I've been watching this channel for a while now. Usually something interesting. Their locomotives seem to spend almost as much time off the track as on it but unlike in the UK they don't spend a day doing the re-railing. 30 mins seems to be enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF18yMTp-ZU
On 2026-06-06 8:41 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
I've been watching this channel for a while now. Usually something
interesting. Their locomotives seem to spend almost as much time off the
track as on it but unlike in the UK they don't spend a day doing the
re-railing. 30 mins seems to be enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF18yMTp-ZU
Someone (possibly you) flagged that here several years ago.
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 11:31:23 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-06-06 8:41 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
I've been watching this channel for a while now. Usually something
interesting. Their locomotives seem to spend almost as much time off the >>> track as on it but unlike in the UK they don't spend a day doing the
re-railing. 30 mins seems to be enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF18yMTp-ZU
Someone (possibly you) flagged that here several years ago.
Not me, I only came across it a few months back.
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 11:31:23 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-06-06 8:41 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
I've been watching this channel for a while now. Usually something
interesting. Their locomotives seem to spend almost as much time off the >>>> track as on it but unlike in the UK they don't spend a day doing the
re-railing. 30 mins seems to be enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF18yMTp-ZU
Someone (possibly you) flagged that here several years ago.
Not me, I only came across it a few months back.
Maybe not that exact one, but I?m sure you?ve posted similar videos before.
Incidentally, if you want to see the sort of steam engines that these
diesels replaced, I recommend a visit to the Statfold Barn Railway, which
has an amazing collection of narrow gauge steam locos, many of which were >built in the UK to work on agricultural railways around the world. There?s
a rare, large narrow gauge roundhouse, too. There?s also a collection of >vintage road vehicles and fairground rides. It all started out as the >location for a rich man?s hobbies.
https://statfold.com/spectacle-of-steam/
On Sun, 07 Jun 2026 17:09:27 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 11:31:23 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-06-06 8:41 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
I've been watching this channel for a while now. Usually something
interesting. Their locomotives seem to spend almost as much time off the >>>>> track as on it but unlike in the UK they don't spend a day doing the >>>>> re-railing. 30 mins seems to be enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF18yMTp-ZU
Someone (possibly you) flagged that here several years ago.
Not me, I only came across it a few months back.
Maybe not that exact one, but I?m sure you?ve posted similar videos before. >>
Incidentally, if you want to see the sort of steam engines that these
diesels replaced, I recommend a visit to the Statfold Barn Railway, which
has an amazing collection of narrow gauge steam locos, many of which were
built in the UK to work on agricultural railways around the world. There?s >> a rare, large narrow gauge roundhouse, too. There?s also a collection of
vintage road vehicles and fairground rides. It all started out as the
location for a rich man?s hobbies.
https://statfold.com/spectacle-of-steam/
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<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
https://statfold.com/spectacle-of-steam/
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Oh well.
Works fine at my end. Looks like the problem was either temporary, or at
your end.
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 11:31:23 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-06-06 8:41 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
I've been watching this channel for a while now. Usually something
interesting. Their locomotives seem to spend almost as much time off the >>> track as on it but unlike in the UK they don't spend a day doing the
re-railing. 30 mins seems to be enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF18yMTp-ZU
Someone (possibly you) flagged that here several years ago.
Not me, I only came across it a few months back.
I've been watching this indonesian railway guys videos with fascination, >mainly about how the hell the loco stays on the tracks. No surprises they >finally push their luck too far and into the dirt it goes:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UrzCqXZFJr0
This is one way to re-open an old line I suppose:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRrtLpPQbo
Looks like it's on the verge of tipping over at some points.
On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 11:04:33 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
https://statfold.com/spectacle-of-steam/
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Oh well.
Works fine at my end. Looks like the problem was either temporary, or at
your end.
Working now, obviously temporary glitch. 16 quid for kids seems a bit tight, even the National Trust don't charge that much and they're not exactly shy
of price gouging. Looks interesting but too far for a day trip so won't be going.
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 11:04:33 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
https://statfold.com/spectacle-of-steam/
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Oh well.
Works fine at my end. Looks like the problem was either temporary, or at >>> your end.
