For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how many bottles of wine you bought in the Lille Centre Carrefours.
I think Roland was hauling booze from England to France.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <rRFQR.8264$hI1.8238@fx16.ams1>, at 16:39:51 on Sun, 24 May
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been interesting, >>>>>> but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 billion.
For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the distance between
the stations?
In message <aNJQR.69$t1a.46@fx12.ams1>, at 21:08:22 on Sun, 24 May 2026, >Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <rRFQR.8264$hI1.8238@fx16.ams1>, at 16:39:51 on Sun, 24 May
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been interesting, >>>>>>> but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 billion. >>>>>>For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the distance between >>the stations?
Category error.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been interesting,For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms underground
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 billion. >>>>>>>
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a >>>>>> fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and which end of >>>> the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the distance between >>>the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at 21:09:39 on
Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been interesting,For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms underground
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 billion. >>>>>>>>
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a >>>>>>> fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and which end of >>>>> the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the distance between >>>>the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes from the
exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the
platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station".
In message <ssj81lhv3rg519dc4fnnnfg5pnu0arrjll@4ax.com>, at 14:33:48 on
Mon, 25 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I think Roland was hauling booze from England to France.For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how many bottles of wine you bought in the Lille Centre Carrefours. >>
Do try to keep up! I was hauling a vintage computer, which was too difficult[because of Brexit]/fragile to send by courier
On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at 21:09:39 on >>Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>interesting,For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms >>>>>>>>>underground
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 billion. >>>>>>>>>
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a >>>>>>>> fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and which end of >>>>>> the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the distance between >>>>>the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two >>>stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes from the >>exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the
platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station".
To remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at least
a fifteen minute walk apart". Nothing about walking along platforms.
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, at 14:36:32 on
Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at 21:09:39 on
Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>> interesting,For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms >>>>>>>>>> underground
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 billion. >>>>>>>>>>
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a >>>>>>>>> fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and which end of >>>>>>> the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the distance between >>>>>> the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two
stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes from the
exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the
platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station".
To remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at least
a fifteen minute walk apart". Nothing about walking along platforms.
And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, at 14:36:32 on
Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at 21:09:39 on >>>> Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>> Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>>> interesting,
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 billion. >>>>>>>>>>>For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms >>>>>>>>>>> underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a >>>>>>>>>> fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and which end of >>>>>>>> the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the distance between
the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two
stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes from the >>>> exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the
platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station".
To remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at least
a fifteen minute walk apart". Nothing about walking along platforms.
And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances.
If someone asked you how long it took to walk to Euston from Kings Cross, >would you include walking along the platforms?
I don?t think even you would do that! Any normal person would cite
the walk from concourse to concourse.
In message <yQUTR.3294$xwgc.873@fx17.ams1>, at 12:10:06 on Wed, 3 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, at 14:36:32 on
Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at 21:09:39 on >>>>> Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting,
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 billion. >>>>>>>>>>>>For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms >>>>>>>>>>>> underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a >>>>>>>>>>> fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the distance between
the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two
stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes from the >>>>> exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the
platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station".
To remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at least >>>> a fifteen minute walk apart". Nothing about walking along platforms.
And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances.
If someone asked you how long it took to walk to Euston from Kings Cross, >>would you include walking along the platforms?
Yes, I would. If you are at the country end of both trains, that almost >doubles the distance.
I don?t think even you would do that! Any normal person would cite
the walk from concourse to concourse.
Which would indeed be "normal", but very unhelpful.
On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 15:12:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <yQUTR.3294$xwgc.873@fx17.ams1>, at 12:10:06 on Wed, 3 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, at 14:36:32 on >>>> Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>>And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances.
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at 21:09:39 on >>>>>> Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting,
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms >>>>>>>>>>>>> underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and >>>>>>>>>>which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the >>>>>>>>>distance between
the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two >>>>>>> stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes from the >>>>>> exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the >>>>>> platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station".
To remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at least >>>>> a fifteen minute walk apart". Nothing about walking along platforms. >>>>
If someone asked you how long it took to walk to Euston from Kings Cross, >>>would you include walking along the platforms?
Yes, I would. If you are at the country end of both trains, that almost >>doubles the distance.
Not quite, but it doesn't affect the distance between the stations.
This is a particularly bizarre example of your
religious beliefs in action!
