• Re: Bye Bye GTR

    From Sam Wilson@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, June 07, 2026 20:26:06
    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Nobody <jock@soccer.com> posted:

    On 2026-05-27 1:31 p.m., Arthur Figgis wrote:
    On 21/05/2026 13:13, Recliner wrote:
    other national
    railways don?t base their logos on the national flag or even its colours. >>>
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_5.jpg


    Intriguing to note the operational name and logo reflects English usage
    rather than Georgian and its alphabet. Even the destination board/blind
    has Tbilisi.

    May be able to switch?

    Not sure about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Railway#/media/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_3.jpg

    That second one has Georgian Railway in English by the door (and the Latin alphabet logo), but the first link shows the railway name in the Georgian alphabet. I?d guess it might be different on different parts of the train.

    Sam

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  • From hounslow3@3:633/10 to All on Monday, June 08, 2026 13:38:31
    On 07/06/2026 21:26, Sam Wilson wrote:
    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Nobody <jock@soccer.com> posted:

    On 2026-05-27 1:31 p.m., Arthur Figgis wrote:
    On 21/05/2026 13:13, Recliner wrote:
    other national
    railways don?t base their logos on the national flag or even its colours. >>>>
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_5.jpg


    Intriguing to note the operational name and logo reflects English usage
    rather than Georgian and its alphabet. Even the destination board/blind >>> has Tbilisi.

    May be able to switch?

    Not sure about
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Railway#/media/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_3.jpg

    That second one has Georgian Railway in English by the door (and the Latin alphabet logo), but the first link shows the railway name in the Georgian alphabet. I?d guess it might be different on different parts of the train.

    Sam

    Several integrated rail companies or rail operators around the world use
    an English-language name, such as JR and Korail, respectively in Japan
    and South Korea.

    In Greece, the main passenger operator is Hellenic Train.

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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 09, 2026 06:44:40

    hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> posted:

    On 07/06/2026 21:26, Sam Wilson wrote:
    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Nobody <jock@soccer.com> posted:

    On 2026-05-27 1:31 p.m., Arthur Figgis wrote:
    On 21/05/2026 13:13, Recliner wrote:
    other national
    railways don?t base their logos on the national flag or even its colours.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_5.jpg


    Intriguing to note the operational name and logo reflects English usage >>> rather than Georgian and its alphabet. Even the destination board/blind >>> has Tbilisi.

    May be able to switch?

    Not sure about
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Railway#/media/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_3.jpg

    That second one has Georgian Railway in English by the door (and the Latin alphabet logo), but the first link shows the railway name in the Georgian alphabet. I?d guess it might be different on different parts of the train.

    Sam

    Several integrated rail companies or rail operators around the world use
    an English-language name, such as JR and Korail, respectively in Japan
    and South Korea.

    In Greece, the main passenger operator is Hellenic Train.

    Former TrainsOSE bought by Ferrovie dello Stato Italiane.

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  • From hounslow3@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 09, 2026 17:35:07
    On 09/06/2026 07:44, Ulf Kutzner wrote:

    hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> posted:

    On 07/06/2026 21:26, Sam Wilson wrote:
    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Nobody <jock@soccer.com> posted:

    On 2026-05-27 1:31 p.m., Arthur Figgis wrote:
    On 21/05/2026 13:13, Recliner wrote:
    other national
    railways don?t base their logos on the national flag or even its colours.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_5.jpg


    Intriguing to note the operational name and logo reflects English usage >>>>> rather than Georgian and its alphabet. Even the destination board/blind >>>>> has Tbilisi.

    May be able to switch?

    Not sure about
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Railway#/media/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_3.jpg

    That second one has Georgian Railway in English by the door (and the Latin >>> alphabet logo), but the first link shows the railway name in the Georgian >>> alphabet. I?d guess it might be different on different parts of the train. >>>
    Sam

    Several integrated rail companies or rail operators around the world use
    an English-language name, such as JR and Korail, respectively in Japan
    and South Korea.

    In Greece, the main passenger operator is Hellenic Train.

    Former TrainsOSE bought by Ferrovie dello Stato Italiane.


    That is, FS bought TrainOSE and renamed it to Hellenic Train?

    On first glance, I wonder if that was a good idea, considering what I understand to be the Greek rail network's parlous state.

    They have also had trouble running cross border trains to North
    Macedonia as well as to Bulgaria.


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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, June 10, 2026 11:03:25

    hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> posted:

    On 09/06/2026 07:44, Ulf Kutzner wrote:

    hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> posted:

    On 07/06/2026 21:26, Sam Wilson wrote:
    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Nobody <jock@soccer.com> posted:

    On 2026-05-27 1:31 p.m., Arthur Figgis wrote:
    On 21/05/2026 13:13, Recliner wrote:
    other national
    railways don?t base their logos on the national flag or even its colours.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_5.jpg


    Intriguing to note the operational name and logo reflects English usage >>>>> rather than Georgian and its alphabet. Even the destination board/blind
    has Tbilisi.

