From the Sunday Times
Recycling rules mean some stations get 28 bins, some get zero
Residents are finding dirty nappies and coffee cups in their recycling
after unstaffed Govia Thameslink stations lost their own
At Ockley train station in Surrey, Jason Wright picks up an empty vape box >discarded on the platform. Next to it, there is a half-eaten sandwich
wrapped in clingfilm that he shovels off the ground. Last week, someone
left the remnants of their McDonald?s dinner.
?But had there been a bin there, I?m sure people would have used
it,? said
Wright, who has lived next to the station for the past 55 years.
The NHS worker turned part-time litter picker is one of hundreds of
residents in the South East of England whose local stations have had their >bins removed in the past few weeks, due to new government recycling >regulations.
Since March 31, the Department for Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) has >required businesses to start separating food, recycling and general waste
at the point of disposal.
As a result, Govia Thameslink Railway (GTR), the company that operates >Southern, Thameslink, Great Northern and the Gatwick Express, introduced
new recycling bins at busy stations across its network. GTR runs the UK?s >largest railway franchise, covering 236 stations across London, Surrey and >Sussex.
At some larger stations with high footfall, including Horsham in West
Sussex, the number of bins increased to as many as 28. The bins have been >divided into general waste for hot drink cups, tissues and crisp packets; >mixed recycling for plastic bottles, metal cans and paper; and food.
At 51 smaller, unstaffed stations, including Ockley, the bins have been >removed altogether. GTR says such stations have a higher risk of passengers >putting their rubbish into the wrong bin owing to the lack of staff to >monitor waste disposal, which affects the company?s recycling rates.
Horsham has about 2.5 million passengers a year, compared with 34,000 at >Ockley.
GTR rolled out the change after a trial at its unstaffed stations in >Wimbledon, southwest London, which it says resulted in no additional
rubbish.
But Wright and other residents who live near unmanned stations say
ramblers, cyclists and London day-trippers passing through are either >littering or using the wheelie bins outside homes instead.
?I caught a lady putting two empty wine bottles in my neighbour?s bin >yesterday,? said Wright. ?It?s just totally stupid. They have not thought >[this new policy] through properly. What do you think is going to happen
when you take away a bin??
Others have found dirty nappies, empty coffee cups and uneaten food mixed
in their carefully sorted recycling bins.
Residents near Ockley station have a black wheelie bin for general waste in >black bags, a green wheelie bin for recycling and a small food waste bin.
Wright?s next door neighbour, Luke Margetts, now regularly has to sort >through his family?s three bins after a stranger has put rubbish in them.
?The concept of taking bins away is just unbelievable,? Margetts, 61, a >self-employed builder, said. ?If you give people a reason to chuck waste
and leave it, then they will do it.? He is contemplating putting locks on
his bins to prevent Southern passengers from using them.
In Belgium, where recycling rules are strict, bins are often locked to >prevent illegal dumping. In Japan, people are expected to take their
rubbish home with them as public bins are rare.
Vernon Trefry, 72, a retired firefighter who has lived near Wright for more >than 20 years, said: ?All of a sudden, I noticed bottles of beer that I
don?t drink and food I don?t eat in my bin.
?It is particularly bad on bank holidays and weekends. We often get groups
of walkers, of all ages, who bring sandwiches and drinks but don?t want to >leave the rubbish in the countryside, so they think they can throw it away >[at the station before they get on the train] but there are no bins.?
Great Western Railway said the new regulations have resulted in the company >adding more waste disposal spots to their stations. South Western Railway >said some individual bins have been relocated to create space for the new >recycling options.
Kerri Ricketts, Southern?s customer excellence director, said: ?The best >solution we identified was to remove the bins at our smaller stations, >encouraging passengers to take their rubbish with them to correctly recycle >at home or at work. We trialled this at?several?stations along a busy
route, and there was?no increase in litter?or negative customer
feedback.?
?Passengers still have the option to use our on-board?bins,?and our
cleaners will have more time to carry out further duties as a result of
this change. However, we are keeping the move under review and always
listen to feedback from our communities.??
In message <10skb8f$1da20$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:27:27 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
From the Sunday Times
Recycling rules mean some stations get 28 bins, some get zero
Residents are finding dirty nappies and coffee cups in their recycling
after unstaffed Govia Thameslink stations lost their own
At Ockley train station in Surrey, Jason Wright picks up an empty vape box >> discarded on the platform. Next to it, there is a half-eaten sandwich
wrapped in clingfilm that he shovels off the ground. Last week, someone
left the remnants of their McDonald?s dinner.
?But had there been a bin there, I?m sure people would have used
it,? said
Wright, who has lived next to the station for the past 55 years.
The NHS worker turned part-time litter picker is one of hundreds of
residents in the South East of England whose local stations have had their >> bins removed in the past few weeks, due to new government recycling
regulations.
Since March 31, the Department for Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) has
required businesses to start separating food, recycling and general waste
at the point of disposal.
As a result, Govia Thameslink Railway (GTR), the company that operates
Southern, Thameslink, Great Northern and the Gatwick Express, introduced
new recycling bins at busy stations across its network. GTR runs the UK?s
largest railway franchise, covering 236 stations across London, Surrey and >> Sussex.
At some larger stations with high footfall, including Horsham in West
Sussex, the number of bins increased to as many as 28. The bins have been
divided into general waste for hot drink cups, tissues and crisp packets;
mixed recycling for plastic bottles, metal cans and paper; and food.
At 51 smaller, unstaffed stations, including Ockley, the bins have been
removed altogether. GTR says such stations have a higher risk of passengers >> putting their rubbish into the wrong bin owing to the lack of staff to
monitor waste disposal, which affects the company?s recycling rates.
Horsham has about 2.5 million passengers a year, compared with 34,000 at
Ockley.
GTR rolled out the change after a trial at its unstaffed stations in
Wimbledon, southwest London, which it says resulted in no additional
rubbish.
But Wright and other residents who live near unmanned stations say
ramblers, cyclists and London day-trippers passing through are either
littering or using the wheelie bins outside homes instead.
?I caught a lady putting two empty wine bottles in my neighbour?s bin
yesterday,? said Wright. ?It?s just totally stupid. They have not thought
[this new policy] through properly. What do you think is going to happen
when you take away a bin??
Others have found dirty nappies, empty coffee cups and uneaten food mixed
in their carefully sorted recycling bins.
Residents near Ockley station have a black wheelie bin for general waste in >> black bags, a green wheelie bin for recycling and a small food waste bin.
Wright?s next door neighbour, Luke Margetts, now regularly has to sort
through his family?s three bins after a stranger has put rubbish in them.
?The concept of taking bins away is just unbelievable,? Margetts, 61, a
self-employed builder, said. ?If you give people a reason to chuck waste
and leave it, then they will do it.? He is contemplating putting locks on
his bins to prevent Southern passengers from using them.
In Belgium, where recycling rules are strict, bins are often locked to
prevent illegal dumping. In Japan, people are expected to take their
rubbish home with them as public bins are rare.
Vernon Trefry, 72, a retired firefighter who has lived near Wright for more >> than 20 years, said: ?All of a sudden, I noticed bottles of beer that I
don?t drink and food I don?t eat in my bin.
?It is particularly bad on bank holidays and weekends. We often get groups >> of walkers, of all ages, who bring sandwiches and drinks but don?t want to >> leave the rubbish in the countryside, so they think they can throw it away >> [at the station before they get on the train] but there are no bins.?
Great Western Railway said the new regulations have resulted in the company >> adding more waste disposal spots to their stations. South Western Railway
said some individual bins have been relocated to create space for the new
recycling options.
Kerri Ricketts, Southern?s customer excellence director, said: ?The best
solution we identified was to remove the bins at our smaller stations,
encouraging passengers to take their rubbish with them to correctly recycle >> at home or at work. We trialled this at?several?stations along a busy
route, and there was?no increase in litter?or negative customer
feedback.?
?Passengers still have the option to use our on-board?bins,?and our
cleaners will have more time to carry out further duties as a result of
this change. However, we are keeping the move under review and always
listen to feedback from our communities.??
I think we will be hearing more about this kind of thing.
Meanwhile, in Ely I've spoken to the management at the refuse collection depot about the possibility of multi-section bins in some of the parks
and along the Riverside. They said it was extremely difficult, because
when they'd tried it, the public were so bad at cross-contamination they couldn't realistically process it, so all went into landfill.
BUT, if the rules particularly about food waste are going to apply to
such situations, it could result in bins being removed altogether. And unlike GTR, I'm not optimistic that this won't cause a littering
problem. Partly because there's already a littering problem with
discarded fast-food packaging, beer glasses/bottles and so on. There's a
bit of pressure in local Facebook groups for pubs to start using plastic cups, but they'll just end up as litter, as well as encouraging people
to walk around holding drinks, when none of the pubs there has a licence
for consumption off the premises.
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10skb8f$1da20$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:27:27 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
From the Sunday Times
Recycling rules mean some stations get 28 bins, some get zero
Residents are finding dirty nappies and coffee cups in their recycling
after unstaffed Govia Thameslink stations lost their own
At Ockley train station in Surrey, Jason Wright picks up an empty vape box >>> discarded on the platform. Next to it, there is a half-eaten sandwich
wrapped in clingfilm that he shovels off the ground. Last week, someone
left the remnants of their McDonald?s dinner.
?But had there been a bin there, I?m sure people would have used
it,? said
Wright, who has lived next to the station for the past 55 years.
