• Re: Alex Lidow: Inventor of the Power MOSFET

    From Phil Hobbs@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, May 27, 2026 14:21:41
    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 May 2026 22:34:22 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    John Larkin <jl@htigct.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 May 2026 11:28:58 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
    On 5/26/26 01:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
    On 5/25/26 23:27, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
    On 5/25/26 17:45, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    John Larkin <jl@htigct.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 24 May 2026 17:04:56 -0700, John Larkin <jl@htigct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 24 May 2026 22:55:29 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    John Larkin <jl@htigct.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 24 May 2026 14:40:07 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    On 2026-05-21 13:59, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 May 2026 22:38:11 +0100, JM
    <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:

    Squeaky D. talks to Alex Lidow of EPC

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhGLJhfbdSk

    The EPC parts are great. They claimed that they would never make
    packaged (non-BGA) parts, but they are now.

    GaN ICs will be very cool.


    Dunno. There are no P-channel GaN FETs, because the hole mobility in
    III-V systems is the pits--much worse than in silicon. That's why, as
    they used to say, "GaAs is the material of the future, and always will
    be." ;)

    IIRC somebody posted some months back about a new material that had
    really amazing hole mobility.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    Yes, something like a p-channel GaN fet would be wonderful. I'm making
    half bridges with GaN fets and the high side driver is a true pain.

    There are integrated drivers but they are all slow. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>


    Simon is getting a bunch of EPC2037 and 2038 breakout boards made. I want
    to try them out as front ends and class-H series pass devices. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    I did breakouts for them, and some other EPC parts.

    I found the 2037 and 2038 to be very fragile. Touch them, and they may
    shatter or just jump off the board. I put them on a little mouse-bite
    pcb; we test them and then glop the GaN fets. If a fet fails, we can
    replace the entire little board.

    Even the glopping is tricky.

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/63n46k3ajlz02yzv6nzcn/T577s_P500D.jpg?rlkey=98osx44410u4rbqwea0jbzlj6&raw=1


    They?re super high-g_M pHEMTs with interelectrode capacitances similar to a
    CPH3910 and very low gate resistance.

    Wonderful parts.


    The noise of an ideal FET is

    e_N = sqrt ((4kT/e)*2/(3 g_M)),

    i.e. a bit below the Johnson noise of 1/g_M.

    Since g_M is huge, and the actual gate resistance is less than an ohm, the
    total is only a bit more than an ohm.

    So maybe they?re down in the 150 pV range. Or maybe not. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/89yua1fcvobcif6u33qaa/EPC_Breakouts.JPG?rlkey=osw22otjne7r5lqpcs463ku2z&raw=1

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/i8osizmo1zxrfevpzxwqo/GaN_Boards.JPG?rlkey=2pnzr1cvrg4fj0f0yq1euvmdq&raw=1



    Similar but smaller?0.3 inch square, single sided, no castellated holes. I
    really want them to be good in front ends!

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs


    4kT/e?

    Jeroen Belleman


    Ideally a FET?s noise is sqrt(2/3) times the calculated Johnson noise of
    g_M, a bit more than a BJT, which is sqrt(1/2).

    But these things are like 1A/V, and the specified gate resistance is under
    an ohm, so the spherical-cow noise is about 0.15 nV in 1 Hz.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs


    It's not the right dimension. It should be
    E_n = sqrt (4kT*2/(3 g_M)).

    Jeroen Belleman

    Right. You didn?t like my way of putting it?

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs


    I just removed the factor 1/e, which I believe shouldn't
    be there.

    Jeroen Belleman


    I?ve just got shot noise on the brain. ;)

    Cheers

    Phil o

    The gate current shot noise may be the thing that wrecks the idea.
    Unless you are amplifying the sig from a current shunt or something
    low impedance.



    Might well be. OTOH I?m expecting to work at low I_D, so maybe I?ll luck
    out.

    I want them for the thermal Faraday shield anyway.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    Here is a cute circuit:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k9w8sq2k6uorlz7ka3cq4/2N7000_Cute_1.jpg?rlkey=3nb5ingnde1rbtxu9j4uxox9t&raw=1

    Touch B to G and the LED goes on.

    G to gnd and it goes off.

    Tap D to G and it lights half-bright. It will stay that way for days.
    Easy way to test for gate leakage.

    T to G is fun too.

    G to

    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics


    I recall your posting that one long ago?it builds up from noise like an ordinary oscillator.

    Fun.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, May 27, 2026 16:27:48
    [...]>
    Here is a cute circuit:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k9w8sq2k6uorlz7ka3cq4/2N7000_Cute_1.jpg?rlkey=3nb5ingnde1rbtxu9j4uxox9t&raw=1

    Touch B to G and the LED goes on.

    G to gnd and it goes off.

    Tap D to G and it lights half-bright. It will stay that way for days.
    Easy way to test for gate leakage.

    T to G is fun too.

    G to

    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    How about this one: On/Off with the same push button. <http://cern.ch/jeroen/tmp/onoff.gif>

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, May 27, 2026 08:15:12
    On Wed, 27 May 2026 16:27:48 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    [...]>
    Here is a cute circuit:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k9w8sq2k6uorlz7ka3cq4/2N7000_Cute_1.jpg?rlkey=3nb5ingnde1rbtxu9j4uxox9t&raw=1

    Touch B to G and the LED goes on.

    G to gnd and it goes off.

    Tap D to G and it lights half-bright. It will stay that way for days.
    Easy way to test for gate leakage.

    T to G is fun too.

    G to

    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    How about this one: On/Off with the same push button. ><http://cern.ch/jeroen/tmp/onoff.gif>

    Jeroen Belleman

    Yes. Dimmer too.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Phil Hobbs@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, May 27, 2026 11:40:52
    On 2026-05-27 10:27, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    [...]>
    Here is a cute circuit:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k9w8sq2k6uorlz7ka3cq4/2N7000_Cute_1.jpg?rlkey=3nb5ingnde1rbtxu9j4uxox9t&raw=1


    Touch B to G and the LED goes on.

    G to gnd and it goes off.

    Tap D to G and it lights half-bright. It will stay that way for days.
    Easy way to test for gate leakage.

    T to G is fun too.

    G to

    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    How about this one: On/Off with the same push button. <http://cern.ch/jeroen/tmp/onoff.gif>

    Jeroen Belleman

    SPDT, cheating. ;)

    John's original one from 2007(*) just used a lowpass RC from drain to
    ground, with an SPST from the gate to the capacitor. (I found it by
    searching for "builds up from noise", a phrase I remembered from the
    original discussion.)

    The late great Vlad Vassilievsky memorialized it in ASCII art, which is
    good because the original ImageShack photo is long gone:

    ,---/\/\-----+----o LOAD o-- +V
    | |
    | |--'
    | ___ ||<-,
    +--o o---||--+
    _|_ |
    --- gnd
    |
    gnd


    Needs the button press to be not too long--if you press and hold, the
    drain goes to about +2V, depending on the device.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    (*)"push-push on/off switch" <https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.design/c/G69Z6ke2T28>




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    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
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