• Re: Crappy Thunderbird is now blocking cross-posting to certain newsgro

    From Chris@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 08:35:28
    Subject: Re: Crappy Thunderbird is now blocking cross-posting to certain newsgroup combinations

    Cheep Cheep... <cheep.cheep@thunderbird.org> wrote:
    The groups are infested with left-wing trolls suffering from TDS and ICE dementia.

    It is definitely Thunderbird doing it.

    Lol. Sure.


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  • From TheChief@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 07:08:55
    Subject: Re: Crappy Thunderbird is now blocking cross-posting to certain newsgroup combinations

    I Dunno...seems your crosspost worked fine..
    From: "Cheep Cheep..." <cheep.cheep@thunderbird.org>
    Newsgroups: alt.comp.software.thunderbird,news.software.readers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 Subject: Crappy Thunderbird is now blocking cross-posting to certain
    newsgroup combinations
    Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2026 21:01:57 -0800

    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 21:01:57 -0800, "Cheep Cheep..." <cheep.cheep@thunderbird.org> wrote:

    The groups are infested with left-wing trolls suffering from TDS and ICE >dementia.

    It is definitely Thunderbird doing it. A brand new install on a brand
    new VM will exhibit the exact same behavior. It does not occur on any
    other news software.

    If Thunderbird is censoring postings without telling you, imagine what
    it's doing with things that really matter, like your personal info, >financial data, health and employment information.

    Alternatives to consider.

    https://www.claws-mail.org/

    https://www.forteinc.com/agent/

    https://client-index.newshosting.com/nh/3.2.2/win/newshosting_setup_3.2.2.exe

    https://xnews.en.uptodown.com/windows/download


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  • From AJL@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 09:33:51
    Subject: Re: Crappy Thunderbird is now blocking cross-posting to certain newsgroup combinations

    On 1/19/2026 10:01 PM, Cheep Cheep... wrote:

    It is definitely Thunderbird doing it. A brand new install on a brand
    new VM will exhibit the exact same behavior. It does not occur on any
    other news software.

    I use TB version 45.0 because I like it. And because it can be set to
    not update itself. It is still available, or was when I got it, at
    various sites. It likely will solve your problem, or at least your
    paranoia... 8-O


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  • From VanguardLH@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 14:41:16
    Subject: Re: Crappy Thunderbird is now blocking cross-posting to certain newsgroup combinations

    "Cheep Cheep..." <cheep.cheep@thunderbird.org> wrote:

    The groups are infested with left-wing trolls suffering from TDS and ICE dementia.

    It is definitely Thunderbird doing it. A brand new install on a brand
    new VM will exhibit the exact same behavior. It does not occur on any
    other news software.

    If Thunderbird is censoring postings without telling you, imagine what
    it's doing with things that really matter, like your personal info, financial data, health and employment information.

    Alternatives to consider.

    https://www.claws-mail.org/

    https://www.forteinc.com/agent/

    https://client-index.newshosting.com/nh/3.2.2/win/newshosting_setup_3.2.2.exe

    https://xnews.en.uptodown.com/windows/download

    Did you actually try those alternatives, and with the same NNTP server
    in each, to verify your claim? Nope.

    Same Tbird installed fresh in a VM -- but likely you specified the same
    NNTP server(s) under which you subscribe to the unidentified newsgroups. Whatever Usenet provider you chose is doing the blocking, so use a
    different Usenet provider.

    You posted this using paganini BOFH. That is a free an unregistered
    Usenet provider (and unregistered means more trolls). Try using Eternal-September. It is free but registered: you have to get an
    account before you can outside the eternal-september.* newsgroups.
    Registration is free, but you have to configure your NNTP client to log
    into their server.

    paganini probably has filters to bar cross-posting to garbage
    newsgroups. ES does have such filters. You can ask in the ES newsgroup (eternal-september.support) if you believe the garbage newsgroups to
    which you cross-post are included in his anti-noise filters.

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  • From ...w¡ñ?±?ñ@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 15:49:22
    Subject: Re: Crappy Thunderbird is now blocking cross-posting to certain newsgroup combinations

    Cheep Cheep... wrote on 1/19/2026 10:01 PM:
    The groups are infested with left-wing trolls suffering from TDS and ICE dementia.

