• BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Ding

    From JMB99@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 13:06:48
    Subject: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    BBC News



    New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    3 hours ago

    AI-powered safety cameras have been installed at level crossings
    described as being among the worst in Scotland for trespassing incidents.

    Network Rail said people were using a railway bridge over the River
    Peffery in Dingwall as a shortcut between the town's Canal North and
    South level crossings.



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crelzdny2pxo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss

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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 14:01:30
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    In message <110bk0o$nivn$2@dont-email.me>, at 13:06:48 on Wed, 10 Jun
    2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
    BBC News

    New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    3 hours ago

    AI-powered safety cameras have been installed at level crossings
    described as being among the worst in Scotland for trespassing
    incidents.

    Network Rail said people were using a railway bridge over the River
    Peffery in Dingwall as a shortcut between the town's Canal North and
    South level crossings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crelzdny2pxo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss

    Why don't the level crossings have the regular anti-pedestrian panels on
    the ground?
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Certes@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 17:02:14
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    On 10/06/2026 13:06, JMB99 wrote:
    BBC News

    New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    ÿÿÿ 3 hours ago

    AI-powered safety cameras have been installed at level crossings
    described as being among the worst in Scotland for trespassing incidents.

    Network Rail said people were using a railway bridge over the River
    Peffery in Dingwall as a shortcut between the town's Canal North and
    South level crossings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crelzdny2pxo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges. (Bizarrely, the junction
    between the Wick and Kyle lines is just south of the river.)

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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 17:04:55
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:

    On 10/06/2026 13:06, JMB99 wrote:
    BBC News

    New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    ÿÿÿ 3 hours ago

    AI-powered safety cameras have been installed at level crossings
    described as being among the worst in Scotland for trespassing incidents.

    Network Rail said people were using a railway bridge over the River
    Peffery in Dingwall as a shortcut between the town's Canal North and
    South level crossings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crelzdny2pxo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges. (Bizarrely, the junction
    between the Wick and Kyle lines is just south of the river.)

    Of course, it wasn't always a junction. They were two separate lines, owned by competing companies, that simply crossed
    over each other there.

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  • From Certes@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 17:22:43
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    On 10/06/2026 17:04, Recliner wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:

    On 10/06/2026 13:06, JMB99 wrote:
    BBC News

    New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    ÿÿÿ 3 hours ago

    AI-powered safety cameras have been installed at level crossings
    described as being among the worst in Scotland for trespassing incidents. >>>
    Network Rail said people were using a railway bridge over the River
    Peffery in Dingwall as a shortcut between the town's Canal North and
    South level crossings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crelzdny2pxo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges. (Bizarrely, the junction
    between the Wick and Kyle lines is just south of the river.)

    Of course, it wasn't always a junction. They were two separate lines, owned by competing companies, that simply crossed
    over each other there.

    Did they? Technically they were built by separate companies but both
    were operated by the Highland Railway and shared a station at Dingwall.

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  • From ColinR@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 17:27:45
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    On 10/06/2026 17:04, Recliner wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:

    On 10/06/2026 13:06, JMB99 wrote:
    BBC News

    New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    ÿÿÿ 3 hours ago

    AI-powered safety cameras have been installed at level crossings
    described as being among the worst in Scotland for trespassing incidents. >>>
    Network Rail said people were using a railway bridge over the River
    Peffery in Dingwall as a shortcut between the town's Canal North and
    South level crossings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crelzdny2pxo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges. (Bizarrely, the junction
    between the Wick and Kyle lines is just south of the river.)

    Of course, it wasn't always a junction. They were two separate lines, owned by competing companies, that simply crossed
    over each other there.

    Not sure about that, both branches were Highland Railway: https://www.railmaponline.com/uk-and-irish-railways.html?lat=53.53306&lng=-2.38792#

    As far as I can see the other "Dingwall" railway never actually reached Dingwall: https://www.railscot.co.uk/companies/C/Cromarty_and_Dingwall_Light_Railway/

    --
    Colin



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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 17:23:00
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
    On 10/06/2026 17:04, Recliner wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:

    On 10/06/2026 13:06, JMB99 wrote:
    BBC News

    New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    ÿÿÿ 3 hours ago

    AI-powered safety cameras have been installed at level crossings
    described as being among the worst in Scotland for trespassing incidents. >>>>
    Network Rail said people were using a railway bridge over the River
    Peffery in Dingwall as a shortcut between the town's Canal North and
    South level crossings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crelzdny2pxo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges. (Bizarrely, the junction
    between the Wick and Kyle lines is just south of the river.)

