).mp4'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 13504378 Apr 6 2014 'Eat Sleep Rave
Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 68586093 Dec 29 2013 'Eat Sleep Rave
Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix) (Official Video).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 74373951 Jun 2 2017 'Eat, Sleep, Rave,
Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix) (Official Video).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 8368979 Dec 9 2015 'Eat, Sleep, Rave,
Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix).webm'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 12890332 Jun 22 2013 'Eat, Sleep, Rave,
Repeat (Official Lyric Video).flv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 20924382 Mar 1 2014 'Eat Sleep Rave
Repeat (Original Edit).mkv'

I just mean that it could cause issues if stuff isn't escaped right, you
have to deal with encodings (%20 vs \ vs relying on quoted arguments)
and its a bit of a headache for not a lot of benefit? There's a reason
most programming things use camelcase, underscores, or dashes.

Computers don’t have a problem with whitespace at all.

Certain languages have design flaws concerning whitespace, most notably
the Unix shell.

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 19:10:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 23:02 this Wednesday (GMT):

On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 17:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

... you know how computers are with whitespace and periods.

No, tell us, how *are* computers with whitespace and periods?

ldo@theon:Music Videos> ls -l Fatboy\ Slim\,\ Riva\ Starr\,\ \&\ Beardyman/
total 229760
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 36611239 Feb 3 2024 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Bruno Martini Remix).mp4'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 13504378 Apr 6 2014 'Eat Sleep Rave Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 68586093 Dec 29 2013 'Eat Sleep Rave Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix) (Official Video).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 74373951 Jun 2 2017 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix) (Official Video).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 8368979 Dec 9 2015 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix).webm'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 12890332 Jun 22 2013 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Official Lyric Video).flv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 20924382 Mar 1 2014 'Eat Sleep Rave Repeat (Original Edit).mkv'

I just mean that it could cause issues if stuff isn't escaped right, you
have to deal with encodings (%20 vs \ vs relying on quoted arguments)
and its a bit of a headache for not a lot of benefit?

Do you see any of that above?

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2025 00:01:14 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 19:10:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 23:02 this Wednesday (GMT): >>>

On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 17:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

... you know how computers are with whitespace and periods.

No, tell us, how *are* computers with whitespace and periods?

ldo@theon:Music Videos> ls -l Fatboy\ Slim\,\ Riva\ Starr\,\ \&\ Beardyman/
total 229760
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 36611239 Feb 3 2024 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Bruno Martini Remix).mp4'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 13504378 Apr 6 2014 'Eat Sleep Rave Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 68586093 Dec 29 2013 'Eat Sleep Rave Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix) (Official Video).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 74373951 Jun 2 2017 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix) (Official Video).mkv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 8368979 Dec 9 2015 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Calvin Harris Remix).webm'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 12890332 Jun 22 2013 'Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat (Official Lyric Video).flv'
-rw-r--r-- 1 ldo users 20924382 Mar 1 2014 'Eat Sleep Rave Repeat (Original Edit).mkv'

I just mean that it could cause issues if stuff isn't escaped right, you
have to deal with encodings (%20 vs \ vs relying on quoted arguments)
and its a bit of a headache for not a lot of benefit?

Certain languages have design flaws concerning whitespace, most notably
the Unix shell.

Do you see any of that in the example above?

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From: ldo@nz.invalid

On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 22:49:59 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 20:45:15 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

On 11.08.2025 22:30 Uhr Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

I guess this means Debian Unstable can end its latest settling-down
phase, and take off into the Wild Blue Yonder of heady new versions of
the kernel and other neat stuff, again ...

It already did. Hundreds of packages were updated on my system in the
last days.

I try to restrain myself to updating my Unstable installations no more
than once a month. So I’ll be encountering that within the next couple
of weeks.

No big kernel jump back then, but it has now gone to 6.16-7.

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From: none@invalid.com

On 21/09/2025 07:45, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

No big kernel jump back then, but it has now gone to 6.16-7.

The problem for some of us is that rndis will be missing. And yes, I
know that ncm is the replacement and is available in Linux and Windows
and probably everything else. I have a test script running on a PiZero
that turns it into rndis/ncm/eem gadget so you can test operation on
assorted computers, everything I've tried worked with ncm.

But..... my Android phone only offers rndis which means USB tethering
will not work. And I seem to use USB tethering with my Linux laptop
quite a lot of the time. Maybe by the time Trixie moves on I'll have a
new phone but currently lots of recent Android phones still only offer
rndis.

I haven't seen how rndis is being removed from the kernel so I'm hoping
it wont be too hard to patch the kernel source to add it back, build the rndis.ko and stuff into the modules directory. But it's annoying to know
I may have to do this to get around someone's dogmatism.

Yes I can use Wifi Hotspot on the phone but it was just so simple to
plug in the USB cable and tap on USB tethering and bish-bash-bosh you
were connected.

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