EMR don?t seem to have a problem filling their trains. 1st seems popular.
So why bother to be nice to the passengers.
That said, the onboard crew are pretty good and cheerful. I?d rather they >went back to an earlier philosophy, decent food but you had to pay for it.
I?d rather they went back to an earlier philosophy, decent food
but you had to pay for it. Profit centres are generally better than >>>centres.
Not sure that would generate profit.
It does for low cost airlines. They see catering as a method of offsetting >the cost of cabin staff that they are legally required to provide. Whether >that?s achievable on a relatively short duration train trip is an
interesting question.
I wonder if a branded offering might make sense, as BA did with M&S?
The partner provides a range of popular items, and might even pay
part of the wages of the catering staff member.
I suspect the demise of 1st class business travellers on expenses and the >rise of 1st class leisure travellers will doom any paid for idea.
In message <116envs$1tedk$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:10:36 on Sun, 23 Aug
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
I?d rather they went back to an earlier philosophy, decent food
but you had to pay for it. Profit centres are generally better than >>>centres.
Not sure that would generate profit.
It does for low cost airlines. They see catering as a method of offsetting >the cost of cabin staff that they are legally required to provide. Whether >that?s achievable on a relatively short duration train trip is an >interesting question.
Low cost airlines generally make œ5 profit per person per seat, so
selling food/drinks and duty free is quite important to maintain that margin. I used to be a big fan of BMI-Baby's bacon butties, which they managed to serve on a flight as short as 50 minutes in the air.
In message <116es0i$1un5n$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:19:14 on Sun, 23 Aug
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
I wonder if a branded offering might make sense, as BA did with M&S?
Theÿ partner provides a range of popular items, andÿ might even pay
part of the wages of the catering staff member.
I suspect the demise of 1st class business travellers on expenses and the
rise of 1st class leisure travellers will doom any paid for idea.
I'm going on a railtour in a few week's time, and far prefer to bring my
own food and drink, than pay over œ100 for their on-board catering.
Still get free tea/coffee and savoury snacks.
Unusually, the operators this time want a œ10 corkage fee "per bottle",
but it doesn't mention what happens for cans of beer.
Or for cans of wine?
On 29/08/2026 12:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <116es0i$1un5n$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:19:14 on Sun, 23
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
I wonder if a branded offering might make sense, as BA did with
M&S? The? partner provides a range of popular items, and?might even
pay part of the wages of the catering staff member.
I suspect the demise of 1st class business travellers on expenses
and the rise of 1st class leisure travellers will doom any paid for
idea.
I'm going on a railtour in a few week's time, and far prefer to
bring my own food and drink, than pay over ?100 for their on-board
catering. Still get free tea/coffee and savoury snacks.
Unusually, the operators this time want a ?10 corkage fee "per
bottle", but it doesn't mention what happens for cans of beer.
Or for cans of wine?
Clive Page <clive.g.page@gmail.com> wrote:
Or for cans of wine?
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
In message <116uvlh$34jai$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:59:43 on Sat, 29 Aug
2026, Clive Page <clive.g.page@gmail.com> remarked:
On 29/08/2026 12:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <116es0i$1un5n$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:19:14 on Sun, 23
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
I wonder if a branded offering might make sense, as BA did with
M&S? Theÿ partner provides a range of popular items, andÿmight even
pay part of the wages of the catering staff member.
I suspect the demise of 1st class business travellers on expenses
and the rise of 1st class leisure travellers will doom any paid for
idea.
I'm going on a railtour in a few week's time, and far prefer to
bring my own food and drink, than pay over œ100 for their on-board
catering. Still get free tea/coffee and savoury snacks.
Unusually, the operators this time want a œ10 corkage fee "per
bottle", but it doesn't mention what happens for cans of beer.
Or for cans of wine?
Indeed. On such trips I often pack 187/200ml cans or bottles.
In message <3BDkS.703$L5m1.693@fx13.ams1>, at 16:15:59 on Sat, 29 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Clive Page <clive.g.page@gmail.com> wrote:
Or for cans of wine?
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering
Which I read earlier, says "œ10 per person per bottle".
Seems a bit unfair to charge a couple bringing one bottle, œ20; or do
they just need a better proof-reader?
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <3BDkS.703$L5m1.693@fx13.ams1>, at 16:15:59 on Sat, 29 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Clive Page <clive.g.page@gmail.com> wrote:
Or for cans of wine?
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering
Which I read earlier, says "œ10 per person per bottle".
Seems a bit unfair to charge a couple bringing one bottle, œ20; or do
they just need a better proof-reader?
Recliner?s link just says œ10 per person, and doesn?t mention the bottle.
œ40 seems a bit steep for a table of 4 sharing a bottle, but if it doesn?t increase with the number of bottles might be worth investigating.
On 30/08/2026 22:20, Sam Wilson wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <3BDkS.703$L5m1.693@fx13.ams1>, at 16:15:59 on Sat, 29 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Clive Page <clive.g.page@gmail.com> wrote:
Or for cans of wine?