    Of course, it wasn't always a junction. They were two separate lines,
    owned by competing companies, that simply crossed
    over each other there.

    Not sure about that, both branches were Highland Railway: https://www.railmaponline.com/uk-and-irish-railways.html?lat=53.53306&lng=-2.38792#

    As far as I can see the other "Dingwall" railway never actually reached Dingwall: https://www.railscot.co.uk/companies/C/Cromarty_and_Dingwall_Light_Railway/


    Sorry, my fault, I was getting my locations confused!


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  • From Mike Humphrey@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 19:22:34
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes wrote:

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges.

    I'm pretty sure it's only one bridge with two tracks on it.
    The footbridge further down the canal cost "upwards of œ100,000" to
    replace - while this might be a little cheaper if it can be supported the
    rail bridge, and there's no existing bridge to remove, it's probably in
    the same ballpark.

    The simplest solution would seem to be to allow pedestrians to use the
    bridge, and install warning lamps. All trains stop at Dingwall - even non- passenger ones need to exchange tokens - so it's not a high speed line.


    (Bizarrely, the junction between the Wick and Kyle lines is just
    south of the river.)

    Not that bizarre really. The junction has actually moved north - the 1906
    25in map shows both lines running parallel further south, almost to the
    signal box at the sidings - so having the junction there allowed one box
    to control the junction, sidings, and the north end of the station.
    There's another box shown at the other end of the station, presumably controlling the south end of the station, the goods yard, and the engine
    shed.

    Mike

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  • From Anna Noyd-Dryver@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 21:00:53
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <110bk0o$nivn$2@dont-email.me>, at 13:06:48 on Wed, 10 Jun
    2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
    BBC News

    New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    3 hours ago

    AI-powered safety cameras have been installed at level crossings
    described as being among the worst in Scotland for trespassing
    incidents.

    Network Rail said people were using a railway bridge over the River
    Peffery in Dingwall as a shortcut between the town's Canal North and
    South level crossings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crelzdny2pxo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss

    Why don't the level crossings have the regular anti-pedestrian panels on
    the ground?

    They're not actually particularly difficult to get across.


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  • From Anna Noyd-Dryver@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 21:00:54
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Roland Perry wrote:

    Why don't the level crossings have the regular anti-pedestrian panels on
    the ground?

    The photo (on the BBC wwbsite, but from the NR site) shows they do have
    the arris rail style of anti-pedestrian measures installed, maybe fix
    pointy spikes on the front of the trains?


    The article doesn't actually mention that the Dingwall trespassers were
    there when a train was also there (it specifically mentions a different trespass incident in Inverness where that was the case).

    The nearest river crossings seem to be 500m away in one direction and 800m
    in the other direction; perhaps the solution would be to add a footpath to
    the bridge, since there's obviously a demand/desire for people to be able
    to walk there?


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  • From Anna Noyd-Dryver@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 21:00:56
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:

    On 10/06/2026 13:06, JMB99 wrote:
    BBC News

    New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    ÿÿÿ 3 hours ago

    AI-powered safety cameras have been installed at level crossings
    described as being among the worst in Scotland for trespassing incidents. >>>
    Network Rail said people were using a railway bridge over the River
    Peffery in Dingwall as a shortcut between the town's Canal North and
    South level crossings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crelzdny2pxo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges. (Bizarrely, the junction
    between the Wick and Kyle lines is just south of the river.)

    Of course, it wasn't always a junction. They were two separate lines,
    owned by competing companies, that simply crossed
    over each other there.


    <https://www.railmaponline.com/uk-and-irish-railways> disagrees.


