• Re: Operating systems age control

    From Carlos E.R.@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, May 27, 2026 17:50:39
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    I usually download Linux distros from wherever it is in the world.
    There are many servers, some close some far away.
    Will they block those sites?
    Release specific country versions of debian?

    Do you know that some Linux distros can not be downloaded in Cuba? Or
    that you can not register in the support mail lists or forums?

    No, any references?

    I know first hand.

    Is that King Kong enforced or by the Cuban government?

    No, the USA enforces it.


    But that sort of censorship is everywhere and getting worse.
    rt.com is blocked here in the Netherlands on internet by local providers Russofobia!
    Easy to get around in Linux, modify /etc/resolv.conf so it reads:
    cat /etc/resolv.conf
    nameserver 8.8.8.8
    nameserver 8.8.4.4

    Those are the google name servers, and those do not block rt.com
    No idea what else they block here..


    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES??, EU??;

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 28, 2026 02:15:16
    On 27/05/2026 11:29 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 27 May 2026 12:49:58 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/05/2026 1:46 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 26 May 2026 15:03:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
    On 26/05/2026 10:29 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com>wrote:
    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote in news:10v3f7s$1tb5s$1@dont-
    email.me:

    <snipped Jan's perception of how he "grew up">

    If you, as young kid, do not learn what is going on in social media, then you will be endangered later in life.

    Good, bad...

    Getting religion is just as risky as getting exposed to different sets >>>>> of silly ideas from social media.

    All is relative ..

    No not relativity, Onestone's crap.

    Jan never got enough education to realise that Einstein's theory of
    relativity isn't actually crap, and that the Le Sage theory of
    gravitation actually is crap. My nephew that works for Google pissed me >>>>> off this afternoon. He's got access to some kind of Artificial
    Intelligence tool that let him e-mail me a hare-brained pseudo-physics >>>>> paper that looked perfectly plausible until you tried work out what was >>>>> actually being said. When I pointed that there wasn't any reference to >>>>> experimental evidence, I got version two, which went on about
    experimental evidence without saying anything meaningful. Jan Panteltje >>>>> would have been charmed.

    It is exactly the other way around
    You dwell in the imagination of your own greatness
    while I live in a real world.
    Even the simplest mind will see 'fusion power' and Onestone's bended space is all crap without a mechanism.
    Formulas .. just a mamamatical way of describing what we see without the understanding of the mechanism behind it all.

    Billions spend on ITER just to keep Onestone parrots busy
    Billions spend on 'fussion' power just to keep some idiots at work making sure they stay idiots
    An peopholes happy to supply them with electronix for profit.

    Design something, show it here, you do not even have a website!
    Your yes-no babble with Lark Johnning is all I see.

    I design things and post links here. Well, not the really good stuff.

    Which doesn't actually exist, except in John's fond imagination.

    OK, let's compare our web sites.

    I was just thinking about my favorite circuits. Some of the bits in my digital delay generators are kinda cute. And the Mach-Zendher
    modulator drivers.

    I kinda like my autotransformer-flyback-multiplier HV supply, which I
    have posted here.

    I have a mosfet-LED thing that's really fun. I might teach a course
    using it.


    Hey! we are having tropical temperatures here now in the Netherlands!
    Highest values ever all over Europe.
    I think UK is melting too.
    Probably all the fault of your glow ball warming!

    These folks are interesting:

    https://inertia.com/

    Check out the numbers!

    Don't bother. It's a start-up trying to get more capital

    Bother. It's interesting.

    Only to gullible twits like John Larkin. The website is designed to be impressive, rather than comprehensible, which is never a good sign.

    They have gathered $500M already. It's a long shot that this will
    work, but the upside would be huge.

    Gathering capital on that scale is the easy bit. 19 out of twenty
    start-ups fail. This looks more like a a potential failure (tagging onto
    the NIF work, which was more aimed at making sure that nuclear weapons
    work than generating a reliable supply of energy, isn't a good sign).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HB11_Energy

    is working on aneutronic boron-hydrogen fusion. It has been around for a
    while, and has demonstrated net energy gain (at the particle level).

    Power generating hardware is still some way off, as it is for every
    other start-up in the area.

    And there are quite a few other start-ups around.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Ross Finlayson@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, May 27, 2026 10:22:43
    On 05/27/2026 09:15 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 27/05/2026 11:29 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 27 May 2026 12:49:58 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/05/2026 1:46 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 26 May 2026 15:03:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
    On 26/05/2026 10:29 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com>wrote:
    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote in
    news:10v3f7s$1tb5s$1@dont-
    email.me:

    <snipped Jan's perception of how he "grew up">

    If you, as young kid, do not learn what is going on in social
    media, then you will be endangered later in life.

    Good, bad...

    Getting religion is just as risky as getting exposed to different
    sets
    of silly ideas from social media.

    All is relative ..

    No not relativity, Onestone's crap.

    Jan never got enough education to realise that Einstein's theory of >>>>>> relativity isn't actually crap, and that the Le Sage theory of
    gravitation actually is crap. My nephew that works for Google
    pissed me
    off this afternoon. He's got access to some kind of Artificial
    Intelligence tool that let him e-mail me a hare-brained
    pseudo-physics
    paper that looked perfectly plausible until you tried work out
    what was
    actually being said. When I pointed that there wasn't any
    reference to
    experimental evidence, I got version two, which went on about
    experimental evidence without saying anything meaningful. Jan
    Panteltje
    would have been charmed.

    It is exactly the other way around
    You dwell in the imagination of your own greatness
    while I live in a real world.
    Even the simplest mind will see 'fusion power' and Onestone's
    bended space is all crap without a mechanism.
    Formulas .. just a mamamatical way of describing what we see
    without the understanding of the mechanism behind it all.

    Billions spend on ITER just to keep Onestone parrots busy
    Billions spend on 'fussion' power just to keep some idiots at work
    making sure they stay idiots
    An peopholes happy to supply them with electronix for profit.

    Design something, show it here, you do not even have a website!
    Your yes-no babble with Lark Johnning is all I see.

    I design things and post links here. Well, not the really good stuff.

    Which doesn't actually exist, except in John's fond imagination.

    OK, let's compare our web sites.

    I was just thinking about my favorite circuits. Some of the bits in my
    digital delay generators are kinda cute. And the Mach-Zendher
    modulator drivers.

    I kinda like my autotransformer-flyback-multiplier HV supply, which I
    have posted here.

    I have a mosfet-LED thing that's really fun. I might teach a course
    using it.


    Hey! we are having tropical temperatures here now in the Netherlands! >>>>> Highest values ever all over Europe.
    I think UK is melting too.
    Probably all the fault of your glow ball warming!

    These folks are interesting:

    https://inertia.com/

    Check out the numbers!

    Don't bother. It's a start-up trying to get more capital

    Bother. It's interesting.

    Only to gullible twits like John Larkin. The website is designed to be impressive, rather than comprehensible, which is never a good sign.

    They have gathered $500M already. It's a long shot that this will
    work, but the upside would be huge.

    Gathering capital on that scale is the easy bit. 19 out of twenty
    start-ups fail. This looks more like a a potential failure (tagging onto
    the NIF work, which was more aimed at making sure that nuclear weapons
    work than generating a reliable supply of energy, isn't a good sign).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HB11_Energy

    is working on aneutronic boron-hydrogen fusion. It has been around for a >>> while, and has demonstrated net energy gain (at the particle level).

    Power generating hardware is still some way off, as it is for every
    other start-up in the area.

    And there are quite a few other start-ups around.


    If they have "unlimited electricity"
    it's not complicated, difficult, nor expensive,
    to make "sustainable aviation fuel"
    from air and water with a quite simple and low-maintenance plant,
    that also being carbon-neutral.


    A usual idea to get fusion "pumping the magnet" without
    "self-sustaining ignition" per se is simple and obvious.

    The old ideas of "chemically-assisted" or "low-energy"
    nuclear reactions are still around (CANR/LENR).

    Yeah, yeah, I know, "Pons and Fleischmann hoax".


    Yet, Fritz London is still about the super-coolest physicist.




    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, May 27, 2026 13:50:04
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 02:15:16 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/05/2026 11:29 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 27 May 2026 12:49:58 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/05/2026 1:46 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 26 May 2026 15:03:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
    On 26/05/2026 10:29 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com>wrote:
    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote in news:10v3f7s$1tb5s$1@dont-
    email.me:

    <snipped Jan's perception of how he "grew up">

    If you, as young kid, do not learn what is going on in social media, then you will be endangered later in life.

    Good, bad...

    Getting religion is just as risky as getting exposed to different sets >>>>>> of silly ideas from social media.

    All is relative ..

    No not relativity, Onestone's crap.

    Jan never got enough education to realise that Einstein's theory of >>>>>> relativity isn't actually crap, and that the Le Sage theory of
    gravitation actually is crap. My nephew that works for Google pissed me >>>>>> off this afternoon. He's got access to some kind of Artificial
    Intelligence tool that let him e-mail me a hare-brained pseudo-physics >>>>>> paper that looked perfectly plausible until you tried work out what was >>>>>> actually being said. When I pointed that there wasn't any reference to >>>>>> experimental evidence, I got version two, which went on about
    experimental evidence without saying anything meaningful. Jan Panteltje >>>>>> would have been charmed.

    It is exactly the other way around
    You dwell in the imagination of your own greatness
    while I live in a real world.
    Even the simplest mind will see 'fusion power' and Onestone's bended space is all crap without a mechanism.
    Formulas .. just a mamamatical way of describing what we see without the understanding of the mechanism behind it all.

    Billions spend on ITER just to keep Onestone parrots busy
    Billions spend on 'fussion' power just to keep some idiots at work making sure they stay idiots
    An peopholes happy to supply them with electronix for profit.