The NHS worker turned part-time litter picker is one of hundreds of
residents in the South East of England whose local stations have had their >>> bins removed in the past few weeks, due to new government recycling
regulations.
Since March 31, the Department for Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) has
required businesses to start separating food, recycling and general waste >>> at the point of disposal.
As a result, Govia Thameslink Railway (GTR), the company that operates
Southern, Thameslink, Great Northern and the Gatwick Express, introduced >>> new recycling bins at busy stations across its network. GTR runs the UK?s >>> largest railway franchise, covering 236 stations across London, Surrey and >>> Sussex.
At some larger stations with high footfall, including Horsham in West
Sussex, the number of bins increased to as many as 28. The bins have been >>> divided into general waste for hot drink cups, tissues and crisp packets; >>> mixed recycling for plastic bottles, metal cans and paper; and food.
At 51 smaller, unstaffed stations, including Ockley, the bins have been
removed altogether. GTR says such stations have a higher risk of passengers >>> putting their rubbish into the wrong bin owing to the lack of staff to
monitor waste disposal, which affects the company?s recycling rates.
Horsham has about 2.5 million passengers a year, compared with 34,000 at >>> Ockley.
GTR rolled out the change after a trial at its unstaffed stations in
Wimbledon, southwest London, which it says resulted in no additional
rubbish.
But Wright and other residents who live near unmanned stations say
ramblers, cyclists and London day-trippers passing through are either
littering or using the wheelie bins outside homes instead.
?I caught a lady putting two empty wine bottles in my neighbour?s bin
yesterday,? said Wright. ?It?s just totally stupid. They have
not thought
[this new policy] through properly. What do you think is going to happen >>> when you take away a bin??
Others have found dirty nappies, empty coffee cups and uneaten food mixed >>> in their carefully sorted recycling bins.
Residents near Ockley station have a black wheelie bin for general waste in >>> black bags, a green wheelie bin for recycling and a small food waste bin. >>>
Wright?s next door neighbour, Luke Margetts, now regularly has to sort
through his family?s three bins after a stranger has put rubbish in them. >>>
?The concept of taking bins away is just unbelievable,? Margetts, 61, a
self-employed builder, said. ?If you give people a reason to chuck waste >>> and leave it, then they will do it.? He is contemplating putting locks on >>> his bins to prevent Southern passengers from using them.
In Belgium, where recycling rules are strict, bins are often locked to
prevent illegal dumping. In Japan, people are expected to take their
rubbish home with them as public bins are rare.
Vernon Trefry, 72, a retired firefighter who has lived near Wright for more >>> than 20 years, said: ?All of a sudden, I noticed bottles of beer that I
don?t drink and food I don?t eat in my bin.
?It is particularly bad on bank holidays and weekends. We often get groups >>> of walkers, of all ages, who bring sandwiches and drinks but don?t want to >>> leave the rubbish in the countryside, so they think they can throw it away >>> [at the station before they get on the train] but there are no bins.?
Great Western Railway said the new regulations have resulted in the company >>> adding more waste disposal spots to their stations. South Western Railway >>> said some individual bins have been relocated to create space for the new >>> recycling options.
Kerri Ricketts, Southern?s customer excellence director, said: ?The best >>> solution we identified was to remove the bins at our smaller stations,
encouraging passengers to take their rubbish with them to correctly recycle >>> at home or at work. We trialled this at?several?stations along a busy
route, and there was?no increase in litter?or negative customer
feedback.?
?Passengers still have the option to use our on-board?bins,?and our
cleaners will have more time to carry out further duties as a result of
this change. However, we are keeping the move under review and always
listen to feedback from our communities.??
I think we will be hearing more about this kind of thing.
Meanwhile, in Ely I've spoken to the management at the refuse collection
depot about the possibility of multi-section bins in some of the parks
and along the Riverside. They said it was extremely difficult, because
when they'd tried it, the public were so bad at cross-contamination they
couldn't realistically process it, so all went into landfill.
BUT, if the rules particularly about food waste are going to apply to
such situations, it could result in bins being removed altogether. And
unlike GTR, I'm not optimistic that this won't cause a littering
problem. Partly because there's already a littering problem with
discarded fast-food packaging, beer glasses/bottles and so on. There's a
bit of pressure in local Facebook groups for pubs to start using plastic
cups, but they'll just end up as litter, as well as encouraging people
to walk around holding drinks, when none of the pubs there has a licence
for consumption off the premises.
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
Cross contamination of public bins is a thing because nobody knows with >certainty what should go where.
Drink bottle: easy - recycling
Partly empty drink bottle ?
Cardboard sandwich wrapper - recycling
Cardboard sandwich wrapper with plastic window - ?
Plastic Kitkat wrapper - ?
etc etc
There?s no consistency between local authorities about domestic refuse >collection,
so the chance of people getting it right when travelling is zero. Much >better to collect in one receptacle and then auto sort the easy things
such as bottles at the depot and incinerate the rest.
In message <10skhbc$1eqt4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:11:24 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10skb8f$1da20$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:27:27 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
From the Sunday Times
Recycling rules mean some stations get 28 bins, some get zero
Residents are finding dirty nappies and coffee cups in their recycling >>>> after unstaffed Govia Thameslink stations lost their own
At Ockley train station in Surrey, Jason Wright picks up an empty vape box >>>> discarded on the platform. Next to it, there is a half-eaten sandwich
wrapped in clingfilm that he shovels off the ground. Last week, someone >>>> left the remnants of their McDonald?s dinner.
?But had there been a bin there, I?m sure people would have used
it,? said
Wright, who has lived next to the station for the past 55 years.
The NHS worker turned part-time litter picker is one of hundreds of
residents in the South East of England whose local stations have had their >>>> bins removed in the past few weeks, due to new government recycling
regulations.
Since March 31, the Department for Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) has
required businesses to start separating food, recycling and general waste >>>> at the point of disposal.
As a result, Govia Thameslink Railway (GTR), the company that operates >>>> Southern, Thameslink, Great Northern and the Gatwick Express, introduced >>>> new recycling bins at busy stations across its network. GTR runs the UK?s >>>> largest railway franchise, covering 236 stations across London, Surrey and >>>> Sussex.
At some larger stations with high footfall, including Horsham in West
Sussex, the number of bins increased to as many as 28. The bins have been >>>> divided into general waste for hot drink cups, tissues and crisp packets; >>>> mixed recycling for plastic bottles, metal cans and paper; and food.
At 51 smaller, unstaffed stations, including Ockley, the bins have been >>>> removed altogether. GTR says such stations have a higher risk of passengers
putting their rubbish into the wrong bin owing to the lack of staff to >>>> monitor waste disposal, which affects the company?s recycling rates.
Horsham has about 2.5 million passengers a year, compared with 34,000 at >>>> Ockley.
GTR rolled out the change after a trial at its unstaffed stations in
Wimbledon, southwest London, which it says resulted in no additional
rubbish.
But Wright and other residents who live near unmanned stations say
ramblers, cyclists and London day-trippers passing through are either
littering or using the wheelie bins outside homes instead.
?I caught a lady putting two empty wine bottles in my neighbour?s bin
yesterday,? said Wright. ?It?s just totally stupid. They have
not thought
[this new policy] through properly. What do you think is going to happen >>>> when you take away a bin??
Others have found dirty nappies, empty coffee cups and uneaten food mixed >>>> in their carefully sorted recycling bins.
Residents near Ockley station have a black wheelie bin for general waste in
black bags, a green wheelie bin for recycling and a small food waste bin. >>>>
Wright?s next door neighbour, Luke Margetts, now regularly has to sort >>>> through his family?s three bins after a stranger has put rubbish in them. >>>>
?The concept of taking bins away is just unbelievable,? Margetts, 61, a >>>> self-employed builder, said. ?If you give people a reason to chuck waste >>>> and leave it, then they will do it.? He is contemplating putting locks on >>>> his bins to prevent Southern passengers from using them.
In Belgium, where recycling rules are strict, bins are often locked to >>>> prevent illegal dumping. In Japan, people are expected to take their
rubbish home with them as public bins are rare.
Vernon Trefry, 72, a retired firefighter who has lived near Wright for more
than 20 years, said: ?All of a sudden, I noticed bottles of beer that I >>>> don?t drink and food I don?t eat in my bin.
?It is particularly bad on bank holidays and weekends. We often get groups >>>> of walkers, of all ages, who bring sandwiches and drinks but don?t want to >>>> leave the rubbish in the countryside, so they think they can throw it away >>>> [at the station before they get on the train] but there are no bins.?
Great Western Railway said the new regulations have resulted in the company
adding more waste disposal spots to their stations. South Western Railway >>>> said some individual bins have been relocated to create space for the new >>>> recycling options.
Kerri Ricketts, Southern?s customer excellence director, said: ?The best >>>> solution we identified was to remove the bins at our smaller stations, >>>> encouraging passengers to take their rubbish with them to correctly recycle
at home or at work. We trialled this at?several?stations along a busy
route, and there was?no increase in litter?or negative customer
feedback.?
?Passengers still have the option to use our on-board?bins,?and our
cleaners will have more time to carry out further duties as a result of >>>> this change. However, we are keeping the move under review and always
listen to feedback from our communities.??
I think we will be hearing more about this kind of thing.
