I don't have Windows 11 or Copilot on my laptop anymore because I changed
to Debian Linux KDE Plasma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LmXD1AG0Jo


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On Fri, 10/2/2026 4:38 PM, anonymous wrote:

I don't have Windows 11 or Copilot on my laptop anymore because I changed
to Debian Linux KDE Plasma.

https://www.youtube

I was watching a Youtube video today, and they said:

"Youtube content creators are running out of ideas"

Reluctantly, it seems to be true. All the good money
making ideas have been used up, and all that is
left is table-scraps.

Maybe tomorrows video will be about spicing up
spaghetti, by adding meatballs to it ? I don't think
a movie has been made about that. Ask Will Smith
if he would do a cameo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Smith_eating_spaghetti_test

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Paul wrote:

On Fri, 10/2/2026 4:38 PM, anonymous wrote:

I don't have Windows 11 or Copilot on my laptop anymore because I changed
to Debian Linux KDE Plasma.

https://www.youtube

I was watching a Youtube video today, and they said:

"Youtube content creators are running out of ideas"

Reluctantly, it seems to be true. All the good money
making ideas have been used up, and all that is
left is table-scraps.

I agree. I like to watch Sci-Fi and "How To" vids on YT. With very few exceptions, the last originals were made in 2025. Nearly every 2026 YT
vid of genre that I like is a clone of 2024 & 2025 with 2026 garbage
video game background graphics. Thousands of Death Girl channels have
taken over YT Sci-Fi.

Maybe tomorrows video will be about spicing up
spaghetti, by adding meatballs to it ? I don't think
a movie has been made about that. Ask Will Smith
if he would do a cameo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Smith_eating_spaghetti_test

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Maybe tomorrows video will be about spicing up
spaghetti, by adding meatballs to it ? I don't think
a movie has been made about that. Ask Will Smith
if he would do a cameo.

And apparently you can improve the flavour of salt by rubbing it in to a
piece of fillet steak :-\

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On 10/4/2026 5:06 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

On 02 Oct 2026, anonymous <noreply@oc2mx.net> posted some news:53c6567485207c543223@n2n.oc2mx.net:

Thankfully I don't have Windows 11 or Copilot on my laptop anymore
because I changed to Debian Linux KDE Plasma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LmXD1AG0Jo

Copilot is a useless piece of shit.

And so is Debian, but we can only deal with one thing at a time.

Copilot doesn't bother me, and I don't know if I disabled it or just
haven't run into it in the Windows interface yet.

I don't have a good long term solution for A.I.-less operating systems.
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On 2026/10/6 3:1:45, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

On 10/4/2026 5:06 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

On 02 Oct 2026, anonymous <noreply@oc2mx.net> posted some
news:53c6567485207c543223@n2n.oc2mx.net:

Thankfully I don't have Windows 11 or Copilot on my laptop anymore
because I changed to Debian Linux KDE Plasma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LmXD1AG0Jo

Copilot is a useless piece of shit.

And so is Debian, but we can only deal with one thing at a time.

Copilot doesn't bother me, and I don't know if I disabled it or just
haven't run into it in the Windows interface yet.

I don't have a good long term solution for A.I.-less operating systems.

In my Windows 10 with Classic Shell, there is a Copilot entry under Apps
from the Start Menu. I've never clicked on it (actually I don't think
I've ever clicked on anything under Apps).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't like that word [atheist]; it implies that there's a god not to
believe in - Eric Idle, quoted in RT 2016/12/10-16

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On Mon, 10/5/2026 10:01 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

On 10/4/2026 5:06 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

On 02 Oct 2026, anonymous <noreply@oc2mx.net> posted some
news:53c6567485207c543223@n2n.oc2mx.net:

Thankfully I don't have Windows 11 or Copilot on my laptop anymore
because I changed to Debian Linux KDE Plasma.

https://www.youtube

Copilot is a useless piece of shit.

And so is Debian, but we can only deal with one thing at a time.

Copilot doesn't bother me, and I don't know if I disabled it or just
haven't run into it in the Windows interface yet.

I don't have a good long term solution for A.I.-less operating systems.

Debian
| \
Ubuntu Devuan
/ \
LinuxMint Zorin <=== by the time you get to this level, the packages are good
A distro at this level could be non-SNAP or with immediate
SNAP support.

This has the map file, showing the relationship of distros to one another.
The map is .svg, but the text in it is search-able, so if you search for "debian" you will find it highlighted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions

Paul

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On 2026-10-06, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:

On 10/4/2026 5:06 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Copilot is a useless piece of shit.

And so is Debian, but we can only deal with one thing at a time.

All major operating systems are pieces of shit in one way or
another, but some are shittier than others.

For my purposes I have found Debian and its derivatives a lot
less shitty than Windows or MacOS. In particular I find Windows
11 in its default state to be incredibly obnoxious, even appalling.

That doesn't mean that Debian or some other Linux is going to
be a good fit for you or anyone else. I'm not an "advocate"
in the sense of trying to push it on anyone else, but it works
for me. (It probably helps that I have been working with Unix
and Unix-like systems for over 40 years.)

I don't have a good long term solution for A.I.-less operating systems.

