• Re: Most bashed bridge bashed

    From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Monday, June 01, 2026 17:45:15
    In message <n7tt11F5svsU1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:26:09 on Fri, 29
    May 2026, Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> remarked:

    It's the whole stretch of road that needs considering.

    Anyway, I've driven through hundreds of times, you are just
    misinterpreting online views.

    Roland

    You are missing the original alignment of the road over the earlier
    bridge and the one earlier than that.

    "Missing" in what sense? I have maps going back 400yrs, long before the railway, and when the bridge was absolutely 100% the one over the Ouse
    (and not as recliner continues to ludicrously claim, the one which
    carries the railway over the road).

    ps It wasn't just a bridge over the Ouse, at the City end was a
    Drawbridge, to keep out revolting peasants etc.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Rupert Moss-Eccardt@3:633/10 to All on Monday, June 01, 2026 18:52:48
    On 1 Jun 2026 17:45, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <n7tt11F5svsU1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:26:09 on Fri, 29
    May 2026, Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> remarked:

    It's the whole stretch of road that needs considering.

    Anyway, I've driven through hundreds of times, you are just
    misinterpreting online views.

    Roland

    You are missing the original alignment of the road over the earlier
    bridge and the one earlier than that.

    "Missing" in what sense? I have maps going back 400yrs, long before the railway, and when the bridge was absolutely 100% the one over the Ouse
    (and not as recliner continues to ludicrously claim, the one which
    carries the railway over the road).

    ps It wasn't just a bridge over the Ouse, at the City end was a
    Drawbridge, to keep out revolting peasants etc.
    --
    If you look at your old maps, you'll see the bridge and the route over
    the level crossing, though the crossing isn't explicitly marked is
    straight with the underpass being clearly a diversion.


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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Monday, June 01, 2026 19:01:18
    In message <3gpa1lds4e1o2jf1804fiperk154l0rcf2@4ax.com>, at 10:23:59 on
    Tue, 26 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

    It's clear from the various other maps that the transition obviously >>>occurs at the junctions where the level crossing and bridge routes
    split and rejoin.

    But the maps don't agree with one another.

    It's not an opinion poll with majority voting for their favourite name for the road. The two definitive maps (National
    Street Gazetteer and OS) do agree with each other, and that's all that matters. The other maps are secondary sources,
    but most do agree with the definitive sources.

    So there's nothing to debate: the news report that you derided used the correct name, and you were hallucinating.

    Jury is still out on this one, especially as you are very confused about
    which bridge it is (hint: it's absolutely definitely the one over the
    river).
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Monday, June 01, 2026 19:35:29
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <3gpa1lds4e1o2jf1804fiperk154l0rcf2@4ax.com>, at 10:23:59 on
    Tue, 26 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

    It's clear from the various other maps that the transition obviously
    occurs at the junctions where the level crossing and bridge routes
    split and rejoin.

    But the maps don't agree with one another.

    It's not an opinion poll with majority voting for their favourite name
    for the road. The two definitive maps (National
    Street Gazetteer and OS) do agree with each other, and that's all that
    matters. The other maps are secondary sources,
    but most do agree with the definitive sources.

    So there's nothing to debate: the news report that you derided used the
    correct name, and you were hallucinating.

    Jury is still out on this one, especially as you are very confused about which bridge it is (hint: it's absolutely definitely the one over the river).

    The jury announced its verdict long ago: the article was right and you were wrong.


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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Monday, June 01, 2026 21:21:14
    In message <n85v7hFebgqU1@mid.individual.net>, at 18:52:48 on Mon, 1 Jun
    2026, Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> remarked:
    On 1 Jun 2026 17:45, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <n7tt11F5svsU1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:26:09 on Fri, 29
    May 2026, Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> remarked:

    It's the whole stretch of road that needs considering.

    Anyway, I've driven through hundreds of times, you are just
    misinterpreting online views.

    Roland

    You are missing the original alignment of the road over the earlier >>>bridge and the one earlier than that.

    "Missing" in what sense? I have maps going back 400yrs, long before the
    railway, and when the bridge was absolutely 100% the one over the Ouse
    (and not as recliner continues to ludicrously claim, the one which
    carries the railway over the road).

    ps It wasn't just a bridge over the Ouse, at the City end was a
    Drawbridge, to keep out revolting peasants etc.
    --
    If you look at your old maps, you'll see the bridge and the route over
    the level crossing, though the crossing isn't explicitly marked is
    straight with the underpass being clearly a diversion.

    My oldest maps predate the railway by 200yrs, so why do you suppose
    they'll show the level crossing?
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 02, 2026 06:34:51
    In message <NF_RR.9$sDGb.6@fx11.ams1>, at 17:10:05 on Thu, 28 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

    Roland has reached his usual state of desperately floundering around,
    looking for any scrap of evidence, however threadbare, to try and justify
    an incorrect statement of his. His religion simply does not permit him to >ever admit he was wrong.

    Classic attempt at deflection. Sorry, didn't work.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 02, 2026 14:11:59
    In message <5alTR.35$ARB1.11@fx10.ams1>, at 19:35:29 on Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Jury is still out on this one, especially as you are very confused about
    which bridge it is (hint: it's absolutely definitely the one over the
    river).