    It is definitely Thunderbird doing it.ÿ A brand new install on a brand
    new VM will exhibit the exact same behavior.ÿ It does not occur on any
    other news software.

    If Thunderbird is censoring postings without telling you, imagine what
    it's doing with things that really matter, like your personal info, financial data, health and employment information.


    No, it's just another ignorant assessment lacking basic understanding and faulty troubleshooting.

    It's not Thunderbird.

    --
    ...w­¤?ñ?¤

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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 19:55:06
    Subject: Re: Crappy Thunderbird is now blocking cross-posting to certain newsgroup combinations

    On Tue, 1/20/2026 12:01 AM, Cheep Cheep... wrote:


    It is definitely Thunderbird doing it.ÿ A brand new install on a brand new VM will exhibit the exact same behavior.ÿ
    It does not occur on any other news software.

    The server and the server administrator control crossposting.
    Using CleanFeed and SpamAssassin, they can also add arbitrary
    rules concerning content. (The original CleanFeed had a
    rule to block Nike running shoe adverts :-) As a demo filter.)

    Some of the servers had additional filtering added, when
    the ThaiSpam event occurred. That was a flood attack on
    select groups. That's the event that caused Google to shut
    down the NNTP interface to groups.google.com . It caused
    one other free server to go "Read Only". The server administrator
    sets it to ReadOnly, Thunderbird does not do that.

    You can set up a test server, an INND, and do some better
    quality controlled testing. When you first start running
    the server, it has very few crosspost rules. The server
    might be limited to crosspost of twelve by default, and
    that's a global rule for all groups.

    That's the kind of control you need over the materials,
    to be making claims of "this and that". Nobody here believes
    you, because we know how it works.

    The USENET clients have a really easy job. The user types
    shit in the window, the USENET client copies that into
    a block of text and sends it. The server decides to accept
    it, or reject it (along with a numeric error code). You can
    study this, by setting your clients for Port 119 and using
    Wireshark to record the (plaintext) packets.

    To prove the honesty of the client, use Wireshark. Wireshark
    will record the Newsgroups: line being sent off in your posting.
    This *proves* that Thunderbird did not modify the group list.
    It is right in the Wireshark trace. Right after this is sent,
    the server can send "123 Excessive Crosspost" back to you, and that
    is the server doing the parsing and analysis regarding the
    server-enforced crosspost rule. Each group can have a custom
    rule regarding when to reject a message. And by using Port 119,
    this is available for you to read, in (relatively) plain English.

    Newsgroups: alt.comp.software.thunderbird,news.software.readers,alt.comp.os.windows-11

    More info about Wireshark, here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireshark

    Paul




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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 20:21:30
    Subject: Re: Crappy Thunderbird is now blocking cross-posting to certain newsgroup combinations

    On 1/19/2026 11:01 PM, Cheep Cheep... wrote:
    The groups are infested with left-wing trolls suffering from TDS and ICE dementia.

    It is definitely Thunderbird doing it.ÿ A brand new install on a brand
    new VM will exhibit the exact same behavior.ÿ It does not occur on any
    other news software.
    ...

    It ain't Thunderbird. I just posted a message using Eternal-September
    across five different groups, starting with rec.arts.sf.written .

    Lynn


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  • From Gary R. Schmidt@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, January 21, 2026 16:51:20
    Subject: Re: Crappy Thunderbird is now blocking cross-posting to certain newsgroup combinations

    On 21/01/2026 13:21, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 1/19/2026 11:01 PM, Cheep Cheep... wrote:
    The groups are infested with left-wing trolls suffering from TDS and
    ICE dementia.

    It is definitely Thunderbird doing it.ÿ A brand new install on a brand
    new VM will exhibit the exact same behavior.ÿ It does not occur on any
    other news software.
    ...

    It ain't Thunderbird.ÿ I just posted a message using Eternal-September across five different groups, starting with rec.arts.sf.written .


    It's been pointed out to the OP that it's not a TB restriction but
    enforced by the server to which they are post, but that doesn't fit
    their performative paranoia and they refuse to acknowledge it.

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)

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