• Laptop or notebook WITHOUT wifi function

    From Mr. Chang Man-wai@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, August 12, 2026 13:26:39

    I just wondered:

    Why aren't there laptops and notebooks that
    has NO wireless adapters? They can still be
    very useful.

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    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, August 12, 2026 08:20:54
    On Wed, 8/12/2026 1:26 AM, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:

    I just wondered:

    Why aren't there laptops and notebooks that
    has NO wireless adapters? They can still be
    very useful.


    The Wifi module is usually implemented as a
    removable module. For well designed equipment,
    ten minutes is sufficient time to unplug the
    two antenna cables and remove the module from
    its PCB connector.

    This is a picture from the Framework laptop site, where the
    module is ready to be disconnected.

    https://d3t0tbmlie281e.cloudfront.net/igi/framework/DjKOgmef5X1xKqNS.large

    In the picture, the module has already been pulled from
    the motherboard miniature connector. When the module is
    placed into its connector, a retention screw at the top
    (the half-circle of copper), holds the module in place
    so vibration cannot remove it from the connector. An SSD
    likely does not fit into that connector, as the connector
    keying might be B or M or B&M and the SSD is of the wrong
    type. You have to read up on the keying scheme, before
    attempting to use a socket for "something else".

    Paul

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Mr. Chang Man-wai@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, August 13, 2026 01:35:42
    On 8/12/2026 8:20 PM, Paul wrote:

    The Wifi module is usually implemented as a
    removable module. For well designed equipment,
    ten minutes is sufficient time to unplug the
    two antenna cables and remove the module from
    its PCB connector.


    Unfortunately, you need to buy tools to
    open the laptop or notebook in order to
    reach that wifi module? :)

    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
    The game is afoot... Meow...

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, August 12, 2026 15:53:45
    On Wed, 8/12/2026 1:35 PM, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
    On 8/12/2026 8:20 PM, Paul wrote:

    The Wifi module is usually implemented as a
    removable module. For well designed equipment,
    ten minutes is sufficient time to unplug the
    two antenna cables and remove the module from
    its PCB connector.


    Unfortunately, you need to buy tools to
    open the laptop or notebook in order to
    reach that wifi module? :)


    The Framework laptop comes with the tools.
    It's a product that is designed to be disassembled
    and upgraded. You can even pull the motherboard,
    and put a more modern motherboard into it. It is
    a modular laptop.

    And apartment dwellers can own tools, you know.
    Don't be lazy :-)

    Paul

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Mr. Chang Man-wai@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, August 15, 2026 14:10:52
    On 8/13/2026 3:53 AM, Paul wrote:

    Unfortunately, you need to buy tools to
    open the laptop or notebook in order to
    reach that wifi module? :)

    The Framework laptop comes with the tools.
    It's a product that is designed to be disassembled
    and upgraded. You can even pull the motherboard,
    and put a more modern motherboard into it. It is
    a modular laptop.

    And apartment dwellers can own tools, you know.
    Don't be lazy :-)


    It's 2026, six years after 2020. The great idea
    still isn't taking off. The same goes to the
    modular cellphone.

    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
    The game is afoot... Meow...

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Mr. Chang Man-wai@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, August 15, 2026 14:16:39
    On 8/12/2026 8:20 PM, Paul wrote:

    The Wifi module is usually implemented as a
    removable module. For well designed equipment,
    ten minutes is sufficient time to unplug the
    two antenna cables and remove the module from
    its PCB connector.

    In retrospect, before the arrival of wifi
    laptops and notebooks, old ones could buy
    separate wifi adapters or modules to use
    wifi. I forgot the name of those slots.
    It was not USB.

    Now that USB ports are on every notebooks
    and/or laptops, should wifi modules still
    be embedded? Modern wifi USB dongles can
    be very very small.

    And you can lock USB dongles inside a
    bay, like jet fighters' weapon bays. :)

    So why can't everything other than
    the motherboard in notebooks and laptops
    be removable?