Meanwhile, in Ely I've spoken to the management at the refuse collection >>> depot about the possibility of multi-section bins in some of the parks
and along the Riverside. They said it was extremely difficult, because
when they'd tried it, the public were so bad at cross-contamination they >>> couldn't realistically process it, so all went into landfill.
BUT, if the rules particularly about food waste are going to apply to
such situations, it could result in bins being removed altogether. And
unlike GTR, I'm not optimistic that this won't cause a littering
problem. Partly because there's already a littering problem with
discarded fast-food packaging, beer glasses/bottles and so on. There's a >>> bit of pressure in local Facebook groups for pubs to start using plastic >>> cups, but they'll just end up as litter, as well as encouraging people
to walk around holding drinks, when none of the pubs there has a licence >>> for consumption off the premises.
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
Cross contamination of public bins is a thing because nobody knows with
certainty what should go where.
Drink bottle: easy - recycling
Partly empty drink bottle ?
Cardboard sandwich wrapper - recycling
Cardboard sandwich wrapper with plastic window - ?
Plastic Kitkat wrapper - ?
etc etc
There?s no consistency between local authorities about domestic refuse
collection,
That's supposed to be fixed by changes coming in on 1st June. So for
example no food in the garden bin, with a new dedicated caddy. But
there's still some inconstancies, such as no clear advice on what to do
with waste liquid foods (the caddy says "no liquids". We've been issued
with new black-bins (up until now still using black bags) and they have
a label on top saying "No Food". So what does one do with a past use-by
date bottle of ketchup?
so the chance of people getting it right when travelling is zero. Much
better to collect in one receptacle and then auto sort the easy things
such as bottles at the depot and incinerate the rest.
There's not a lot of auto-sorting here, the only facility I'm aware of
was one which attempted to separate out non-compostible materials in the green bin. Local campaigners have successfully opposed every plan I know
of to build an incinerator.
When I lived in Nottingham, you weren't allowed to put glass bottles in
the mixed-recycling bin, perhaps because they broke too easily when
being auto-sorted. You were supposed to take to a bottle bank. Round
here all the bottle banks have disappeared, either the ones in
supermarket car parks, or at other places like trunk-road lay-bys.
But Nottingham *does* have an incinerator, it's just east of the station
on some old railway lands. And produces steam for district heating and a small electricity generating plant.
Cross contamination of public bins is a thing because nobody knows with certainty what should go where.
Drink bottle: easy - recycling
Partly empty drink bottle ?
Cardboard sandwich wrapper - recycling
Cardboard sandwich wrapper with plastic window - ?
Plastic Kitkat wrapper - ?
etc etc
There?s no consistency between local authorities about domestic refuse collection, so the chance of people getting it right when travelling is
zero. Much better to collect in one receptacle and then auto sort the easy things such as bottles at the depot and incinerate the rest.
When I lived in Nottingham, you weren't allowed to put glass bottles in
the mixed-recycling bin, perhaps because they broke too easily when
being auto-sorted. You were supposed to take to a bottle bank. Round
here all the bottle banks have disappeared, either the ones in
supermarket car parks, or at other places like trunk-road lay-bys.
But Nottingham *does* have an incinerator, it's just east of the station
on some old railway lands. And produces steam for district heating and a
small electricity generating plant.
Which is exactly why expecting the public to correctly sort at a station is >for the birds.
The other laughable GTR excuse was they wanted passengers from the
smaller stations to use the on train bins.
These weren?t segregated last time I looked. Has this changed?
In message <10skb8f$1da20$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:27:27 on Sun, 26 Apr[snip, articles about how a load of travellers are untidy and selfish ]
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
I think we will be hearing more about this kind of thing.
Meanwhile, in Ely I've spoken to the management at the refuse collection depot about the possibility of multi-section bins in some of the parks
and along the Riverside. They said it was extremely difficult, because
when they'd tried it, the public were so bad at cross-contamination they couldn't realistically process it, so all went into landfill.
BUT, if the rules particularly about food waste are going to apply to
such situations, it could result in bins being removed altogether. And
unlike GTR, I'm not optimistic that this won't cause a littering
problem. Partly because there's already a littering problem with
discarded fast-food packaging, beer glasses/bottles and so on. There's a
bit of pressure in local Facebook groups for pubs to start using plastic cups, but they'll just end up as litter, as well as encouraging people
to walk around holding drinks, when none of the pubs there has a licence
for consumption off the premises.
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
--
On 26 Apr 2026 08:33, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10skb8f$1da20$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:27:27 on Sun, 26 Apr[snip, articles about how a load of travellers are untidy and selfish ]
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
I think we will be hearing more about this kind of thing.
Meanwhile, in Ely I've spoken to the management at the refuse collection
depot about the possibility of multi-section bins in some of the parks
and along the Riverside. They said it was extremely difficult, because
when they'd tried it, the public were so bad at cross-contamination they
couldn't realistically process it, so all went into landfill.
BUT, if the rules particularly about food waste are going to apply to
such situations, it could result in bins being removed altogether. And
unlike GTR, I'm not optimistic that this won't cause a littering
problem. Partly because there's already a littering problem with
discarded fast-food packaging, beer glasses/bottles and so on. There's a
bit of pressure in local Facebook groups for pubs to start using plastic
cups, but they'll just end up as litter, as well as encouraging people
to walk around holding drinks, when none of the pubs there has a licence
for consumption off the premises.
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
Perhaps you should speal with the Littering Authority (ECDC) not a
supplier.
NB when replying make sure you don't give the indication that officers
or Members of the council are running StreetScene as part of the
Council.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10skb8f$1da20$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:27:27 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
From the Sunday Times
Recycling rules mean some stations get 28 bins, some get zero
Residents are finding dirty nappies and coffee cups in their recycling
after unstaffed Govia Thameslink stations lost their own
At Ockley train station in Surrey, Jason Wright picks up an empty vape box >>> discarded on the platform. Next to it, there is a half-eaten sandwich
wrapped in clingfilm that he shovels off the ground. Last week, someone
left the remnants of their McDonald?s dinner.
?But had there been a bin there, I?m sure people would have used
it,? said
Wright, who has lived next to the station for the past 55 years.
The NHS worker turned part-time litter picker is one of hundreds of
residents in the South East of England whose local stations have had their >>> bins removed in the past few weeks, due to new government recycling
regulations.
Since March 31, the Department for Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) has
required businesses to start separating food, recycling and general waste >>> at the point of disposal.
As a result, Govia Thameslink Railway (GTR), the company that operates
Southern, Thameslink, Great Northern and the Gatwick Express, introduced >>> new recycling bins at busy stations across its network. GTR runs the UK?s >>> largest railway franchise, covering 236 stations across London, Surrey and >>> Sussex.
At some larger stations with high footfall, including Horsham in West
Sussex, the number of bins increased to as many as 28. The bins have been >>> divided into general waste for hot drink cups, tissues and crisp packets; >>> mixed recycling for plastic bottles, metal cans and paper; and food.
At 51 smaller, unstaffed stations, including Ockley, the bins have been
removed altogether. GTR says such stations have a higher risk of passengers >>> putting their rubbish into the wrong bin owing to the lack of staff to
monitor waste disposal, which affects the company?s recycling rates.
Horsham has about 2.5 million passengers a year, compared with 34,000 at >>> Ockley.
GTR rolled out the change after a trial at its unstaffed stations in
Wimbledon, southwest London, which it says resulted in no additional
rubbish.
But Wright and other residents who live near unmanned stations say
ramblers, cyclists and London day-trippers passing through are either
littering or using the wheelie bins outside homes instead.
?I caught a lady putting two empty wine bottles in my neighbour?s bin
yesterday,? said Wright. ?It?s just totally stupid. They have not thought >>> [this new policy] through properly. What do you think is going to happen >>> when you take away a bin??
Others have found dirty nappies, empty coffee cups and uneaten food mixed >>> in their carefully sorted recycling bins.
Residents near Ockley station have a black wheelie bin for general waste in >>> black bags, a green wheelie bin for recycling and a small food waste bin. >>>
Wright?s next door neighbour, Luke Margetts, now regularly has to sort
through his family?s three bins after a stranger has put rubbish in them. >>>
?The concept of taking bins away is just unbelievable,? Margetts, 61, a
self-employed builder, said. ?If you give people a reason to chuck waste >>> and leave it, then they will do it.? He is contemplating putting locks on >>> his bins to prevent Southern passengers from using them.
In Belgium, where recycling rules are strict, bins are often locked to
prevent illegal dumping. In Japan, people are expected to take their
rubbish home with them as public bins are rare.
Vernon Trefry, 72, a retired firefighter who has lived near Wright for more >>> than 20 years, said: ?All of a sudden, I noticed bottles of beer that I
don?t drink and food I don?t eat in my bin.
?It is particularly bad on bank holidays and weekends. We often get groups >>> of walkers, of all ages, who bring sandwiches and drinks but don?t want to >>> leave the rubbish in the countryside, so they think they can throw it away >>> [at the station before they get on the train] but there are no bins.?
Great Western Railway said the new regulations have resulted in the company >>> adding more waste disposal spots to their stations. South Western Railway >>> said some individual bins have been relocated to create space for the new >>> recycling options.
Kerri Ricketts, Southern?s customer excellence director, said: ?The best >>> solution we identified was to remove the bins at our smaller stations,
encouraging passengers to take their rubbish with them to correctly recycle >>> at home or at work. We trialled this at?several?stations along a busy
route, and there was?no increase in litter?or negative customer
feedback.?
