• Tthe real reason Windows keeps getting features no one asked for

    From Alan K.@3:633/10 to All on Friday, January 30, 2026 12:40:00
    And if you've been on these newsgroups for any time, this is not a surprise piece of info.
    I post it only for amusement. That, and maybe someone has been on a safari for 3 years
    away from the internet.

    How-to Geek posted an article about the topic in the subject line: https://www.howtogeek.com/this-is-the-real-reason-windows-keeps-getting-features-no-one-asked-for
    That's a one liner by the way.

    It's interesting and IMHO makes a great sell for Mac or Linux.

    --
    Linux Mint 22.3, Mozilla Thunderbird 140.7.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 147.0.1
    Alan K.


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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Friday, January 30, 2026 14:52:28
    On Fri, 1/30/2026 12:40 PM, Alan K. wrote:
    And if you've been on these newsgroups for any time, this is not a surprise piece of info.
    I post it only for amusement.ÿ That, and maybe someone has been on a safari for 3 years away from the internet.

    How-to Geek posted an article about the topic in the subject line: https://www.howtogeek.com/this-is-the-real-reason-windows-keeps-getting-features-no-one-asked-for
    That's a one liner by the way.

    It's interesting and IMHO makes a great sell for Mac or Linux.


    What it really means, is no platform that is really attractive.
    That's my interpretation of the situation.

    On Linux, I can use VM software, when I want a bridged connection
    so the IP address in the Guest is 192.168.1.3 I have to drop
    to terminal and enter cryptic nmcli commands to *try* and make it work.
    In Windows, if you select "bridged" it just... works.

    The Apple ecosystem would drive me nuts. I used to be an Apple
    user, even used to hang in an Apple ecosystem forum, but it was
    pretty obvious after a while, that the temptation to keep making
    me buy computers was overpowering for them. I waved them good bye.

    So Linux can be used as an "escape clause", you can do lots
    of stuff... but you can't do everything there, and some aspects
    of computing are still hopelessly backward.

    With a smartphone, yes, I could use it, but only within the parameters
    of my little jail. "Oh, you have to sent your pictures to the Cloud,
    because for no particular reason you cannot transfer locally without
    a computer science lab."

    Whereas with Windows, you feel like a Dementia Patient, you never
    know what day of the week it, you never know what "trap" you will
    fall into. "Well, I was just minding my own business when this
    crack opened in the ground." I guess that's why we're here,
    for the entertainment value of "making backups" :-)

    Paul

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  • From Frank Slootweg@3:633/10 to All on Friday, January 30, 2026 20:16:00
    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    [...]

    [Just a small interuption of your - mostly on-the-mark - analysis:]

    With a smartphone, yes, I could use it, but only within the parameters
    of my little jail. "Oh, you have to sent your pictures to the Cloud,
    because for no particular reason you cannot transfer locally without
    a computer science lab."

    Just for the record, 'local' [1] transfers both Android <--> Android
    and Android <--> Windows are trivial, but for some strange reason some
    people use the most awkward methods/tools and get into all kinds of inexplicable problems. For other (most?) people, it's not an issue at
    all and it Just Works (TM).

    Yes, I realize that you said 'smartphone' - not 'Android' - and didn't mention the other end - which also could be macOS, Chrome OS, Linux,
    etc. -, so I limit my comment to the platforms I mentioned.

    [...]

    [1] Where local can be on a LAN or on the Internet (without a 'cloud').

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.8
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  • From AJL@3:633/10 to All on Friday, January 30, 2026 21:16:22
    On 1/30/26 12:52 PM, Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 1/30/2026 12:40 PM, Alan K. wrote:
    And if you've been on these newsgroups for any time, this is not a surprise piece of info.
    I post it only for amusement.ÿ That, and maybe someone has been on a safari for 3 years away from the internet.

    How-to Geek posted an article about the topic in the subject line:
    https://www.howtogeek.com/this-is-the-real-reason-windows-keeps-getting-features-no-one-asked-for
    That's a one liner by the way.

    It's interesting and IMHO makes a great sell for Mac or Linux.


    What it really means, is no platform that is really attractive.
    That's my interpretation of the situation.

    On Linux, I can use VM software, when I want a bridged connection
    so the IP address in the Guest is 192.168.1.3 I have to drop
    to terminal and enter cryptic nmcli commands to *try* and make it work.
    In Windows, if you select "bridged" it just... works.