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are
at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply,
obviously completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m,
7 min walk.
That's the minimum, but I accept that a doddery old man would probably
take longer than that to walk between the stations.
I don?t think even you would do that! Any normal person would cite
the walk from concourse to concourse.
Which would indeed be "normal", but very unhelpful.
People not suffering from dementia, understand the difference between
the distance between stations, and the total distance between seats on >trains stooped in different stations.
So you admit to having dementure. Interesting.
In message <t3g02l9t1ovb80qam2qit5d060ret7m24v@4ax.com>, at 16:01:38 on
Wed, 3 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 15:12:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <yQUTR.3294$xwgc.873@fx17.ams1>, at 12:10:06 on Wed, 3 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, at 14:36:32 on >>>>> Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:If someone asked you how long it took to walk to Euston from Kings Cross, >>>> would you include walking along the platforms?
On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>>>And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances. >>>>
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at 21:09:39 on >>>>>>> Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting,
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms >>>>>>>>>>>>>> underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and >>>>>>>>>>> which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the
distance between
the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two >>>>>>>> stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes from the >>>>>>> exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the >>>>>>> platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station".
To remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at least >>>>>> a fifteen minute walk apart". Nothing about walking along platforms. >>>>>
Yes, I would. If you are at the country end of both trains, that almost
doubles the distance.
Not quite, but it doesn't affect the distance between the stations.
This is a particularly bizarre example of your
religious beliefs in action!
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are
at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply,
obviously completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m,
7 min walk.
That's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to
how long it takes to change trains.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <t3g02l9t1ovb80qam2qit5d060ret7m24v@4ax.com>, at 16:01:38 on
Wed, 3 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 15:12:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>
In message <yQUTR.3294$xwgc.873@fx17.ams1>, at 12:10:06 on Wed, 3 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, at 14:36:32 on >>>>>> Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:If someone asked you how long it took to walk to Euston from Kings Cross, >>>>> would you include walking along the platforms?
On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances. >>>>>
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at 21:09:39 on
Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting,
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
For that sort of money you could have bored some new platforms >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and >>>>>>>>>>>> which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the >>>>>>>>>>> distance between
the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two >>>>>>>>> stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes from the
exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the >>>>>>>> platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station".
To remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at least >>>>>>> a fifteen minute walk apart". Nothing about walking along platforms. >>>>>>
Yes, I would. If you are at the country end of both trains, that almost >>>> doubles the distance.
Not quite, but it doesn't affect the distance between the stations.
This is a particularly bizarre example of your
religious beliefs in action!
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are
at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply,
obviously completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m,
7 min walk.
That's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to
how long it takes to change trains.
Yes, you were wrongly stating that, ?the two stations in Lille are at least
a fifteen minute walk apart". They?re actually less than half that.
But, tbf, an exaggeration of only 114% is pretty good for you. You?re not usually that accurate.
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille
are at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply, obviously >>>completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
That's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to
how long it takes to change trains.
Yes, you were wrongly stating that, ?the two stations in Lille are at least
a fifteen minute walk apart". They?re actually less than half that.
But, tbf, an exaggeration of only 114% is pretty good for you. You?re not >usually that accurate.
In message <koxVR.7917$UP_b.7676@fx12.ams1>, at 11:08:00 on Mon, 8 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in LilleThat's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to
are at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply, obviously
completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk. >>>
how long it takes to change trains.
Yes, you were wrongly stating that, ?the two stations in Lille are at least >> a fifteen minute walk apart". They?re actually less than half that.
But, tbf, an exaggeration of only 114% is pretty good for you. You?re not >> usually that accurate.
I've decided you are being deliberately obtuse. So this will be my last posting on the subject.
I did not say the station **ENTRANCES** were a fifteen minute walk, just
the stations.
As an analogy, I presume you'd claim the distance between SPILL and the Victoria Line is zero, as they are both inside Kings Cross St Pancras.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <koxVR.7917$UP_b.7676@fx12.ams1>, at 11:08:00 on Mon, 8 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in LilleThat's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to >>>> how long it takes to change trains.
are at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply, obviously
completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk. >>>>
Yes, you were wrongly stating that, ?the two stations in Lille are
at least
a fifteen minute walk apart". They?re actually less than half that.