    The jury announced its verdict long ago: the article was right and you were >wrong.

    Nope, and given you don't even understand which bridge it is, I give
    your unsubstantiated opinion zero credit.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 02, 2026 14:39:09
    On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:11:59 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

    In message <5alTR.35$ARB1.11@fx10.ams1>, at 19:35:29 on Mon, 1 Jun 2026, >Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Jury is still out on this one, especially as you are very confused about >>> which bridge it is (hint: it's absolutely definitely the one over the
    river).

    The jury announced its verdict long ago: the article was right and you were >>wrong.

    Nope, and given you don't even understand which bridge it is, I give
    your unsubstantiated opinion zero credit.

    Huh? Every single map agrees that the road under the railway low bridge is called Bridge Road.

    Only your hallucination disagrees.

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  • From Nick Finnigan@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 02, 2026 15:21:34
    On 02/06/2026 14:39, Recliner wrote:

    Huh? Every single map agrees that the road under the railway low bridge is called Bridge Road.

    Low bridges - is it always one side bashed ?

    Only your hallucination disagrees.

    https://opentopomap.org/#map=17/52.39108/0.26729 (Garmin)

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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 02, 2026 15:39:16
    On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 15:21:34 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:

    On 02/06/2026 14:39, Recliner wrote:

    Huh? Every single map agrees that the road under the railway low bridge is called Bridge Road.

    Low bridges - is it always one side bashed ?

    Only your hallucination disagrees.

    https://opentopomap.org/#map=17/52.39108/0.26729 (Garmin)

    Is that crowd-sourced data?

    Meanwhile OSM also has two data errors. It correctly identifies the road under the rail bridge as Bridge Road, but
    incorrectly describes the road south of the junction with Station Road as Bridge Road, when it should be Station Road.
    It also incorrectly describes the northern stub to the level crossing as Bridge Road, rather than Station Road. So I
    think we need to be wary about crowd-sourced maps.

    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.392337/0.266652

    Google has the correct data, but its rendering engine is inconsistent about how it's displayed. This shows it does have
    the correct data:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/55299707880/

    Streetview also gets it right:
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/KSCtxt4vEqJ4Vm2G9

    But depending on the zoom, the overhead views sometimes label Bridge Road as Station Road.

    However, these are all secondary sources, so while it's interesting to note their inconsistencies, it doesn't matter an
    iota.

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  • From Tweed@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 02, 2026 14:41:16
    Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
    On 02/06/2026 14:39, Recliner wrote:

    Huh? Every single map agrees that the road under the railway low bridge
    is called Bridge Road.

    Low bridges - is it always one side bashed ?

    Only your hallucination disagrees.

    https://opentopomap.org/#map=17/52.39108/0.26729 (Garmin)


    Actually they can?t make their mind up. Open the hamburger at the top right
    and select the openstreetmap radio button.


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  • From Nick Finnigan@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 02, 2026 15:58:39
    On 02/06/2026 15:39, Recliner wrote:


    Streetview also gets it right:
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/KSCtxt4vEqJ4Vm2G9

    But depending on the zoom, the overhead views sometimes label Bridge Road as Station Road.

    And if you change the date ...
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/1SKJqH5i1pjkdv6z8

    Whichever they drove on was Bridge Road.


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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 03, 2026 10:23:46
    In message <m5nt1l5eeoqumevp6shmif01ehqcs4klqb@4ax.com>, at 14:39:09 on
    Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:11:59 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

    In message <5alTR.35$ARB1.11@fx10.ams1>, at 19:35:29 on Mon, 1 Jun 2026, >>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Jury is still out on this one, especially as you are very confused about >>>> which bridge it is (hint: it's absolutely definitely the one over the
    river).

    The jury announced its verdict long ago: the article was right and you were >>>wrong.

    Nope, and given you don't even understand which bridge it is, I give
    your unsubstantiated opinion zero credit.

    Huh? Every single map agrees that the road under the railway low bridge is called Bridge Road.

    Actually, they don't. But keep deflecting, as is your want.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 03, 2026 10:49:14
    In message <10vmote$2o9nu$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:21:34 on Tue, 2 Jun
    2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
    On 02/06/2026 14:39, Recliner wrote:
    Huh? Every single map agrees that the road under the railway low
    bridge is called Bridge Road.

    Low bridges - is it always one side bashed ?

    The inbound side gets bashed more, despite it having the most prominent signage. That part of the bridge is only the goods loop, which is why passenger trains aren't affected.

    Only your hallucination disagrees.

    https://opentopomap.org/#map=17/52.39108/0.26729 (Garmin)

    Which shows the level crossing stub as "Bridge Road", and doesn't name
    the underpass.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 03, 2026 12:10:08
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10vmote$2o9nu$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:21:34 on Tue, 2 Jun
    2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
    On 02/06/2026 14:39, Recliner wrote:
    Huh? Every single map agrees that the road under the railway low
    bridge is called Bridge Road.

    Low bridges - is it always one side bashed ?