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering
Which I read earlier, says "œ10 per person per bottle".
Seems a bit unfair to charge a couple bringing one bottle, œ20; or do
they just need a better proof-reader?
Recliner?s link just says œ10 per person, and doesn?t mention the bottle.
œ40 seems a bit steep for a table of 4 sharing a bottle, but if it doesn?t >> increase with the number of bottles might be worth investigating.
One page says per person, and another per bottle. I note that no limit
on the size of bottle is mentioned, nor is a charge for drinks arriving
in other types of vessel.
On 30/08/2026 22:20, Sam Wilson wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <3BDkS.703$L5m1.693@fx13.ams1>, at 16:15:59 on Sat, 29 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Clive Page <clive.g.page@gmail.com> wrote:
Or for cans of wine?
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering
Which I read earlier, says "œ10 per person per bottle".
Seems a bit unfair to charge a couple bringing one bottle, œ20; or do
they just need a better proof-reader?
Recliner?s link just says œ10 per person, and doesn?t mention the bottle.
œ40 seems a bit steep for a table of 4 sharing a bottle, but if it doesn?t >> increase with the number of bottles might be worth investigating.
One page says per person, and another per bottle. I note that no limit
on the size of bottle is mentioned, nor is a charge for drinks arriving
in other types of vessel.
On 2026-08-30 3:21 p.m., Certes wrote:
On 30/08/2026 22:20, Sam Wilson wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <3BDkS.703$L5m1.693@fx13.ams1>, at 16:15:59 on Sat, 29 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Clive Page <clive.g.page@gmail.com> wrote:
Or for cans of wine?
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering
Which I read earlier, says "œ10 per person per bottle".
Seems a bit unfair to charge a couple bringing one bottle, œ20; or do
they just need a better proof-reader?
Recliner?s link just says œ10 per person, and doesn?t mention the bottle. >>> œ40 seems a bit steep for a table of 4 sharing a bottle, but if it doesn?t >>> increase with the number of bottles might be worth investigating.
One page says per person, and another per bottle. I note that no limit
on the size of bottle is mentioned, nor is a charge for drinks arriving
in other types of vessel.
One link in fairness actually combines the description:
<https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering>
"A corkage fee of œ10 per person, per bottle will apply for alcohol not purchased on board, not including spirits which must be purchased on board."
On 30/08/2026 22:20, Sam Wilson wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <3BDkS.703$L5m1.693@fx13.ams1>, at 16:15:59 on Sat, 29 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Clive Page <clive.g.page@gmail.com> wrote:
Or for cans of wine?
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering
Which I read earlier, says "œ10 per person per bottle".
Seems a bit unfair to charge a couple bringing one bottle, œ20; or do
they just need a better proof-reader?
Recliner?s link just says œ10 per person, and doesn?t mention
the bottle.
œ40 seems a bit steep for a table of 4 sharing a bottle, but if it doesn?t >> increase with the number of bottles might be worth investigating.
One page says per person, and another per bottle. I note that no limit
on the size of bottle is mentioned,
nor is a charge for drinks arriving in other types of vessel.
<https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering>
"A corkage fee of œ10 per person, per bottle will apply for alcohol not
purchased on board, not including spirits which must be purchased on board." >>
That?s almost certainly superseded by:
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
?A fully licensed bar service is always available, we kindly ask passengers >not to bring their own alcoholic drinks. A corkage fee of œ10 per person
will apply for alcohol not purchased on board.?
I wouldn?t dream of taking my own food and drink on a dining train like
that.
If I couldn?t afford to do it properly, I wouldn?t do it all.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <3BDkS.703$L5m1.693@fx13.ams1>, at 16:15:59 on Sat, 29 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Clive Page <clive.g.page@gmail.com> wrote:
Or for cans of wine?
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering
Which I read earlier, says "œ10 per person per bottle".
Seems a bit unfair to charge a couple bringing one bottle, œ20; or do
they just need a better proof-reader?
Recliner?s link just says œ10 per person, and doesn?t mention the bottle.
œ40 seems a bit steep for a table of 4 sharing a bottle, but if it doesn?t >increase with the number of bottles might be worth investigating.
In message <_P4lS.446$_QYf.164@fx12.ams1>, at 01:31:38 on Mon, 31 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
<https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering>
"A corkage fee of œ10 per person, per bottle will apply for alcohol not
purchased on board, not including spirits which must be purchased on board."
That?s almost certainly superseded by:
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
?A fully licensed bar service is always available, we kindly ask passengers >not to bring their own alcoholic drinks. A corkage fee of œ10 per person >will apply for alcohol not purchased on board.?
That's for the fully-catered seats.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:
In message <_P4lS.446$_QYf.164@fx12.ams1>, at 01:31:38 on Mon, 31 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
<https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering>
"A corkage fee of œ10 per person, per bottle will apply for alcohol not >> >> purchased on board, not including spirits which must be purchased
on board."
That?s almost certainly superseded by:
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
?A fully licensed bar service is always available, we kindly ask
passengers
not to bring their own alcoholic drinks. A corkage fee of œ10 per person
will apply for alcohol not purchased on board.?
