John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
According to hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk>:
Genuine Question: Do you think their opinion is that HEx isn't
sufficiently safe? Or have they just failed to research it properly.
The latter. They're brainwashed by living in Los Angeles and simply
cannot imagine anyone taking a local train or bus. It's the same thing >>>> at every meeting -- in Dublin the Aircoach stopped across the street
from our hotel, but they never mentioned it.
As in they literally cannot imagine?
That is my impression. My recollection is that I asked about it a while ago and
there might as well have been a whooshing noise. I have a secret theory that
the interview for the travel department consists of one question "Have you ever
set foot outside of Los Angeles county?" with the only acceptable answer being "no".
I send notes to the committee I'm on with transit advice and they always thank
me and use it.
Los Angeles has commuter trains and a skimpy but growing set of light and
heavy rail, but a lot of angelenos would never dream of using them because, >> you know, the element.
I know a couple of Angelenos here in Edinburgh. Next time I see them I?ll ask if they ever use public transport.
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
According to hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk>:
Genuine Question: Do you think their opinion is that HEx isn'tThe latter. They're brainwashed by living in Los Angeles and simply
sufficiently safe? Or have they just failed to research it properly. >>>>>
cannot imagine anyone taking a local train or bus. It's the same thing >>>>> at every meeting -- in Dublin the Aircoach stopped across the street >>>>> from our hotel, but they never mentioned it.
As in they literally cannot imagine?
That is my impression. My recollection is that I asked about it a while ago and
there might as well have been a whooshing noise. I have a secret theory that
the interview for the travel department consists of one question "Have you ever
set foot outside of Los Angeles county?" with the only acceptable answer being "no".
I send notes to the committee I'm on with transit advice and they always thank
me and use it.
Los Angeles has commuter trains and a skimpy but growing set of light and >>> heavy rail, but a lot of angelenos would never dream of using them because, >>> you know, the element.
I know a couple of Angelenos here in Edinburgh. Next time I see them I?ll >> ask if they ever use public transport.
I spoke to one of my Angeleno friends this evening, a guy in his late >twenties. He lives and works near to a rail line and uses the train for >commuting in preference to driving. He thinks he might have used a bus
maybe 5 times in his life, doesn?t know anyone who uses the bus and doesn?t >know what kind of people would use the bus.
He is quite unusual, though - he?s temporarily resident in Edinburgh and >walks and uses PT; he doesn?t have a car in the UK.
On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 09:08:38 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
According to hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk>:
Genuine Question: Do you think their opinion is that HEx isn'tThe latter. They're brainwashed by living in Los Angeles and simply >>>>>> cannot imagine anyone taking a local train or bus. It's the same thing >>>>>> at every meeting -- in Dublin the Aircoach stopped across the street >>>>>> from our hotel, but they never mentioned it.
sufficiently safe? Or have they just failed to research it properly. >>>>>>
As in they literally cannot imagine?
That is my impression. My recollection is that I asked about it a while ago and
there might as well have been a whooshing noise. I have a secret theory that
the interview for the travel department consists of one question "Have you ever
set foot outside of Los Angeles county?" with the only acceptable answer being "no".
I send notes to the committee I'm on with transit advice and they always thank
me and use it.
Los Angeles has commuter trains and a skimpy but growing set of light and >>>> heavy rail, but a lot of angelenos would never dream of using them because,
you know, the element.
I know a couple of Angelenos here in Edinburgh. Next time I see them I?ll >>> ask if they ever use public transport.
I spoke to one of my Angeleno friends this evening, a guy in his late >>twenties. He lives and works near to a rail line and uses the train for >>commuting in preference to driving. He thinks he might have used a bus >>maybe 5 times in his life, doesn?t know anyone who uses the bus and doesn?t >>know what kind of people would use the bus.
He is quite unusual, though - he?s temporarily resident in Edinburgh and >>walks and uses PT; he doesn?t have a car in the UK.
Even in London, one of my friends really resists using his twirly pass on buses. He'd rather take a longer, more
complicated route by rail/Tube than use a Super Loop bus.
If you want to prevent particulates perhaps suggest to Sadiq Khunt
that he ban wood burning stoves as they're a far more potent source
than a modern car.
In message <10v71gc$2r924$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:10:04 on Wed, 27 May
2026, boltar@battlestar-galactica.com remarked:
If you want to prevent particulates perhaps suggest to Sadiq Khunt
that he ban wood burning stoves as they're a far more potent source
than a modern car.
I have what's common called a "wood burning stove", but the main fuel I
use is pellets made allegedly from processed Olive kernels. And appears
to claim it's in some sense "approved".
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:39:58 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10v71gc$2r924$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:10:04 on Wed, 27 May
2026, boltar@battlestar-galactica.com remarked:
If you want to prevent particulates perhaps suggest to Sadiq Khunt
that he ban wood burning stoves as they're a far more potent source
than a modern car.
I have what's common called a "wood burning stove", but the main fuel I
use is pellets made allegedly from processed Olive kernels. And appears
to claim it's in some sense "approved".
Doesn't make a lot of difference. Stoves have zero filters, everything just goes straight up the chimney, so it could be burning natural gas and it would
still produce more non CO2 pollution than a car.
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
Doesn't make a lot of difference. Stoves have zero filters, everything just >> goes straight up the chimney, so it could be burning natural gas and it >would
still produce more non CO2 pollution than a car.