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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 21:49:59
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:

    On 10/06/2026 13:06, JMB99 wrote:
    BBC News

    New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    ÿÿÿ 3 hours ago

    AI-powered safety cameras have been installed at level crossings
    described as being among the worst in Scotland for trespassing incidents. >>>>
    Network Rail said people were using a railway bridge over the River
    Peffery in Dingwall as a shortcut between the town's Canal North and
    South level crossings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crelzdny2pxo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges. (Bizarrely, the junction
    between the Wick and Kyle lines is just south of the river.)

    Of course, it wasn't always a junction. They were two separate lines,
    owned by competing companies, that simply crossed
    over each other there.


    <https://www.railmaponline.com/uk-and-irish-railways> disagrees.

    Yes, I?ve already said upthread that I?d got mixed up.


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  • From Anna Noyd-Dryver@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 11, 2026 11:13:48
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:

    On 10/06/2026 13:06, JMB99 wrote:
    BBC News

    New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    ÿÿÿ 3 hours ago

    AI-powered safety cameras have been installed at level crossings
    described as being among the worst in Scotland for trespassing incidents. >>>>>
    Network Rail said people were using a railway bridge over the River >>>>> Peffery in Dingwall as a shortcut between the town's Canal North and >>>>> South level crossings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crelzdny2pxo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges. (Bizarrely, the junction
    between the Wick and Kyle lines is just south of the river.)

    Of course, it wasn't always a junction. They were two separate lines,
    owned by competing companies, that simply crossed
    over each other there.


    <https://www.railmaponline.com/uk-and-irish-railways> disagrees.

    Yes, I?ve already said upthread that I?d got mixed up.



    Crianlarich?


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  • From Certes@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 11, 2026 12:26:31
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    On 10/06/2026 20:22, Mike Humphrey wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes wrote:

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges.

    I'm pretty sure it's only one bridge with two tracks on it.
    A very grainy Google Maps image seems to agree with you. The single
    track north from Dingwall station forks before the bridge but the two
    lines run parallel over it before diverging to Wick and Kyle. It may
    even be possible to move the junction north and replace one of those
    lines by a footpath without widening the bridge, if that costs less.

    The footbridge further down the canal cost "upwards of œ100,000" to
    replace - while this might be a little cheaper if it can be supported the rail bridge, and there's no existing bridge to remove, it's probably in
    the same ballpark.
    You're probably right. It's just some planks hung off the bridge side
    and a handrail, but everything rail-related costs millions nowadays.

    The simplest solution would seem to be to allow pedestrians to use the bridge, and install warning lamps. All trains stop at Dingwall - even non- passenger ones need to exchange tokens - so it's not a high speed line.
    That's an interesting idea. Are there precedents for that sort of thing
    on National Rail? I'm aware of road and heritage rail sharing a bridge
    on The Cob at Porthmadog, and historical cases such as Connel Bridge.

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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 11, 2026 12:00:16
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote: >>>>
    On 10/06/2026 13:06, JMB99 wrote:
    BBC News

    New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    ÿÿÿ 3 hours ago

    AI-powered safety cameras have been installed at level crossings
    described as being among the worst in Scotland for trespassing incidents.

    Network Rail said people were using a railway bridge over the River >>>>>> Peffery in Dingwall as a shortcut between the town's Canal North and >>>>>> South level crossings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crelzdny2pxo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the >>>>> side of one of the two adjacent bridges. (Bizarrely, the junction
    between the Wick and Kyle lines is just south of the river.)

    Of course, it wasn't always a junction. They were two separate lines,
    owned by competing companies, that simply crossed
    over each other there.


    <https://www.railmaponline.com/uk-and-irish-railways> disagrees.

    Yes, I?ve already said upthread that I?d got mixed up.



    Crianlarich?


    Yup! I was guilty of the sin of not reading the post I was replying to properly.


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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 11, 2026 12:13:41
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall


    Certes <Certes@example.org> posted:

    On 10/06/2026 20:22, Mike Humphrey wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes wrote:

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges.

    I'm pretty sure it's only one bridge with two tracks on it.
    A very grainy Google Maps image seems to agree with you. The single
    track north from Dingwall station forks before the bridge but the two
    lines run

    more or less

    parallel over it before diverging to Wick and Kyle. It may
    even be possible to move the junction north and replace one of those
    lines by a footpath without widening the bridge, if that costs less.