But, tbf, an exaggeration of only 114% is pretty good for you. You?re not >>> usually that accurate.
I've decided you are being deliberately obtuse. So this will be my last
posting on the subject.
I did not say the station **ENTRANCES** were a fifteen minute walk, just
the stations.
You said stations, which in human-speak, means the distance between
entrances or concourses. If you?d meant the total travel time between your >reserved seats on the two trains, you?d have said so.
As an analogy, I presume you'd claim the distance between SPILL and the
Victoria Line is zero, as they are both inside Kings Cross St Pancras.
Vroom, vroom, as your speeding goal posts accelerate into the distance.
Life for you would be so much simpler if you broke your religious vows >occasionally.
In message <t3g02l9t1ovb80qam2qit5d060ret7m24v@4ax.com>, at 16:01:38 on
Wed, 3 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 15:12:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <yQUTR.3294$xwgc.873@fx17.ams1>, at 12:10:06 on Wed, 3 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, atIf someone asked you how long it took to walk to Euston from Kings
14:36:32 on
Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>> wrote:And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances. >>>>
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at
21:09:39 on
Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting,
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>For that sort of money you could have bored some new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms
underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at >>>>>>>>>>>>> least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and >>>>>>>>>>> which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the
distance between
the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two >>>>>>>> stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes
from the
exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the >>>>>>> platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station".
To remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at
least
a fifteen minute walk apart".ÿ Nothing about walking along platforms. >>>>>
Cross,
would you include walking along the platforms?
Yes, I would. If you are at the country end of both trains, that almost
doubles the distance.
Not quite, but it doesn't affect the distance between the stations.
This is a particularly bizarre example of your
religious beliefs in action!
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are
at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply,
obviously completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m, 7
min walk.
That's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to
how long it takes to change trains.
Am 08.06.2026 um 08:24 schrieb Roland Perry:
In message <t3g02l9t1ovb80qam2qit5d060ret7m24v@4ax.com>, at 16:01:38 on
Wed, 3 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 15:12:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>
In message <yQUTR.3294$xwgc.873@fx17.ams1>, at 12:10:06 on Wed, 3 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, atIf someone asked you how long it took to walk to Euston from Kings
14:36:32 on
Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>>> wrote:And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances. >>>>>
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at
21:09:39 on
Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting,
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For that sort of money you could have bored some new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms
underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and >>>>>>>>>>>> which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the >>>>>>>>>>> distance between
the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two >>>>>>>>> stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes >>>>>>>> from the
exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the >>>>>>>> platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station".
To remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at >>>>>>> least
a fifteen minute walk apart".ÿ Nothing about walking along platforms. >>>>>>
Cross,
would you include walking along the platforms?
Yes, I would. If you are at the country end of both trains, that almost >>>> doubles the distance.
Not quite, but it doesn't affect the distance between the stations.
This is a particularly bizarre example of your
religious beliefs in action!
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are
at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply,
obviously completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m, 7
min walk.
That's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to
how long it takes to change trains.
So precision in making statements is extremely important. The 'distance
by foot in minutes' is different from the 'typical time you need to
catch a connection'.
As an extreme scenario, you would not say that the Eurostar platform in Brussels is 30 minutes away from the station concourse but that's what
it takes to go through security ;-)
In message <dVyVR.7918$UP_b.5229@fx12.ams1>, at 12:51:21 on Mon, 8 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <koxVR.7917$UP_b.7676@fx12.ams1>, at 11:08:00 on Mon, 8 Jun
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille >>>>>> are at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply, obviouslyThat's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to >>>>> how long it takes to change trains.
completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk. >>>>>
Yes, you were wrongly stating that, ?the two stations in Lille are
at least
a fifteen minute walk apart". They?re actually less than half that.
But, tbf, an exaggeration of only 114% is pretty good for you. You?re not >>>> usually that accurate.
I've decided you are being deliberately obtuse. So this will be my last
posting on the subject.
I did not say the station **ENTRANCES** were a fifteen minute walk, just >>> the stations.
You said stations, which in human-speak, means the distance between >>entrances or concourses. If you?d meant the total travel time between your >>reserved seats on the two trains, you?d have said so.
As an analogy, I presume you'd claim the distance between SPILL and the
Victoria Line is zero, as they are both inside Kings Cross St Pancras.