I find Linux "good enough", though the BSDs (which are real
Unix) have a lot to recommend them. I may take a closer look
at them moving forward.

--
Roger Blake

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Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> writes:

On 2026-10-06, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:

On 10/4/2026 5:06 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Copilot is a useless piece of shit.

And so is Debian, but we can only deal with one thing at a time.

All major operating systems are pieces of shit in one way or
another, but some are shittier than others.

I wonder what the definition of "piece of shit" is in the context
of operating systems?

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On Wed, 10/7/2026 5:30 AM, Bob wrote:

Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> writes:

On 2026-10-06, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:

On 10/4/2026 5:06 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Copilot is a useless piece of shit.

And so is Debian, but we can only deal with one thing at a time.

All major operating systems are pieces of shit in one way or
another, but some are shittier than others.

I wonder what the definition of "piece of shit" is in the context
of operating systems?

Customers word it this way:

"I'll know it when I see it"

Anything that "gets in a customers road" makes it shitty.

Customers don't care about architectural niceties and "blame assignment", they just want your shitty OS to work.

Frictional things would be "failure to boot", "Start Menu does not work", "Display Control panel does not work or is functionally inaccessible".
The latter one being, when you can enter settings, but the Apply
button is off the screen :-) They actually fixed that in Linux,
by holding down a modifier key and using left-mouse, you can
grab the panel by its surface and scoot it up the screen until
the Apply button can finally be accessed. Nobody has the notion
of actually measuring what is displayed and configuring it so
the stuff is visible.

Just the general complexity of OSes, there are "too many processes
running, for the amount of work". It's like a jobs fair for software
people, preserved in plastic.

https://xkcd.com/2347/

A "basic" OS should fit in 350MB, but they don't always come
close to that, and they can guzzle quite a bit of resources to support
"the latest whim". Various schemes that could be paged in from storage,
being an example (the design could rely upon the System Read Cache for performance of fetching the materials, if the materials are actually
being frequently accessed). Even MMAP could be used. The memory layout
of the fleet is the same everywhere, where only the "top 1% of power
users" actually need those touted materials to be "static/resident". Via
lazy evaluation, the resources don't need to be statically defined,
and can be pulled in, as that 1% power user uses their Thor Hammer.

It's like having Firefox in the Start folder. Is that really really necessary ? Do we need twenty copies of MSEdge or twenty copies of Chromium
and seven copies of Firefox process, just to open the fucking screen ?
Don't get me started.

When I'm sitting here telling people they need a 6 core processor
minimum, that runs at 5GHz, for a "good time", something is very wrong.
You will remember we used to get more-snappy response, with a lot
less processor, in the past.

Paul

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On 2026/10/7 13:37:40, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 10/7/2026 5:30 AM, Bob wrote:

[]

I wonder what the definition of "piece of shit" is in the context
of operating systems?

Customers word it this way:

"I'll know it when I see it"

:-)

Anything that "gets in a customers road" makes it shitty.

Customers don't care about architectural niceties and "blame assignment", they
just want your shitty OS to work.

Or, at a higher level of abstraction: customers want the OS to be
invisible. If they become aware of it, it's getting in the way. It' a
bit like incidental/mood music in TV/film: if you become _aware_ of it,
it's not doing its job, apart from when it's part of the plot like a processional or similar.

Frictional things would be "failure to boot", "Start Menu does not work", "Display Control panel does not work or is functionally inaccessible".
The latter one being, when you can enter settings, but the Apply
button is off the screen :-) They actually fixed that in Linux,
by holding down a modifier key and using left-mouse, you can
grab the panel by its surface and scoot it up the screen until
the Apply button can finally be accessed. Nobody has the notion
of actually measuring what is displayed and configuring it so
the stuff is visible.

I get the same with my double-height taskbar. To be fair, it's _not_ the
OS (unless that's not conveying the available space properly to
applications), but several applications - and web pages - _often_ have important buttons disappearing off the bottom behind the taskbar.

(That's another thing: many web designers - especially of forms - don't
seem to have noticed the switch to widescreen format; the go, accept,
next etc. button is nearly always at the bottom, rather than the right -
and few use two short columns (of choices, or whatever) rather than one
long one.)>

Just the general complexity of OSes, there are "too many processes
running, for the amount of work". It's like a jobs fair for software

Agreed, with knobs on. When I'm doing _nothing_, there are still many
tens of processes, by default anyway. (And yes, you'll challenge that
I'm "doing nothing". But AFAIAC, I _am_.)
[]

A "basic" OS should fit in 350MB, but they don't always come
close to that, and they can guzzle quite a bit of resources to support
"the latest whim". Various schemes that could be paged in from storage,

And turning off "the latest whim" is nearly always made far more
difficult than it ought, because its designers think either everyone
will want it, or (worse IMO) everyone _should_ have/run it.
[]

When I'm sitting here telling people they need a 6 core processor
minimum, that runs at 5GHz, for a "good time", something is very wrong.
You will remember we used to get more-snappy response, with a lot
less processor, in the past.

Paul

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did you hear about the guy who was frozen to absolute zero?
He was 0K ...
- Jason in alt.windows7.general (and three other 'groups), 2018-5-1

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