    Design something, show it here, you do not even have a website!
    Your yes-no babble with Lark Johnning is all I see.

    I design things and post links here. Well, not the really good stuff.

    Which doesn't actually exist, except in John's fond imagination.

    OK, let's compare our web sites.

    I was just thinking about my favorite circuits. Some of the bits in my
    digital delay generators are kinda cute. And the Mach-Zendher
    modulator drivers.

    I kinda like my autotransformer-flyback-multiplier HV supply, which I
    have posted here.

    I have a mosfet-LED thing that's really fun. I might teach a course
    using it.


    Hey! we are having tropical temperatures here now in the Netherlands! >>>>> Highest values ever all over Europe.
    I think UK is melting too.
    Probably all the fault of your glow ball warming!

    These folks are interesting:

    https://inertia.com/

    Check out the numbers!

    Don't bother. It's a start-up trying to get more capital

    Bother. It's interesting.

    Only to gullible twits like John Larkin. The website is designed to be >impressive, rather than comprehensible, which is never a good sign.

    They have gathered $500M already. It's a long shot that this will
    work, but the upside would be huge.

    Gathering capital on that scale is the easy bit. 19 out of twenty
    start-ups fail. This looks more like a a potential failure (tagging onto
    the NIF work, which was more aimed at making sure that nuclear weapons
    work than generating a reliable supply of energy, isn't a good sign).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HB11_Energy

    is working on aneutronic boron-hydrogen fusion. It has been around for a >>> while, and has demonstrated net energy gain (at the particle level).

    Power generating hardware is still some way off, as it is for every
    other start-up in the area.

    And there are quite a few other start-ups around.

    NIF has got (with a little help from us) several times the fusion
    energy out compared to light energy in, but wall-plug efficiency is
    still something like 1%, partly because the flashtube pumps emit wide
    spectrum light, little of which is coupled into the laser glass.
    Pumping with semiconductor lasers would couple better.

    Still, it's a long shot to generate power this way.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 28, 2026 10:34:42
    On 28/05/2026 3:22 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 05/27/2026 09:15 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 27/05/2026 11:29 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 27 May 2026 12:49:58 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/05/2026 1:46 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 26 May 2026 15:03:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
    On 26/05/2026 10:29 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com>wrote:
    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote in
    news:10v3f7s$1tb5s$1@dont-
    email.me:

    <snipped Jan's perception of how he "grew up">

    If you, as young kid, do not learn what is going on in social
    media, then you will be endangered later in life.

    Good, bad...

    Getting religion is just as risky as getting exposed to different >>>>>>> sets
    of silly ideas from social media.

    All is relative ..

    No not relativity, Onestone's crap.

    Jan never got enough education to realise that Einstein's theory of >>>>>>> relativity isn't actually crap, and that the Le Sage theory of
    gravitation actually is crap. My nephew that works for Google
    pissed me
    off this afternoon. He's got access to some kind of Artificial
    Intelligence tool that let him e-mail me a hare-brained
    pseudo-physics
    paper that looked perfectly plausible until you tried work out
    what was
    actually being said. When I pointed that there wasn't any
    reference to
    experimental evidence, I got version two, which went on about
    experimental evidence without saying anything meaningful. Jan
    Panteltje
    would have been charmed.

    It is exactly the other way around
    You dwell in the imagination of your own greatness
    while I live in a real world.
    Even the simplest mind will see 'fusion power' and Onestone's
    bended space is all crap without a mechanism.
    Formulas .. just aÿ mamamatical way of describing what we see
    without the understanding of the mechanism behind it all.

    Billions spend on ITER just to keep Onestone parrots busy
    Billions spend on 'fussion' power just to keep some idiots at work >>>>>> making sure they stay idiots
    An peopholes happy to supply them with electronix for profit.

    Design something, show it here, you do not even have a website!
    Your yes-no babble with Lark Johnning is all I see.

    I design things and post links here. Well, not the really good stuff. >>>>
    Which doesn't actually exist, except in John's fond imagination.

    OK, let's compare our web sites.

    I was just thinking about my favorite circuits. Some of the bits in my
    digital delay generators are kinda cute.ÿ And the Mach-Zendher
    modulator drivers.

    I kinda like my autotransformer-flyback-multiplier HV supply, which I
    have posted here.

    I have a mosfet-LED thing that's really fun. I might teach a course
    using it.


    Hey! we are having tropical temperatures here now in the Netherlands! >>>>>> Highest values ever all over Europe.
    I think UK is melting too.
    Probably all the fault of your glow ball warming!

    These folks are interesting:

    https://inertia.com/

    Check out the numbers!

    Don't bother. It's a start-up trying to get more capital

    Bother. It's interesting.

    Only to gullible twits like John Larkin. The website is designed to be
    impressive, rather than comprehensible, which is never a good sign.

    They have gathered $500M already. It's a long shot that this will
    work, but the upside would be huge.

    Gathering capital on that scale is the easy bit. 19 out of twenty
    start-ups fail. This looks more like a a potential failure (tagging onto
    the NIF work, which was more aimed at making sure that nuclear weapons
    work than generating a reliable supply of energy, isn't a good sign).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HB11_Energy

    is working on aneutronic boron-hydrogen fusion. It has been around
    for a
    while, and has demonstrated net energy gain (at the particle level).

    Power generating hardware is still some way off, as it is for every
    other start-up in the area.

    And there are quite a few other start-ups around.


    If they have "unlimited electricity"
    it's not complicated, difficult, nor expensive,
    to make "sustainable aviation fuel"
    from air and water with a quite simple and low-maintenance plant,
    that also being carbon-neutral.

    Unlimited energy is unlimited waste heat. Dissipating that waste heat
    takes more energy and appreciable mass flows. Making small scale
    electronics more energy efficient isn't usually motivated by energy
    saving, but by desire to spend as little money and space as possible on
    heat sinks.

    A usual idea to get fusion "pumping the magnet" without
    "self-sustaining ignition" per se is simple and obvious.

    But so far impracticable for anything smaller than a star.

    The old ideas of "chemically-assisted" or "low-energy"
    nuclear reactions are still around (CANR/LENR).

    Yeah, yeah, I know, "Pons and Fleischmann hoax".

    It wasn't a hoax. It was a set of unexplained results, which - as far as
    I know - still haven't been explained

    Yet, Fritz London is still about the super-coolest physicist.

    But he didn't say anything about low-energy nuclear fusion. The only
    version I know about it is

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion

    which is impractical.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney




    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 28, 2026 10:40:21
    On 28/05/2026 6:50 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 02:15:16 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/05/2026 11:29 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 27 May 2026 12:49:58 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/05/2026 1:46 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 26 May 2026 15:03:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
    On 26/05/2026 10:29 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com>wrote:
    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote in news:10v3f7s$1tb5s$1@dont-
    email.me:

    <snipped Jan's perception of how he "grew up">

    If you, as young kid, do not learn what is going on in social media, then you will be endangered later in life.

    Good, bad...

    Getting religion is just as risky as getting exposed to different sets >>>>>>> of silly ideas from social media.

    All is relative ..

    No not relativity, Onestone's crap.

    Jan never got enough education to realise that Einstein's theory of >>>>>>> relativity isn't actually crap, and that the Le Sage theory of
    gravitation actually is crap. My nephew that works for Google pissed me >>>>>>> off this afternoon. He's got access to some kind of Artificial
    Intelligence tool that let him e-mail me a hare-brained pseudo-physics >>>>>>> paper that looked perfectly plausible until you tried work out what was >>>>>>> actually being said. When I pointed that there wasn't any reference to >>>>>>> experimental evidence, I got version two, which went on about
    experimental evidence without saying anything meaningful. Jan Panteltje >>>>>>> would have been charmed.

    It is exactly the other way around
    You dwell in the imagination of your own greatness
    while I live in a real world.
    Even the simplest mind will see 'fusion power' and Onestone's bended space is all crap without a mechanism.
    Formulas .. just a mamamatical way of describing what we see without the understanding of the mechanism behind it all.

    Billions spend on ITER just to keep Onestone parrots busy
    Billions spend on 'fussion' power just to keep some idiots at work making sure they stay idiots
    An peopholes happy to supply them with electronix for profit.

    Design something, show it here, you do not even have a website!
    Your yes-no babble with Lark Johnning is all I see.

    I design things and post links here. Well, not the really good stuff. >>>>
    Which doesn't actually exist, except in John's fond imagination.

    OK, let's compare our web sites.

    I was just thinking about my favorite circuits. Some of the bits in my
    digital delay generators are kinda cute. And the Mach-Zendher
    modulator drivers.

    I kinda like my autotransformer-flyback-multiplier HV supply, which I
    have posted here.

    I have a mosfet-LED thing that's really fun. I might teach a course
    using it.


    Hey! we are having tropical temperatures here now in the Netherlands! >>>>>> Highest values ever all over Europe.
    I think UK is melting too.
    Probably all the fault of your glow ball warming!

    These folks are interesting:

    https://inertia.com/

    Check out the numbers!

    Don't bother. It's a start-up trying to get more capital

    Bother. It's interesting.

    Only to gullible twits like John Larkin. The website is designed to be
    impressive, rather than comprehensible, which is never a good sign.

    They have gathered $500M already. It's a long shot that this will
    work, but the upside would be huge.

    Gathering capital on that scale is the easy bit. 19 out of twenty
    start-ups fail. This looks more like a a potential failure (tagging onto
    the NIF work, which was more aimed at making sure that nuclear weapons
    work than generating a reliable supply of energy, isn't a good sign).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HB11_Energy

    is working on aneutronic boron-hydrogen fusion. It has been around for a >>>> while, and has demonstrated net energy gain (at the particle level).