    May be able to switch?

    Not sure about
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Railway#/media/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_3.jpg

    That second one has Georgian Railway in English by the door (and the Latin
    alphabet logo), but the first link shows the railway name in the Georgian >>> alphabet. I?d guess it might be different on different parts of the train.

    Sam

    Several integrated rail companies or rail operators around the world use >> an English-language name, such as JR and Korail, respectively in Japan
    and South Korea.

    In Greece, the main passenger operator is Hellenic Train.

    Former TrainsOSE bought by Ferrovie dello Stato Italiane.


    That is, FS bought TrainOSE and renamed it to Hellenic Train?

    And they even sent tilting high-speed trainsets and rebuilt them:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS_Class_ETR_470#Export https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_Train

    On first glance, I wonder if that was a good idea, considering what I understand to be the Greek rail network's parlous state.

    It went much worse later.

    Regards, ULF

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  • From hounslow3@3:633/10 to All on Friday, June 12, 2026 21:50:10
    On 10/06/2026 12:03, Ulf Kutzner wrote:

    hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> posted:

    On 09/06/2026 07:44, Ulf Kutzner wrote:

    hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> posted:

    On 07/06/2026 21:26, Sam Wilson wrote:
    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Nobody <jock@soccer.com> posted:

    On 2026-05-27 1:31 p.m., Arthur Figgis wrote:
    On 21/05/2026 13:13, Recliner wrote:
    other national
    railways don?t base their logos on the national flag or even its colours.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_5.jpg


    Intriguing to note the operational name and logo reflects English usage >>>>>>> rather than Georgian and its alphabet. Even the destination board/blind
    has Tbilisi.

    May be able to switch?

    Not sure about
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Railway#/media/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_3.jpg

    That second one has Georgian Railway in English by the door (and the Latin
    alphabet logo), but the first link shows the railway name in the Georgian >>>>> alphabet. I?d guess it might be different on different parts of the train.

    Sam

    Several integrated rail companies or rail operators around the world use >>>> an English-language name, such as JR and Korail, respectively in Japan >>>> and South Korea.

    In Greece, the main passenger operator is Hellenic Train.

    Former TrainsOSE bought by Ferrovie dello Stato Italiane.


    That is, FS bought TrainOSE and renamed it to Hellenic Train?

    And they even sent tilting high-speed trainsets and rebuilt them:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS_Class_ETR_470#Export https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_Train

    On first glance, I wonder if that was a good idea, considering what I
    understand to be the Greek rail network's parlous state.

    It went much worse later.

    Regards, ULF

    How so?


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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, June 13, 2026 06:51:22

    hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> posted:

    On 10/06/2026 12:03, Ulf Kutzner wrote:

    hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> posted:

    On 09/06/2026 07:44, Ulf Kutzner wrote:

    hounslow3 <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> posted:

    On 07/06/2026 21:26, Sam Wilson wrote:
    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Nobody <jock@soccer.com> posted:

    On 2026-05-27 1:31 p.m., Arthur Figgis wrote:
    On 21/05/2026 13:13, Recliner wrote:
    other national
    railways don?t base their logos on the national flag or even its colours.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_5.jpg


    Intriguing to note the operational name and logo reflects English usage
    rather than Georgian and its alphabet. Even the destination board/blind
    has Tbilisi.

    May be able to switch?

    Not sure about
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Railway#/media/File:Georgian_Railway_GRS_Class_at_Tbilisi_3.jpg

    That second one has Georgian Railway in English by the door (and the Latin
    alphabet logo), but the first link shows the railway name in the Georgian
    alphabet. I?d guess it might be different on different parts of the train.

    Sam

    Several integrated rail companies or rail operators around the world use >>>> an English-language name, such as JR and Korail, respectively in Japan >>>> and South Korea.

    In Greece, the main passenger operator is Hellenic Train.

    Former TrainsOSE bought by Ferrovie dello Stato Italiane.


    That is, FS bought TrainOSE and renamed it to Hellenic Train?

    And they even sent tilting high-speed trainsets and rebuilt them:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS_Class_ETR_470#Export https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_Train

    On first glance, I wonder if that was a good idea, considering what I
    understand to be the Greek rail network's parlous state.

    It went much worse later.


    How so?

    Maybe they were just lucky between 2017 and 2023 when the
    Tempi train crash happened.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempi_train_crash#Causes_of_the_fatality

    Regards, ULF

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