Vroom, vroom, as your speeding goal posts accelerate into the distance.
Life for you would be so much simpler if you broke your religious vows >>occasionally.
Reminder: because of your deliberate obtuseness, I'm not going to answer
any of those points.
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Am 08.06.2026 um 08:24 schrieb Roland Perry:
In message <t3g02l9t1ovb80qam2qit5d060ret7m24v@4ax.com>, at 16:01:38 on >>> Wed, 3 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 15:12:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>
In message <yQUTR.3294$xwgc.873@fx17.ams1>, at 12:10:06 on Wed, 3 Jun >>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, atIf someone asked you how long it took to walk to Euston from Kings >>>>>> Cross,
14:36:32 on
Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>>>> wrote:
And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances. >>>>>>
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at >>>>>>>>> 21:09:39 on
Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting,
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For that sort of money you could have bored some new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms
underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the >>>>>>>>>>>> distance between
the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two >>>>>>>>>> stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes >>>>>>>>> from the
exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the >>>>>>>>> platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station".
To remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at >>>>>>>> least
a fifteen minute walk apart".ÿ Nothing about walking along platforms. >>>>>>>
would you include walking along the platforms?
Yes, I would. If you are at the country end of both trains, that almost >>>>> doubles the distance.
Not quite, but it doesn't affect the distance between the stations.
This is a particularly bizarre example of your
religious beliefs in action!
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are >>>> at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply,
obviously completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m, 7 >>>> min walk.
That's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to >>> how long it takes to change trains.
So precision in making statements is extremely important. The 'distance
by foot in minutes' is different from the 'typical time you need to
catch a connection'.
As an extreme scenario, you would not say that the Eurostar platform in
Brussels is 30 minutes away from the station concourse but that's what
it takes to go through security ;-)
And then you have to sit[1] in that gloomy basement[2] for another half an >hour[3] before you?re allowed to exit via the gift shop[4].
[1] if you?re lucky and can find a seat
[2] at least St Pancras has some daylight
[3] or however long it is before departure you?ve been advised to arrive
[4] which you?ve already entered via
On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 13:58:21 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Am 08.06.2026 um 08:24 schrieb Roland Perry:
In message <t3g02l9t1ovb80qam2qit5d060ret7m24v@4ax.com>, at 16:01:38 on >>>> Wed, 3 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 15:12:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>>
In message <yQUTR.3294$xwgc.873@fx17.ams1>, at 12:10:06 on Wed, 3 Jun >>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, atIf someone asked you how long it took to walk to Euston from Kings >>>>>>> Cross,
14:36:32 on
Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances. >>>>>>>
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at >>>>>>>>>> 21:09:39 on
Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting,
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For that sort of money you could have bored some new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms
underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the >>>>>>>>>>>>> distance between
the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two >>>>>>>>>>> stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes >>>>>>>>>> from the
exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the >>>>>>>>>> platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station".
To remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at >>>>>>>>> least
a fifteen minute walk apart".ÿ Nothing about walking along platforms. >>>>>>>>
would you include walking along the platforms?
Yes, I would. If you are at the country end of both trains, that almost >>>>>> doubles the distance.
Not quite, but it doesn't affect the distance between the stations. >>>>> This is a particularly bizarre example of your
religious beliefs in action!
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are >>>>> at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply,
obviously completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m, 7 >>>>> min walk.
That's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to >>>> how long it takes to change trains.
So precision in making statements is extremely important. The 'distance >>> by foot in minutes' is different from the 'typical time you need to
catch a connection'.
As an extreme scenario, you would not say that the Eurostar platform in >>> Brussels is 30 minutes away from the station concourse but that's what
it takes to go through security ;-)
And then you have to sit[1] in that gloomy basement[2] for another half an >> hour[3] before you?re allowed to exit via the gift shop[4].
[1] if you?re lucky and can find a seat
[2] at least St Pancras has some daylight
[3] or however long it is before departure you?ve been advised to arrive
[4] which you?ve already entered via
Brilliant!
On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 14:17:42 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <dVyVR.7918$UP_b.5229@fx12.ams1>, at 12:51:21 on Mon, 8 Jun >>2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <koxVR.7917$UP_b.7676@fx12.ams1>, at 11:08:00 on Mon, 8 Jun >>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille >>>>>>> are at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply, obviously >>>>>>> completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m, 7 >>>>>>>min walk.