    The inbound side gets bashed more, despite it having the most prominent signage. That part of the bridge is only the goods loop, which is why passenger trains aren't affected.

    Only your hallucination disagrees.

    https://opentopomap.org/#map=17/52.39108/0.26729 (Garmin)

    Which shows the level crossing stub as "Bridge Road", and doesn't name
    the underpass.

    It?s a crowd-sourced map, so it likely to have many incorrect, uncorrected details. Still to the official reference maps, and they are unanimous.


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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 03, 2026 15:14:13
    In message <AQUTR.3295$xwgc.1558@fx17.ams1>, at 12:10:08 on Wed, 3 Jun
    2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10vmote$2o9nu$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:21:34 on Tue, 2 Jun
    2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
    On 02/06/2026 14:39, Recliner wrote:
    Huh? Every single map agrees that the road under the railway low
    bridge is called Bridge Road.

    Low bridges - is it always one side bashed ?

    The inbound side gets bashed more, despite it having the most prominent
    signage. That part of the bridge is only the goods loop, which is why
    passenger trains aren't affected.

    Only your hallucination disagrees.

    https://opentopomap.org/#map=17/52.39108/0.26729 (Garmin)

    Which shows the level crossing stub as "Bridge Road", and doesn't name
    the underpass.

    It?s a crowd-sourced map, so it likely to have many incorrect, uncorrected >details. Still to the official reference maps, and they are unanimous.

    Thankyou, Mrs Slocombe. But sadly the maps you refer to, aren't.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 03, 2026 15:55:37
    On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 10:23:46 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

    In message <m5nt1l5eeoqumevp6shmif01ehqcs4klqb@4ax.com>, at 14:39:09 on
    Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:11:59 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

    In message <5alTR.35$ARB1.11@fx10.ams1>, at 19:35:29 on Mon, 1 Jun 2026, >>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Jury is still out on this one, especially as you are very confused about >>>>> which bridge it is (hint: it's absolutely definitely the one over the >>>>> river).

    The jury announced its verdict long ago: the article was right and you were >>>>wrong.

    Nope, and given you don't even understand which bridge it is, I give
    your unsubstantiated opinion zero credit.

    Huh? Every single map agrees that the road under the railway low bridge is called Bridge Road.

    Actually, they don't. But keep deflecting, as is your want.

    Of course they do. Both the National Street Gazetteer and the OS agree. That's the definitive answer.

    And, as always, you were wrong.

    But keep deflecting, as is your want.

    I think you meant 'wont'. But 'deflecting' seems to be your anglicised version of your mentor's 'fake news' ? anything
    that proves you wrong.

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  • From Nick Finnigan@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 04, 2026 09:03:57
    On 02/06/2026 15:39, Recliner wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 15:21:34 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:

    On 02/06/2026 14:39, Recliner wrote:

    Huh? Every single map agrees that the road under the railway low bridge is called Bridge Road.

    Low bridges - is it always one side bashed ?

    Only your hallucination disagrees.

    https://opentopomap.org/#map=17/52.39108/0.26729 (Garmin)

    Is that crowd-sourced data?

    Meanwhile OSM also has two data errors. It correctly identifies the road under the rail bridge as Bridge Road, but
    incorrectly describes the road south of the junction with Station Road as Bridge Road, when it should be Station Road.

    The OS also think it is (or at least recently has been) Bridge Road
    heading towards the drain and Ely High Bridge:

    https://magic.defra.gov.uk/MagicMap.html?srs=ETRS89&startscale=6676.361097892459&basemapSet=&box=0.2633022395589528:52.38676242953192:0.2743307475850878:52.396061286659

    https://magic.defra.gov.uk/MagicMap.html?basemapSet=&box=554297:279306:554672:279623

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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Monday, June 08, 2026 07:22:38
    In message <gof02lheui9ekn0k8gslhjijh1j2n4r9sn@4ax.com>, at 15:55:37 on
    Wed, 3 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 10:23:46 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

    In message <m5nt1l5eeoqumevp6shmif01ehqcs4klqb@4ax.com>, at 14:39:09 on >>Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:11:59 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

    In message <5alTR.35$ARB1.11@fx10.ams1>, at 19:35:29 on Mon, 1 Jun 2026, >>>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Jury is still out on this one, especially as you are very confused about >>>>>> which bridge it is (hint: it's absolutely definitely the one over the >>>>>> river).

    The jury announced its verdict long ago: the article was right and you were
    wrong.

    Nope, and given you don't even understand which bridge it is, I give >>>>your unsubstantiated opinion zero credit.

    Huh? Every single map agrees that the road under the railway low
    bridge is called Bridge Road.

    Actually, they don't. But keep deflecting, as is your want.

    Of course they do. Both the National Street Gazetteer and the OS agree. >That's the definitive answer.

    And, as always, you were wrong.

    But keep deflecting, as is your want.

    I think you meant 'wont'. But 'deflecting' seems to be your anglicised >version of your mentor's 'fake news' ? anything that proves you wrong.

    Oh dear. The discredited playbook, out again.
    --
    Roland Perry

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