    The Apple ecosystem would drive me nuts. I used to be an Apple
    user, even used to hang in an Apple ecosystem forum, but it was
    pretty obvious after a while, that the temptation to keep making
    me buy computers was overpowering for them. I waved them good bye.

    So Linux can be used as an "escape clause", you can do lots
    of stuff... but you can't do everything there, and some aspects
    of computing are still hopelessly backward.

    With a smartphone, yes, I could use it, but only within the parameters
    of my little jail. "Oh, you have to sent your pictures to the Cloud,
    because for no particular reason you cannot transfer locally without
    a computer science lab."

    Whereas with Windows, you feel like a Dementia Patient, you never
    know what day of the week it, you never know what "trap" you will
    fall into. "Well, I was just minding my own business when this
    crack opened in the ground." I guess that's why we're here,
    for the entertainment value of "making backups" :-)

    Paul

    Or get a cheap Chromebook. This one I'm posting with gives these
    instructions in settings. I've not tried it yet though...

    Set up Linux on your Chromebook

    Linux is a feature that lets you develop software using your Chromebook. You
    can install Linux command-line tools, code editors and IDEs (integrated
    development environments) on your Chromebook. These can be used to write
    code, create apps and more.ÿCheck which devices have Linux.

    Important:ÿIf you use your Chromebook at work or school, you might not be
    able to use Linux. For more information,ÿcontact your administrator.

    Turn on Linux

    Linux is off by default. You can turn it on at any time from settings.

    On your Chromebook, at the bottom right, select the time.

    Select Settingsÿ?ÿ?ÿAbout ChromeOSÿ?ÿDevelopers.

    Next to 'Linux development environment', selectÿSet up.

    Follow the on-screen instructions. Setup can take 10 minutes or more.

    A terminal window opens. You have a Debian environment. You can run Linux
    commands, install more tools using the APT package manager and customise
    your shell.

    Turn off Linux

    At the bottom right, select the time.

    Select Settingsÿ?ÿ?ÿAbout ChromeOSÿ?ÿDevelopersÿ?ÿLinux development
    environment.

    Under 'Remove Linux development environment', selectÿRemove.

    Access your microphone on Linux

    You can use your microphone when Linux is turned on.

    At the bottom right, select the time.

    Select Settingsÿ?.

    On the left, selectÿLinux.

    On the left, selectÿAbout Chrome OSÿ?ÿDevelopersÿ?ÿLinux development
    environment.

    Turn onÿAllow Linux to access your microphone.

    Security and permissions

    To protect your computer, your Chromebook typically runs each app in a
    'sandbox'. However, all Linux apps run inside the same sandbox. This means
    that a harmful Linux app can affect other Linux apps, but not the rest of
    your Chromebook.

    Permissions and files shared with Linux are available to all Linux apps.

    Back up and restore

    If you have trouble with back up and restore,ÿlearn how to back up and
    replace your Linux files and apps.

    Fix problems with Linux

    If you experience issues with Linux or Linux apps, try the following steps:

    Restart your Chromebook.

    Update your packages. Open the Terminal appÿ?, and then run this
    command:ÿsudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

    Tip: You might need to restart your Chromebook for changes to take effect.
    Linux automatically checks for new packages after initial setup and every
    24 hours when it is running.

    Check what's not yet supported

    Cameras aren't yet supported.

    Android devices are supported over USB, but other devices aren't yet
    supported.

    Android Emulators aren't yet supported.

    Hardware acceleration isn't yet supported, including GPU and video decode.

    ChromeVox is supported for the default Terminal app, but not yet for other
    Linux apps.




    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.8
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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Friday, January 30, 2026 16:47:14
    On Fri, 1/30/2026 4:16 PM, AJL wrote:
    On 1/30/26 12:52 PM, Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 1/30/2026 12:40 PM, Alan K. wrote:
    And if you've been on these newsgroups for any time, this is not a surprise piece of info.
    I post it only for amusement.ÿ That, and maybe someone has been on a safari for 3 years away from the internet.

    How-to Geek posted an article about the topic in the subject line:
    https://www.howtogeek.com/this-is-the-real-reason-windows-keeps-getting-features-no-one-asked-for
    That's a one liner by the way.

    It's interesting and IMHO makes a great sell for Mac or Linux.


    What it really means, is no platform that is really attractive.
    That's my interpretation of the situation.

    On Linux, I can use VM software, when I want a bridged connection
    so the IP address in the Guest is 192.168.1.3 I have to drop
    to terminal and enter cryptic nmcli commands to *try* and make it work.
    In Windows, if you select "bridged" it just... works.

