Just received an email that the Jacobite is operating again.
Just received an email that the Jacobite is operating again.
?Steam has returned to the Road to the Isles. From the foot of Ben Nevis to >the silver sands of Morar, the greatest railway journey in the world runs >every morning, with afternoons starting Wednesday 10 June.
Eighty-four miles of Highland line behind a working steam locomotive, in >vintage carriages, with First Class and Standard seating both on sale now. >Morning service runs every day until 23 October, and afternoon service
every day until 25 September.?
I think I might take issue with the claim that it is the greatest railway >journey in the world though.
Just received an email that the Jacobite is operating again.
?Steam has returned to the Road to the Isles. From the foot of Ben Nevis to the silver sands of Morar, the greatest railway journey in the world runs every morning, with afternoons starting Wednesday 10 June.
Eighty-four miles of Highland line behind a working steam locomotive, in vintage carriages, with First Class and Standard seating both on sale now. Morning service runs every day until 23 October, and afternoon service
every day until 25 September.?
I think I might take issue with the claim that it is the greatest railway journey in the world though.
On 09/06/2026 07:21, Tweed wrote:
Just received an email that the Jacobite is operating again.
?Steam has returned to the Road to the Isles. From the foot of Ben Nevis to >> the silver sands of Morar, the greatest railway journey in the world runs
every morning, with afternoons starting Wednesday 10 June.
Eighty-four miles of Highland line behind a working steam locomotive, in
vintage carriages, with First Class and Standard seating both on sale now. >> Morning service runs every day until 23 October, and afternoon service
every day until 25 September.?
I think I might take issue with the claim that it is the greatest railway
journey in the world though.
And very little, if any, advertising blurb can be considered to be fully >accurate! Most are biaised to promote their own brand / product etc!
On 09/06/2026 07:21, Tweed wrote:
Just received an email that the Jacobite is operating again.
?Steam has returned to the Road to the Isles. From the foot of Ben
Nevis to
the silver sands of Morar, the greatest railway journey in the world runs
every morning, with afternoons starting Wednesday 10 June.
Eighty-four miles of Highland line behind a working steam locomotive, in
vintage carriages, with First Class and Standard seating both on sale
now.
Morning service runs every day until 23 October, and afternoon service
every day until 25 September.?
I think I might take issue with the claim that it is the greatest railway
journey in the world though.
And very little, if any, advertising blurb can be considered to be fully accurate! Most are biaised to promote their own brand / product etc!
On 09/06/2026 14:55, ColinR wrote:
On 09/06/2026 07:21, Tweed wrote:
Just received an email that the Jacobite is operating again.
?Steam has returned to the Road to the Isles. From the foot of Ben
Nevis to
the silver sands of Morar, the greatest railway journey in the world runs >>> every morning, with afternoons starting Wednesday 10 June.
Eighty-four miles of Highland line behind a working steam locomotive, in >>> vintage carriages, with First Class and Standard seating both on sale
now.
Morning service runs every day until 23 October, and afternoon service
every day until 25 September.?
I think I might take issue with the claim that it is the greatest railway >>> journey in the world though.
And very little, if any, advertising blurb can be considered to be fully
accurate! Most are biaised to promote their own brand / product etc!
They're a mixture of fact, opinion, and opinion carefully disguised
as fact, the latter often containing vague claims such as "greatest".
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 14:55:15 +0100, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 07:21, Tweed wrote:
Just received an email that the Jacobite is operating again.
?Steam has returned to the Road to the Isles. From the foot of Ben Nevis to >>> the silver sands of Morar, the greatest railway journey in the world runs >>> every morning, with afternoons starting Wednesday 10 June.
Eighty-four miles of Highland line behind a working steam locomotive, in >>> vintage carriages, with First Class and Standard seating both on sale now. >>> Morning service runs every day until 23 October, and afternoon service
every day until 25 September.?
I think I might take issue with the claim that it is the greatest railway >>> journey in the world though.
And very little, if any, advertising blurb can be considered to be fully
accurate! Most are biaised to promote their own brand / product etc!