    Power generating hardware is still some way off, as it is for every
    other start-up in the area.

    And there are quite a few other start-ups around.

    NIF has got (with a little help from us) several times the fusion
    energy out compared to light energy in, but wall-plug efficiency is
    still something like 1%, partly because the flashtube pumps emit wide spectrum light, little of which is coupled into the laser glass.
    Pumping with semiconductor lasers would couple better.

    Still, it's a long shot to generate power this way.

    And it stars off with the wrong concept. You want a continuous process,
    not a series of very high energy implosions.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Ross Finlayson@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, May 27, 2026 20:48:53
    On 05/27/2026 05:34 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 28/05/2026 3:22 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 05/27/2026 09:15 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 27/05/2026 11:29 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 27 May 2026 12:49:58 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 27/05/2026 1:46 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 26 May 2026 15:03:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
    On 26/05/2026 10:29 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com>wrote:
    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote in
    news:10v3f7s$1tb5s$1@dont-
    email.me:

    <snipped Jan's perception of how he "grew up">

    If you, as young kid, do not learn what is going on in social >>>>>>>>> media, then you will be endangered later in life.

    Good, bad...

    Getting religion is just as risky as getting exposed to different >>>>>>>> sets
    of silly ideas from social media.

    All is relative ..

    No not relativity, Onestone's crap.

    Jan never got enough education to realise that Einstein's theory of >>>>>>>> relativity isn't actually crap, and that the Le Sage theory of >>>>>>>> gravitation actually is crap. My nephew that works for Google
    pissed me
    off this afternoon. He's got access to some kind of Artificial >>>>>>>> Intelligence tool that let him e-mail me a hare-brained
    pseudo-physics
    paper that looked perfectly plausible until you tried work out >>>>>>>> what was
    actually being said. When I pointed that there wasn't any
    reference to
    experimental evidence, I got version two, which went on about
    experimental evidence without saying anything meaningful. Jan
    Panteltje
    would have been charmed.

    It is exactly the other way around
    You dwell in the imagination of your own greatness
    while I live in a real world.
    Even the simplest mind will see 'fusion power' and Onestone's
    bended space is all crap without a mechanism.
    Formulas .. just a mamamatical way of describing what we see
    without the understanding of the mechanism behind it all.

    Billions spend on ITER just to keep Onestone parrots busy
    Billions spend on 'fussion' power just to keep some idiots at work >>>>>>> making sure they stay idiots
    An peopholes happy to supply them with electronix for profit.

    Design something, show it here, you do not even have a website!
    Your yes-no babble with Lark Johnning is all I see.

    I design things and post links here. Well, not the really good stuff. >>>>>
    Which doesn't actually exist, except in John's fond imagination.

    OK, let's compare our web sites.

    I was just thinking about my favorite circuits. Some of the bits in my >>>> digital delay generators are kinda cute. And the Mach-Zendher
    modulator drivers.

    I kinda like my autotransformer-flyback-multiplier HV supply, which I
    have posted here.

    I have a mosfet-LED thing that's really fun. I might teach a course
    using it.


    Hey! we are having tropical temperatures here now in the
    Netherlands!
    Highest values ever all over Europe.
    I think UK is melting too.
    Probably all the fault of your glow ball warming!

    These folks are interesting:

    https://inertia.com/

    Check out the numbers!

    Don't bother. It's a start-up trying to get more capital

    Bother. It's interesting.

    Only to gullible twits like John Larkin. The website is designed to be
    impressive, rather than comprehensible, which is never a good sign.

    They have gathered $500M already. It's a long shot that this will
    work, but the upside would be huge.

    Gathering capital on that scale is the easy bit. 19 out of twenty
    start-ups fail. This looks more like a a potential failure (tagging onto >>> the NIF work, which was more aimed at making sure that nuclear weapons
    work than generating a reliable supply of energy, isn't a good sign).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HB11_Energy

    is working on aneutronic boron-hydrogen fusion. It has been around
    for a
    while, and has demonstrated net energy gain (at the particle level). >>>>>
    Power generating hardware is still some way off, as it is for every
    other start-up in the area.

    And there are quite a few other start-ups around.


    If they have "unlimited electricity"
    it's not complicated, difficult, nor expensive,
    to make "sustainable aviation fuel"
    from air and water with a quite simple and low-maintenance plant,
    that also being carbon-neutral.

    Unlimited energy is unlimited waste heat. Dissipating that waste heat
    takes more energy and appreciable mass flows. Making small scale
    electronics more energy efficient isn't usually motivated by energy
    saving, but by desire to spend as little money and space as possible on
    heat sinks.

    A usual idea to get fusion "pumping the magnet" without
    "self-sustaining ignition" per se is simple and obvious.

    But so far impracticable for anything smaller than a star.

    The old ideas of "chemically-assisted" or "low-energy"
    nuclear reactions are still around (CANR/LENR).

    Yeah, yeah, I know, "Pons and Fleischmann hoax".

    It wasn't a hoax. It was a set of unexplained results, which - as far as
    I know - still haven't been explained

    Yet, Fritz London is still about the super-coolest physicist.

    But he didn't say anything about low-energy nuclear fusion. The only
    version I know about it is

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion

    which is impractical.


    It was very exciting news the Pons and Fleischmann, there was great disappointment when others couldn't reproduce the results of the
    generated heat, whether that's to due with the palladium or so on.

    Then later CANR/LENR address a number of accounts of either making
    heat or particularly the creating helium from hydrogen, that of
    course was the great claim of Pons and Flesichmann, making helium
    from hydrogen, transmuting the elements.

    The idea I saw about cheap fusion was making a fusion reaction pulse,
    as an electromagnetic pulse, then just letting that pulse on out a
    magnet and it results electrical current, which seems a good way to
    get electricity from the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear reaction.


    The nuclear energy is much less explored its mechanisms, at least
    publicly, vis-a-vis kinetic energy and electrical energy.

    The isotope chart is a lot different than the usual periodic chart
    of elements: it's a line.

    There are lots of materials what make for conditions conducive to
    reaction, nuclear reaction, like the lattices and so on.

    https://www.nasa.gov/glenn/glenn-expertise-space-exploration/lattice-confinement-fusion/


    A usual enough idea is that "cold fusion" is like that, too,
    vis-a-vis accounts of sonoluminescence and the like.



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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Jan Panteltje@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 28, 2026 06:33:30
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    I usually download Linux distros from wherever it is in the world.
    There are many servers, some close some far away.
    Will they block those sites?
    Release specific country versions of debian?

    Do you know that some Linux distros can not be downloaded in Cuba? Or
    that you can not register in the support mail lists or forums?

    No, any references?

    I know first hand.

    Is that King Kong enforced or by the Cuban government?

    No, the USA enforces it.

    US has had its time as world power.
    We are very close to a nuclear global war.
    Russia's Duma had already talked about nuking Kiev.

    Exchanging nukes will likely become the new normal

    Anyways, wildlife is thriving in the Chernobyl area.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 28, 2026 17:08:42
    On 28/05/2026 1:48 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 05/27/2026 05:34 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 28/05/2026 3:22 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 05/27/2026 09:15 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 27/05/2026 11:29 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 27 May 2026 12:49:58 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:

    On 27/05/2026 1:46 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 26 May 2026 15:03:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
    On 26/05/2026 10:29 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com>wrote:
    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote in
    news:10v3f7s$1tb5s$1@dont-
    email.me:

    <snipped Jan's perception of how he "grew up">

    If you, as young kid, do not learn what is going on in social >>>>>>>>>> media, then you will be endangered later in life.

    Good, bad...

    Getting religion is just as risky as getting exposed to different >>>>>>>>> sets
    of silly ideas from social media.

    All is relative ..

    No not relativity, Onestone's crap.

    Jan never got enough education to realise that Einstein's
    theory of
    relativity isn't actually crap, and that the Le Sage theory of >>>>>>>>> gravitation actually is crap. My nephew that works for Google >>>>>>>>> pissed me
    off this afternoon. He's got access to some kind of Artificial >>>>>>>>> Intelligence tool that let him e-mail me a hare-brained
    pseudo-physics
    paper that looked perfectly plausible until you tried work out >>>>>>>>> what was
    actually being said. When I pointed that there wasn't any
    reference to
    experimental evidence, I got version two, which went on about >>>>>>>>> experimental evidence without saying anything meaningful. Jan >>>>>>>>> Panteltje
    would have been charmed.

    It is exactly the other way around
    You dwell in the imagination of your own greatness
    while I live in a real world.
    Even the simplest mind will see 'fusion power' and Onestone's
    bended space is all crap without a mechanism.
    Formulas .. just aÿ mamamatical way of describing what we see
    without the understanding of the mechanism behind it all.

    Billions spend on ITER just to keep Onestone parrots busy
    Billions spend on 'fussion' power just to keep some idiots at work >>>>>>>> making sure they stay idiots
    An peopholes happy to supply them with electronix for profit.

    Design something, show it here, you do not even have a website! >>>>>>>> Your yes-no babble with Lark Johnning is all I see.

    I design things and post links here. Well, not the really good
    stuff.

    Which doesn't actually exist, except in John's fond imagination.

    OK, let's compare our web sites.

    I was just thinking about my favorite circuits. Some of the bits in my >>>>> digital delay generators are kinda cute.ÿ And the Mach-Zendher
    modulator drivers.

    I kinda like my autotransformer-flyback-multiplier HV supply, which I >>>>> have posted here.

    I have a mosfet-LED thing that's really fun. I might teach a course
    using it.


    Hey! we are having tropical temperatures here now in the
    Netherlands!
    Highest values ever all over Europe.
    I think UK is melting too.
    Probably all the fault of your glow ball warming!