    The Apple ecosystem would drive me nuts. I used to be an Apple
    user, even used to hang in an Apple ecosystem forum, but it was
    pretty obvious after a while, that the temptation to keep making
    me buy computers was overpowering for them. I waved them good bye.

    So Linux can be used as an "escape clause", you can do lots
    of stuff... but you can't do everything there, and some aspects
    of computing are still hopelessly backward.

    With a smartphone, yes, I could use it, but only within the parameters
    of my little jail. "Oh, you have to sent your pictures to the Cloud,
    because for no particular reason you cannot transfer locally without
    a computer science lab."

    Whereas with Windows, you feel like a Dementia Patient, you never
    know what day of the week it, you never know what "trap" you will
    fall into. "Well, I was just minding my own business when this
    crack opened in the ground." I guess that's why we're here,
    for the entertainment value of "making backups" :-)

    ÿ Paul

    Or get a cheap Chromebook. This one I'm posting with gives these
    instructions in settings. I've not tried it yet though...

    Set up Linux on your Chromebook

    Linux is a feature that lets you develop software using your Chromebook. You can install Linux command-line tools, code editors and IDEs (integrated development environments) on your Chromebook. These can be used to write code, create apps and more.ÿCheck which devices have Linux.

    Important:ÿIf you use your Chromebook at work or school, you might not be able to use Linux. For more information,ÿcontact your administrator.

    Turn on Linux

    Linux is off by default. You can turn it on at any time from settings.

    On your Chromebook, at the bottom right, select the time.

    Select Settingsÿ?ÿ?ÿAbout ChromeOSÿ?ÿDevelopers.

    Next to 'Linux development environment', selectÿSet up.

    Follow the on-screen instructions. Setup can take 10 minutes or more.

    A terminal window opens. You have a Debian environment. You can run Linux commands, install more tools using the APT package manager and customise
    your shell.

    Turn off Linux

    At the bottom right, select the time.

    Select Settingsÿ?ÿ?ÿAbout ChromeOSÿ?ÿDevelopersÿ?ÿLinux development environment.

    Under 'Remove Linux development environment', selectÿRemove.

    Access your microphone on Linux

    You can use your microphone when Linux is turned on.

    At the bottom right, select the time.

    Select Settingsÿ?.

    On the left, selectÿLinux.

    On the left, selectÿAbout Chrome OSÿ?ÿDevelopersÿ?ÿLinux development environment.

    Turn onÿAllow Linux to access your microphone.

    Security and permissions

    To protect your computer, your Chromebook typically runs each app in a 'sandbox'. However, all Linux apps run inside the same sandbox. This means that a harmful Linux app can affect other Linux apps, but not the rest of your Chromebook.

    Permissions and files shared with Linux are available to all Linux apps.

    Back up and restore

    If you have trouble with back up and restore,ÿlearn how to back up and replace your Linux files and apps.

    Fix problems with Linux

    If you experience issues with Linux or Linux apps, try the following steps:

    Restart your Chromebook.

    Update your packages. Open the Terminal appÿ?, and then run this
    command:ÿsudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

    Tip: You might need to restart your Chromebook for changes to take effect. Linux automatically checks for new packages after initial setup and every
    24 hours when it is running.

    Check what's not yet supported

    Cameras aren't yet supported.

    Android devices are supported over USB, but other devices aren't yet supported.

    Android Emulators aren't yet supported.

    Hardware acceleration isn't yet supported, including GPU and video decode.

    ChromeVox is supported for the default Terminal app, but not yet for other Linux apps.

    Yes, I had Neverware CloudReady here. In two install attempts, it worked on
    one machine and not the other.

    The Google version of that (after buying Neverware), it actually only
    works with iGPU machines. The installer comes up with a "blank screen"
    if you use NVidia as a GPU, it doesn't tell you "look, dumbass, we
    don't do NVidia". Whereas CloudReady did have NVidia drivers.

    But as for environment, there was nothing attractive there particularly,
    and it was erased about a day later. I did amuse myself, by visiting one
    web site that "benchmarks Chromebooks", and a diagnostic message came
    up indicating I had the fastest GPU they'd ever seen on a ChromeBook :-)
    Well, that's reassuring.

    Sure, I could web surf there, but it would feel like "a month in county jail" :-)
    Maybe I could order Keurig pods there.

    Paul



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.8
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)