There?s significantly more cars belching particulates than wood burning >stoves, especially in urban areas where the issue is most acute.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:43:31 -0000 (UTC)
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
Doesn't make a lot of difference. Stoves have zero filters, everything just >>> goes straight up the chimney, so it could be burning natural gas and itwould
still produce more non CO2 pollution than a car.
There?s significantly more cars belching particulates than wood burning
stoves, especially in urban areas where the issue is most acute.
Well if its only numbers that matter then we don't need the ULEZ do we given the majority of the vehicles that it restricts have already been scrapped?
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:39:58 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10v71gc$2r924$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:10:04 on Wed, 27 May >>2026, boltar@battlestar-galactica.com remarked:
If you want to prevent particulates
perhaps suggest to Sadiq Khunt
that he ban wood burning stoves as they're a far more potent source
than a modern car.
I have what's common called a "wood burning stove", but the main fuel
I use is pellets made allegedly from processed Olive kernels. And
appears to claim it's in some sense "approved".
Doesn't make a lot of difference. Stoves have zero filters, everything just >goes straight up the chimney, so it could be burning natural gas and it >would still produce more non CO2
pollution than a car.
In message <110ekqo$353j2$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:39:04 on Thu, 11 Jun
2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:39:58 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10v71gc$2r924$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:10:04 on Wed, 27
May 2026, boltar@battlestar-galactica.com remarked:
If you want to prevent particulates
Particulates
perhaps suggest to Sadiq Khunt
that he ban wood burning stoves as they're a far more potent source
than a modern car.
I have what's common called a "wood burning stove", but the main fuel
I use is pellets made allegedly from processed Olive kernels. And
appears to claim it's in some sense "approved".
Doesn't make a lot of difference. Stoves have zero filters, everything
just
goes straight up the chimney, so it could be burning natural gas and
it would still produce more non CO2
CO2
pollution than a car.
Make your mind up.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:39:58 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10v71gc$2r924$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:10:04 on Wed, 27 May >2026, boltar@battlestar-galactica.com remarked:
If you want to prevent particulates perhaps suggest to Sadiq Khunt
that he ban wood burning stoves as they're a far more potent source
than a modern car.
I have what's common called a "wood burning stove", but the main fuel I >use is pellets made allegedly from processed Olive kernels. And appears
to claim it's in some sense "approved".
Doesn't make a lot of difference. Stoves have zero filters
In message <110ekqo$353j2$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:39:04 on Thu, 11 Jun
2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:39:58 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10v71gc$2r924$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:10:04 on Wed, 27 May >>>2026, boltar@battlestar-galactica.com remarked:
If you want to prevent particulates
Particulates
perhaps suggest to Sadiq Khunt
that he ban wood burning stoves as they're a far more potent source >>>>than a modern car.
I have what's common called a "wood burning stove", but the main fuel
I use is pellets made allegedly from processed Olive kernels. And >>>appears to claim it's in some sense "approved".
Doesn't make a lot of difference. Stoves have zero filters, everything just >>goes straight up the chimney, so it could be burning natural gas and it >>would still produce more non CO2
CO2
pollution than a car.
Make your mind up.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 19:13:20 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <110ekqo$353j2$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:39:04 on Thu, 11 Jun >>2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:39:58 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10v71gc$2r924$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:10:04 on Wed, 27
May 2026, boltar@battlestar-galactica.com remarked:
If you want to prevent particulates
Particulates
perhaps suggest to Sadiq Khunt
that he ban wood burning stoves as they're a far more potent source >>>>>than a modern car.
I have what's common called a "wood burning stove", but the main
fuel I use is pellets made allegedly from processed Olive kernels.
And appears to claim it's in some sense "approved".
Doesn't make a lot of difference. Stoves have zero filters, everything just >>>goes straight up the chimney, so it could be burning natural gas and
it would still produce more non CO2
CO2
pollution than a car.
Make your mind up.
Huh? We're talking particulates.
I doubt a stove produces more CO2 than a car for any significant
driving.
In message <10v71gc$2r924$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:10:04 on Wed, 27 May
2026, boltar@battlestar-galactica.com remarked:
If you want to prevent particulates perhaps suggest to Sadiq Khunt
that he ban wood burning stoves as they're a far more potent source than
a modern car.
I have what's common called a "wood burning stove", but the main fuel I use is pellets made allegedly from processed Olive kernels. And appears to
claim it's in some sense "approved".
In message <110gmg2$243oi$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:19:46 on Fri, 12 Jun
2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 19:13:20 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <110ekqo$353j2$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:39:04 on Thu, 11 Jun >>>2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:39:58 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10v71gc$2r924$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:10:04 on Wed, 27 >>>>>May 2026, boltar@battlestar-galactica.com remarked:
If you want to prevent particulates
Particulates
perhaps suggest to Sadiq Khunt
that he ban wood burning stoves as they're a far more potent source >>>>>>than a modern car.
I have what's common called a "wood burning stove", but the main >>>>>fuel I use is pellets made allegedly from processed Olive kernels. >>>>>And appears to claim it's in some sense "approved".
Doesn't make a lot of difference. Stoves have zero filters, everything just >>>>goes straight up the chimney, so it could be burning natural gas and >>>>it would still produce more non CO2
CO2
pollution than a car.
Make your mind up.
Huh? We're talking particulates.
How many particulates do the Olive kernal pellets produce?
I doubt a stove produces more CO2 than a car for any significant
driving.
So not relevant.
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