?Passengers still have the option to use our on-board?bins,?and our
cleaners will have more time to carry out further duties as a result of
this change. However, we are keeping the move under review and always
listen to feedback from our communities.??
I think we will be hearing more about this kind of thing.
Meanwhile, in Ely I've spoken to the management at the refuse collection
depot about the possibility of multi-section bins in some of the parks
and along the Riverside. They said it was extremely difficult, because
when they'd tried it, the public were so bad at cross-contamination they
couldn't realistically process it, so all went into landfill.
BUT, if the rules particularly about food waste are going to apply to
such situations, it could result in bins being removed altogether. And
unlike GTR, I'm not optimistic that this won't cause a littering
problem. Partly because there's already a littering problem with
discarded fast-food packaging, beer glasses/bottles and so on. There's a
bit of pressure in local Facebook groups for pubs to start using plastic
cups, but they'll just end up as litter, as well as encouraging people
to walk around holding drinks, when none of the pubs there has a licence
for consumption off the premises.
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
Cross contamination of public bins is a thing because nobody knows with certainty what should go where.
Drink bottle: easy - recycling
Partly empty drink bottle ?
Cardboard sandwich wrapper - recycling
Cardboard sandwich wrapper with plastic window - ?
Plastic Kitkat wrapper - ?
etc etc
There?s no consistency between local authorities about domestic refuse collection, so the chance of people getting it right when travelling is
zero. Much better to collect in one receptacle and then auto sort the easy things such as bottles at the depot and incinerate the rest.
In message <10skhbc$1eqt4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:11:24 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Cross contamination of public bins is a thing because nobody knows with
certainty what should go where.
Drink bottle: easy - recycling
Partly empty drink bottle ?
Cardboard sandwich wrapper - recycling
Cardboard sandwich wrapper with plastic window - ?
Plastic Kitkat wrapper - ?
etc etc
There?s no consistency between local authorities about domestic refuse
collection,
That's supposed to be fixed by changes coming in on 1st June. So for
example no food in the garden bin, with a new dedicated caddy. But
there's still some inconstancies, such as no clear advice on what to do
with waste liquid foods (the caddy says "no liquids".
We've been issued
with new black-bins (up until now still using black bags) and they have
a label on top saying "No Food". So what does one do with a past use-by
date bottle of ketchup?
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I don't have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I don't >> have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
Which is one of the problems if you cross boundaries .
Here in New Forest , we have black wheelie bins with black lid for
general waste, until recently black sacks which properties with restricted space can still have.
A limited amount of recycling , basically plastic bottles , tins , cardboard and non shredded paper goes into a black wheelie bin with a green lid. Used to be a clear sack.Garden waste optional and chargeable
black wheelie bin with brown lid. Glass box , Black . Food waste lidded small light brown bin.
Mother in Devon has an all green wheelie bin for garden waste, green box
for cardboard ,paper ,glass ,tins and plastic bottles , black sack for general waste. Food waste small lidded green bin.
What is needed is one national scheme .
Here in New Forest , we have black wheelie bins with black lid for
general waste, until recently black sacks which properties with restricted space can still have.
A limited amount of recycling , basically plastic bottles , tins , cardboard and non shredded paper goes into a black wheelie bin with a green lid. Used to be a clear sack.Garden waste optional and chargeable
black wheelie bin with brown lid. Glass box , Black . Food waste lidded small light brown bin.
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I don't >> have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
Which is one of the problems if you cross boundaries .
Here in New Forest , we have black wheelie bins with black lid for
general waste, until recently black sacks which properties with restricted space can still have.
A limited amount of recycling , basically plastic bottles , tins , cardboard and non shredded paper goes into a black wheelie bin with a green lid. Used to be a clear sack.Garden waste optional and chargeable
black wheelie bin with brown lid. Glass box , Black . Food waste lidded small light brown bin.
Mother in Devon has an all green wheelie bin for garden waste, green box
for cardboard ,paper ,glass ,tins and plastic bottles , black sack for general waste. Food waste small lidded green bin.
What is needed is one national scheme .
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10skhbc$1eqt4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:11:24 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Cross contamination of public bins is a thing because nobody knows with
certainty what should go where.
Drink bottle: easy - recycling
Partly empty drink bottle ?
Cardboard sandwich wrapper - recycling
Cardboard sandwich wrapper with plastic window - ?
Plastic Kitkat wrapper - ?
etc etc
There?s no consistency between local authorities about domestic refuse
collection,
That's supposed to be fixed by changes coming in on 1st June. So for
example no food in the garden bin, with a new dedicated caddy. But
there's still some inconstancies, such as no clear advice on what to do
with waste liquid foods (the caddy says "no liquids".
Liquid foods like drinks? Down the sink.
Stews or soups? I put them down the toilet.
We've been issued
with new black-bins (up until now still using black bags) and they have
a label on top saying "No Food". So what does one do with a past use-by
date bottle of ketchup?
Rinse it out in the kitchen sink and then recycle the bottle/cap as >appropriate?
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I don't >have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
Mother in Devon has an all green wheelie bin for garden waste, green box
for cardboard ,paper ,glass ,tins and plastic bottles , black sack for
general waste. Food waste small lidded green bin.
What is needed is one national scheme .
I have a green bin for recyclable, black bin for general rubbish, brown
bin for garden waste and a small green caddy for food waste.
In message <n568q8F7cosU1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:47:37 on Sun, 26]
Apr 2026, Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> remarked:
On 26 Apr 2026 08:33, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10skb8f$1da20$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:27:27 on Sun, 26 Apr[snip, articles about how a load of travellers are untidy and selfish
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
I think we will be hearing more about this kind of thing.
Meanwhile, in Ely I've spoken to the management at the refuse collection >>> depot about the possibility of multi-section bins in some of the parks
and along the Riverside. They said it was extremely difficult, because
when they'd tried it, the public were so bad at cross-contamination they >>> couldn't realistically process it, so all went into landfill.
BUT, if the rules particularly about food waste are going to apply to
such situations, it could result in bins being removed altogether. And
unlike GTR, I'm not optimistic that this won't cause a littering
problem. Partly because there's already a littering problem with
discarded fast-food packaging, beer glasses/bottles and so on. There's a >>> bit of pressure in local Facebook groups for pubs to start using plastic >>> cups, but they'll just end up as litter, as well as encouraging people
to walk around holding drinks, when none of the pubs there has a licence >>> for consumption off the premises.
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
Perhaps you should speal with the Littering Authority (ECDC) not a >>supplier.
I've spoken with them too, in particular those who investigate and
prosecute fly-tipping (mainly just the large scale stuff, because they haven't got time to do it all).
NB when replying make sure you don't give the indication that officers
or Members of the council are running StreetScene as part of the
Council.
I'm unsure what point you are trying to make. ECDC officers report
litter issues and fly tipping to Streetscene, who then clear up the
mess.
On 26/04/2026 21:18, Marland wrote:
Here in New Forest , we have black wheelie bins with black lid for
general waste, until recently black sacks which properties with restricted >> space can still have.
A limited amount of recycling , basically plastic bottles , tins ,
cardboard and non shredded paper goes into a black wheelie bin with a green >> lid. Used to be a clear sack.Garden waste optional and chargeable
black wheelie bin with brown lid. Glass box , Black . Food waste lidded >> small light brown bin.
Garden waste being optional and chargeable is a widespread problem.
If you make people choose between paying to do the right thing or
dumping it in landfill for free, guess what's going to happen.
On 26 Apr 2026 12:40, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <n568q8F7cosU1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:47:37 on Sun, 26]
Apr 2026, Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> remarked:
On 26 Apr 2026 08:33, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10skb8f$1da20$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:27:27 on Sun, 26 Apr >>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:[snip, articles about how a load of travellers are untidy and selfish
I think we will be hearing more about this kind of thing.
Meanwhile, in Ely I've spoken to the management at the refuse collection >>>> depot about the possibility of multi-section bins in some of the parks >>>> and along the Riverside. They said it was extremely difficult, because >>>> when they'd tried it, the public were so bad at cross-contamination they >>>> couldn't realistically process it, so all went into landfill.
BUT, if the rules particularly about food waste are going to apply to
such situations, it could result in bins being removed altogether. And >>>> unlike GTR, I'm not optimistic that this won't cause a littering
problem. Partly because there's already a littering problem with
discarded fast-food packaging, beer glasses/bottles and so on. There's a >>>> bit of pressure in local Facebook groups for pubs to start using plastic >>>> cups, but they'll just end up as litter, as well as encouraging people >>>> to walk around holding drinks, when none of the pubs there has a licence >>>> for consumption off the premises.
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard >>>> boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste >>>> has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
Perhaps you should speal with the Littering Authority (ECDC) not a >>>supplier.
I've spoken with them too, in particular those who investigate and
prosecute fly-tipping (mainly just the large scale stuff, because they
haven't got time to do it all).
NB when replying make sure you don't give the indication that officers
or Members of the council are running StreetScene as part of the
Council.
I'm unsure what point you are trying to make. ECDC officers report
litter issues and fly tipping to Streetscene, who then clear up the
mess.
It is the responsibility of the Littering Authority to make sure there
are sufficient street bins.
They can arrange for the installation and emptying by a contractor,
such as Streetscene, but it is not for that contractor to decide what
and where.
And, it is easy to confuse the two. Such confusion might lead people to >suggest that Streetscene is not an independent company. That would
suggest unlawful activity
Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
On 26/04/2026 21:18, Marland wrote:
Here in New Forest , we have black wheelie bins with black lid for
general waste, until recently black sacks which properties with restricted >>> space can still have.