For sure, but I think UK railway enthusiasts have long been guilty of over-hyping the scenery in Britain. The Scottish
Highlands, or Settle-Carlisle line aren't really in the same league as
the spectacular Alpine railways of Switzerland,
Austria and Italy, other similar lines in Canada, New Zealand, France,
etc. Japan would be up there, too, but a lot of
the potentially spectacular lines are in tunnel.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 14:55:15 +0100, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 07:21, Tweed wrote:
Just received an email that the Jacobite is operating again.
?Steam has returned to the Road to the Isles. From the foot of Ben Nevis to
the silver sands of Morar, the greatest railway journey in the world runs >>>> every morning, with afternoons starting Wednesday 10 June.
Eighty-four miles of Highland line behind a working steam locomotive, in >>>> vintage carriages, with First Class and Standard seating both on sale now. >>>> Morning service runs every day until 23 October, and afternoon service >>>> every day until 25 September.?
I think I might take issue with the claim that it is the greatest railway >>>> journey in the world though.
And very little, if any, advertising blurb can be considered to be fully >>> accurate! Most are biaised to promote their own brand / product etc!
For sure, but I think UK railway enthusiasts have long been guilty of
over-hyping the scenery in Britain. The Scottish
Highlands, or Settle-Carlisle line aren't really in the same league as
the spectacular Alpine railways of Switzerland,
Austria and Italy, other similar lines in Canada, New Zealand, France,
etc. Japan would be up there, too, but a lot of
the potentially spectacular lines are in tunnel.
I found my trip on the Settle to Carlisle to be somewhat underwhelming. I >suspect it?s better to on the ground looking at the railway, rather than >being a passenger. I have similar feelings about steam hauled trips -
better to be a trackside observer than a passenger.
Just received an email that the Jacobite is operating again.
?Steam has returned to the Road to the Isles. From the foot of Ben Nevis to >the silver sands of Morar, the greatest railway journey in the world runs >every morning, with afternoons starting Wednesday 10 June.
Eighty-four miles of Highland line behind a working steam locomotive, in >vintage carriages, with First Class and Standard seating both on sale now. >Morning service runs every day until 23 October, and afternoon service
every day until 25 September.?
I think I might take issue with the claim that it is the greatest railway >journey in the world though.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:25 miles.
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 14:55:15 +0100, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 07:21, Tweed wrote:
Just received an email that the Jacobite is operating again.
?Steam has returned to the Road to the Isles. From the foot of Ben Nevis to
the silver sands of Morar, the greatest railway journey in the world runs >>>> every morning, with afternoons starting Wednesday 10 June.
Eighty-four miles of Highland line behind a working steam locomotive, in >>>> vintage carriages, with First Class and Standard seating both on sale now. >>>> Morning service runs every day until 23 October, and afternoon service >>>> every day until 25 September.?
I think I might take issue with the claim that it is the greatest railway >>>> journey in the world though.
And very little, if any, advertising blurb can be considered to be fully >>> accurate! Most are biaised to promote their own brand / product etc!
For sure, but I think UK railway enthusiasts have long been guilty of
over-hyping the scenery in Britain. The Scottish
Highlands, or Settle-Carlisle line aren't really in the same league as
the spectacular Alpine railways of Switzerland,
Austria and Italy, other similar lines in Canada, New Zealand, France,
etc. Japan would be up there, too, but a lot of
the potentially spectacular lines are in tunnel.
I found my trip on the Settle to Carlisle to be somewhat underwhelming. I suspect it?s better to on the ground looking at the railway, rather than being a passenger. I have similar feelings about steam hauled trips -
better to be a trackside observer than a passenger.
Especially as steam trains on heritage lines are restricted to speeds of
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 06:21:21 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Just received an email that the Jacobite is operating again.
?Steam has returned to the Road to the Isles. From the foot of Ben Nevis to >> the silver sands of Morar, the greatest railway journey in the world runs
every morning, with afternoons starting Wednesday 10 June.
Eighty-four miles of Highland line behind a working steam locomotive, in
vintage carriages, with First Class and Standard seating both on sale now. >> Morning service runs every day until 23 October, and afternoon service
every day until 25 September.?
I think I might take issue with the claim that it is the greatest railway
journey in the world though.
I remember from one of my courses that comparisons require caution but superlatives are usually okay.
They're a mixture of fact, opinion, and opinion carefully disguised
as fact, the latter often containing vague claims such as "greatest".