Working now, obviously temporary glitch. 16 quid for kids seems a bit tight, >> even the National Trust don't charge that much and they're not exactly shy >> of price gouging. Looks interesting but too far for a day trip so won't be >> going.
It?s near Alton Towers, and a lot cheaper. We know you?re very interested
in those narrow gauge sugar railways, so I?m surprised you?re not
interested in seeing authentic, restored steam trains from them in action >within driving distance from home.
On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 21:34:39 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 11:04:33 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
https://statfold.com/spectacle-of-steam/
"There has been a critical error on this website.
Learn more about troubleshooting WordPress."
Oh well.
Works fine at my end. Looks like the problem was either temporary, or at >>>> your end.
Working now, obviously temporary glitch. 16 quid for kids seems a bit tight,
even the National Trust don't charge that much and they're not exactly shy >>> of price gouging. Looks interesting but too far for a day trip so won't be >>> going.
It?s near Alton Towers, and a lot cheaper. We know you?re very interested
in those narrow gauge sugar railways, so I?m surprised you?re not
interested in seeing authentic, restored steam trains from them in action
within driving distance from home.
Define within driving distance. Penzance is driving distance from home but I wouldn't go there for an afternoon trip. Also unlike you its not just about me, I have a family I have to consider.
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
Define within driving distance. Penzance is driving distance from home but I
wouldn't go there for an afternoon trip. Also unlike you its not just about >> me, I have a family I have to consider.
Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day.
This is the sort of thing you missed
https://youtu.be/tiNLDlbpYKY?si=fMfrsJ1KgktZ4J6_
On Tue, 09 Jun 2026 10:35:55 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
Define within driving distance. Penzance is driving distance from home but I
wouldn't go there for an afternoon trip. Also unlike you its not just about
me, I have a family I have to consider.
Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day.
No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog.
This is the sort of thing you missed
https://youtu.be/tiNLDlbpYKY?si=fMfrsJ1KgktZ4J6_
Looks fun.
Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day.
Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day.
No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in >> order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog.
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.
In message <HqSVR.6983$wjw4.1233@fx15.ams1>, at 11:04:07 on Tue, 9 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day.
No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog.
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.
If you've got a car with a blue light on the roof. Google maps says 3hrs from Watford (Middx). 2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. Which
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible.
In message <HqSVR.6983$wjw4.1233@fx15.ams1>, at 11:04:07 on Tue, 9 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day.
No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in >>> order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog.
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.
If you've got a car with a blue light on the roof. Google maps says 3hrs >from Watford (Middx).
2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. Which
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible.
BTW, I know you're a visitor from the last century, but Middx was abolished back in 1965. In any case, Watford was never
in Middx. So you seem to be hallucinating again.
On 09/06/2026 15:51, Recliner wrote:
BTW, I know you're a visitor from the last century, but Middx was abolished back in 1965. In any case, Watford was never
in Middx. So you seem to be hallucinating again.
Apparently there are attempts to resurrect at least part of Middlesex!
When it was abolished most of the county ended up in Greater London, but
a small part was amalgamated into Surrey. With the forthcoming split of
the latter into East and West, there is a suggestion that West Surrey is >named West Surrey and South Middlesex!
On 09/06/2026 15:51, Recliner wrote:
BTW, I know you're a visitor from the last century, but Middx was abolished back in 1965. In any case, Watford was never
in Middx. So you seem to be hallucinating again.
Apparently there are attempts to resurrect at least part of Middlesex!
When it was abolished most of the county ended up in Greater London, but
a small part was amalgamated into Surrey.
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2026 10:35:55 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
Define within driving distance. Penzance is driving distance from home but >I
wouldn't go there for an afternoon trip. Also unlike you its not just >about
me, I have a family I have to consider.
Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day.
No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in >> order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog.
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London. And go on your own >if your family has no interest in trains.
On Tue, 09 Jun 2026 11:04:07 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2026 10:35:55 GMTI
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
Define within driving distance. Penzance is driving distance from home but
wouldn't go there for an afternoon trip. Also unlike you its not just >about
me, I have a family I have to consider.
Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day.
No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog.
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London. And go on your own >if your family has no interest in trains.