    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
    The game is afoot... Meow...

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, August 15, 2026 03:53:02
    On Sat, 8/15/2026 2:16 AM, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
    On 8/12/2026 8:20 PM, Paul wrote:

    The Wifi module is usually implemented as a
    removable module. For well designed equipment,
    ten minutes is sufficient time to unplug the
    two antenna cables and remove the module from
    its PCB connector.

    In retrospect, before the arrival of wifi
    laptops and notebooks, old ones could buy
    separate wifi adapters or modules to use
    wifi. I forgot the name of those slots.
    It was not USB.

    Now that USB ports are on every notebooks
    and/or laptops, should wifi modules still
    be embedded? Modern wifi USB dongles can
    be very very small.

    And you can lock USB dongles inside a
    bay, like jet fighters' weapon bays. :)

    So why can't everything other than
    the motherboard in notebooks and laptops
    be removable?


    At one time, there were PCMCIA and Expresscard (two widths).
    PCMCIA is the slower one of the two. That was a slot
    in a laptop, where a module would slide inside.

    The modern internal Wifi slot, has two interfaces.
    It has USB2 (which is too slow). It has PCI Express lanes.

    A Wifi adapter that has Bluetooth, the Bluetooth could
    use the USB2 interface. Some Wifi chipsets are supposed
    to coordinate the usage of one of the two antenna cables,
    between the Wifi and Bluetooth, so they both don't
    transmit at the same time. I've not been able to find
    any evidence that it works that way.

    *******

    So why can't everything ... be removable?

    That affects the ability to sell new laptops to people
    when the old one is a bit slow. If all hardware could
    be upgraded, there would be little incentive to buy
    new cases, display panels, and so on. Your old TN panel
    would be replaced with an IPS panel. The IPS panel
    would be replaced by OLED. And so on.

    On cheap devices, they solder the RAM down so you
    cannot improve it (without a hot air station and
    a lot of skill). On good quality PCBs, you can
    change the chips three times, with a hot air station.
    On cheap PCBs, the substrates fall apart when you
    hit them with hot air (foils lift off), and it's a
    lot easier to ruin the PCB while removing the old chip.

    The CPUs in laptops and tablets, can be BGA (ball grid
    array) and those are soldered down too.

    Intel at one time, was even interested in soldering
    CPUs to desktop motherboards, but user feedback helped
    prevent that from happening. There are some devices
    like that, sold to businesses, and maybe Pegasus makes
    something like that. But the enthusiast motherboard
    business, such a development would ruin the hobby.

    Paul

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Mr. Chang Man-wai@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, August 16, 2026 00:33:12
    On 8/15/2026 3:53 PM, Paul wrote:

    Intel at one time, was even interested in soldering
    CPUs to desktop motherboards, but user feedback helped
    prevent that from happening. There are some devices
    like that, sold to businesses, and maybe Pegasus makes
    something like that. But the enthusiast motherboard
    business, such a development would ruin the hobby.

    If Intel offered free de-soldering of old CPUs and
    swapped them with user-specified ones..,, :)

    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
    The game is afoot... Meow...

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, August 15, 2026 13:39:31
    On Sat, 8/15/2026 12:33 PM, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
    On 8/15/2026 3:53 PM, Paul wrote:

    Intel at one time, was even interested in soldering
    CPUs to desktop motherboards, but user feedback helped
    prevent that from happening. There are some devices
    like that, sold to businesses, and maybe Pegasus makes
    something like that. But the enthusiast motherboard
    business, such a development would ruin the hobby.

    If Intel offered free de-soldering of old CPUs and
    swapped them with user-specified ones..,, :)

    This might be feasible if the PCBs were of good quality.
    I can tell you, I don't want to do it. The motherboards
    aren't really good enough for re-work. If you asked me
    whether it was worth it, to try such an upgrade, I
    would tell you "No". Most likely the board would be
    damaged in the attempt.

    Paul

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.19
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)