• DLR re-entry

    From Anna Noyd-Dryver@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, September 08, 2026 05:58:06
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months
    after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-enters-passenger-service-92371/>

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  • From ColinR@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, September 08, 2026 12:46:21
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months
    after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-enters-passenger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip between
    the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel wheel
    and a steel rail?

    --
    Colin


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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, September 08, 2026 11:48:38

    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> posted:

    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-enters-passenger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip between
    the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel wheel
    and a steel rail?

    Dry both if wet.

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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, September 08, 2026 11:52:56

    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> posted:

    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-enters-passenger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip between
    the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel wheel
    and a steel rail?

    Dry both if wet. ADDED: Apply tread brakes from time to time.
    Add tread brakes to disk brakes for this purpose.

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  • From Anna Noyd-Dryver@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, September 08, 2026 16:13:44
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months
    after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-enters-passenger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip between
    the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel wheel
    and a steel rail?


    Magnets? My 1980s Hornby class 08 had "Magnatraction" which was remarkably effective. Not sure it scales up though!

    On a serious note, if sanders is not the answer, then possibly scrubber
    blocks to clear the wheel treads (as fitted to class 158, and in a way to
    HST power cars (they have both tread brakes and disc brakes which achieves
    the same outcome).


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  • From boltar@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, September 09, 2026 08:31:09
    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 12:46:21 +0100
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> gabbled:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months
    after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-enters-pass
    enger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip between
    the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel wheel
    and a steel rail?

    Maybe they put tyres on them ;)

    Seriously, how TF can it take 10 months to sort braking issues on a train?


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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, September 09, 2026 08:51:12

    boltar@caprica.universe posted:

    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 12:46:21 +0100
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> gabbled:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months
    after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-enters-pass
    enger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip between >the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel wheel >and a steel rail?

    Maybe they put tyres on them

    Hm.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gummibereifung_der_metro.JPG#/media/File:Gummibereifung_der_metro.JPG

    Regards, ULF

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  • From boltar@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, September 09, 2026 14:51:35
    On Wed, 09 Sep 2026 08:51:12 GMT
    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> gabbled: >boltar@caprica.universe posted:

    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 12:46:21 +0100
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> gabbled:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months >> >> after their temporary withdrawal from service.


    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-enters-pas
    s
    enger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip between
    the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel wheel
    and a steel rail?

    Maybe they put tyres on them

    Hm.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gummibereifung_der_metro.JPG#/media/Fil
    e:Gummibereifung_der_metro.JPG

    Yeah, I know about rubber tyred metros, I was joking.

    With modern traction control systems rubber tyres are pretty redundant for metros I suspect which is no bad thing given how inefficient they are.


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  • From Bob@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, September 09, 2026 16:58:15
    On 09/09/2026 10:31, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 12:46:21 +0100
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> gabbled:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months
    after their temporary withdrawal from service.


    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-
    enters-pass
    enger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip
    between the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel
    wheel and a steel rail?

    Maybe they put tyres on them ;)

    Seriously, how TF can it take 10 months to sort braking issues on a train?
    As the issue is specifically one of braking performance, some form of
    track brake would be the obvious candidate. Given the DLR has a lot of technical standards in common with German tram-derived systems, tram
    style track brakes are probably not out of the question.

    Robin

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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, September 09, 2026 18:16:22
    <boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 12:46:21 +0100
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> gabbled:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months
    after their temporary withdrawal from service.


    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-enters-pass
    enger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip between
    the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel wheel
    and a steel rail?

    Maybe they put tyres on them ;)

    Seriously, how TF can it take 10 months to sort braking issues on a train?


    Yes everything seems to take three times as long as it should these days.
    No doubt it involved software engineers, lawyers, Spanish translators, accountants, H&S bods as well as the actual braking specialists.


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  • From boltar@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, September 10, 2026 15:07:16
    On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 16:58:15 +0200
    Bob <nospam@gmail.com> gabbled:
    On 09/09/2026 10:31, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 12:46:21 +0100
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> gabbled:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months >>>> after their temporary withdrawal from service.


    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-
    enters-pass
    enger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip
    between the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel
    wheel and a steel rail?

    Maybe they put tyres on them ;)

    Seriously, how TF can it take 10 months to sort braking issues on a train? >As the issue is specifically one of braking performance, some form of
    track brake would be the obvious candidate. Given the DLR has a lot of >technical standards in common with German tram-derived systems, tram
    style track brakes are probably not out of the question.

    They shouldn't need them as all the previous DLR stocks have performed without any issues. I doubt its a hardware - ie wheel to rail - issue, far more likely to be dodgy brake controller software.


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  • From ColinR@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, September 10, 2026 16:27:37
    On 10/09/2026 16:07, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 16:58:15 +0200
    Bob <nospam@gmail.com> gabbled:
    On 09/09/2026 10:31, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 12:46:21 +0100
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> gabbled:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten
    months
    after their temporary withdrawal from service.


    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-
    enters-pass
    enger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip
    between the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel
    wheel and a steel rail?

    Maybe they put tyres on them ;)

    Seriously, how TF can it take 10 months to sort braking issues on a
    train?
    As the issue is specifically one of braking performance, some form of
    track brake would be the obvious candidate. Given the DLR has a lot of
    technical standards in common with German tram-derived systems, tram
    style track brakes are probably not out of the question.