2 hours up the M1 in its current state? Unlikely. Also I'm going to guess you've never been married. Going out for a drink down the pub with a mate
for a few hours is one thing, going out for the entire day on the w/e while wife looks after the kid would go down like the proverbial bucket of sick.
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:32:06 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <HqSVR.6983$wjw4.1233@fx15.ams1>, at 11:04:07 on Tue, 9 Jun >>2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day.
No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog.
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.
If you've got a car with a blue light on the roof. Google maps says 3hrs >>from Watford (Middx).
Nope, from Watford Junction, Herts, Google estimates a driving time of
2h 11m via the M1.
2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. Which
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible.
Please show your workings. You seem to be hallucinating again.
In message <tj9g2ltgl2drpvhgla0dq2u8eop9sn1vdp@4ax.com>, at 15:51:37 on
Tue, 9 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:32:06 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <HqSVR.6983$wjw4.1233@fx15.ams1>, at 11:04:07 on Tue, 9 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day.
No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog.
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.
If you've got a car with a blue light on the roof. Google maps says 3hrs >>> from Watford (Middx).
Nope, from Watford Junction, Herts, Google estimates a driving time of
2h 11m via the M1.
Odd that when I did that half an hour ago it said 3hrs.
Let's try again specifying a Saturday morning, arrival when Alton Towers opens @10am, on a random August day.
2hrs 10min to 3hrs. Mindful that Google maps is always very optimistic
about its lower boundary, so you'd have to be very lucky to do it in
less than 2hrs 40mins.
2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. Which
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible.
Please show your workings. You seem to be hallucinating again.
It's 136 miles,
which in 2hrs is an average speed of 68mph, you can see
the country roads from Uttoxeter to Alton yourself. (8 miles typically
16-28 minutes).
Of course, to park and get to the pedestrian entrance will take at least another ten minutes.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <tj9g2ltgl2drpvhgla0dq2u8eop9sn1vdp@4ax.com>, at 15:51:37 on
Tue, 9 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:32:06 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>
In message <HqSVR.6983$wjw4.1233@fx15.ams1>, at 11:04:07 on Tue, 9 Jun >>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day. >>>>>>No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog. >>>>>
If you've got a car with a blue light on the roof. Google maps says 3hrs >>>> from Watford (Middx).
Nope, from Watford Junction, Herts, Google estimates a driving time of
2h 11m via the M1.
Odd that when I did that half an hour ago it said 3hrs.
Let's try again specifying a Saturday morning, arrival when Alton Towers
opens @10am, on a random August day.
2hrs 10min to 3hrs. Mindful that Google maps is always very optimistic
about its lower boundary, so you'd have to be very lucky to do it in
less than 2hrs 40mins.
2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. WhichPlease show your workings. You seem to be hallucinating again.
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible. >>>
It's 136 miles,
Where did you get that from? Google doesn?t agree, but perhaps you?re hallucinating about the destination?
which in 2hrs is an average speed of 68mph, you can see
the country roads from Uttoxeter to Alton yourself. (8 miles typically
16-28 minutes).
Of course, to park and get to the pedestrian entrance will take at least
another ten minutes.
Have you ever been to Statfold Barn?
On 09/06/2026 17:22, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <tj9g2ltgl2drpvhgla0dq2u8eop9sn1vdp@4ax.com>, at 15:51:37 on
Tue, 9 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:32:06 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>
In message <HqSVR.6983$wjw4.1233@fx15.ams1>, at 11:04:07 on Tue, 9 Jun >>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day. >>>>>>>No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog. >>>>>>
If you've got a car with a blue light on the roof. Google maps says 3hrs >>>>> from Watford (Middx).
Nope, from Watford Junction, Herts, Google estimates a driving time of >>>> 2h 11m via the M1.
Odd that when I did that half an hour ago it said 3hrs.
Let's try again specifying a Saturday morning, arrival when Alton Towers >>> opens @10am, on a random August day.
2hrs 10min to 3hrs. Mindful that Google maps is always very optimistic
about its lower boundary, so you'd have to be very lucky to do it in
less than 2hrs 40mins.
2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. WhichPlease show your workings. You seem to be hallucinating again.