    These folks are interesting:

    https://inertia.com/

    Check out the numbers!

    Don't bother. It's a start-up trying to get more capital

    Bother. It's interesting.

    Only to gullible twits like John Larkin. The website is designed to be >>>> impressive, rather than comprehensible, which is never a good sign.

    They have gathered $500M already. It's a long shot that this will
    work, but the upside would be huge.

    Gathering capital on that scale is the easy bit. 19 out of twenty
    start-ups fail. This looks more like a a potential failure (tagging
    onto
    the NIF work, which was more aimed at making sure that nuclear weapons >>>> work than generating a reliable supply of energy, isn't a good sign).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HB11_Energy

    is working on aneutronic boron-hydrogen fusion. It has been around >>>>>> for a
    while, and has demonstrated net energy gain (at the particle level). >>>>>>
    Power generating hardware is still some way off, as it is for every >>>>>> other start-up in the area.

    And there are quite a few other start-ups around.


    If they have "unlimited electricity"
    it's not complicated, difficult, nor expensive,
    to make "sustainable aviation fuel"
    from air and water with a quite simple and low-maintenance plant,
    that also being carbon-neutral.

    Unlimited energy is unlimited waste heat. Dissipating that waste heat
    takes more energy and appreciable mass flows. Making small scale
    electronics more energy efficient isn't usually motivated by energy
    saving, but by desire to spend as little money and space as possible on
    heat sinks.

    A usual idea to get fusion "pumping the magnet" without
    "self-sustaining ignition" per se is simple and obvious.

    But so far impracticable for anything smaller than a star.

    The old ideas of "chemically-assisted" or "low-energy"
    nuclear reactions are still around (CANR/LENR).

    Yeah, yeah, I know, "Pons and Fleischmann hoax".

    It wasn't a hoax. It was a set of unexplained results, which - as far as
    I know - still haven't been explained

    Yet, Fritz London is still about the super-coolest physicist.

    But he didn't say anything about low-energy nuclear fusion. The only
    version I know about it is

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion

    which is impractical.


    It was very exciting news the Pons and Fleischmann, there was great disappointment when others couldn't reproduce the results of the
    generated heat, whether that's to due with the palladium or so on.

    Then later CANR/LENR address a number of accounts of either making
    heat or particularly the creating helium from hydrogen, that of
    course was the great claim of Pons and Flesichmann, making helium
    from hydrogen, transmuting the elements.

    I don't recall that claim ever being made. I'd met Fleischmann many
    years earlier (1972) when I was lowly post-doc at Southampton, and he
    was a professor of electrochemistry there, and I did distinguish between
    what he said (which wasn't much) and the demented commentary in the press.

    People were looking for neutrons and helium, but I don't think that
    anybody found either.

    The idea I saw about cheap fusion was making a fusion reaction pulse,
    as an electromagnetic pulse, then just letting that pulse on out a
    magnet and it results electrical current, which seems a good way to
    get electricity from the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear reaction.

    And pigs might fly.

    The nuclear energy is much less explored its mechanisms, at least
    publicly, vis-a-vis kinetic energy and electrical energy.

    Don't be silly. Nuclear energy is about what happens inside nuclei, and
    what comes out are gamma rays, other nuclei and sub-atomic particles all
    of which (neutrinos excepted) are thoroughly detectable and well understood,

    The isotope chart is a lot different than the usual periodic chart
    of elements: it's a line.

    So what? That's the way it was taught when I was an undergraduate in the
    early 1960's. The idea of the "mass defect" had been around when my
    father was being taught in the 1930s.
    There are lots of materials what make for conditions conducive to
    reaction, nuclear reaction, like the lattices and so on.

    https://www.nasa.gov/glenn/glenn-expertise-space-exploration/lattice-confinement-fusion/

    Optimistic twaddle.

    A usual enough idea is that "cold fusion" is like that, too,
    vis-a-vis accounts of sonoluminescence and the like.

    Generated by people who don't know what they are talking about.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 28, 2026 17:17:35
    On 28/05/2026 4:33 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    I usually download Linux distros from wherever it is in the world.
    There are many servers, some close some far away.
    Will they block those sites?
    Release specific country versions of debian?

    Do you know that some Linux distros can not be downloaded in Cuba? Or
    that you can not register in the support mail lists or forums?

    No, any references?

    I know first hand.

    Is that King Kong enforced or by the Cuban government?

    No, the USA enforces it.

    US has had its time as world power.

    Probably not.

    We are very close to a nuclear global war.

    Also unlikely. It would destroy a great deal of stuff that people have invested hugely in getting together and getting working.

    Russia's Duma had already talked about nuking Kiev.

    Putin does over-egg his propaganda pudding.

    Exchanging nukes will likely become the new normal.

    Launch one nuke and you'll get nuked into a state where you can't do it
    again. Mutual assured destruction is designed to get rid of people who
    are silly enough to think that they can get away with it.

    Anyways, wildlife is thriving in the Chernobyl area.

    The radioactivity isn't good for them. We see the survivors who didn't
    have immediately lethal mutations.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Jan Panteltje@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 28, 2026 09:16:38
    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
    On 28/05/2026 4:33 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    I usually download Linux distros from wherever it is in the world. >>>>>> There are many servers, some close some far away.
    Will they block those sites?
    Release specific country versions of debian?

    Do you know that some Linux distros can not be downloaded in Cuba? Or >>>>> that you can not register in the support mail lists or forums?

    No, any references?

    I know first hand.

    Is that King Kong enforced or by the Cuban government?

    No, the USA enforces it.

    US has had its time as world power.

    Probably not.

    We are very close to a nuclear global war.

    Also unlikely. It would destroy a great deal of stuff that people have >invested hugely in getting together and getting working.

    Russia's Duma had already talked about nuking Kiev.

    Putin does over-egg his propaganda pudding.

    Exchanging nukes will likely become the new normal.

    Launch one nuke and you'll get nuked into a state where you can't do it >again. Mutual assured destruction is designed to get rid of people who
    are silly enough to think that they can get away with it.

    Anyways, wildlife is thriving in the Chernobyl area.

    The radioactivity isn't good for them. We see the survivors who didn't
    have immediately lethal mutations.

    rt.com suddenly wants to know if I am a bot for every page I select.
    So using it sucks
    I will wait for the nuke sounds...

    Oh wait, anonymous browsing
    https://hide.me/en/proxy
    I typed in rt.com as URL

    https://nl.hideproxy.me/go.php?u=Swe8jWe%2FqRZH0ULSenB132W%2FAVsFZK96MsTLFmR3vSqJFxGQqu%2BJ%2FBZwyDn7OkIoJRyxFgAPWftor0xt3Je8&b=0
    result:
    Australia could get US nukes ? Russian security chief
    Washington seeks to create military blocs similar to NATO in the Asia-Pacific region, Sergey Shoigu has warned
    etc etc no checks ...


    What a world

    Age limit?

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 28, 2026 11:09:02
    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On 28/05/2026 4:33 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:


    [...]
    We are very close to a nuclear global war.

    Also unlikely. It would destroy a great deal of stuff that people have invested hugely in getting together and getting working.

    Has that consideration ever stopped war-mongers?


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 28, 2026 22:50:45
    On 28/05/2026 8:09 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On 28/05/2026 4:33 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:


    [...]
    We are very close to a nuclear global war.

    Also unlikely. It would destroy a great deal of stuff that people have
    invested hugely in getting together and getting working.

    Has that consideration ever stopped war-mongers?

    Nuclear wars have a nasty tendency to destroy the war-monger's goodies
    as well. War-mongers do have fantasies about swift decisive campaigns
    confined to their opponent's territories, but mutually assured
    destruction put paid to that.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From Ross Finlayson@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 28, 2026 07:03:24
    On 05/28/2026 12:08 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 28/05/2026 1:48 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 05/27/2026 05:34 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 28/05/2026 3:22 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 05/27/2026 09:15 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 27/05/2026 11:29 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 27 May 2026 12:49:58 +1000, Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/05/2026 1:46 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 26 May 2026 15:03:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
    On 26/05/2026 10:29 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com>wrote:
    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote in
    news:10v3f7s$1tb5s$1@dont-
    email.me:

    <snipped Jan's perception of how he "grew up">

    If you, as young kid, do not learn what is going on in social >>>>>>>>>>> media, then you will be endangered later in life.

    Good, bad...

    Getting religion is just as risky as getting exposed to different >>>>>>>>>> sets
    of silly ideas from social media.

    All is relative ..

    No not relativity, Onestone's crap.

    Jan never got enough education to realise that Einstein's
    theory of
    relativity isn't actually crap, and that the Le Sage theory of >>>>>>>>>> gravitation actually is crap. My nephew that works for Google >>>>>>>>>> pissed me
    off this afternoon. He's got access to some kind of Artificial >>>>>>>>>> Intelligence tool that let him e-mail me a hare-brained
    pseudo-physics
    paper that looked perfectly plausible until you tried work out >>>>>>>>>> what was
    actually being said. When I pointed that there wasn't any
    reference to
    experimental evidence, I got version two, which went on about >>>>>>>>>> experimental evidence without saying anything meaningful. Jan >>>>>>>>>> Panteltje
    would have been charmed.

    It is exactly the other way around
    You dwell in the imagination of your own greatness
    while I live in a real world.
    Even the simplest mind will see 'fusion power' and Onestone's >>>>>>>>> bended space is all crap without a mechanism.
    Formulas .. just a mamamatical way of describing what we see >>>>>>>>> without the understanding of the mechanism behind it all.