That's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to >>>>>> how long it takes to change trains.
Yes, you were wrongly stating that, ?the two stations in Lille are >>>>>at least
a fifteen minute walk apart". They?re actually less than half that.
But, tbf, an exaggeration of only 114% is pretty good for you. >>>>>You?re not
usually that accurate.
I've decided you are being deliberately obtuse. So this will be my last >>>> posting on the subject.
I did not say the station **ENTRANCES** were a fifteen minute walk, just >>>> the stations.
You said stations, which in human-speak, means the distance between >>>entrances or concourses. If you?d meant the total travel time between your >>>reserved seats on the two trains, you?d have said so.
As an analogy, I presume you'd claim the distance between SPILL and the >>>> Victoria Line is zero, as they are both inside Kings Cross St Pancras.
Vroom, vroom, as your speeding goal posts accelerate into the distance.
Life for you would be so much simpler if you broke your religious vows >>>occasionally.
Reminder: because of your deliberate obtuseness, I'm not going to answer >>any of those points.
Thank you for your very belated admission you were wrong, yet again.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 13:58:21 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
<ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Am 08.06.2026 um 08:24 schrieb Roland Perry:
In message <t3g02l9t1ovb80qam2qit5d060ret7m24v@4ax.com>, at 16:01:38 on >>>>> Wed, 3 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 15:12:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>>>
In message <yQUTR.3294$xwgc.873@fx17.ams1>, at 12:10:06 on Wed, 3 Jun >>>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, at >>>>>>>>> 14:36:32 on
Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at >>>>>>>>>>> 21:09:39 onTo remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at >>>>>>>>>> least
Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting,
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For that sort of money you could have bored some new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms
underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance between
the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two >>>>>>>>>>>> stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk
apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The parameter in question is the time it takes from
stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes >>>>>>>>>>> from the
exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the >>>>>>>>>>> platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station". >>>>>>>>>>
a fifteen minute walk apart".ÿ Nothing about walking along platforms.
And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances.
If someone asked you how long it took to walk to Euston from Kings >>>>>>>> Cross,
would you include walking along the platforms?
Yes, I would. If you are at the country end of both trains, that almost >>>>>>> doubles the distance.
Not quite, but it doesn't affect the distance between the stations. >>>>>> This is a particularly bizarre example of your
religious beliefs in action!
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are >>>>>> at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply,
obviously completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m, 7 >>>>>> min walk.
That's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to >>>>> how long it takes to change trains.
So precision in making statements is extremely important. The 'distance >>>> by foot in minutes' is different from the 'typical time you need to
catch a connection'.
As an extreme scenario, you would not say that the Eurostar platform in >>>> Brussels is 30 minutes away from the station concourse but that's what >>>> it takes to go through security ;-)
And then you have to sit[1] in that gloomy basement[2] for another half an >>> hour[3] before you?re allowed to exit via the gift shop[4].
[1] if you?re lucky and can find a seat
[2] at least St Pancras has some daylight
[3] or however long it is before departure you?ve been advised to arrive >>> [4] which you?ve already entered via
Brilliant!
He?s missed out the 45 minute queue for passport control.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 13:58:21 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
<ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Am 08.06.2026 um 08:24 schrieb Roland Perry:
In message <t3g02l9t1ovb80qam2qit5d060ret7m24v@4ax.com>, at 16:01:38 on >>>>>> Wed, 3 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 15:12:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <yQUTR.3294$xwgc.873@fx17.ams1>, at 12:10:06 on Wed, 3 Jun >>>>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, at >>>>>>>>>> 14:36:32 on
Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at >>>>>>>>>>>> 21:09:39 onTo remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at >>>>>>>>>>> least
Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting,
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For that sort of money you could have bored some new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms
underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance between
the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two >>>>>>>>>>>>> stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk >>>>>>>>>>>>> apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes >>>>>>>>>>>> from theThe parameter in question is the time it takes from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited. >>>>>>>>>>>>
exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the >>>>>>>>>>>> platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station". >>>>>>>>>>>
a fifteen minute walk apart".ÿ Nothing about walking along platforms.
And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances.
If someone asked you how long it took to walk to Euston from Kings >>>>>>>>> Cross,
would you include walking along the platforms?