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible. >>>>
It's 136 miles,
Where did you get that from? Google doesn?t agree, but perhaps you?re
hallucinating about the destination?
which in 2hrs is an average speed of 68mph, you can see
the country roads from Uttoxeter to Alton yourself. (8 miles typically
16-28 minutes).
Of course, to park and get to the pedestrian entrance will take at least >>> another ten minutes.
Have you ever been to Statfold Barn?
You appear to be discussing a journey to Statfold Barn, whereas Roland is discussing Alton Towers (it's at the top of the quotes).
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 17:22, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <tj9g2ltgl2drpvhgla0dq2u8eop9sn1vdp@4ax.com>, at 15:51:37 on >>>> Tue, 9 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:32:06 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>>
In message <HqSVR.6983$wjw4.1233@fx15.ams1>, at 11:04:07 on Tue, 9 Jun >>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day. >>>>>>>>No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog. >>>>>>>
If you've got a car with a blue light on the roof. Google maps says 3hrs >>>>>> from Watford (Middx).
Nope, from Watford Junction, Herts, Google estimates a driving time of >>>>> 2h 11m via the M1.
Odd that when I did that half an hour ago it said 3hrs.
Let's try again specifying a Saturday morning, arrival when Alton Towers >>>> opens @10am, on a random August day.
2hrs 10min to 3hrs. Mindful that Google maps is always very optimistic >>>> about its lower boundary, so you'd have to be very lucky to do it in
less than 2hrs 40mins.
2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. WhichPlease show your workings. You seem to be hallucinating again.
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible. >>>>>
It's 136 miles,
Where did you get that from? Google doesn?t agree, but perhaps you?re
hallucinating about the destination?
which in 2hrs is an average speed of 68mph, you can see
the country roads from Uttoxeter to Alton yourself. (8 miles typically >>>> 16-28 minutes).
Of course, to park and get to the pedestrian entrance will take at least >>>> another ten minutes.
Have you ever been to Statfold Barn?
You appear to be discussing a journey to Statfold Barn, whereas Roland is >> discussing Alton Towers (it's at the top of the quotes).
The discussion was about a day trip to Statfold Barn, but Roland
hallucinated that it was to Alton Towers.
On 09/06/2026 18:12, Recliner wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 17:22, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <tj9g2ltgl2drpvhgla0dq2u8eop9sn1vdp@4ax.com>, at 15:51:37 on >>>>> Tue, 9 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:32:06 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>>>
In message <HqSVR.6983$wjw4.1233@fx15.ams1>, at 11:04:07 on Tue, 9 Jun >>>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day. >>>>>>>>>No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog. >>>>>>>>
If you've got a car with a blue light on the roof. Google maps says 3hrs
from Watford (Middx).
Nope, from Watford Junction, Herts, Google estimates a driving time of >>>>>> 2h 11m via the M1.
Odd that when I did that half an hour ago it said 3hrs.
Let's try again specifying a Saturday morning, arrival when Alton Towers >>>>> opens @10am, on a random August day.
2hrs 10min to 3hrs. Mindful that Google maps is always very optimistic >>>>> about its lower boundary, so you'd have to be very lucky to do it in >>>>> less than 2hrs 40mins.
2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. WhichPlease show your workings. You seem to be hallucinating again.
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible. >>>>>>
It's 136 miles,
Where did you get that from? Google doesn?t agree, but perhaps you?re
hallucinating about the destination?
which in 2hrs is an average speed of 68mph, you can see
the country roads from Uttoxeter to Alton yourself. (8 miles typically >>>>> 16-28 minutes).
Of course, to park and get to the pedestrian entrance will take at least >>>>> another ten minutes.
Have you ever been to Statfold Barn?
You appear to be discussing a journey to Statfold Barn, whereas Roland is >>> discussing Alton Towers (it's at the top of the quotes).
The discussion was about a day trip to Statfold Barn, but Roland
hallucinated that it was to Alton Towers.
If you go on a "gala" / "special event" day, for many people the best
way to Statfold Barn is train to Tamworth, then free (heritage) bus from just outside the station to Statfold Barn.