    Billions spend on ITER just to keep Onestone parrots busy
    Billions spend on 'fussion' power just to keep some idiots at work >>>>>>>>> making sure they stay idiots
    An peopholes happy to supply them with electronix for profit. >>>>>>>>>
    Design something, show it here, you do not even have a website! >>>>>>>>> Your yes-no babble with Lark Johnning is all I see.

    I design things and post links here. Well, not the really good >>>>>>>> stuff.

    Which doesn't actually exist, except in John's fond imagination.

    OK, let's compare our web sites.

    I was just thinking about my favorite circuits. Some of the bits
    in my
    digital delay generators are kinda cute. And the Mach-Zendher
    modulator drivers.

    I kinda like my autotransformer-flyback-multiplier HV supply, which I >>>>>> have posted here.

    I have a mosfet-LED thing that's really fun. I might teach a course >>>>>> using it.


    Hey! we are having tropical temperatures here now in the
    Netherlands!
    Highest values ever all over Europe.
    I think UK is melting too.
    Probably all the fault of your glow ball warming!

    These folks are interesting:

    https://inertia.com/

    Check out the numbers!

    Don't bother. It's a start-up trying to get more capital

    Bother. It's interesting.

    Only to gullible twits like John Larkin. The website is designed to be >>>>> impressive, rather than comprehensible, which is never a good sign.

    They have gathered $500M already. It's a long shot that this will
    work, but the upside would be huge.

    Gathering capital on that scale is the easy bit. 19 out of twenty
    start-ups fail. This looks more like a a potential failure (tagging
    onto
    the NIF work, which was more aimed at making sure that nuclear weapons >>>>> work than generating a reliable supply of energy, isn't a good sign). >>>>>
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HB11_Energy

    is working on aneutronic boron-hydrogen fusion. It has been around >>>>>>> for a
    while, and has demonstrated net energy gain (at the particle level). >>>>>>>
    Power generating hardware is still some way off, as it is for every >>>>>>> other start-up in the area.

    And there are quite a few other start-ups around.


    If they have "unlimited electricity"
    it's not complicated, difficult, nor expensive,
    to make "sustainable aviation fuel"
    from air and water with a quite simple and low-maintenance plant,
    that also being carbon-neutral.

    Unlimited energy is unlimited waste heat. Dissipating that waste heat
    takes more energy and appreciable mass flows. Making small scale
    electronics more energy efficient isn't usually motivated by energy
    saving, but by desire to spend as little money and space as possible on
    heat sinks.

    A usual idea to get fusion "pumping the magnet" without
    "self-sustaining ignition" per se is simple and obvious.

    But so far impracticable for anything smaller than a star.

    The old ideas of "chemically-assisted" or "low-energy"
    nuclear reactions are still around (CANR/LENR).

    Yeah, yeah, I know, "Pons and Fleischmann hoax".

    It wasn't a hoax. It was a set of unexplained results, which - as far as >>> I know - still haven't been explained

    Yet, Fritz London is still about the super-coolest physicist.

    But he didn't say anything about low-energy nuclear fusion. The only
    version I know about it is

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion

    which is impractical.


    It was very exciting news the Pons and Fleischmann, there was great
    disappointment when others couldn't reproduce the results of the
    generated heat, whether that's to due with the palladium or so on.

    Then later CANR/LENR address a number of accounts of either making
    heat or particularly the creating helium from hydrogen, that of
    course was the great claim of Pons and Flesichmann, making helium
    from hydrogen, transmuting the elements.

    I don't recall that claim ever being made. I'd met Fleischmann many
    years earlier (1972) when I was lowly post-doc at Southampton, and he
    was a professor of electrochemistry there, and I did distinguish between
    what he said (which wasn't much) and the demented commentary in the press.

    People were looking for neutrons and helium, but I don't think that
    anybody found either.

    The idea I saw about cheap fusion was making a fusion reaction pulse,
    as an electromagnetic pulse, then just letting that pulse on out a
    magnet and it results electrical current, which seems a good way to
    get electricity from the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear reaction.

    And pigs might fly.

    The nuclear energy is much less explored its mechanisms, at least
    publicly, vis-a-vis kinetic energy and electrical energy.

    Don't be silly. Nuclear energy is about what happens inside nuclei, and
    what comes out are gamma rays, other nuclei and sub-atomic particles all
    of which (neutrinos excepted) are thoroughly detectable and well
    understood,

    The isotope chart is a lot different than the usual periodic chart
    of elements: it's a line.

    So what? That's the way it was taught when I was an undergraduate in the early 1960's. The idea of the "mass defect" had been around when my
    father was being taught in the 1930s.
    There are lots of materials what make for conditions conducive to
    reaction, nuclear reaction, like the lattices and so on.

    https://www.nasa.gov/glenn/glenn-expertise-space-exploration/lattice-confinement-fusion/


    Optimistic twaddle.

    A usual enough idea is that "cold fusion" is like that, too,
    vis-a-vis accounts of sonoluminescence and the like.

    Generated by people who don't know what they are talking about.


    Oh, I heard they found elementary helium among the products.

    Otherwise there'd be no reason to think of it as "fusion" at all.

    The entire "nucleonic" theory after Sachs et alia
    is fundamentally _not_ today's "hadronic" theory.


    Some people today have "Higgs force" among the four fundamental
    forces in their theory, instead of one of the weak or electroweak
    forces, it's considered about the same as those who derive GR
    from SR instead of the other way around, cart-before-the-horse.

    The whole idea of the palladium electrode was that it was
    like a lattice.


    Here there's even a theory where radiation isn't necessarily
    "electromagnetic radiation" per se, despite something like
    Planck being a reductionism that's convenient, like for
    example heat radiation, light, nuclear rays, and so on.


    Yeah the idea is you just spark the tokamak then it makes
    an electromagnetic pulse and that pumps the magnet, then
    for something easy to understand, results electrical current.


    Another thing fusion reactors find involved is "Faraday rotation",
    which, you know, usual accounts of theory don't have. Before
    you say "oh that's always been known to everybody", no, it hasn't.
    A century of what resulted QED and QCD has resulted a nice little
    corner-case.





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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 28, 2026 12:38:41
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    I usually download Linux distros from wherever it is in the world.
    There are many servers, some close some far away.
    Will they block those sites?
    Release specific country versions of debian?

    Do you know that some Linux distros can not be downloaded in Cuba? Or
    that you can not register in the support mail lists or forums?

    No, any references?

    I know first hand.

    Is that King Kong enforced or by the Cuban government?

    No, the USA enforces it.

    US has had its time as world power.

    I'm not seeing that at all. We are still inventing things, building
    things, having babies. Europe seems to be tapering off.

    I never expected new world-class semi fabs to be built in the US, but
    they are.

    TI and Analog Devices and Broadcom and Nvidia and Apple are here.

    Most FPGA companies are USian.

    We are very close to a nuclear global war.

    Not as close as in the past. I expect that most of the Russian ICBMs
    don't even work any more, and they know it. All the good parts have
    been stolen.


    Russia's Duma had already talked about nuking Kiev.

    Exchanging nukes will likely become the new normal

    Anyways, wildlife is thriving in the Chernobyl area.

    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.15
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Friday, May 29, 2026 12:32:16
    On 29/05/2026 12:03 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 05/28/2026 12:08 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 28/05/2026 1:48 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 05/27/2026 05:34 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 28/05/2026 3:22 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 05/27/2026 09:15 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 27/05/2026 11:29 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 27 May 2026 12:49:58 +1000, Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
    On 27/05/2026 1:46 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 26 May 2026 15:03:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
    On 26/05/2026 10:29 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com>wrote:
    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote in
    news:10v3f7s$1tb5s$1@dont-email.me:

    <snip>

    These folks are interesting:

    https://inertia.com/

    Check out the numbers!

    Don't bother. It's a start-up trying to get more capital

    Bother. It's interesting.

    Only to gullible twits like John Larkin. The website is designed
    to be impressive, rather than comprehensible,
    which is never a good sign.

    They have gathered $500M already. It's a long shot that this will >>>>>>> work, but the upside would be huge.

    Gathering capital on that scale is the easy bit. 19 out of twenty
    start-ups fail. This looks more like a a potential failure (tagging >>>>>> onto the NIF work, which was more aimed at making sure that nuclear >>>>>> weapons work than generating a reliable supply of energy, isn't a >>>>>> good sign).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HB11_Energy

    is working on aneutronic boron-hydrogen fusion. It has been around >>>>>>>> for a while, and has demonstrated net energy gain (at the particle >>>>>>>> level).

    Power generating hardware is still some way off, as it is for every >>>>>>>> other start-up in the area.

    And there are quite a few other start-ups around.

    If they have "unlimited electricity"
    it's not complicated, difficult, nor expensive,
    to make "sustainable aviation fuel"
    from air and water with a quite simple and low-maintenance plant,
    that also being carbon-neutral.

    Unlimited energy is unlimited waste heat. Dissipating that waste heat
    takes more energy and appreciable mass flows. Making small scale
    electronics more energy efficient isn't usually motivated by energy
    saving, but by desire to spend as little money and space as possible on >>>> heat sinks.

    A usual idea to get fusion "pumping the magnet" without
    "self-sustaining ignition" per se is simple and obvious.

    But so far impracticable for anything smaller than a star.

    The old ideas of "chemically-assisted" or "low-energy"
    nuclear reactions are still around (CANR/LENR).

    Yeah, yeah, I know, "Pons and Fleischmann hoax".

    It wasn't a hoax. It was a set of unexplained results, which - as
    far as I know - still haven't been explained

    Yet, Fritz London is still about the super-coolest physicist.

    But he didn't say anything about low-energy nuclear fusion. The only
    version I know about it is

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion

    which is impractical.

    It was very exciting news the Pons and Fleischmann, there was great
    disappointment when others couldn't reproduce the results of the
    generated heat, whether that's to due with the palladium or so on.