    They shouldn't need them as all the previous DLR stocks have performed without
    any issues. I doubt its a hardware - ie wheel to rail - issue, far more likely
    to be dodgy brake controller software.

    Good point!

    --
    Colin


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  • From Arthur Conan Doyle@3:633/10 to All on Friday, September 11, 2026 10:49:11
    A slightly different re-entry question... Years ago when DLR first opened, the SO & I rode to the last station and stayed on the train. An agent approached and
    informed us that this was the end of the line. We said we knew, we wanted to ride back to Canary Wharf. Agent shrugged and walked away. Always wondered if we
    were supposed to gate out and reenter.

    --
    Usenet: The world's first (and best) social network.

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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Friday, September 11, 2026 16:07:31
    Arthur Conan Doyle <dont@bother.com> wrote:
    A slightly different re-entry question... Years ago when DLR first opened, the
    SO & I rode to the last station and stayed on the train. An agent approached and
    informed us that this was the end of the line. We said we knew, we wanted to ride back to Canary Wharf. Agent shrugged and walked away. Always wondered if we
    were supposed to gate out and reenter.


    Probably just wanted to make sure you knew it wasn?t going any further,

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  • From Graeme Wall@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, September 12, 2026 13:04:03
    On 08/09/2026 12:46, ColinR wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months
    after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-enters-passenger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip between
    the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel wheel
    and a steel rail?


    Magnadhesion!
    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.



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  • From ColinR@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, September 12, 2026 13:17:07
    On 12/09/2026 13:04, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 12:46, ColinR wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months
    after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-
    enters-passenger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip
    between the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel
    wheel and a steel rail?


    Magnadhesion!

    Showing your age!!

    --
    Colin


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  • From Marland@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 08:51:33
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
    On 12/09/2026 13:04, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 12:46, ColinR wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months >>>> after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re-
    enters-passenger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip
    between the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel
    wheel and a steel rail?


    Magnadhesion!

    Showing your age!!


    You can get a modern version , thin steel plates are laid under the track
    which nowadays is non magnetic nickel silver. Modern magnets that are
    strong enough to be ?in range? of the plates are attached to the Locos.


    GH

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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 08:58:09

    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> posted:

    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
    On 12/09/2026 13:04, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 12:46, ColinR wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months >>>> after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re- >>>> enters-passenger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip
    between the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel
    wheel and a steel rail?


    Magnadhesion!

    Showing your age!!


    You can get a modern version , thin steel plates are laid under the track which nowadays is non magnetic nickel silver. Modern magnets that are
    strong enough to be ?in range? of the plates are attached to the Locos.

    It's now about locos? Concrete ballast was/is used.

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  • From Graeme Wall@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 11:55:33
    On 13/09/2026 09:51, Marland wrote:
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
    On 12/09/2026 13:04, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 12:46, ColinR wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months >>>>> after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re- >>>>> enters-passenger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip
    between the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel
    wheel and a steel rail?


    Magnadhesion!

    Showing your age!!


    You can get a modern version , thin steel plates are laid under the track which nowadays is non magnetic nickel silver. Modern magnets that are
    strong enough to be ?in range? of the plates are attached to the Locos.



    Magnadhesion never worked for me as I had NS track. Still got a box full
    of Peco's finest in the cupboard.

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.



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  • From Marland@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 11:45:13
    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> posted:

    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
    On 12/09/2026 13:04, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 12:46, ColinR wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months >>>>>> after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re- >>>>>> enters-passenger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip
    between the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel
    wheel and a steel rail?


    Magnadhesion!

    Showing your age!!


    You can get a modern version , thin steel plates are laid under the track
    which nowadays is non magnetic nickel silver. Modern magnets that are
    strong enough to be ?in range? of the plates are attached to the Locos.

    It's now about locos? Concrete ballast was/is used.


    Occasionally Ulf your foreignness means you just haven?t a clue what people

    are referring to and your attempt to contribute makes you look a twat.

    GH

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  • From Marland@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 11:48:04
    Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    On 13/09/2026 09:51, Marland wrote:
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
    On 12/09/2026 13:04, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 12:46, ColinR wrote:
    On 08/09/2026 06:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    DLR's new B23 stock has re-entered service yesterday, almost ten months >>>>>> after their temporary withdrawal from service.

    <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/first-of-54-new-dlr-trains-re- >>>>>> enters-passenger-service-92371/>

    I am intrigued by one part of this article:
    "and the installation of equipment intended to improve the grip
    between the wheels and rails"

    Apart from sanders, how else do you increase grip between a steel
    wheel and a steel rail?


    Magnadhesion!

    Showing your age!!


    You can get a modern version , thin steel plates are laid under the track
    which nowadays is non magnetic nickel silver. Modern magnets that are
    strong enough to be ?in range? of the plates are attached to the Locos.



    Magnadhesion never worked for me as I had NS track. Still got a box full
    of Peco's finest in the cupboard.


    I found it had an annoying habit of collecting debri like a steel pin which shorted a wheel to the live chassis.

    GH


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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 13:29:28
    In message <ngngm9Fa5duU1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:45:13 on Sun, 13
    Sep 2026, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:

    makes you look a twat

    Do AI-bots care if they look like a twat?
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Monday, September 14, 2026 07:22:49

    Perrybot posted:


    Do AI-bots care if they look like a twat?

    Yours doesn't.

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