    Hm. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dingwall_Junction_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1759903.jpg

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  • From Bevan Price@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 11, 2026 20:34:17
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    On 11/06/2026 12:26, Certes wrote:
    On 10/06/2026 20:22, Mike Humphrey wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes wrote:

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges.

    I'm pretty sure it's only one bridge with two tracks on it.
    A very grainy Google Maps image seems to agree with you.ÿ The single
    track north from Dingwall station forks before the bridge but the two
    lines run parallel over it before diverging to Wick and Kyle.ÿ It may
    even be possible to move the junction north and replace one of those
    lines by a footpath without widening the bridge, if that costs less.

    The footbridge further down the canal cost "upwards of œ100,000" to
    replace - while this might be a little cheaper if it can be supported the
    rail bridge, and there's no existing bridge to remove, it's probably in
    the same ballpark.
    You're probably right.ÿ It's just some planks hung off the bridge side
    and a handrail, but everything rail-related costs millions nowadays.

    The simplest solution would seem to be to allow pedestrians to use the
    bridge, and install warning lamps. All trains stop at Dingwall - even
    non-
    passenger ones need to exchange tokens - so it's not a high speed line.
    That's an interesting idea.ÿ Are there precedents for that sort of thing
    on National Rail?ÿ I'm aware of road and heritage rail sharing a bridge
    on The Cob at Porthmadog, and historical cases such as Connel Bridge.

    The Runcorn/Widnes railway bridge has a footpath on its eastern side,
    but it was closed to the public when the adjacent road bridge was opened
    to replace the old transporter bridge in the 1950s.


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  • From Certes@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 11, 2026 22:32:55
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    On 11/06/2026 20:34, Bevan Price wrote:
    On 11/06/2026 12:26, Certes wrote:
    On 10/06/2026 20:22, Mike Humphrey wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes wrote:

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the
    side of one of the two adjacent bridges.

    I'm pretty sure it's only one bridge with two tracks on it.
    A very grainy Google Maps image seems to agree with you.ÿ The single
    track north from Dingwall station forks before the bridge but the two
    lines run parallel over it before diverging to Wick and Kyle.ÿ It may
    even be possible to move the junction north and replace one of those
    lines by a footpath without widening the bridge, if that costs less.

    The footbridge further down the canal cost "upwards of œ100,000" to
    replace - while this might be a little cheaper if it can be supported
    the
    rail bridge, and there's no existing bridge to remove, it's probably in
    the same ballpark.
    You're probably right.ÿ It's just some planks hung off the bridge side
    and a handrail, but everything rail-related costs millions nowadays.

    The simplest solution would seem to be to allow pedestrians to use the
    bridge, and install warning lamps. All trains stop at Dingwall - even
    non-
    passenger ones need to exchange tokens - so it's not a high speed line.
    That's an interesting idea.ÿ Are there precedents for that sort of thing
    on National Rail?ÿ I'm aware of road and heritage rail sharing a bridge
    on The Cob at Porthmadog, and historical cases such as Connel Bridge.

    The Runcorn/Widnes railway bridge has a footpath on its eastern side,
    but it was closed to the public when the adjacent road bridge was opened
    to replace the old transporter bridge in the 1950s.

    I'm sure there are plenty of bridges with a footpath beside a railway.
    They were even planning a particularly ornate one for Camden. I was
    wondering whether there is anywhere that trains and pedestrians share
    a track, regulated by lights or similar signals, other than the obvious
    level crossings where the routes are perpendicular rather than parallel.


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  • From Anna Noyd-Dryver@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 11, 2026 22:51:25
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
    On 11/06/2026 20:34, Bevan Price wrote:
    On 11/06/2026 12:26, Certes wrote:
    On 10/06/2026 20:22, Mike Humphrey wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes wrote:

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the >>>>> side of one of the two adjacent bridges.

    I'm pretty sure it's only one bridge with two tracks on it.
    A very grainy Google Maps image seems to agree with you.ÿ The single
    track north from Dingwall station forks before the bridge but the two
    lines run parallel over it before diverging to Wick and Kyle.ÿ It may
    even be possible to move the junction north and replace one of those
    lines by a footpath without widening the bridge, if that costs less.