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 17:22, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <tj9g2ltgl2drpvhgla0dq2u8eop9sn1vdp@4ax.com>, at 15:51:37 on >>>> Tue, 9 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:32:06 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>>
In message <HqSVR.6983$wjw4.1233@fx15.ams1>, at 11:04:07 on Tue, 9 Jun >>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day. >>>>>>>>No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog. >>>>>>>
If you've got a car with a blue light on the roof. Google maps says 3hrs >>>>>> from Watford (Middx).
Nope, from Watford Junction, Herts, Google estimates a driving time of >>>>> 2h 11m via the M1.
Odd that when I did that half an hour ago it said 3hrs.
Let's try again specifying a Saturday morning, arrival when Alton Towers >>>> opens @10am, on a random August day.
2hrs 10min to 3hrs. Mindful that Google maps is always very optimistic >>>> about its lower boundary, so you'd have to be very lucky to do it in
less than 2hrs 40mins.
2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. WhichPlease show your workings. You seem to be hallucinating again.
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible. >>>>>
It's 136 miles,
Where did you get that from? Google doesn?t agree, but perhaps you?re
hallucinating about the destination?
which in 2hrs is an average speed of 68mph, you can see
the country roads from Uttoxeter to Alton yourself. (8 miles typically >>>> 16-28 minutes).
Of course, to park and get to the pedestrian entrance will take at least >>>> another ten minutes.
Have you ever been to Statfold Barn?
You appear to be discussing a journey to Statfold Barn, whereas Roland is >> discussing Alton Towers (it's at the top of the quotes).
The discussion was about a day trip to Statfold Barn, but Roland
hallucinated that it was to Alton Towers.
On 09/06/2026 18:12, Recliner wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 17:22, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <tj9g2ltgl2drpvhgla0dq2u8eop9sn1vdp@4ax.com>, at 15:51:37 on >>>>> Tue, 9 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:32:06 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>>>
In message <HqSVR.6983$wjw4.1233@fx15.ams1>, at 11:04:07 on Tue, 9 Jun >>>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day. >>>>>>>>>No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog. >>>>>>>>
If you've got a car with a blue light on the roof. Google maps says 3hrs
from Watford (Middx).
Nope, from Watford Junction, Herts, Google estimates a driving time of >>>>>> 2h 11m via the M1.
Odd that when I did that half an hour ago it said 3hrs.
Let's try again specifying a Saturday morning, arrival when Alton Towers >>>>> opens @10am, on a random August day.
2hrs 10min to 3hrs. Mindful that Google maps is always very optimistic >>>>> about its lower boundary, so you'd have to be very lucky to do it in >>>>> less than 2hrs 40mins.
2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. WhichPlease show your workings. You seem to be hallucinating again.
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible. >>>>>>
It's 136 miles,
Where did you get that from? Google doesn?t agree, but perhaps you?re
hallucinating about the destination?
which in 2hrs is an average speed of 68mph, you can see
the country roads from Uttoxeter to Alton yourself. (8 miles typically >>>>> 16-28 minutes).
Of course, to park and get to the pedestrian entrance will take at least >>>>> another ten minutes.
Have you ever been to Statfold Barn?
You appear to be discussing a journey to Statfold Barn, whereas Roland is
discussing Alton Towers (it's at the top of the quotes).
The discussion was about a day trip to Statfold Barn, but Roland
hallucinated that it was to Alton Towers.
Someone other than Roland mentioned Alton Towers, and the journey time.
Someome else, not Roland, mentioned the journey time to Alton Towers.
Roland then followed up about Alton Towers with a journey time.
On 09/06/2026 18:12, Recliner wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 17:22, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <tj9g2ltgl2drpvhgla0dq2u8eop9sn1vdp@4ax.com>, at 15:51:37 on >>>>> Tue, 9 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:32:06 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>>>
In message <HqSVR.6983$wjw4.1233@fx15.ams1>, at 11:04:07 on Tue, 9 Jun >>>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day. >>>>>>>>>No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog. >>>>>>>>
If you've got a car with a blue light on the roof. Google maps says 3hrs
from Watford (Middx).
Nope, from Watford Junction, Herts, Google estimates a driving time of >>>>>> 2h 11m via the M1.
Odd that when I did that half an hour ago it said 3hrs.
Let's try again specifying a Saturday morning, arrival when Alton Towers >>>>> opens @10am, on a random August day.