On 09/06/2026 15:23, Certes wrote:
They're a mixture of fact, opinion, and opinion carefully disguised
as fact, the latter often containing vague claims such as "greatest".
As above, all a matter of personal opinion but the advantage Britain has
it that we have a great variety of scenery.
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 15:23, Certes wrote:
They're a mixture of fact, opinion, and opinion carefully disguised
as fact, the latter often containing vague claims such as "greatest".
As above, all a matter of personal opinion but the advantage Britain has it that we have a great variety of scenery.
Ah, the mighty British mountain ranges topped by ancient but melting glaciers,
the towering British waterfalls, the great British Sandy Desert,
the huge British volcanic craters,
the mighty British Canyon,
And very little, if any, advertising blurb can be considered to be fully accurate! Most are biaised to promote their own brand / product etc!
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug. >> I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug. >>> I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a >> mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama >>>> and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a >>> mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed
through during the construction phases.
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama >>>> and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane
craft involved in the construction.
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama >>>>> and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a >>>> mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal? >>
through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane
craft involved in the construction.
Cristobal, a cement carrier had made
the crossing on 3rd August as a dress rehearsal for the formal opening
by the Ancona on the 15th.
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama >>>>>> and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed
through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane
craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama >>>>>>> and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed
through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane
craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed >>>>> through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make >>>> the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane
craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 06:21:21 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Just received an email that the Jacobite is operating again.
?Steam has returned to the Road to the Isles. From the foot of Ben Nevis to >>> the silver sands of Morar, the greatest railway journey in the world runs >>> every morning, with afternoons starting Wednesday 10 June.
Eighty-four miles of Highland line behind a working steam locomotive, in >>> vintage carriages, with First Class and Standard seating both on sale now. >>> Morning service runs every day until 23 October, and afternoon service
every day until 25 September.?
I think I might take issue with the claim that it is the greatest railway >>> journey in the world though.
I remember from one of my courses that comparisons require caution but
superlatives are usually okay.
That must have been a tremendous, incredible, beautiful, fantastic,
amazing, terrific course?..
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam. >>>>>>>>
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed >>>>>> through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make >>>>> the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane >>>>> craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
No, that was the day it finally completed the multi-stage journey that had been happening for months or years, as the various sections were opened.
That construction vessel had been involved in the routine construction and testing of each section.
On 11/06/2026 11:34, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam. >>>>>>>>>
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed >>>>>>> through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make >>>>>> the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane >>>>>> craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
No, that was the day it finally completed the multi-stage journey that had >> been happening for months or years, as the various sections were opened.
That construction vessel had been involved in the routine construction and >> testing of each section.
Not according to the author but then the book is around 50 years old.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 13:03:37 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 11:34, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam. >>>>>>>>>>
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed >>>>>>>> through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make >>>>>>> the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane >>>>>>> craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
No, that was the day it finally completed the multi-stage journey that had >>> been happening for months or years, as the various sections were opened. >>> That construction vessel had been involved in the routine construction and >>> testing of each section.
Not according to the author but then the book is around 50 years old.
What exact words does he use? For example, he might have said something like, "On 7th January 1914 the Alexandre de
Valley completed its crossing". That doesn't tell you how long it took.
On 11/06/2026 14:17, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 13:03:37 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 11:34, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam. >>>>>>>>>>>
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed >>>>>>>>> through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane >>>>>>>> craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
No, that was the day it finally completed the multi-stage journey that had >>>> been happening for months or years, as the various sections were opened. >>>> That construction vessel had been involved in the routine construction and >>>> testing of each section.
Not according to the author but then the book is around 50 years old.
What exact words does he use? For example, he might have said something like, "On 7th January 1914 the Alexandre de
Valley completed its crossing". That doesn't tell you how long it took.
Exact wording is: '?the French crane-boat "Alexander La Valley" was the >first steam vessel to make the passage on January 7, 1914.' So badly >worded.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:34:35 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 14:17, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 13:03:37 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 11:34, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam. >>>>>>>>>>>
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed
through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane
craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
No, that was the day it finally completed the multi-stage journey that had
been happening for months or years, as the various sections were opened. >>>> That construction vessel had been involved in the routine construction and
testing of each section.