    The footbridge further down the canal cost "upwards of œ100,000" to
    replace - while this might be a little cheaper if it can be supported >>>> the
    rail bridge, and there's no existing bridge to remove, it's probably in >>>> the same ballpark.
    You're probably right.ÿ It's just some planks hung off the bridge side
    and a handrail, but everything rail-related costs millions nowadays.

    The simplest solution would seem to be to allow pedestrians to use the >>>> bridge, and install warning lamps. All trains stop at Dingwall - even >>>> non-
    passenger ones need to exchange tokens - so it's not a high speed line. >>> That's an interesting idea.ÿ Are there precedents for that sort of thing >>> on National Rail?ÿ I'm aware of road and heritage rail sharing a bridge
    on The Cob at Porthmadog, and historical cases such as Connel Bridge.

    The Runcorn/Widnes railway bridge has a footpath on its eastern side,
    but it was closed to the public when the adjacent road bridge was opened
    to replace the old transporter bridge in the 1950s.

    I'm sure there are plenty of bridges with a footpath beside a railway.
    They were even planning a particularly ornate one for Camden. I was wondering whether there is anywhere that trains and pedestrians share
    a track, regulated by lights or similar signals, other than the obvious
    level crossings where the routes are perpendicular rather than parallel.



    I think if you were to effectively make the whole bridge a very wide foot crossing, then even with lights and sirens etc., you'd still have to make
    it into a AOCL, ie driver has to approach at a speed able to stop, and not proceed unless clear. You might even have to make it stop-and-proceed.

    It looks like linespeed over the bridge is only 20mph (I don't see a directional arrow under that sign in the image posted to this thread) so
    that might not be too great an imposition.

    Edit: <https://www.openrailwaymap.org> says I'm wrong, 65mph straight on; however the 15mph loop points are only 125m to the south, so that also
    wouldn't be a problem.


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  • From Graeme Wall@3:633/10 to All on Friday, June 12, 2026 09:18:43
    Subject: Re: BBC News: New AI cameras installed to deter railway trespassers in Dingwall

    On 11/06/2026 22:32, Certes wrote:
    On 11/06/2026 20:34, Bevan Price wrote:
    On 11/06/2026 12:26, Certes wrote:
    On 10/06/2026 20:22, Mike Humphrey wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:02:14 +0100, Certes wrote:

    I wonder how much it would cost to hang 40 yards of footpath off the >>>>> side of one of the two adjacent bridges.

    I'm pretty sure it's only one bridge with two tracks on it.
    A very grainy Google Maps image seems to agree with you.ÿ The single
    track north from Dingwall station forks before the bridge but the two
    lines run parallel over it before diverging to Wick and Kyle.ÿ It may
    even be possible to move the junction north and replace one of those
    lines by a footpath without widening the bridge, if that costs less.

    The footbridge further down the canal cost "upwards of œ100,000" to
    replace - while this might be a little cheaper if it can be
    supported the
    rail bridge, and there's no existing bridge to remove, it's probably in >>>> the same ballpark.
    You're probably right.ÿ It's just some planks hung off the bridge side
    and a handrail, but everything rail-related costs millions nowadays.

    The simplest solution would seem to be to allow pedestrians to use the >>>> bridge, and install warning lamps. All trains stop at Dingwall -
    even non-
    passenger ones need to exchange tokens - so it's not a high speed line. >>> That's an interesting idea.ÿ Are there precedents for that sort of thing >>> on National Rail?ÿ I'm aware of road and heritage rail sharing a bridge
    on The Cob at Porthmadog, and historical cases such as Connel Bridge.

    The Runcorn/Widnes railway bridge has a footpath on its eastern side,
    but it was closed to the public when the adjacent road bridge was
    opened to replace the old transporter bridge in the 1950s.

    I'm sure there are plenty of bridges with a footpath beside a railway.
    They were even planning a particularly ornate one for Camden.ÿ I was wondering whether there is anywhere that trains and pedestrians share
    a track, regulated by lights or similar signals, other than the obvious
    level crossings where the routes are perpendicular rather than parallel.


    The Weymouth Quay line came close, but didn't have signals to regulate
    the different traffics.
    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.



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