    Then later CANR/LENR address a number of accounts of either making
    heat or particularly the creating helium from hydrogen, that of
    course was the great claim of Pons and Flesichmann, making helium
    from hydrogen, transmuting the elements.

    I don't recall that claim ever being made. I'd met Fleischmann many
    years earlier (1972) when I wasÿ lowly post-doc at Southampton, and he
    was a professor of electrochemistry there, and I did distinguish between
    what he said (which wasn't much) and the demented commentary in the
    press.

    People were looking for neutrons and helium, but I don't think that
    anybody found either.

    The idea I saw about cheap fusion was making a fusion reaction pulse,
    as an electromagnetic pulse, then just letting that pulse on out a
    magnet and it results electrical current, which seems a good way to
    get electricity from the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear reaction.

    And pigs might fly.

    The nuclear energy is much less explored its mechanisms, at least
    publicly, vis-a-vis kinetic energy and electrical energy.

    Don't be silly. Nuclear energy is about what happens inside nuclei, and
    what comes out are gamma rays, other nuclei and sub-atomic particles all
    of which (neutrinos excepted) are thoroughly detectable and well
    understood,

    The isotope chart is a lot different than the usual periodic chart
    of elements: it's a line.

    So what? That's the way it was taught when I was an undergraduate in the
    early 1960's. The idea of the "mass defect" had been around when my
    father was being taught in the 1930s.

    There are lots of materials what make for conditions conducive to
    reaction, nuclear reaction, like the lattices and so on.

    There's a lot of handwaving about that. No evicence of any nuclear
    reactions.

    https://www.nasa.gov/glenn/glenn-expertise-space-exploration/lattice-confinement-fusion/


    Optimistic twaddle.

    A usual enough idea is that "cold fusion" is like that, too,
    vis-a-vis accounts of sonoluminescence and the like.

    Generated by people who don't know what they are talking about.


    Oh, I heard they found elementary helium among the products.

    Helium diffuses through solids almost as fast a hydrogen. Finding traces
    of it isn't any kind of proof that fusion occurred.

    <snipped nonsense>

    The whole idea of the palladium electrode was that it was
    like a lattice.

    Palladium atoms are big (as atoms go) and the gaps between a regular
    array of close-packed spheres can ho;d a lot of hydrogen (or helium).

    <snipped more nonsense>L

    Yeah the idea is you just spark the tokamak then it makes
    an electromagnetic pulse and that pumps the magnet, then
    for something easy to understand, results electrical current.

    The sort of theory devised by the marketing department when they need an impressive spiel for gullible customers

    Another thing fusion reactors find involved is "Faraday rotation",
    which, you know, usual accounts of theory don't have. Before
    you say "oh that's always been known to everybody", no, it hasn't.
    A century of what resulted QED and QCD has resulted a nice little corner-case.

    Faraday discovered "Faraday rotation" about the same time that he was corresponding with Maxwell. It was well known by the time Maxwell
    formulated his famous equations, before Heaviside reformulated them into something useful.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations

    Everybody was perfectly happy to add rotational momentum to the
    properties of the photon when it mattered, which it mostly didn't.

    If you want a slightly less impractical route to nuclear fusion. why not
    go for muon-enhanced boron-hydrogen fusion.

    https://arxiv.org/html/2604.18928v1

    It's probably still going to be totally impractical.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HB11_Energy

    Is into boron-hydrogen fusion.Professor Heinrich Hora probably knows
    about the muon-enhanced option.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Hora

    He now 95 and doesn't get about much - I met him through the Royal
    Society of NSW a few years ago and he wasn't all that active back then.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Friday, May 29, 2026 13:04:18
    On 29/05/2026 5:38 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    US has had its time as world power.

    I'm not seeing that at all.

    John Larkin doesn't see much, and nothing that he doesn't want to see.

    We are still inventing things, building
    things, having babies. Europe seems to be tapering off.

    Europe is doing fine on inventing things and building things. They are
    bit further along the demographic transition than the US, which has a remarkably primitive social and political system. It wasn't all that
    advanced when they got it under their own control in 1776 and hasn't
    moved forward all that fast since them. Advanced industrial countries
    have stable populations that they can feed properly and educate well.
    Donald Trump hasn't got any interesting in having a educated electorate.

    I never expected new world-class semi fabs to be built in the US, but
    they are.

    For the US idea of "world class". The US is great at self-congratulation.

    TI and Analog Devices and Broadcom and Nvidia and Apple are here.

    TI is pretty much everywhere. Analog Devices managed to take over Linear Technology, saving them from TI. Nvidia don't make their chips, but buy
    them from fabs - presumably mostly in Taiwan. Apple don't make their own
    chips either.

    Most FPGA companies are USian.

    It keeps the US Defense Department happy. And the US congress which
    likes to see US taxpayer money spent with "US" companies.

    We are very close to a nuclear global war.

    Not as close as in the past. I expect that most of the Russian ICBMs
    don't even work any more, and they know it. All the good parts have
    been stolen.

    Seems unlikely. There's not a large market for repurposed missile
    guidance electronics.

    <snip>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:633/10 to All on Friday, May 29, 2026 06:35:24
    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    I usually download Linux distros from wherever it is in the world. >>>>>> There are many servers, some close some far away.
    Will they block those sites?
    Release specific country versions of debian?

    Do you know that some Linux distros can not be downloaded in Cuba? Or >>>>> that you can not register in the support mail lists or forums?

    No, any references?

    I know first hand.

    Is that King Kong enforced or by the Cuban government?

    No, the USA enforces it.

    US has had its time as world power.

    I'm not seeing that at all. We are still inventing things, building
    things, having babies. Europe seems to be tapering off.

    Living standard low, IQ low, homelessness high, gun violence high,
    largest deficit in the known Universe, an unreliable trade partner,
    first a demented leader (ByeThen) and now a nut-case 'wrestler' as king. Products few and shit and low quality, genocide committing religious fanatic sect in power,
    Stealing and robbing all over the world, war mongering CIA clowns deployed everywhere to
    make wars far from its bed to be able to sell weapons, collapsing infrastructure...
    the list is endless. not that empire though!



    I never expected new world-class semi fabs to be built in the US, but
    they are.

    Thank ASML


    TI and Analog Devices and Broadcom and Nvidia and Apple are here.

    Apple is just a ripoff high prices thing, Linux is better and cheaper and simpler for people with a normal IQ.


    Most FPGA companies are USian.

    We are very close to a nuclear global war.

    Not as close as in the past. I expect that most of the Russian ICBMs
    don't even work any more, and they know it. All the good parts have
    been stolen.

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating!
    US stuff very likely could not even get out of the silos.

    And even if they did they could not remember the launch code was 00000000
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/launch-code-for-us-nuclear-arsenal-was-00000000-until-1977/ar-AA1vxdKa


    Hey, save for your little boats so you can flee across the oceans and maybe get political asylum in China or Europe


    Russia's Duma had already talked about nuking Kiev.

    Exchanging nukes will likely become the new normal

    Anyways, wildlife is thriving in the Chernobyl area.

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Friday, May 29, 2026 04:42:30
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    I usually download Linux distros from wherever it is in the world. >>>>>>> There are many servers, some close some far away.
    Will they block those sites?
    Release specific country versions of debian?

    Do you know that some Linux distros can not be downloaded in Cuba? Or >>>>>> that you can not register in the support mail lists or forums?

    No, any references?

    I know first hand.

    Is that King Kong enforced or by the Cuban government?

    No, the USA enforces it.

    US has had its time as world power.

    I'm not seeing that at all. We are still inventing things, building
    things, having babies. Europe seems to be tapering off.

    Living standard low, IQ low, homelessness high, gun violence high,
    largest deficit in the known Universe, an unreliable trade partner,
    first a demented leader (ByeThen) and now a nut-case 'wrestler' as king. >Products few and shit and low quality, genocide committing religious fanatic sect in power,
    Stealing and robbing all over the world, war mongering CIA clowns deployed everywhere to
    make wars far from its bed to be able to sell weapons, collapsing infrastructure...
    the list is endless. not that empire though!



    I never expected new world-class semi fabs to be built in the US, but
    they are.

    Thank ASML

    ASML bought Cymer to acquire the tin-droplet EUV technology.

    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Friday, May 29, 2026 22:25:00
    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    I never expected new world-class semi fabs to be built in the US, but
    they are.

    Thank ASML

    ASML bought Cymer to acquire the tin-droplet EUV technology.

    It's a pretty horrible way of making hard UV, but the nut-cases at Cymer
    had got it to work. There's something to be said for having a culture
    that supports of a lot high risk venture capital investment, but when 19
    out of twenty go bust, you do have to wonder if there might not be a
    better way to nurse developing technologies.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Friday, May 29, 2026 07:25:09
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 22:25:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>> wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    I never expected new world-class semi fabs to be built in the US, but
    they are.

    Thank ASML

    ASML bought Cymer to acquire the tin-droplet EUV technology.

    It's a pretty horrible way of making hard UV, but the nut-cases at Cymer
    had got it to work. There's something to be said for having a culture
    that supports of a lot high risk venture capital investment, but when 19
    out of twenty go bust, you do have to wonder if there might not be a
    better way to nurse developing technologies.

    Phil and I made some fundamental discoveries about the tin droplet
    optics, and I designed the first-generation droplet detectors, timing electronics, and energy sensors.

    The Cymer people were wicked smart but hardly nut cases. They changed
    the world.

    Cymer already had a thriving DUV lithography laser business, which
    they still manufacture in San Diego, as a division of ASML.

    https://highlandtechnology.com/static/media/Cymer_Award.665a9149.png


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, May 30, 2026 01:28:26
    On 30/05/2026 12:25 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 22:25:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    I never expected new world-class semi fabs to be built in the US, but >>>>> they are.