Not according to the author but then the book is around 50 years old.
What exact words does he use? For example, he might have said something like, "On 7th January 1914 the Alexandre de
Valley completed its crossing". That doesn't tell you how long it took.
Exact wording is: '?the French crane-boat "Alexander La Valley" was the >first steam vessel to make the passage on January 7, 1914.' So badly >worded.
Yes, it's ambiguous. In any case, the Canal wasn't completed by January 2014
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:34:35 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 14:17, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 13:03:37 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 11:34, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam. >> >>>>>>>>>>>
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed
through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane
craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
No, that was the day it finally completed the multi-stage journey that had
been happening for months or years, as the various sections were opened.
That construction vessel had been involved in the routine construction and
testing of each section.
Not according to the author but then the book is around 50 years old.
What exact words does he use? For example, he might have said something like, "On 7th January 1914 the Alexandre de
Valley completed its crossing". That doesn't tell you how long it took. >> >>
Exact wording is: '?the French crane-boat "Alexander La Valley" was the
first steam vessel to make the passage on January 7, 1914.' So badly
worded.
Yes, it's ambiguous. In any case, the Canal wasn't completed by January 2014
I guess it was. Maybe it was widened later.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:07:33 GMT, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:34:35 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 14:17, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 13:03:37 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 11:34, Recliner wrote:What exact words does he use? For example, he might have said something like, "On 7th January 1914 the Alexandre de
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam. >> >>>>>>>>>>>
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed
through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane
craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
No, that was the day it finally completed the multi-stage journey that had
been happening for months or years, as the various sections were opened.
That construction vessel had been involved in the routine construction and
testing of each section.
Not according to the author but then the book is around 50 years old. >> >>
Valley completed its crossing". That doesn't tell you how long it took. >> >>
Exact wording is: '?the French crane-boat "Alexander La Valley" was the >> >first steam vessel to make the passage on January 7, 1914.' So badly
worded.
Yes, it's ambiguous. In any case, the Canal wasn't completed by January 2014
I guess it was. Maybe it was widened later.
No, the original Canal channels weren't widened after construction.
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug. >> I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:34:35 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 14:17, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 13:03:37 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 11:34, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed
through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane >>>>>>>>> craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
No, that was the day it finally completed the multi-stage journey that had
been happening for months or years, as the various sections were opened. >>>>> That construction vessel had been involved in the routine construction and
testing of each section.
Not according to the author but then the book is around 50 years old.
What exact words does he use? For example, he might have said something like, "On 7th January 1914 the Alexandre de
Valley completed its crossing". That doesn't tell you how long it took.
Exact wording is: '?the French crane-boat "Alexander La Valley" was the
first steam vessel to make the passage on January 7, 1914.' So badly
worded.
Yes, it's ambiguous. In any case, the Canal wasn't completed by January 2014, and this was a ship involved in the
Canal's construction, so it doesn't count anyway.
This is what Wiki says:
Alexandre La Valley (a floating crane built by Lobnitz & Company and launched in 1887) was the first self-propelled
vessel to transit the canal from ocean to ocean. This vessel crossed the canal from the Atlantic in stages during
construction, finally reaching the Pacific on 7 January 1914. SS Cristobal (a cargo and passenger ship built by Maryland
Steel, and launched in 1902 as SS Tremont) on 3 August 1914, was the first ship to transit the canal from ocean to
ocean.
I believe the Cristobal was carrying a commercial cargo and non-construction passengers, so it counts as a user ship
(though it was actually owned by Panama Railroad Steamship Line), rather than a construction vessel. A few days later,
its sister ship (with the same owner), Ancona, made the first public, ceremonial crossing, with a 200 VIP passenger
list, so I guess Cristobal's crossing was the company's dry-run for the official opening day ceremonial transit.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging...
There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug. >>> I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a >> mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
Let?s ignore dredging and the depth of the dig, just the length. The Caledonian is about 1/3 constructed, the remainder being 4 lochs. The
Panama seems to be something similar, though the lake didn?t exist before
the canal. The Suez?s Bitter Lakes seem to be about 25 miles long out of
120 miles total, so the canal is nearly 80% constructed (and I hadn?t realised before that the Bitter Lakes were dry lake beds until the canal
was built, so only the Caledonian uses existing lakes significantly).