A limited amount of recycling , basically plastic bottles , tins ,
cardboard and non shredded paper goes into a black wheelie bin with a green >>> lid. Used to be a clear sack.Garden waste optional and chargeable
black wheelie bin with brown lid. Glass box , Black . Food waste lidded >>> small light brown bin.
Garden waste being optional and chargeable is a widespread problem.
If you make people choose between paying to do the right thing or
dumping it in landfill for free, guess what's going to happen.
I guess the argument is that relatively few households actually use the >garden waste collection service, so why should someone living in a
3rd-floor flat pay towards having someone else's garden waste removed.
The problem then is that you can extrapolate that theory to other services
In message <10sljds$1ovhe$6@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:00 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I
don't
have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
"Blue Bin" is a very common term for the mixed-recyclables bin. Like
"Green Bin" is for garden waste.
In message <10sljdr$1ovhe$5@dont-email.me>, at 17:52:59 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10skhbc$1eqt4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:11:24 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Cross contamination of public bins is a thing because nobody knows with >>>> certainty what should go where.
Drink bottle: easy - recycling
Partly empty drink bottle ?
Cardboard sandwich wrapper - recycling
Cardboard sandwich wrapper with plastic window - ?
Plastic Kitkat wrapper - ?
etc etc
There?s no consistency between local authorities about domestic refuse >>>> collection,
That's supposed to be fixed by changes coming in on 1st June. So for
example no food in the garden bin, with a new dedicated caddy. But
there's still some inconstancies, such as no clear advice on what to do
with waste liquid foods (the caddy says "no liquids".
Liquid foods like drinks? Down the sink.
Stews or soups? I put them down the toilet.
We've been issued
with new black-bins (up until now still using black bags) and they have
a label on top saying "No Food". So what does one do with a past use-by
date bottle of ketchup?
Rinse it out in the kitchen sink and then recycle the bottle/cap as
appropriate?
Flushing waste food away causes fatbergs in the sewers, and puts a
strain on the sewage processing plants.
On 27/04/2026 07:24, Roland Perry wrote:
Flushing waste food away causes fatbergs in the sewers, and puts a
strain on the sewage processing plants.
I fear more and more will be going down the drains as councils restrict
what can legally be put in which colour of bin this week.
Rinse it out in the kitchen sink and then recycle the bottle/cap as
appropriate?
Flushing waste food away causes fatbergs in the sewers, and puts a >>strain on the sewage processing plants.
I fear more and more will be going down the drains as councils restrict
what can legally be put in which colour of bin this week.
In message <10sn5d3$276ko$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:05:56 on Mon, 27 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
On 26/04/2026 21:18, Marland wrote:
Here in New Forest , we have black wheelie bins with black lid for
general waste, until recently black sacks which properties with restricted >>>> space can still have.
A limited amount of recycling , basically plastic bottles , tins ,
cardboard and non shredded paper goes into a black wheelie bin with a green
lid. Used to be a clear sack.Garden waste optional and chargeable
black wheelie bin with brown lid. Glass box , Black . Food waste lidded >>>> small light brown bin.
Garden waste being optional and chargeable is a widespread problem.
If you make people choose between paying to do the right thing or
dumping it in landfill for free, guess what's going to happen.
I guess the argument is that relatively few households actually use the
garden waste collection service, so why should someone living in a
3rd-floor flat pay towards having someone else's garden waste removed.
The problem then is that you can extrapolate that theory to other services
And also there are many towns (/districts) where the vast majority
of residents don't live in flats, and hence do have gardens, so the
question doesn't arise.
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 10:18:40 +0100
Certes <Certes@example.org> gabbled:
On 27/04/2026 07:24, Roland Perry wrote:
Flushing waste food away causes fatbergs in the sewers, and puts a
strain on the sewage processing plants.
I fear more and more will be going down the drains as councils restrict
what can legally be put in which colour of bin this week.
Look at the success of the genius councils who decided to start charging people
to get rid of home waste at the tip. What happened? Fly tipping, which usually
the councils have to pay to clear up anyway and probably costs them far more that it would if the stuff had been taken to the tip in the first place.
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 10:18:40 +0100
Certes <Certes@example.org> gabbled:
On 27/04/2026 07:24, Roland Perry wrote:
Flushing waste food away causes fatbergs in the sewers, and puts a
strain on the sewage processing plants.
I fear more and more will be going down the drains as councils restrict
what can legally be put in which colour of bin this week.
Look at the success of the genius councils who decided to start charging people
to get rid of home waste at the tip. What happened? Fly tipping, which usually
the councils have to pay to clear up anyway and probably costs them far more that it would if the stuff had been taken to the tip in the first place.
One waste stream I haven?t seen mentioned so far is small domestic
electrical items .
Here I would take it to the ?tip? where a chap diligently goes through them
at a bench cutting out wire etc. In Mothers bit of Devon they will collect >them if left out neatly alongside the recycling bin.
By small I think they mean things like hairdryers and old Irons, not a 50? >wide screen telly.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10sn5d3$276ko$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:05:56 on Mon, 27 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:And also there are many towns (/districts) where the vast majority
On 26/04/2026 21:18, Marland wrote:
Here in New Forest , we have black wheelie bins with black lid for >>>>> general waste, until recently black sacks which properties with restricted
space can still have.
A limited amount of recycling , basically plastic bottles , tins ,
cardboard and non shredded paper goes into a black wheelie bin
with a green
lid. Used to be a clear sack.Garden waste optional and chargeable
black wheelie bin with brown lid. Glass box , Black . Food waste lidded
small light brown bin.
Garden waste being optional and chargeable is a widespread problem.
If you make people choose between paying to do the right thing or
dumping it in landfill for free, guess what's going to happen.
I guess the argument is that relatively few households actually use the
garden waste collection service, so why should someone living in a
3rd-floor flat pay towards having someone else's garden waste removed.
The problem then is that you can extrapolate that theory to other services >>
of residents don't live in flats, and hence do have gardens, so the
question doesn't arise.
Isn?t the issue that the local authority has no legal duty to empty garden >waste, so can charge.
LA?s are retreating to only doing what they are obliged to do FOC.
One waste stream I haven?t seen mentioned so far is small domestic
electrical items .
In message <10sljds$1ovhe$6@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:00 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I don't >> have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
"Blue Bin" is a very common term for the mixed-recyclables bin. Like
"Green Bin" is for garden waste.
On 27 Apr 2026 10:36:54 GMT
Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> gabbled:
One waste stream I haven?t seen mentioned so far is small domestic >>electrical items .
Here I would take it to the ?tip? where a chap diligently goes
through them
at a bench cutting out wire etc. In Mothers bit of Devon they will collect >>them if left out neatly alongside the recycling bin.
By small I think they mean things like hairdryers and old Irons, not a 50? >>wide screen telly.
Charity shops will generally accept electrical items these days. Since they >don't test them when you hand them in its on your conscience whether you >deliberately hand in a broken bit of junk.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10sljds$1ovhe$6@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:00 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard >>>> boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste >>>> has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I don't >>> have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
"Blue Bin" is a very common term for the mixed-recyclables bin. Like
"Green Bin" is for garden waste.
You only know that if you live in an area where that applies.
I don't live in such an area, and neither do family who I visit.
So I have no frame of reference to know that.
If you can find any local authority which uses a blue bin for general
waste, or garden waste, I'd be interested. Failing that, the only
conclusion is it's for mixed recyclables.
In message <10sn5d3$276ko$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:05:56 on Mon, 27 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
On 26/04/2026 21:18, Marland wrote:
Here in New Forest , we have black wheelie bins with black lid for
general waste, until recently black sacks which properties with restricted >>>> space can still have.
A limited amount of recycling , basically plastic bottles , tins ,
cardboard and non shredded paper goes into a black wheelie bin with a green
lid. Used to be a clear sack.Garden waste optional and chargeable
black wheelie bin with brown lid. Glass box , Black . Food waste lidded >>>> small light brown bin.
Garden waste being optional and chargeable is a widespread problem.
If you make people choose between paying to do the right thing or
dumping it in landfill for free, guess what's going to happen.
I guess the argument is that relatively few households actually use the
garden waste collection service, so why should someone living in a
3rd-floor flat pay towards having someone else's garden waste removed.
The problem then is that you can extrapolate that theory to other services
And also there are many towns (/districts) where the vast majority
of residents don't live in flats, and hence do have gardens, so the
question doesn't arise.
On 27/04/2026 13:35, Roland Perry wrote:>
If you can find any local authority which uses a blue bin for general >>waste, or garden waste, I'd be interested. Failing that, the only >>conclusion is it's for mixed recyclables.
Or paper and cardboard, (maybe holes) - with grey for other recyclables:
https://www.blackburn.gov.uk/bins-and-waste/recycling-and-waste/what-goe >s-you-blue-recycling-bin
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10sn5d3$276ko$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:05:56 on Mon, 27 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:And also there are many towns (/districts) where the vast majority
On 26/04/2026 21:18, Marland wrote:
Here in New Forest , we have black wheelie bins with black lid for >>>>> general waste, until recently black sacks which properties with restricted
space can still have.
A limited amount of recycling , basically plastic bottles , tins ,
cardboard and non shredded paper goes into a black wheelie bin
with a green
lid. Used to be a clear sack.Garden waste optional and chargeable
black wheelie bin with brown lid. Glass box , Black . Food waste lidded
small light brown bin.