That's for the fully-catered seats.
I wouldn't call this fully:
"includes morning tea or coffee with a bacon/breakfast roll
and a Danish pastry and an afternoon service of tea or coffee
with a savoury of the day followed by scone with butter and jam."
In message <1788157863-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 06:31:03 on Mon, 31 Aug 2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:
In message <_P4lS.446$_QYf.164@fx12.ams1>, at 01:31:38 on Mon, 31 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
<https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering>
"A corkage fee of œ10 per person, per bottle will apply for alcohol not >> >> purchased on board, not including spirits which must be purchased
on board."
That?s almost certainly superseded by:
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
?A fully licensed bar service is always available, we kindly ask
passengers
not to bring their own alcoholic drinks. A corkage fee of œ10 per person >> >will apply for alcohol not purchased on board.?
That's for the fully-catered seats.
I wouldn't call this fully:
"includes morning tea or coffee with a bacon/breakfast roll
and a Danish pastry and an afternoon service of tea or coffee
with a savoury of the day followed by scone with butter and jam."
That's because you've quoted the wrong paragraph. Go back and look at "Premier Dining Class".
<https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering>
"A corkage fee of œ10 per person, per bottle will apply for alcohol not
purchased on board, not including spirits which must be purchased
on board."
That?s almost certainly superseded by:
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
?A fully licensed bar service is always available, we kindly ask
passengers
not to bring their own alcoholic drinks. A corkage fee of œ10 per person >> >> >will apply for alcohol not purchased on board.?
That's for the fully-catered seats.
I wouldn't call this fully:
"includes morning tea or coffee with a bacon/breakfast roll
and a Danish pastry and an afternoon service of tea or coffee
with a savoury of the day followed by scone with butter and jam."
That's because you've quoted the wrong paragraph. Go back and look at
"Premier Dining Class".
Go back to the children's playground immediately.
In message <1788160378-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 07:12:58 on Mon, 31 Aug 2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:
<https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-catering>
"A corkage fee of œ10 per person, per bottle will apply for alcohol not
purchased on board, not including spirits which must be purchased
on board."
That?s almost certainly superseded by:
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
?A fully licensed bar service is always available, we kindly ask
passengers
not to bring their own alcoholic drinks. A corkage fee of œ10 per person
will apply for alcohol not purchased on board.?
That's for the fully-catered seats.
I wouldn't call this fully:
"includes morning tea or coffee with a bacon/breakfast roll
and a Danish pastry and an afternoon service of tea or coffee
with a savoury of the day followed by scone with butter and jam."
That's because you've quoted the wrong paragraph. Go back and look at
"Premier Dining Class".
Go back to the children's playground immediately.
Why,
is there where I'd find *you* ?
That?s almost certainly superseded by:
https://www.railwaytouring.net/day-trip-information
?A fully licensed bar service is always available, we kindly ask
passengers
not to bring their own alcoholic drinks. A corkage fee of œ10 per person
will apply for alcohol not purchased on board.?
That's for the fully-catered seats.
I wouldn't call this fully:
"includes morning tea or coffee with a bacon/breakfast roll
and a Danish pastry and an afternoon service of tea or coffee
with a savoury of the day followed by scone with butter and jam."
That's because you've quoted the wrong paragraph. Go back and look at
"Premier Dining Class".
Go back to the children's playground immediately.
Why,
Because you are too silly to read & understand.
In message <Zk2lS.387$sG63.212@fx16.ams1>, at 22:42:01 on Sun, 30 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I wouldn?t dream of taking my own food and drink on a dining train like >>that.
It's not a dining-train, though. It's a train where *some* of the
carriages have full dining service, and depending on the rake, not
even a majority of them.
If I couldn?t afford to do it properly, I wouldn?t do it all.
There's nothing improper about travelling in the carriages without
full dining service, as evidenced by the firm offering those other
classes of travel.
In message <gqwj+tD8CRlqFAdN@perry.uk>, at 06:27:24 on Mon, 31 Aug 2026, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> remarked:
In message <Zk2lS.387$sG63.212@fx16.ams1>, at 22:42:01 on Sun, 30 Aug >2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I wouldn?t dream of taking my own food and drink on a dining train like >>that.
It's not a dining-train, though. It's a train where *some* of the >carriages have full dining service, and depending on the rake, not
even a majority of them.
If I couldn?t afford to do it properly, I wouldn?t do it all.
There's nothing improper about travelling in the carriages without
full dining service, as evidenced by the firm offering those other
classes of travel.
The consist has now been published:
Premier Class: 3 carriages
First Class: 2 carriages
Standard: 3 carriages
And given Standard is 2+2 (not 2+1),
There's nothing improper about travelling in the carriages without
full dining service, as evidenced by the firm offering those other
classes of travel.
The consist has now been published:
Premier Class: 3 carriages
First Class: 2 carriages
Standard: 3 carriages
And given Standard is 2+2 (not 2+1),
No (3+0)+(3+0)?
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