    Thank ASML

    ASML bought Cymer to acquire the tin-droplet EUV technology.

    It's a pretty horrible way of making hard UV, but the nut-cases at Cymer
    had got it to work. There's something to be said for having a culture
    that supports of a lot high risk venture capital investment, but when 19
    out of twenty go bust, you do have to wonder if there might not be a
    better way to nurse developing technologies.

    Phil and I made some fundamental discoveries about the tin droplet
    optics, and I designed the first-generation droplet detectors, timing electronics, and energy sensors.

    Phil's third edition, which I got to see when he asked for volunteer proof-readers, had some interesting stuff on the tin droplet detector
    hardware - very much in line with Phil's expertise. He didn't write
    about your contributions. "Fundamental discoveries" would have been
    impressive if you'd made any. Phil's emphasis was more on getting the house-keeping right. Tin droplets don't move all that fast so the timing detectors wouldn't have been all that exciting.

    The Cymer people were wicked smart but hardly nut cases. They changed
    the world.

    Getting hard UV out of droplets of molten tin is bonkers. They would
    have had to be wickedly smart to get it to work, but more virtuous
    cleverness might have found a less hairy solution

    Cymer already had a thriving DUV lithography laser business, which
    they still manufacture in San Diego, as a division of ASML.

    Deep UV lasers are a good deal less cranky than droplets of molten tin.

    https://highlandtechnology.com/static/media/Cymer_Award.665a9149.png

    The IEEE passes out plaques like that from time to time. My late wife's
    study still has a bunch on the wall, and her principle was that her
    visitors might report this back to the donors, and make them happy.

    The archivists have told me not to dump her stuff, though they seem
    strangely reluctant to take it away to a proper archive. Being married
    to an eminent academic can make life interesting.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Friday, May 29, 2026 09:01:37
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 01:28:26 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 30/05/2026 12:25 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 22:25:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    I never expected new world-class semi fabs to be built in the US, but >>>>>> they are.

    Thank ASML

    ASML bought Cymer to acquire the tin-droplet EUV technology.

    It's a pretty horrible way of making hard UV, but the nut-cases at Cymer >>> had got it to work. There's something to be said for having a culture
    that supports of a lot high risk venture capital investment, but when 19 >>> out of twenty go bust, you do have to wonder if there might not be a
    better way to nurse developing technologies.

    Phil and I made some fundamental discoveries about the tin droplet
    optics, and I designed the first-generation droplet detectors, timing
    electronics, and energy sensors.

    Phil's third edition, which I got to see when he asked for volunteer >proof-readers, had some interesting stuff on the tin droplet detector >hardware - very much in line with Phil's expertise. He didn't write
    about your contributions. "Fundamental discoveries" would have been >impressive if you'd made any. Phil's emphasis was more on getting the >house-keeping right. Tin droplets don't move all that fast so the timing >detectors wouldn't have been all that exciting.

    Envision a shiny liquid sphere being slapped around and then tossed in
    the air in the middle of a hurricane. Shine a spotlight on it and
    snoop it with a photodiode.

    Fun.


    The Cymer people were wicked smart but hardly nut cases. They changed
    the world.

    Getting hard UV out of droplets of molten tin is bonkers. They would
    have had to be wickedly smart to get it to work, but more virtuous >cleverness might have found a less hairy solution

    Such as?

    I know people who are trying to build a gigantic synchrotron with
    multiple FEL wigglers.

    I think there could be an array of VCSEL lasers driving some nonlinear
    optical thing that triples the optical frequency. Get below 100 nm
    maybe, but cheap.

    One high-NA ASML system now costs about half a billion dollars. A
    wafer fab costs something like $30 billion.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, May 30, 2026 12:58:36
    On 30/05/2026 2:01 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 01:28:26 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 30/05/2026 12:25 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 22:25:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    Phil's third edition, which I got to see when he asked for volunteer
    proof-readers, had some interesting stuff on the tin droplet detector
    hardware - very much in line with Phil's expertise. He didn't write
    about your contributions. "Fundamental discoveries" would have been
    impressive if you'd made any. Phil's emphasis was more on getting the
    house-keeping right. Tin droplets don't move all that fast so the timing
    detectors wouldn't have been all that exciting.

    Envision a shiny liquid sphere being slapped around and then tossed in
    the air in the middle of a hurricane. Shine a spotlight on it and
    snoop it with a photodiode.

    Fun.

    It's a rather small shiny liquid sphere and a hurricane is a rather
    specific large scale atmospheric disturbance. Spotlights are steered by
    human operators. Your envisaging skills suck.

    The Cymer people were wicked smart but hardly nut cases. They changed
    the world.

    Getting hard UV out of droplets of molten tin is bonkers. They would
    have had to be wickedly smart to get it to work, but more virtuous
    cleverness might have found a less hairy solution

    Such as?

    If I had one in mind I'd try to sell it to a venture capitalist rather
    than parade it here.

    I know people who are trying to build a gigantic synchrotron with
    multiple FEL wigglers.

    There are plenty of synchrotron pius wiggler set-ups around. When my
    wife made FRS back in 2015 several of the new fellows of the UK Royal
    Society had exploited hard X-rays from such a set up to image fossils
    embedded in lumps of rock.

    I think there could be an array of VCSEL lasers driving some nonlinear optical thing that triples the optical frequency. Get below 100 nm
    maybe, but cheap.

    Finding stuff that is transparent below 100nm does seem to be difficult.

    One high-NA ASML system now costs about half a billion dollars. A
    wafer fab costs something like $30 billion.

    Doesn't surprise me. Back when I knew the number - back around 1990 - it
    was around half a billion dollars. The Cambridge Instruments electron
    beam microfabricator that it might then have used for mask-making cost
    about a million dollars.

    We sold one to the AWA semiconductor fab in Australia, and the reps came
    back and told me that my younger brother had negotiated the contract
    between AWA and Lendlease (where Jim worked at the time) to build
    building that house the entire fab.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, May 30, 2026 06:24:21
    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 22:25:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >wrote:

    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    I never expected new world-class semi fabs to be built in the US, but >>>>> they are.

    Thank ASML

    ASML bought Cymer to acquire the tin-droplet EUV technology.

    It's a pretty horrible way of making hard UV, but the nut-cases at Cymer >>had got it to work. There's something to be said for having a culture
    that supports of a lot high risk venture capital investment, but when 19 >>out of twenty go bust, you do have to wonder if there might not be a >>better way to nurse developing technologies.

    Phil and I made some fundamental discoveries about the tin droplet
    optics, and I designed the first-generation droplet detectors, timing >electronics, and energy sensors.

    The Cymer people were wicked smart but hardly nut cases. They changed
    the world.

    Cymer already had a thriving DUV lithography laser business, which
    they still manufacture in San Diego, as a division of ASML.

    https://highlandtechnology.com/static/media/Cymer_Award.665a9149.png

    Nice!
    What's that drawing in the picture?

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, May 30, 2026 07:40:38
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 06:24:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 22:25:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>wrote:

    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    I never expected new world-class semi fabs to be built in the US, but >>>>>> they are.

    Thank ASML

    ASML bought Cymer to acquire the tin-droplet EUV technology.

    It's a pretty horrible way of making hard UV, but the nut-cases at Cymer >>>had got it to work. There's something to be said for having a culture >>>that supports of a lot high risk venture capital investment, but when 19 >>>out of twenty go bust, you do have to wonder if there might not be a >>>better way to nurse developing technologies.

    Phil and I made some fundamental discoveries about the tin droplet
    optics, and I designed the first-generation droplet detectors, timing >>electronics, and energy sensors.

    The Cymer people were wicked smart but hardly nut cases. They changed
    the world.

    Cymer already had a thriving DUV lithography laser business, which
    they still manufacture in San Diego, as a division of ASML.

    https://highlandtechnology.com/static/media/Cymer_Award.665a9149.png

    Nice!
    What's that drawing in the picture?

    That's the 2-stage MOPA eximer laser that we did the timing unit for.
    The bottom tube is the laser, the master oscillator, and the upper is
    the power amplifier. The combination allows high-quality light to be
    generated at low power, and then amplified.

    It runs at 193 nm, which is apparently the shortest wavelength that
    nature allows a gas laser to do.

    Ask gogle AI about xla100 lithography



    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, May 30, 2026 15:51:14
    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 06:24:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 22:25:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>wrote:

    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    I never expected new world-class semi fabs to be built in the US, but >>>>>>> they are.

    Thank ASML

    ASML bought Cymer to acquire the tin-droplet EUV technology.

    It's a pretty horrible way of making hard UV, but the nut-cases at Cymer >>>>had got it to work. There's something to be said for having a culture >>>>that supports of a lot high risk venture capital investment, but when 19 >>>>out of twenty go bust, you do have to wonder if there might not be a >>>>better way to nurse developing technologies.

    Phil and I made some fundamental discoveries about the tin droplet >>>optics, and I designed the first-generation droplet detectors, timing >>>electronics, and energy sensors.

    The Cymer people were wicked smart but hardly nut cases. They changed
    the world.

    Cymer already had a thriving DUV lithography laser business, which
    they still manufacture in San Diego, as a division of ASML.

    https://highlandtechnology.com/static/media/Cymer_Award.665a9149.png

    Nice!
    What's that drawing in the picture?

    That's the 2-stage MOPA eximer laser that we did the timing unit for.
    The bottom tube is the laser, the master oscillator, and the upper is
    the power amplifier. The combination allows high-quality light to be >generated at low power, and then amplified.

    It runs at 193 nm, which is apparently the shortest wavelength that
    nature allows a gas laser to do.