Yes, I would. If you are at the country end of both trains, that almost
doubles the distance.
Not quite, but it doesn't affect the distance between the stations. >>>>>>> This is a particularly bizarre example of your
religious beliefs in action!
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are >>>>>>> at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply,
obviously completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m, 7 >>>>>>> min walk.
That's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to >>>>>> how long it takes to change trains.
So precision in making statements is extremely important. The 'distance >>>>> by foot in minutes' is different from the 'typical time you need to >>>>> catch a connection'.
As an extreme scenario, you would not say that the Eurostar platform in >>>>> Brussels is 30 minutes away from the station concourse but that's what >>>>> it takes to go through security ;-)
And then you have to sit[1] in that gloomy basement[2] for another half an >>>> hour[3] before you?re allowed to exit via the gift shop[4].
[1] if you?re lucky and can find a seat
[2] at least St Pancras has some daylight
[3] or however long it is before departure you?ve been advised to arrive >>>> [4] which you?ve already entered via
Brilliant!
He?s missed out the 45 minute queue for passport control.
I assumed it was a good day and Rolf?s 30 minutes had covered it.
Sam
That 30 minutes was just for the security queue. Passports is now another long affair. B and NL don?t seem to be covering themselves in glory at the moment. A friend who travelled out on E* to Amsterdam last week said announcements were being made on the train to get to Amsterdam extra early for the return trip. At Brussels in late April the E* exit queue was slow because initially they only staffed 2 of the 4 passport booths and the
egates were not in use. Eventually another 2 passport officers turned up.
The fundamental problem appears to be that the passport staff are
accountable to nobody in the transport industries.
A friend who travelled out on E* to Amsterdam last week said
announcements were being made on the train to get to Amsterdam
extra early for the return trip.
In message <1108ann$3otoa$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:09:59 on Tue, 9 Jun
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
A friend who travelled out on E* to Amsterdam last week said
announcements were being made on the train to get to Amsterdam
extra early for the return trip.
I've experienced three hour delays at Schiphol when returning to UK on
busy Saturday mornings, when we were still members of the EU.
So nothing
changes.
TUI cry hat no problem delaying FRA - FAO my IIRC more than
4 hours and refusing delay repay.
On 09/06/2026 13:30, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
[snip]
TUI cry hat no problem delaying FRA - FAO my IIRC more than
4 hours and refusing delay repay.
I recognise all the words, but they are not in a logical /
understandable order!
ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> posted:
On 09/06/2026 13:30, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
[snip]
TUI cry hat no problem delaying FRA - FAO my IIRC more than
4 hours and refusing delay repay.
I recognise all the words, but they are not in a logical /
understandable order!
You might be in a need of tutoring.
On 2026-06-09 6:52 a.m., Ulf Kutzner wrote:
ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> posted:
On 09/06/2026 13:30, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
[snip]
TUI cry hat no problem delaying FRA - FAO my IIRC more than
4 hours and refusing delay repay.
I recognise all the words, but they are not in a logical /
understandable order!
You might be in a need of tutoring.
Lieber Lehrer: "... cry hat..."? Was sind das?
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> posted:
On 2026-06-09 6:52 a.m., Ulf Kutzner wrote:
ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> posted:
On 09/06/2026 13:30, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
[snip]
TUI cry hat no problem delaying FRA - FAO my IIRC more than
4 hours and refusing delay repay.
I recognise all the words, but they are not in a logical /
understandable order!
You might be in a need of tutoring.
Lieber Lehrer: "... cry hat..."? Was sind das?
had. My misspelling, my bad.
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 13:58:21 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
<ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Am 08.06.2026 um 08:24 schrieb Roland Perry:
In message <t3g02l9t1ovb80qam2qit5d060ret7m24v@4ax.com>, at 16:01:38 on
Wed, 3 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 15:12:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <yQUTR.3294$xwgc.873@fx17.ams1>, at 12:10:06 on Wed, 3 Jun >>>>>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <p1nt1ltcascrlm3ghhi2irs4anh4aebf7s@4ax.com>, at >>>>>>>>>>> 14:36:32 on
Tue, 2 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 14:13:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
In message <5lpr1lpkirjg1ik198od947623kskv8ov6@4ax.com>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>> 21:09:39 onTo remind you again, you said, "the two stations in Lille are at >>>>>>>>>>>> least
Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting two more tracks through New Street would have been
interesting,For that sort of money you could have bored some new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms
but I suppose you can buy quite a lot of tunnel for œ102 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
underground
as was done in Lille for the TGV.