Garden waste being optional and chargeable is a widespread problem.
If you make people choose between paying to do the right thing or
dumping it in landfill for free, guess what's going to happen.
I guess the argument is that relatively few households actually use the
garden waste collection service, so why should someone living in a
3rd-floor flat pay towards having someone else's garden waste removed.
The problem then is that you can extrapolate that theory to other services >>
of residents don't live in flats, and hence do have gardens, so the
question doesn't arise.
My driveway is shared with a number of other houses, which have gardens
equal or bigger than mine. I have not seen any of the others put garden
waste out for collection.
My garden waste bin goes out for collection maybe 2-4 times a year out of
26 available collection dates.
In message <10snfd4$2aa1f$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:56:36 on Mon, 27 Apr
2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
Charity shops will generally accept electrical items these days. Since they >>don't test them when you hand them in its on your conscience whether you >>deliberately hand in a broken bit of junk.
YMMV, a lot of charity shops won't accept electrical items because they >don't have a volunteer Portable Apparatus PAT Tester on the premises.
So they have to spend the charity's money having them disposed of by a >commercial waste operator.
In message <10snocp$2d2mb$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:30:01 on Mon, 27 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10sn5d3$276ko$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:05:56 on Mon, 27 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
On 26/04/2026 21:18, Marland wrote:
Here in˙˙ New Forest , we have black wheelie bins with black lid for >>>>>> general waste, until recently black sacks which properties with
restricted
space can still have.
A limited amount of recycling , basically plastic bottles , tins , >>>>>> cardboard and non shredded paper goes into a black wheelie bin
with a green
lid. Used to be a clear sack.Garden waste˙ optional and chargeable >>>>>> black˙ wheelie bin with brown lid.˙ Glass box , Black˙ . Food
waste lidded
small light brown bin.
Garden waste being optional and chargeable is a widespread problem.
If you make people choose between paying to do the right thing or
dumping it in landfill for free, guess what's going to happen.
I guess the argument is that relatively few households actually use the >>>> garden waste collection service, so why should someone living in a
3rd-floor flat pay towards having someone else's garden waste removed. >>>>
The problem then is that you can extrapolate that theory to other
services
And also there are many towns (/districts) where the vast majority
of residents don't live in flats, and hence do have gardens, so the
question doesn't arise.
My driveway is shared with a number of other houses, which have gardens
equal or bigger than mine. I have not seen any of the others put garden
waste out for collection.
My garden waste bin goes out for collection maybe 2-4 times a year out of
26 available collection dates.
I've got what I regard as an averagely sized garden, as does my GF near Cambridge. We each manage to put out a full green bin almost all year
round for the fortnightly collection. As do our various neighbours.
The shrubs and hedges bordering our gardens have gone berserk the last
few weeks what with the Spring weather. Earlier it was trimming trees
before bird-nesting season.
In message <10sljds$1ovhe$6@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:00 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly
see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I
don't
have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
"Blue Bin" is a very common term for the mixed-recyclables bin. Like
"Green Bin" is for garden waste.
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 10:18:40 +0100
Certes <Certes@example.org> gabbled:
On 27/04/2026 07:24, Roland Perry wrote:
Flushing waste food away causes fatbergs in the sewers, and puts a
strain on the sewage processing plants.
I fear more and more will be going down the drains as councils restrict >>what can legally be put in which colour of bin this week.
Look at the success of the genius councils who decided to start charging people
to get rid of home waste at the tip. What happened? Fly tipping, which usually >the councils have to pay to clear up anyway and probably costs them far more >that it would if the stuff had been taken to the tip in the first place.
In message <10snfd4$2aa1f$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:56:36 on Mon, 27 Apr
2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On 27 Apr 2026 10:36:54 GMT
Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> gabbled:
One waste stream I haven?t seen mentioned so far is small domestic >>>electrical items .
Here I would take it to the ?tip? where a chap diligently goes
through them
at a bench cutting out wire etc. In Mothers bit of Devon they will collect >>>them if left out neatly alongside the recycling bin.
By small I think they mean things like hairdryers and old Irons, not a 50? >>>wide screen telly.
Charity shops will generally accept electrical items these days. Since they >>don't test them when you hand them in its on your conscience whether you >>deliberately hand in a broken bit of junk.
YMMV, a lot of charity shops won't accept electrical items because they >don't have a volunteer Portable Apparatus PAT Tester on the premises.
So they have to spend the charity's money having them disposed of by a >commercial waste operator.
In message <10smu22$252pn$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:00:34 on Mon, 27 Apr
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Mother in Devon has an all green wheelie bin for garden waste, green box >>> for cardboard ,paper ,glass ,tins and plastic bottles , black sack for
general waste. Food waste small lidded green bin.
What is needed is one national scheme .
I have a green bin for recyclable, black bin for general rubbish, brown >>bin for garden waste and a small green caddy for food waste.
I have black sacks for general waste (soon to be replaced by a
mid-sized black bin), a blue bin for mixed recyclables, a green
bin for garden/food (soon to be only garden), and a small grey
bin for waste food (not yet being collected).
Previously some friends in the next District (who now have the
same coloured bins) originally had a green box, probably for
mixed recyclables.
In message <10snjt0$2bmkj$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:13:20 on Mon, 27 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10sljds$1ovhe$6@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:00 on Sun, 26 Apr
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly >>>>> see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard >>>>> boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of
housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste >>>>> has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I don't >>>> have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
"Blue Bin" is a very common term for the mixed-recyclables bin. Like
"Green Bin" is for garden waste.
You only know that if you live in an area where that applies.
I don't live in such an area, and neither do family who I visit.
So I have no frame of reference to know that.
If you can find any local authority which uses a blue bin for general
waste, or garden waste, I'd be interested. Failing that, the only
conclusion is it's for mixed recyclables.
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 07:36:15 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10smu22$252pn$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:00:34 on Mon, 27 AprGreen bin - general waste
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Mother in Devon has an all green wheelie bin for garden waste, green box >>>> for cardboard ,paper ,glass ,tins and plastic bottles , black sack for >>>> general waste. Food waste small lidded green bin.
What is needed is one national scheme .
I have a green bin for recyclable, black bin for general rubbish, brown >>> bin for garden waste and a small green caddy for food waste.
I have black sacks for general waste (soon to be replaced by a
mid-sized black bin), a blue bin for mixed recyclables, a green
bin for garden/food (soon to be only garden), and a small grey
bin for waste food (not yet being collected).
Previously some friends in the next District (who now have the
same coloured bins) originally had a green box, probably for
mixed recyclables.
Blue bin - mixed recycleable
brown bin - garden waste (unused - it returns via composting, rotting
etc.)
Two caddies - one black for food waste (unused, not worth the bother
for the occasional strip of fat off bacon or ham), the other brown and smaller for a reason that even the council seems to have forgotten.
Two buckshee daleks for the garden compost.
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:35:18 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10snjt0$2bmkj$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:13:20 on Mon, 27 AprKnowsley - Blue bin - garden waste. (see also hens' teeth) https://www.knowsley.gov.uk/bins-waste-and-recycling/your-household-bins/what-put-your-bin
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10sljds$1ovhe$6@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:00 on Sun, 26 Apr >>>> 2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly >>>>>> see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard >>>>>> boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of >>>>>> housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste >>>>>> has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent
plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I don't
have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
"Blue Bin" is a very common term for the mixed-recyclables bin. Like
"Green Bin" is for garden waste.
You only know that if you live in an area where that applies.
I don't live in such an area, and neither do family who I visit.
So I have no frame of reference to know that.
If you can find any local authority which uses a blue bin for general
waste, or garden waste, I'd be interested. Failing that, the only
conclusion is it's for mixed recyclables.
On 27/04/2026 18:43, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:35:18 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10snjt0$2bmkj$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:13:20 on Mon, 27 AprKnowsley - Blue bin - garden waste. (see also hens' teeth)
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10sljds$1ovhe$6@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:00 on Sun, 26 Apr >>>>> 2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly >>>>>>> see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard >>>>>>> boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of >>>>>>> housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste >>>>>>> has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent >>>>>>> plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I don't
have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
"Blue Bin" is a very common term for the mixed-recyclables bin. Like >>>>> "Green Bin" is for garden waste.
You only know that if you live in an area where that applies.
I don't live in such an area, and neither do family who I visit.
So I have no frame of reference to know that.
If you can find any local authority which uses a blue bin for general
waste, or garden waste, I'd be interested. Failing that, the only
conclusion is it's for mixed recyclables.
https://www.knowsley.gov.uk/bins-waste-and-recycling/your-household-bins/what-put-your-bin
Well played, sir. I'm surprised someone with time on their hands hasn't >produced a comprehensive council-by-council table of colour use.
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 21:25:55 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
On 27/04/2026 18:43, Charles Ellson wrote:It would probably be out of date by next week. :-(
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:35:18 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10snjt0$2bmkj$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:13:20 on Mon, 27 Apr >>>> 2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:Knowsley - Blue bin - garden waste. (see also hens' teeth)
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10sljds$1ovhe$6@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:00 on Sun, 26 Apr >>>>>> 2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly >>>>>>>> see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard >>>>>>>> boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of >>>>>>>> housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste >>>>>>>> has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent >>>>>>>> plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I don't
have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
"Blue Bin" is a very common term for the mixed-recyclables bin. Like >>>>>> "Green Bin" is for garden waste.
