• Component on circuit board from Ryobi Scroll Saw SC164VS.

    From peter@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, May 06, 2026 17:13:14
    Hi,

    At https://easthope.ca/RyobiScrollSawSC164VS.jpg part of the power
    board from a Ryobi scroll saw is visible. A dime is there for scale.

    Is the blue thing a diode? Search for C702 produced many citations;
    none seeming particularly relevant.

    Thanks, ... P.





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  • From ehsjr@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, May 06, 2026 22:02:51
    On 5/6/2026 8:13 PM, peter@easthope.ca wrote:
    Hi,

    At https://easthope.ca/RyobiScrollSawSC164VS.jpg part of the power
    board from a Ryobi scroll saw is visible. A dime is there for scale.

    Is the blue thing a diode? Search for C702 produced many citations;
    none seeming particularly relevant.

    Thanks, ... P.





    Likely a DIAC
    Ed

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  • From peter@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 07, 2026 11:54:54
    In article <10tgrsa$11ss$1@ehsjr.eternal-september.org>, ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
    Likely a DIAC

    Thanks Ed.

    A sketch of the circuit is here. https://easthope.ca/RyobiScrollSawSC164VSboard.jpg

    A search for "DIAC C702" gave these pages.

    https://www.aliexpress.com/s/wiki-ssr/article/db3-c702-diode https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/db3.pdf

    In one of the documents, mention of a DIAC feeding the gate of a TRIAC
    is consistent with the observed circuit.

    In a week or two, can check Lee's Electronic Components here in
    Vancouver for a replacment; a C702 or a DB3.

    Meanwhile I'm curious about the circuit. R5 adjusts the voltage
    delivered to the gate of the TRIAC. What do C2, R3, R4 and R6 add to
    that?

    Thanks, ... P.



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  • From ehsjr@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 07, 2026 15:52:38
    On 5/7/2026 2:54 PM, peter@easthope.ca wrote:
    In article <10tgrsa$11ss$1@ehsjr.eternal-september.org>, ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
    Likely a DIAC

    Thanks Ed.

    A sketch of the circuit is here. https://easthope.ca/RyobiScrollSawSC164VSboard.jpg

    A search for "DIAC C702" gave these pages.

    https://www.aliexpress.com/s/wiki-ssr/article/db3-c702-diode https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/db3.pdf

    In one of the documents, mention of a DIAC feeding the gate of a TRIAC
    is consistent with the observed circuit.

    In a week or two, can check Lee's Electronic Components here in
    Vancouver for a replacment; a C702 or a DB3.

    Meanwhile I'm curious about the circuit. R5 adjusts the voltage
    delivered to the gate of the TRIAC. What do C2, R3, R4 and R6 add to
    that?

    Thanks, ... P.



    They control the timing (what phase angle) of the trigger to the triac.
    Maybe the simplest way to think of it is to picture 180 degrees of a
    sine wave and consider how long the triac conducts if the trigger is
    applied at 0 degrees, 1 degree, 2 degrees etc. When the trigger pulse "arrives" at the gate, the triac turns on and stays on as long as a
    certain minimum current, called the "holding current" flows. When the
    sine wave reaches 180 degrees there is no current so the triac turns
    off. The sooner in the cycle the triac is triggered the longer it
    conducts, providing input to the bridge and therefore power to the
    motor, thus controlling its speed. There's a lot more that could be
    said about triacs but that's a small overview.
    Ed

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  • From peter@3:633/10 to All on Monday, May 11, 2026 10:22:59
    In article <10tiqi5$11st$1@ehsjr.eternal-september.org>, ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
    They control the timing (what phase angle) of the trigger to the triac.
    Maybe the simplest way to think of it is to picture 180 degrees of a
    sine wave and consider how long the triac conducts if the trigger is
    applied at 0 degrees, 1 degree, 2 degrees etc. ...

    Ed, thanks for the explanation. Very helpful.

    My immediate challenge is to find a replacement for the C702.
    From Web based documentation, DB3 is somewhat equivalent and
    may substitute.

    Thx, ... P.


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  • From ehsjr@3:633/10 to All on Monday, May 11, 2026 15:28:37
    On 5/11/2026 1:22 PM, peter@easthope.ca wrote:
    In article <10tiqi5$11st$1@ehsjr.eternal-september.org>, ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
    They control the timing (what phase angle) of the trigger to the triac.
    Maybe the simplest way to think of it is to picture 180 degrees of a
    sine wave and consider how long the triac conducts if the trigger is
    applied at 0 degrees, 1 degree, 2 degrees etc. ...

    Ed, thanks for the explanation. Very helpful.

    My immediate challenge is to find a replacement for the C702.
    From Web based documentation, DB3 is somewhat equivalent and
    may substitute.

    Thx, ... P.


    Good luck with the repair - my bet is that you'll succeed. :-)
    That was a nice schematic you drew.
    Ed

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