I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are at
least a
fifteen minute walk apart.
Google says it?s a 550m, 7 min walk.
Depends how fast you walk, how heavy your luggage is, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which end of
the platform you start from.
How does your starting point on the platform affect the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance between
the stations?
Category error.
I was simply responding to your incorrect station that, "The two >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stations in Lille are at least a fifteen minute walk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apart".
Depends how fast one is able to walk.
The category error is that I didn't say it was fifteen minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>> from theThe parameter in question is the time it takes from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stepping off one train, to stepping on another.
That's a different measure, and not the one you cited. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
exit of one station to the entrance of the other. Halfway down the
platform (potentially at each end) is still "the station". >>>>>>>>>>>>
a fifteen minute walk apart".ÿ Nothing about walking along platforms.
And to remind *you* again, I didn't specify that it was the entrances.
If someone asked you how long it took to walk to Euston from Kings >>>>>>>>>> Cross,
would you include walking along the platforms?
Yes, I would. If you are at the country end of both trains, that almost
doubles the distance.
Not quite, but it doesn't affect the distance between the stations. >>>>>>>> This is a particularly bizarre example of your
religious beliefs in action!
Your remark, "I was there last year, and the two stations in Lille are
at least a fifteen minute walk apart" was simply,
obviously completely wrong. I believe Google which says it?s a 550m, 7
min walk.
That's between the station entrances, which as we know is irrelevant to
how long it takes to change trains.
So precision in making statements is extremely important. The 'distance
by foot in minutes' is different from the 'typical time you need to >>>>>> catch a connection'.
As an extreme scenario, you would not say that the Eurostar platform in >>>>>> Brussels is 30 minutes away from the station concourse but that's what >>>>>> it takes to go through security ;-)
And then you have to sit[1] in that gloomy basement[2] for another half an
hour[3] before you?re allowed to exit via the gift shop[4].
[1] if you?re lucky and can find a seat
[2] at least St Pancras has some daylight
[3] or however long it is before departure you?ve been advised to arrive >>>>> [4] which you?ve already entered via
Brilliant!
He?s missed out the 45 minute queue for passport control.
I assumed it was a good day and Rolf?s 30 minutes had covered it.
Sam
That 30 minutes was just for the security queue. Passports is now another long affair. B and NL don?t seem to be covering themselves in glory at the moment. A friend who travelled out on E* to Amsterdam last week said announcements were being made on the train to get to Amsterdam extra early for the return trip. At Brussels in late April the E* exit queue was slow because initially they only staffed 2 of the 4 passport booths and the
egates were not in use. Eventually another 2 passport officers turned up.
The fundamental problem appears to be that the passport staff are
accountable to nobody in the transport industries.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
That 30 minutes was just for the security queue. Passports is now another
long affair. B and NL don?t seem to be covering themselves in glory at the >> moment. A friend who travelled out on E* to Amsterdam last week said
announcements were being made on the train to get to Amsterdam extra early >> for the return trip. At Brussels in late April the E* exit queue was slow
because initially they only staffed 2 of the 4 passport booths and the
egates were not in use. Eventually another 2 passport officers turned up.
The fundamental problem appears to be that the passport staff are
accountable to nobody in the transport industries.
That was the problem with train services from Prague/Budapest
to the Black Sea:
Either the train was full and delayed by hours by
border services* and subsequent pathing problems, or
it was half-empty and loss-making**.
*) they could try again now but see the second part of **.I was hoping to visit Germany and Switzerland by rail this year but the
**) Something with delay-repay under EU-rules and
'never again' for the crowded trains...
On 09/06/2026 07:41, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
I was hoping to visit Germany and Switzerland by rail this year but the travel chaos is making journeys to and from the EU unviable.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
That 30 minutes was just for the security queue. Passports is now another >>> long affair. B and NL don?t seem to be covering themselves in glory at the >>> moment. A friend who travelled out on E* to Amsterdam last week said
announcements were being made on the train to get to Amsterdam extra early >>> for the return trip. At Brussels in late April the E* exit queue was slow >>> because initially they only staffed 2 of the 4 passport booths and the
egates were not in use. Eventually another 2 passport officers turned up. >>> The fundamental problem appears to be that the passport staff are
accountable to nobody in the transport industries.