You only know that if you live in an area where that applies.
I don't live in such an area, and neither do family who I visit.
So I have no frame of reference to know that.
If you can find any local authority which uses a blue bin for general
waste, or garden waste, I'd be interested. Failing that, the only
conclusion is it's for mixed recyclables.
https://www.knowsley.gov.uk/bins-waste-and-recycling/your-household-bins/what-put-your-bin
Well played, sir. I'm surprised someone with time on their hands hasn't
produced a comprehensive council-by-council table of colour use.
A few councils seem to have learned the trick of using different
coloured lids rather than complete bins for non-general stuff thus
reducing the overall spare stock required.
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 21:25:55 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
On 27/04/2026 18:43, Charles Ellson wrote:It would probably be out of date by next week. :-(
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:35:18 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10snjt0$2bmkj$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:13:20 on Mon, 27 Apr >>>>> 2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:Knowsley - Blue bin - garden waste. (see also hens' teeth)
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10sljds$1ovhe$6@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:00 on Sun, 26 Apr >>>>>>> 2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
ps. Then there's the fly-tipping mentioned above. I used to regularly >>>>>>>>> see local residents dumping huge piles of old newspapers, or cardboard
boxes, in the public litter bins. Partly because due to the type of >>>>>>>>> housing there's often nowhere to put wheelie bins, so "blue bin" waste
has to be collected inside the house and put out in a transparent >>>>>>>>> plastic bag on bin day.
I don't think "blue bin" is particularly helpful terminology here, I don't
have a blue bin so I've no idea what might go in yours.
"Blue Bin" is a very common term for the mixed-recyclables bin. Like >>>>>>> "Green Bin" is for garden waste.
You only know that if you live in an area where that applies.
I don't live in such an area, and neither do family who I visit.
So I have no frame of reference to know that.
If you can find any local authority which uses a blue bin for general >>>>> waste, or garden waste, I'd be interested. Failing that, the only
conclusion is it's for mixed recyclables.
https://www.knowsley.gov.uk/bins-waste-and-recycling/your-household-bins/what-put-your-bin
Well played, sir. I'm surprised someone with time on their hands hasn't >>> produced a comprehensive council-by-council table of colour use.
A few councils seem to have learned the trick of using different
coloured lids rather than complete bins for non-general stuff thus
reducing the overall spare stock required.
British Standards Institute, now what was that???
Tweed wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
A few councils seem to have learned the trick of using differentcoloured lids rather than complete bins for non-general stuff thus
reducing the overall spare stock required.
Ours is one such, all bins are green with black/green/brown lids.
They have worked out they get better recycling take-up by telling us to
put everything recyclable into one bin and then let them sort it.
And that that rather than 'rotating' the bin day to different days each
year so everyone misses out on bank holiday collections once every few years, just collect 5 days every week (except xmas day, boxing day and
new years day) so your day never changes, but allow any number of extra
bags to be collected the following collection from those.
No doubt Westminster will have plans to tell them what to do and not do
to make them "unified".
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:33:32 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10snfd4$2aa1f$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:56:36 on Mon, 27 Apr >>2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:Only one of many charity shops near me accepts electrical goods. Waste >electrical goods are mainly dealt with centrally by the council tip
On 27 Apr 2026 10:36:54 GMT
Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> gabbled:
One waste stream I haven?t seen mentioned so far is small domestic >>>>electrical items .
Here I would take it to the ?tip? where a chap diligently goes
through them
at a bench cutting out wire etc. In Mothers bit of Devon they will collect >>>>them if left out neatly alongside the recycling bin.
By small I think they mean things like hairdryers and old Irons, not a 50? >>>>wide screen telly.
Charity shops will generally accept electrical items these days. Since they >>>don't test them when you hand them in its on your conscience whether you >>>deliberately hand in a broken bit of junk.
YMMV, a lot of charity shops won't accept electrical items because they >>don't have a volunteer Portable Apparatus PAT Tester on the premises.
So they have to spend the charity's money having them disposed of by a >>commercial waste operator.
being the designated collection point although some of the larger
retailers still seem to accept the goods themselves, at least when a
matching purchase is made.
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 21:25:55 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
Well played, sir. I'm surprised someone with time on their hands hasn't >>> produced a comprehensive council-by-council table of colour use.It would probably be out of date by next week. :-(
A few councils seem to have learned the trick of using different
coloured lids rather than complete bins for non-general stuff thus
reducing the overall spare stock required.
British Standards Institute, now what was that???
On 28/04/2026 20:28, Tweed wrote:
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 21:25:55 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
Well played, sir. I'm surprised someone with time on their hands hasn't >>>> produced a comprehensive council-by-council table of colour use.It would probably be out of date by next week. :-(
A few councils seem to have learned the trick of using different
coloured lids rather than complete bins for non-general stuff thus
reducing the overall spare stock required.
British Standards Institute, now what was that???
If someone tried to standardise the bin colours, the Telegraph would go ballistic at the nanny-state government interfering in glorious free enterprise, the Express would claim that a Great British manufacturer of purple bins was being put out of business by cheaper brown bins made in Poland, and The Mail would say it was all the fault of Brussels
Bureaucrats and a betrayal of Brexit.
This is, by and large, why you cannot have nice things.
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
On 28/04/2026 20:28, Tweed wrote:
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 21:25:55 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote: >>>>> Well played, sir. I'm surprised someone with time on their hands hasn't >>>>> produced a comprehensive council-by-council table of colour use.
It would probably be out of date by next week. :-(
A few councils seem to have learned the trick of using different
coloured lids rather than complete bins for non-general stuff thus
reducing the overall spare stock required.
British Standards Institute, now what was that???
If someone tried to standardise the bin colours, the Telegraph would go
ballistic at the nanny-state government interfering in glorious free
enterprise, the Express would claim that a Great British manufacturer of
purple bins was being put out of business by cheaper brown bins made in
Poland, and The Mail would say it was all the fault of Brussels
Bureaucrats and a betrayal of Brexit.
This is, by and large, why you cannot have nice things.
Don?t tell anyone that all the bins are German?..
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
On 28/04/2026 20:28, Tweed wrote:
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 21:25:55 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote: >>>>> Well played, sir. I'm surprised someone with time on their hands hasn't >>>>> produced a comprehensive council-by-council table of colour use.
It would probably be out of date by next week. :-(
A few councils seem to have learned the trick of using different
coloured lids rather than complete bins for non-general stuff thus
reducing the overall spare stock required.
British Standards Institute, now what was that???
If someone tried to standardise the bin colours, the Telegraph would go
ballistic at the nanny-state government interfering in glorious free
enterprise, the Express would claim that a Great British manufacturer of
purple bins was being put out of business by cheaper brown bins made in
Poland, and The Mail would say it was all the fault of Brussels
Bureaucrats and a betrayal of Brexit.
This is, by and large, why you cannot have nice things.
Don?t tell anyone that all the bins are German?..
On 29/04/2026 14:40, Tweed wrote:
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
On 28/04/2026 20:28, Tweed wrote:
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 21:25:55 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote: >>>>>> Well played, sir. I'm surprised someone with time on their hands hasn't >>>>>> produced a comprehensive council-by-council table of colour use.
It would probably be out of date by next week. :-(
A few councils seem to have learned the trick of using different
coloured lids rather than complete bins for non-general stuff thus
reducing the overall spare stock required.
British Standards Institute, now what was that???
If someone tried to standardise the bin colours, the Telegraph would go
ballistic at the nanny-state government interfering in glorious free
enterprise, the Express would claim that a Great British manufacturer of >>> purple bins was being put out of business by cheaper brown bins made in
Poland, and The Mail would say it was all the fault of Brussels
Bureaucrats and a betrayal of Brexit.
This is, by and large, why you cannot have nice things.
Don?t tell anyone that all the bins are German?..
Just checked mine - made in Britain....
This is, by and large, why you cannot have nice things.
Don?t tell anyone that all the bins are German?..
Just checked mine - made in Britain....
I think the original wheelie bin design is German.
A few councils seem to have learned the trick of using different
coloured lids rather than complete bins for non-general stuff thus >>>>>> reducing the overall spare stock required.
British Standards Institute, now what was that???
If someone tried to standardise the bin colours, the Telegraph would go >>>> ballistic at the nanny-state government interfering in glorious free
enterprise, the Express would claim that a Great British manufacturer of >>>> purple bins was being put out of business by cheaper brown bins made in >>>> Poland, and The Mail would say it was all the fault of Brussels
Bureaucrats and a betrayal of Brexit.
This is, by and large, why you cannot have nice things.
Don?t tell anyone that all the bins are German?..
Just checked mine - made in Britain....
I think the original wheelie bin design is German.
Roland Perry wrote:
They've also just switched my date (from Wednesday to Thursday) and
say the bin must only be put out between 6pm and 7am**, and taken
back in "as soon as possible" strongly implying later the same day.
Some people have different shift patterns to that
Here, neighbours will return someone else's bin to the back
if they've gone out, or at least drag them off the street onto their
drive.
and once upon a time the binmen returned them to your property,
rather than leaving them in the middle of the road.
Then most houses had a side-path, now garage conversions and extensions
mean that several houses have to haul bins through the house ...