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 15:23, Certes wrote:
They're a mixture of fact, opinion, and opinion carefully disguised
as fact, the latter often containing vague claims such as "greatest".
As above, all a matter of personal opinion but the advantage Britain has
it that we have a great variety of scenery.
Ah, the mighty British mountain ranges topped by ancient but melting glaciers, the towering British waterfalls, the great British Sandy Desert, the huge British volcanic craters, the mighty British Canyon, the vast, featureless British Plains, the endless British Savanna, the lush British Jungles, the stormy waters and unique climate of the British Inland Sea,
the vast British salt flats ?. No wonder we are judged (by Brits) to have
the most scenic railway journeys in the world!
The Le Train Jeune
or Little Yellow Train is quite interesting , a metre
gauge electric line whose first section opened in 1902 with a completion in the 1920?s following delays caused by WW1 and still largely using stock
that originated then. As it was in the fairly early days of
electrification the promoters largely took the technology of the newly opened Paris Metro and built Metre Gauge stock based on it with a top contact third rail at 850Volts. And so it remains today and in winter runs through snow covered tracks , they even have a third rail powered
snowplough.
Fencing compared to our 3rd rail network is very basic and non existent in places .
Some cars they didn?t have in the 1900?s but have now are the open ones
from which you get very good views and in which we travelled. Still part of SNCF our Occitaine Railway pass which costs about ?10 a day was valid for
the journey.
More details on link <https://www.tourism-mediterraneanpyrenees.com/yellow-train>
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:07:33 GMT, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:34:35 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 14:17, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 13:03:37 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 11:34, Recliner wrote:What exact words does he use? For example, he might have said something like, "On 7th January 1914 the Alexandre de
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed
through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane
craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
No, that was the day it finally completed the multi-stage journey that had
been happening for months or years, as the various sections were opened.
That construction vessel had been involved in the routine construction and
testing of each section.
Not according to the author but then the book is around 50 years old. >>>>>>
Valley completed its crossing". That doesn't tell you how long it took. >>>>>>
Exact wording is: '?the French crane-boat "Alexander La Valley" was the >>>>> first steam vessel to make the passage on January 7, 1914.' So badly >>>>> worded.
Yes, it's ambiguous. In any case, the Canal wasn't completed by January 2014
I guess it was. Maybe it was widened later.
No, the original Canal channels weren't widened after construction.
In the first decade after the transfer to Panamanian control,
the Panama Canal Authority (ACP) invested nearly US$1 billion
in widening and modernizing the canal, with the aim of increasing
capacity by 20 percent.[139] The ACP cites a number of major
improvements, including the widening and straightening of the
Culebra Cut to reduce restrictions on passing vessels, the [...]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal#Efficiency_and_maintenance
The Gaillard Cut and the channel through Gatun Lake were widened
to at least 280 m (920 ft) on the straight portions and at least
366 m (1,200 ft) on the bends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal#Third_set_of_locks_project_(expansion)
On 11/06/2026 15:19, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:07:33 GMT, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:34:35 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 14:17, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 13:03:37 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 11:34, Recliner wrote:What exact words does he use? For example, he might have said something like, "On 7th January 1914 the Alexandre de
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed
through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane
craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
No, that was the day it finally completed the multi-stage journey that had
been happening for months or years, as the various sections were opened.
That construction vessel had been involved in the routine construction and
testing of each section.
Not according to the author but then the book is around 50 years old. >>>>>>
Valley completed its crossing". That doesn't tell you how long it took.
Exact wording is: '?the French crane-boat "Alexander La Valley" was the >>>>> first steam vessel to make the passage on January 7, 1914.' So badly >>>>> worded.
Yes, it's ambiguous. In any case, the Canal wasn't completed by January 2014
I guess it was. Maybe it was widened later.
No, the original Canal channels weren't widened after construction.