That was the problem with train services from Prague/Budapest
to the Black Sea:
Either the train was full and delayed by hours by
border services* and subsequent pathing problems, or
it was half-empty and loss-making**.
*) they could try again now but see the second part of **.
**) Something with delay-repay under EU-rules and
'never again' for the crowded trains...
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2026/may/30/britons-travelling-home-via-eu-airports-should-allow-three-hours-before-flights-eu-ees
I saw an article somewhere which I now cannot find suggesting this chaos will continue into the new year.
On 09/06/2026 07:41, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
That 30 minutes was just for the security queue. Passports is now another >> long affair. B and NL don?t seem to be covering themselves in glory at the >> moment. A friend who travelled out on E* to Amsterdam last week said
announcements were being made on the train to get to Amsterdam extra early >> for the return trip. At Brussels in late April the E* exit queue was slow >> because initially they only staffed 2 of the 4 passport booths and the
egates were not in use. Eventually another 2 passport officers turned up. >> The fundamental problem appears to be that the passport staff are
accountable to nobody in the transport industries.
That was the problem with train services from Prague/Budapest
to the Black Sea:
Either the train was full and delayed by hours by
border services* and subsequent pathing problems, or
it was half-empty and loss-making**.
*) they could try again now but see the second part of **.I was hoping to visit Germany and Switzerland by rail this year but the travel chaos is making journeys to and from the EU unviable.
**) Something with delay-repay under EU-rules and
'never again' for the crowded trains...
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2026/may/30/britons-travelling-home-via-eu-airports-should-allow-three-hours-before-flights-eu-ees
Martin <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
On 09/06/2026 07:41, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
I was hoping to visit Germany and Switzerland by rail this year but the
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
That 30 minutes was just for the security queue. Passports is now another >>>> long affair. B and NL don?t seem to be covering themselves in glory at the >>>> moment. A friend who travelled out on E* to Amsterdam last week said
announcements were being made on the train to get to Amsterdam extra early >>>> for the return trip. At Brussels in late April the E* exit queue was slow >>>> because initially they only staffed 2 of the 4 passport booths and the >>>> egates were not in use. Eventually another 2 passport officers turned up. >>>> The fundamental problem appears to be that the passport staff are
accountable to nobody in the transport industries.
That was the problem with train services from Prague/Budapest
to the Black Sea:
Either the train was full and delayed by hours by
border services* and subsequent pathing problems, or
it was half-empty and loss-making**.
*) they could try again now but see the second part of **.
**) Something with delay-repay under EU-rules and
'never again' for the crowded trains...
travel chaos is making journeys to and from the EU unviable.
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2026/may/30/britons-travelling-home-via-eu-airports-should-allow-three-hours-before-flights-eu-ees
I saw an article somewhere which I now cannot find suggesting this chaos
will continue into the new year.
Not really. Eurostar border control is working.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
I was hoping to visit Germany and Switzerland by rail this year but the
travel chaos is making journeys to and from the EU unviable.
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2026/may/30/britons-travelling-home-via-eu-airports-should-allow-three-hours-before-flights-eu-ees
I saw an article somewhere which I now cannot find suggesting this chaos >>> will continue into the new year.
Not really. Eurostar border control is working.
Just entered via Warsaw Chopin airport. Zero queue and through the manned passport check in about a minute. No sign of self service machines or
egates. Got stoped at the green customs channel though. First time in my
life as far as can remember. Asked if I had large amounts of cash, food or presents. Sent on my way after saying no.
Random observations:
* OBB's Railjet 'Business Class' really is jolly good, definitely worth
it for the tiny premium over the 1st class ticket,
* The WiFi is completely unusable though, at least once on the Hungarian side of the border. Which in and of itself wouldn't normally be a
problem - mobile coverage was fine - but the "order at seat" service requires you to be on the train's WiFi to work (so, it didn't.)
* OBB's cheeseboard is excellent. Highly recommended.
A friend who travelled out on E* to Amsterdam last week said
announcements were being made on the train to get to Amsterdam
extra early for the return trip.
I've experienced three hour delays at Schiphol when returning to UK on
busy Saturday mornings, when we were still members of the EU.
Was that due to ID checks?
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