In message <10sv4rg$hjsr$1@andyburns.eternal-september.org>, at 09:45:29
on Thu, 30 Apr 2026, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
They've also just switched my date (from Wednesday to Thursday) and
say˙ the bin must only be put out between 6pm and 7am**, and taken
back in˙ "as soon as possible" strongly implying later the same day.
Some people˙ have different shift patterns to that
Here, neighbours will return someone else's bin to the back
Houses with side paths, and unlocked gates. How quaint!
if they've gone out, or at least drag them off the street onto their
drive.
That may work in some neighbourhoods, but when I was living in
Nottingham runners for the bin-men would round up twenty or thirty
at a time awaiting the lorry arriving a bit later. Then they'd leave
all twenty or thirty on the street. In any case, not all will have a
house number on them.
and once upon a time the binmen˙ returned them to your property,
rather than leaving them in the middle˙ of the road.
Then most houses had a side-path, now garage conversions and
extensions mean that several houses have to haul bins through the
house ...
I don't know of anybody at all who wheels a bin through the house. Might just work in weather like today, but a lot of the time you'd need to
call the carpet cleaners the next day.
Am 30.04.2026 um 11:29 schrieb Roland Perry:
In message <10sv4rg$hjsr$1@andyburns.eternal-september.org>, at
09:45:29 on Thu, 30 Apr 2026, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:Houses with side paths, and unlocked gates. How quaint!
They've also just switched my date (from Wednesday to Thursday) and >>>>say? the bin must only be put out between 6pm and 7am**, and taken >>>>back in? "as soon as possible" strongly implying later the same day. >>>>Some people? have different shift patterns to that
Here, neighbours will return someone else's bin to the back
if they've gone out, or at least drag them off the street onto their >>>drive.
That may work in some neighbourhoods, but when I was living in >>Nottingham runners for the bin-men would round up twenty or thirty
at a time awaiting the lorry arriving a bit later. Then they'd leave
all twenty or thirty on the street. In any case, not all will have a >>house number on them.
and once upon a time the binmen? returned them to your property, >>>>rather than leaving them in the middle? of the road.
Then most houses had a side-path, now garage conversions and
extensions mean that several houses have to haul bins through the
house ...
I don't know of anybody at all who wheels a bin through the house.
Might just work in weather like today, but a lot of the time you'd
need to call the carpet cleaners the next day.
In blocks of flats from 1900 where the front door upens directly to the >pavement,
you have two options:
a) wheelie bin in the hall
b) wheelie bin in the backyard being hauled through the house.
Obviously, there's no carpet in such a hall because everybody has to
wheel their bicycles through as well.
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 18:13:00 +0100, Charles Ellson ><charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:33:32 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10snfd4$2aa1f$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:56:36 on Mon, 27 Apr >>>2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:Only one of many charity shops near me accepts electrical goods. Waste >>electrical goods are mainly dealt with centrally by the council tip
On 27 Apr 2026 10:36:54 GMT
Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> gabbled:
One waste stream I haven?t seen mentioned so far is small domestic >>>>>electrical items .
Here I would take it to the ?tip? where a chap diligently goes >>>>>through them
at a bench cutting out wire etc. In Mothers bit of Devon they will collect
them if left out neatly alongside the recycling bin.
By small I think they mean things like hairdryers and old Irons, not a 50? >>>>>wide screen telly.
Charity shops will generally accept electrical items these days. Since they >>>>don't test them when you hand them in its on your conscience whether you >>>>deliberately hand in a broken bit of junk.
YMMV, a lot of charity shops won't accept electrical items because they >>>don't have a volunteer Portable Apparatus PAT Tester on the premises.
So they have to spend the charity's money having them disposed of by a >>>commercial waste operator.
being the designated collection point although some of the larger
retailers still seem to accept the goods themselves, at least when a >>matching purchase is made.
Our council has recently introduced a domestic waste electricals
collection. Put out you small domestic appliances etc. in a carrier
bag on top of the bin, whether the bin lid is black or green.
In message <10svgch$ja2l$2@dont-email.me>, at 14:02:25 on Thu, 30 Apr
2026, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> remarked:
Am 30.04.2026 um 11:29 schrieb Roland Perry:
In message <10sv4rg$hjsr$1@andyburns.eternal-september.org>, at >>>09:45:29 on Thu, 30 Apr 2026, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> >>>remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:Houses with side paths, and unlocked gates. How quaint!
They've also just switched my date (from Wednesday to Thursday) and >>>>>say? the bin must only be put out between 6pm and 7am**, and taken >>>>>back in? "as soon as possible" strongly implying later the same day. >>>>>Some people? have different shift patterns to that
Here, neighbours will return someone else's bin to the back
if they've gone out, or at least drag them off the street onto their >>>>drive.
That may work in some neighbourhoods, but when I was living in >>>Nottingham runners for the bin-men would round up twenty or thirty
at a time awaiting the lorry arriving a bit later. Then they'd leave
all twenty or thirty on the street. In any case, not all will have a >>>house number on them.
and once upon a time the binmen? returned them to your property, >>>>>rather than leaving them in the middle? of the road.
Then most houses had a side-path, now garage conversions and >>>>extensions mean that several houses have to haul bins through the >>>>house ...
I don't know of anybody at all who wheels a bin through the house. >>>Might just work in weather like today, but a lot of the time you'd
need to call the carpet cleaners the next day.
In blocks of flats from 1900 where the front door upens directly to the >>pavement,
So only a tiny number of properties in England.
you have two options:
a) wheelie bin in the hall
b) wheelie bin in the backyard being hauled through the house.
Obviously, there's no carpet in such a hall because everybody has to
wheel their bicycles through as well.
In England it's more about particularly terraced houses which open onto
the street. And people will normally have a carpeted living room just
inside the front door.
Not in the hundreds that I visited during my paid working life. ManyI don't know of anybody at all who wheels a bin through the house. >>>>Might just work in weather like today, but a lot of the time you'd >>>>need to call the carpet cleaners the next day.
In blocks of flats from 1900 where the front door upens directly to the >>>pavement,
So only a tiny number of properties in England.
you have two options:
a) wheelie bin in the hall
b) wheelie bin in the backyard being hauled through the house.
Obviously, there's no carpet in such a hall because everybody has to >>>wheel their bicycles through as well.
In England it's more about particularly terraced houses which open onto
the street. And people will normally have a carpeted living room just >>inside the front door.
had tiled floors in the lobby which led to the kitchen at the back.
The only one that fitted that description was a friend's canal cottage
in Buckinghamshire.
In message <mc97vktbcd9mtfujhf1lit8qg9avs4tjp5@4ax.com>, at 19:58:37 on
Thu, 30 Apr 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
Not in the hundreds that I visited during my paid working life. ManyI don't know of anybody at all who wheels a bin through the house. >>>>>Might just work in weather like today, but a lot of the time you'd >>>>>need to call the carpet cleaners the next day.
In blocks of flats from 1900 where the front door upens directly to the >>>>pavement,
So only a tiny number of properties in England.
you have two options:
a) wheelie bin in the hall
b) wheelie bin in the backyard being hauled through the house.
Obviously, there's no carpet in such a hall because everybody has to >>>>wheel their bicycles through as well.
In England it's more about particularly terraced houses which open onto >>>the street. And people will normally have a carpeted living room just >>>inside the front door.
had tiled floors in the lobby which led to the kitchen at the back.
What is this "lobby" of which you speak? I said "the living room, just >inside the front door". No mention of lobby, no hallway, just a front
door leading straight into the living room (which nowadays will often be >carpeted, rather than bare floorboards).
If you've not noticed the thousands which meet that description, you
need to get out more.
The only one that fitted that description was a friend's canal cottage
in Buckinghamshire.
That's one where I would expect a lower probability of carpet, as the
front door might be opening onto a muddy towpath rather than a road.
On Thu, 30 Apr 2026 20:12:18 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <mc97vktbcd9mtfujhf1lit8qg9avs4tjp5@4ax.com>, at 19:58:37 on >>Thu, 30 Apr 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>You won't have a lobby if you walk straight into the living room.
remarked:
Not in the hundreds that I visited during my paid working life. ManyI don't know of anybody at all who wheels a bin through the house. >>>>>>Might just work in weather like today, but a lot of the time you'd >>>>>>need to call the carpet cleaners the next day.
In blocks of flats from 1900 where the front door upens directly to the >>>>>pavement,
So only a tiny number of properties in England.
you have two options:
a) wheelie bin in the hall
b) wheelie bin in the backyard being hauled through the house.
Obviously, there's no carpet in such a hall because everybody has to >>>>>wheel their bicycles through as well.
In England it's more about particularly terraced houses which open onto >>>>the street. And people will normally have a carpeted living room just >>>>inside the front door.
had tiled floors in the lobby which led to the kitchen at the back.
What is this "lobby" of which you speak? I said "the living room, just >>inside the front door". No mention of lobby, no hallway, just a front
door leading straight into the living room (which nowadays will often be >>carpeted, rather than bare floorboards).
If you've not noticed the thousands which meet that description, youI had 20 years of "getting out" across a large part of NW London,
need to get out more.
entering houses mainly built from Victorian times onward. I don't
recall any of the humblest of dwellings (of which e.g. Hampstead still
has a lot hidden round the back) having entry direct from the street
to the living room.
It actually opened onto the A41. The canal was round the back.The only one that fitted that description was a friend's canal cottage
in Buckinghamshire.
That's one where I would expect a lower probability of carpet, as the
front door might be opening onto a muddy towpath rather than a road.
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