In the first decade after the transfer to Panamanian control,
the Panama Canal Authority (ACP) invested nearly US$1 billion
in widening and modernizing the canal, with the aim of increasing
capacity by 20 percent.[139] The ACP cites a number of major
improvements, including the widening and straightening of the
Culebra Cut to reduce restrictions on passing vessels, the [...]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal#Efficiency_and_maintenance
The Gaillard Cut and the channel through Gatun Lake were widened
to at least 280 m (920 ft) on the straight portions and at least
366 m (1,200 ft) on the bends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal#Third_set_of_locks_project_(expansion)
Interesting links, but completely irrelevant to the thread
ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 15:19, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:07:33 GMT, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:34:35 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 14:17, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 13:03:37 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 11:34, Recliner wrote:What exact words does he use? For example, he might have said something like, "On 7th January 1914 the Alexandre de
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed
through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane
craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
No, that was the day it finally completed the multi-stage journey that had
been happening for months or years, as the various sections were opened.
That construction vessel had been involved in the routine construction and
testing of each section.
Not according to the author but then the book is around 50 years old. >>>>>>>>
Valley completed its crossing". That doesn't tell you how long it took.
Exact wording is: '?the French crane-boat "Alexander La Valley" was the >>>>>>> first steam vessel to make the passage on January 7, 1914.' So badly >>>>>>> worded.
Yes, it's ambiguous. In any case, the Canal wasn't completed by January 2014
I guess it was. Maybe it was widened later.
No, the original Canal channels weren't widened after construction.
In the first decade after the transfer to Panamanian control,
the Panama Canal Authority (ACP) invested nearly US$1 billion
in widening and modernizing the canal, with the aim of increasing
capacity by 20 percent.[139] The ACP cites a number of major
improvements, including the widening and straightening of the
Culebra Cut to reduce restrictions on passing vessels, the [...]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal#Efficiency_and_maintenance
The Gaillard Cut and the channel through Gatun Lake were widened
to at least 280 m (920 ft) on the straight portions and at least
366 m (1,200 ft) on the bends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal#Third_set_of_locks_project_(expansion)
Interesting links, but completely irrelevant to the thread
You failed to read. I am used to it but still...
On 12/06/2026 12:06, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 15:19, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:07:33 GMT, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:34:35 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 14:17, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 13:03:37 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 11:34, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:42, Recliner wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 11/06/2026 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2026 22:00, Recliner wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There?s a relatively small proportion of the Caledonian Canal that was dug.
the mighty British Canyon,
The Caledonian Canal indeed needed digging... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I could probably work out the relation to the dug lengths of the Panama
and Suez canals.
The Panama Canal would be far greater. They basically had to cut through a
mountain. They also created a huge lake and built a large dam.
Pub quiz time, what was the first ship to pass through the completed canal?
With Google?s help, SS Cristobal? That ignores the ships that passed
through during the construction phases.
According to "Canal Across A Continent", the first steam vessel to make
the passage was a French ship, Alexander de Valley, which was a crane
craft involved in the construction.
How many days did it take for the full crossing?
It was probably measured in years, not days.
One day, 7th January 1914.
No, that was the day it finally completed the multi-stage journey that had
been happening for months or years, as the various sections were opened.
That construction vessel had been involved in the routine construction and
testing of each section.
Not according to the author but then the book is around 50 years old.
What exact words does he use? For example, he might have said something like, "On 7th January 1914 the Alexandre de
Valley completed its crossing". That doesn't tell you how long it took.
Exact wording is: '?the French crane-boat "Alexander La Valley" was the
first steam vessel to make the passage on January 7, 1914.' So badly >>>>>>> worded.
Yes, it's ambiguous. In any case, the Canal wasn't completed by January 2014
I guess it was. Maybe it was widened later.
No, the original Canal channels weren't widened after construction.
In the first decade after the transfer to Panamanian control,
the Panama Canal Authority (ACP) invested nearly US$1 billion
in widening and modernizing the canal, with the aim of increasing
capacity by 20 percent.[139] The ACP cites a number of major
improvements, including the widening and straightening of the
Culebra Cut to reduce restrictions on passing vessels, the [...]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal#Efficiency_and_maintenance
The Gaillard Cut and the channel through Gatun Lake were widened
to at least 280 m (920 ft) on the straight portions and at least
366 m (1,200 ft) on the bends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal#Third_set_of_locks_project_(expansion)
Interesting links, but completely irrelevant to the thread
You failed to read. I am used to it but still...
By snipping out my reasoning you are manipulating
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