2hrs 10min to 3hrs. Mindful that Google maps is always very optimistic >>>>> about its lower boundary, so you'd have to be very lucky to do it in >>>>> less than 2hrs 40mins.
2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. WhichPlease show your workings. You seem to be hallucinating again.
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible. >>>>>>
It's 136 miles,
Where did you get that from? Google doesn?t agree, but perhaps you?re
hallucinating about the destination?
which in 2hrs is an average speed of 68mph, you can see
the country roads from Uttoxeter to Alton yourself. (8 miles typically >>>>> 16-28 minutes).
Of course, to park and get to the pedestrian entrance will take at least >>>>> another ten minutes.
Have you ever been to Statfold Barn?
You appear to be discussing a journey to Statfold Barn, whereas Roland is >>> discussing Alton Towers (it's at the top of the quotes).
The discussion was about a day trip to Statfold Barn, but Roland
hallucinated that it was to Alton Towers.
Someone other than Roland mentioned Alton Towers, and the journey time.
Someome else, not Roland, mentioned the journey time to Alton Towers.
Roland then followed up about Alton Towers with a journey time.
Nobody was suggesting that Neil go to Alton Towers.
On 2026-06-09 3:57 p.m., Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 09/06/2026 18:12, Recliner wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 17:22, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <tj9g2ltgl2drpvhgla0dq2u8eop9sn1vdp@4ax.com>, at 15:51:37 on >>>>>> Tue, 9 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 15:32:06 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <HqSVR.6983$wjw4.1233@fx15.ams1>, at 11:04:07 on Tue, 9 Jun >>>>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London.Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day. >>>>>>>>>>No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog. >>>>>>>>>
If you've got a car with a blue light on the roof. Google maps says 3hrs
from Watford (Middx).
Nope, from Watford Junction, Herts, Google estimates a driving time of >>>>>>> 2h 11m via the M1.
Odd that when I did that half an hour ago it said 3hrs.
Let's try again specifying a Saturday morning, arrival when Alton Towers >>>>>> opens @10am, on a random August day.
2hrs 10min to 3hrs. Mindful that Google maps is always very optimistic >>>>>> about its lower boundary, so you'd have to be very lucky to do it in >>>>>> less than 2hrs 40mins.
2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. Which
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible.
Please show your workings. You seem to be hallucinating again.
It's 136 miles,
Where did you get that from? Google doesn?t agree, but perhaps you?re >>>>> hallucinating about the destination?
which in 2hrs is an average speed of 68mph, you can see
the country roads from Uttoxeter to Alton yourself. (8 miles typically >>>>>> 16-28 minutes).
Of course, to park and get to the pedestrian entrance will take at least >>>>>> another ten minutes.
Have you ever been to Statfold Barn?
You appear to be discussing a journey to Statfold Barn, whereas Roland is >>>> discussing Alton Towers (it's at the top of the quotes).
The discussion was about a day trip to Statfold Barn, but Roland
hallucinated that it was to Alton Towers.
Someone other than Roland mentioned Alton Towers, and the journey time.
Someome else, not Roland, mentioned the journey time to Alton Towers.
Roland then followed up about Alton Towers with a journey time.
Recliner mentioned the steam-powered sugar-industry connexion at
Statfold Barn... the link somehow didn't initially work for Neil... and
when it did, he wuzn't impressed at the price.
On Tue, 09 Jun 2026 11:04:07 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2026 10:35:55 GMTI
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
Define within driving distance. Penzance is driving distance from home >but
wouldn't go there for an afternoon trip. Also unlike you its not just >> >about
me, I have a family I have to consider.
Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day.
No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back >in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog.
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London. And go on your >own
if your family has no interest in trains.
2 hours up the M1 in its current state? Unlikely. Also I'm going to guess
you've never been married. Going out for a drink down the pub with a mate
for a few hours is one thing, going out for the entire day on the w/e while >> wife looks after the kid would go down like the proverbial bucket of sick.
Maybe some do on steam-hauled specials?
On 09/06/2026 15:51, Recliner wrote:
BTW, I know you're a visitor from the last century, but Middx was
abolished back in 1965. In any case, Watford was never
in Middx. So you seem to be hallucinating again.
Apparently there are attempts to resurrect at least part of Middlesex!