    Ask gogle AI about xla100 lithography

    OK, got uit


    I did (this was the reply for the others):

    Overview of XLA 100 Lithography
    XLA 100 is a specific type of ArF (Argon Fluoride) dry lithography light source utilized in semiconductor manufacturing.
    It is designed to pattern critical layers on silicon wafers with high precision and reliability.

    Key Features
    High Precision:
    The XLA 100 enables the production of smaller and more complex chip designs by accurately defining features on the wafer.
    Reliability:
    This light source is known for its consistent performance, which is essential in high-volume manufacturing environments.
    Extended Module Lifetimes:
    The technology behind the XLA 100 contributes to longer operational lifetimes, reducing the need for frequent replacements.
    Applications:
    XLA 100 is primarily used in the following areas:
    Chip Design:
    It plays a crucial role in the fabrication of advanced semiconductor devices, allowing for the creation of intricate patterns necessary for modern electronics.
    Critical Layer Patterning:
    The light source is specifically effective in patterning mid-critical layers, which are essential for the functionality of integrated circuits.
    In summary, the XLA 100 is a vital component in the semiconductor manufacturing process, enabling the production of high-performance chips with intricate designs.


    Cool to have contributed to something with such a huge impact, nice award, congratulations!



    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics


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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, May 30, 2026 09:19:28
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 15:51:14 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 06:24:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 22:25:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>wrote:

    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    I never expected new world-class semi fabs to be built in the US, but >>>>>>>> they are.

    Thank ASML

    ASML bought Cymer to acquire the tin-droplet EUV technology.

    It's a pretty horrible way of making hard UV, but the nut-cases at Cymer >>>>>had got it to work. There's something to be said for having a culture >>>>>that supports of a lot high risk venture capital investment, but when 19 >>>>>out of twenty go bust, you do have to wonder if there might not be a >>>>>better way to nurse developing technologies.

    Phil and I made some fundamental discoveries about the tin droplet >>>>optics, and I designed the first-generation droplet detectors, timing >>>>electronics, and energy sensors.

    The Cymer people were wicked smart but hardly nut cases. They changed >>>>the world.

    Cymer already had a thriving DUV lithography laser business, which
    they still manufacture in San Diego, as a division of ASML.

    https://highlandtechnology.com/static/media/Cymer_Award.665a9149.png

    Nice!
    What's that drawing in the picture?

    That's the 2-stage MOPA eximer laser that we did the timing unit for.
    The bottom tube is the laser, the master oscillator, and the upper is
    the power amplifier. The combination allows high-quality light to be >>generated at low power, and then amplified.

    It runs at 193 nm, which is apparently the shortest wavelength that
    nature allows a gas laser to do.

    Ask gogle AI about xla100 lithography

    OK, got uit


    I did (this was the reply for the others):

    Overview of XLA 100 Lithography
    XLA 100 is a specific type of ArF (Argon Fluoride) dry lithography light source utilized in semiconductor manufacturing.
    It is designed to pattern critical layers on silicon wafers with high precision and reliability.

    Key Features
    High Precision:
    The XLA 100 enables the production of smaller and more complex chip designs by accurately defining features on the wafer.
    Reliability:
    This light source is known for its consistent performance, which is essential in high-volume manufacturing environments.
    Extended Module Lifetimes:
    The technology behind the XLA 100 contributes to longer operational lifetimes, reducing the need for frequent replacements.
    Applications:
    XLA 100 is primarily used in the following areas:
    Chip Design:
    It plays a crucial role in the fabrication of advanced semiconductor devices, allowing for the creation of intricate patterns necessary for modern electronics.
    Critical Layer Patterning:
    The light source is specifically effective in patterning mid-critical layers, which are essential for the functionality of integrated circuits.
    In summary, the XLA 100 is a vital component in the semiconductor manufacturing process, enabling the production of high-performance chips with intricate designs.


    Cool to have contributed to something with such a huge impact, nice award, congratulations!



    I was lucky to get involved with a bunch of optics geniuses who
    weren't very good with electronics. They had designed some really
    ghastly hairball circuits.

    It's fun when you can dabble in some important process and help with
    the electronics.

    I go to monthly startup pitch meetings (free food and beer!) and see
    that they all need electronics but are rarely any good at it. Some
    good ideas fail because of that.

    There is something weird about designing electronics. Just being a
    genius in physics or something doesn't guarantee the required feral
    instincts.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Monday, June 01, 2026 09:54:35
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 12:58:36 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 30/05/2026 2:01 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 01:28:26 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 30/05/2026 12:25 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 22:25:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    Phil's third edition, which I got to see when he asked for volunteer
    proof-readers, had some interesting stuff on the tin droplet detector
    hardware - very much in line with Phil's expertise. He didn't write
    about your contributions. "Fundamental discoveries" would have been
    impressive if you'd made any. Phil's emphasis was more on getting the
    house-keeping right. Tin droplets don't move all that fast so the timing >>> detectors wouldn't have been all that exciting.

    Envision a shiny liquid sphere being slapped around and then tossed in
    the air in the middle of a hurricane. Shine a spotlight on it and
    snoop it with a photodiode.

    Fun.

    It's a rather small shiny liquid sphere and a hurricane is a rather
    specific large scale atmospheric disturbance. Spotlights are steered by >human operators. Your envisaging skills suck.

    It must be a real drag to be so literal.

    And it absolutely squashes creativity. And humor.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 02, 2026 13:07:14
    On 2/06/2026 2:54 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 12:58:36 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 30/05/2026 2:01 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 01:28:26 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 30/05/2026 12:25 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 22:25:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:

    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    Phil's third edition, which I got to see when he asked for volunteer
    proof-readers, had some interesting stuff on the tin droplet detector
    hardware - very much in line with Phil's expertise. He didn't write
    about your contributions. "Fundamental discoveries" would have been
    impressive if you'd made any. Phil's emphasis was more on getting the
    house-keeping right. Tin droplets don't move all that fast so the timing >>>> detectors wouldn't have been all that exciting.

    Envision a shiny liquid sphere being slapped around and then tossed in
    the air in the middle of a hurricane. Shine a spotlight on it and
    snoop it with a photodiode.

    Fun.

    It's a rather small shiny liquid sphere and a hurricane is a rather
    specific large scale atmospheric disturbance. Spotlights are steered by
    human operators. Your envisaging skills suck.

    It must be a real drag to be so literal.

    It's a real drag putting up with people whose only example of fast
    moving air is a hurricane.

    And it absolutely squashes creativity. And humor.

    If you don't get the joke, you can miss the humour. And I've got my name
    on more patents than you have, so you may have the same problem with creativity.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Monday, June 01, 2026 20:58:33
    On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 13:07:14 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 2/06/2026 2:54 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 12:58:36 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 30/05/2026 2:01 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 01:28:26 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 30/05/2026 12:25 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 22:25:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    Phil's third edition, which I got to see when he asked for volunteer >>>>> proof-readers, had some interesting stuff on the tin droplet detector >>>>> hardware - very much in line with Phil's expertise. He didn't write
    about your contributions. "Fundamental discoveries" would have been
    impressive if you'd made any. Phil's emphasis was more on getting the >>>>> house-keeping right. Tin droplets don't move all that fast so the timing >>>>> detectors wouldn't have been all that exciting.

    Envision a shiny liquid sphere being slapped around and then tossed in >>>> the air in the middle of a hurricane. Shine a spotlight on it and
    snoop it with a photodiode.

    Fun.

    It's a rather small shiny liquid sphere and a hurricane is a rather
    specific large scale atmospheric disturbance. Spotlights are steered by
    human operators. Your envisaging skills suck.

    It must be a real drag to be so literal.

    It's a real drag putting up with people whose only example of fast
    moving air is a hurricane.

    I've been throgh about 6 hurricanes and only one tornado.

    I used to enjoy hurricanes. We got off school for a few days or
    sometimes weeks.


    And it absolutely squashes creativity. And humor.

    If you don't get the joke, you can miss the humour. And I've got my name
    on more patents than you have, so you may have the same problem with >creativity.

    How much have you made from the patents?


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 02, 2026 20:45:07
    On 2/06/2026 1:58 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Jun 2026 13:07:14 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 2/06/2026 2:54 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 12:58:36 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 30/05/2026 2:01 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 30 May 2026 01:28:26 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:

    On 30/05/2026 12:25 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 22:25:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 29/05/2026 9:42 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 29 May 2026 06:35:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 28 May 2026 06:33:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 14:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
    On 2026-05-27 09:22, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    I've been through about 6 hurricanes and only one tornado.

    I used to enjoy hurricanes. We got off school for a few days or
    sometimes weeks.

    You enjoyed having your neighbourhood wrecked?

    And it absolutely squashes creativity. And humor.

    If you don't get the joke, you can miss the humour. And I've got my name
    on more patents than you have, so you may have the same problem with
    creativity.

    How much have you made from the patents?

    Absolutely nothing. I did get a US dollar from Cambridge Instruments for
    US version of the rotating blanking plate patent - it's a US legal
    requirement - but they only had one US dollar bill that they kept on the premises to satisfy the rule, and I gave it back after I got it.

    I've known people who have done better, but it's rare.

    I probably got paid more because I did have the occasional creative
    insight, most of which didn't get patented, but that kind of cause and
    effect are pretty loosely related.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From Don@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, June 02, 2026 17:24:15
    <snip>

    It's a rather small shiny liquid sphere and a hurricane is a rather
    specific large scale atmospheric disturbance. Spotlights are steered by
    human operators. Your envisaging skills suck.

    A wee whizz into the wind with a stream of photons?

    Danke,

    --
    73, Don, WD7Q veritas _|_
    liberabit | https://www.qsl.net/wd7q vos |


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