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 15:51, Recliner wrote:
BTW, I know you're a visitor from the last century, but Middx was
abolished back in 1965. In any case, Watford was never
in Middx. So you seem to be hallucinating again.
Apparently there are attempts to resurrect at least part of Middlesex!
Insert witty and topical comment about gender neutral toilets and
non-binary update of said facilities.
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:
On 09/06/2026 15:51, Recliner wrote:
BTW, I know you're a visitor from the last century, but Middx was abolished back in 1965. In any case, Watford was never
in Middx. So you seem to be hallucinating again.
Apparently there are attempts to resurrect at least part of Middlesex!
When it was abolished most of the county ended up in Greater London, but
a small part was amalgamated into Surrey.
A bit more complicated, see chapter following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middlesex#New_London_boroughs_from_former_Middlesex_CC_area
2hrs would be an *average* speed of 70mph. WhichPlease show your workings. You seem to be hallucinating again.
on the country roads the last six or seven miles is clearly impossible. >>>
It's 136 miles,
Where did you get that from? Google doesn?t agree
The discussion was about a day trip to Statfold Barn, but Roland
hallucinated that it was to Alton Towers.
Someone other than Roland mentioned Alton Towers, and the journey time. Someome else, not Roland, mentioned the journey time to Alton Towers.
Roland then followed up about Alton Towers with a journey time.
In message <110a5pf$3fs6$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:57:51 on Tue, 9 Jun
2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
The discussion was about a day trip to Statfold Barn, but Roland
hallucinated that it was to Alton Towers.
Someone other than Roland mentioned Alton Towers, and the journey time.
Someome else, not Roland, mentioned the journey time to Alton Towers.
Roland then followed up about Alton Towers with a journey time.
Thank you. So at least one person here isn't completely confused about
what we are discussing.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <110a5pf$3fs6$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:57:51 on Tue, 9 Jun
2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
The discussion was about a day trip to Statfold Barn, but Roland
hallucinated that it was to Alton Towers.
Someone other than Roland mentioned Alton Towers, and the journey time.
Someome else, not Roland, mentioned the journey time to Alton Towers.
Roland then followed up about Alton Towers with a journey time.
Thank you. So at least one person here isn't completely confused about
what we are discussing.
As usual, only one person here is confused. You dreamed up a journey from a >mythical Watford, Middx to Alton Towers ? why?
Everyone else knows we?re discussing possible journeys from north London to >the Statfold Barn Railway.
On Tue, 09 Jun 2026 15:25:56 GMT
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> gabbled: >>boltar@caprica.universe posted:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2026 11:04:07 GMTMaybe some do on steam-hauled specials?
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2026 10:35:55 GMTI
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
Define within driving distance. Penzance is driving distance from home >>but
wouldn't go there for an afternoon trip. Also unlike you its not just >>> >about
me, I have a family I have to consider.
Plenty of families drive from London to Alton Towers for the day.
No way is my wife going to spend 5 hours sitting in a car there and back >>in
order to attend an event she has zero interest in. Ditto the sprog.
It?s probably a couple of hours drive from North London. And go on your >>own
if your family has no interest in trains.
2 hours up the M1 in its current state? Unlikely. Also I'm going to guess >>> you've never been married. Going out for a drink down the pub with a mate >>> for a few hours is one thing, going out for the entire day on the w/e while
wife looks after the kid would go down like the proverbial bucket of sick. >>
My wife has as much interested in trains, steam or otherwise, as I have in >the latest milan fashions. Whenever we do go to a railway there's some quid >pro quo in that we also have to visit somewhere she wants to go too.
On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 08:23:27 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
My wife has as much interested in trains, steam or otherwise, as I have in >>the latest milan fashions. Whenever we do go to a railway there's some quid >>pro quo in that we also have to visit somewhere she wants to go too.
So have you never visited a heritage railway?
On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 15:54:04 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 08:23:27 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >>My wife has as much interested in trains, steam or otherwise, as I have in >>the latest milan fashions. Whenever we do go to a railway there's some quid >>pro quo in that we also have to visit somewhere she wants to go too.
So have you never visited a heritage railway?
Yes, but we always did something else too. We'll spend a few hours at one, not the entire day.
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