• another good book

    From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 27, 2026 19:10:18

    Dark Tide: The Great Boston Molasses Flood of 1919

    Really good reading. It has molasses, alcohol, fermentation, WW1,
    anarchism, the Triangle Trade, immigrants, riviting, sea captains,
    firemen, and the nasty flood itself.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Buzz McCool@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 30, 2026 08:56:46
    On 3/27/2026 7:10 PM, john larkin wrote:

    Dark Tide: The Great Boston Molasses Flood of 1919

    Slide Rule: Autobiography of an Engineer by Nevil Shute

    John, as an engineering entrepreneur yourself, this should be a good read for you.


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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 30, 2026 09:08:58
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 08:56:46 -0700, Buzz McCool
    <buzz_mccool@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On 3/27/2026 7:10 PM, john larkin wrote:

    Dark Tide: The Great Boston Molasses Flood of 1919

    Slide Rule: Autobiography of an Engineer by Nevil Shute

    John, as an engineering entrepreneur yourself, this should be a good read for you.


    OK, I'll get it.

    I read really fast so burn up books. Then I have to get rid of most of
    them.

    We have Little Libraries around here, tiny boxes for book exchange. I
    drop books into them as I walk to work.

    I'm reading

    Plutonium: A History of the World's Most Dangerous Element Paperback ?
    May 15, 2009
    by Jeremy Bernstein (Author)

    pretty cool.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Ross Finlayson@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 30, 2026 09:51:53
    On 03/30/2026 09:08 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 08:56:46 -0700, Buzz McCool
    <buzz_mccool@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On 3/27/2026 7:10 PM, john larkin wrote:

    Dark Tide: The Great Boston Molasses Flood of 1919

    Slide Rule: Autobiography of an Engineer by Nevil Shute

    John, as an engineering entrepreneur yourself, this should be a good read for you.


    OK, I'll get it.

    I read really fast so burn up books. Then I have to get rid of most of
    them.

    We have Little Libraries around here, tiny boxes for book exchange. I
    drop books into them as I walk to work.

    I'm reading

    Plutonium: A History of the World's Most Dangerous Element Paperback ?
    May 15, 2009
    by Jeremy Bernstein (Author)

    pretty cool.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics


    I have here a few print editions of "Addicts, Idiots, and Losers".

    https://addictsidiotsandlosers.com/

    https://addictsidiotsandlosers.com/magazine/volumexxv

    "I cannot remember how I became a Television-Repair-Specialist, but I
    imagine I was informed in a letter. This imaginary letter read:
    Congratulations you have been selected as the newest Television-Repair-Specialist, to work at our company, Television Repair, starting tomorrow."

    "I quickly picked up my things and got out of there."

    Sort of reminds one of "Red Meat", https://www.redmeat.com .


    This Rafiquzzaman's "Fundamentals of Digital Logic and Microprocessor
    Design, Third Edition" is pretty good.

    The "Solid State Physics" or Kittel has a lot going on.



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  • From Buzz McCool@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 30, 2026 14:01:12
    On 3/30/2026 9:08 AM, john larkin wrote:
    I read really fast so burn up books. Then I have to get rid of most of
    them.


    My city has a public library that rarely doesn't have a book I want.
    If they don't have it, they usually can request it for me from a local university.

    ...

    I'm reading

    Plutonium: A History of the World's Most Dangerous Element Paperback ?
    May 15, 2009
    by Jeremy Bernstein (Author)
    I'll put this on my reading list too.


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  • From joegwinn@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 30, 2026 17:48:27
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 14:01:12 -0700, Buzz McCool
    <buzz_mccool@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On 3/30/2026 9:08 AM, john larkin wrote:
    I read really fast so burn up books. Then I have to get rid of most of
    them.


    My city has a public library that rarely doesn't have a book I want.
    If they don't have it, they usually can request it for me from a local >university.

    ...

    I'm reading

    Plutonium: A History of the World's Most Dangerous Element Paperback ?
    May 15, 2009
    by Jeremy Bernstein (Author)
    I'll put this on my reading list too.

    Well, in the grand scheme of things, the most dangerous element is
    Oxygen. But that was a very long time ago.

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  • From someone@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 30, 2026 23:30:02
    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    --
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  • From Jeff Liebermann@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 30, 2026 21:44:21
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused
    the molasses to expand. There were other causes: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>
    "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today>
    "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm
    temperatures contributed to the disaster".

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  • From someone@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 31, 2026 17:45:01
    The wiki article, with references, says they heated the molasses. How you can make a statement with such certitude about something that happened 107 years ago and about which you know so little, is beyond rational explanation.

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  • From someone@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 31, 2026 17:45:02
    Correction: it was the Scientific American article linked in the Wiki article. And unseasonable warm typically refers to a brief daytime high of a few hours. The gazillion gallons in the tank represents the state corresponding to the long term average, which was probably very cold. Molasses has a specific gravity of about 1.5 ( I think), meaning it's going to take a while to thaw out.

    --
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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 31, 2026 11:05:10
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone ><cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused
    the molasses to expand. There were other causes: ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>
    "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today>
    "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm
    temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And
    located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 31, 2026 14:20:22
    On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:45:01 +0000, someone <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    The wiki article, with references, says they heated the molasses. How you can make a statement with such certitude about something that happened 107 years ago and about which you know so little, is beyond rational explanation.

    That's not how I read it. I read:
    "... and the previous day, a ship had delivered a fresh load of
    molasses, which had been warmed to decrease its viscosity for
    transfer".
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>

    Could I trouble to provide the location of where the Wikipedia article
    said that they had "heated the molasses"?

    --
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  • From Jeff Liebermann@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 31, 2026 14:41:59
    On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:45:02 +0000, someone <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Correction: it was the Scientific American article linked in the Wiki article.

    This one, I presume: <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/>

    Again, I don't see anything that resembles "they heated the molasses".
    A quote from the article would be helpful.

    And unseasonable warm typically refers to a brief daytime high of a few hours. The gazillion gallons in the tank represents the state corresponding to the long term average, which was probably very cold. Molasses has a specific gravity of about 1.5 ( I think), meaning it's going to take a while to thaw out.

    There's quite a bit of speculation in the above paragraph.

    It's not a gazillion. It was a total of 2.3 million U.S. gallons
    (8,700 cubic meters).

    Change in viscosity with temperature. I have no clue which type of
    molasses was involved:

    <https://www.cpesystems.com/pages/specific-gravity-and-viscosity-table-for-various-craft-products>
    Product Spec Grav Viscosity
    A. First 1.4 - 1.46 1300 - 23,500 SSU @ 100?F
    700 - 8160 SSU @ 130?F
    B. Second 1.43 - 1.48 6535 - 61,180 SSU @ 100?F
    3058 - 15294 SSU @ 130?F
    C. Blackstrap 1.46 - 1.49 12,190 - 255M @ 100?F

    I read a little more and concluded that the tank was badly designed,
    badly built, badly maintained, and in poor condition. In my never
    humble opinion, adding a load of warm molasses to the tank was
    probably fly that broke the camel's back. The rood cause was the tank
    was rusted and was probably falling apart. The tank and molasses
    temperatures were probably incidental.


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 AE6KS 831-336-2558


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  • From Theo@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, April 01, 2026 15:19:17
    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:45:01 +0000, someone <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    The wiki article, with references, says they heated the molasses. How you can make a statement with such certitude about something that happened 107 years ago and about which you know so little, is beyond rational explanation.

    That's not how I read it. I read:
    "... and the previous day, a ship had delivered a fresh load of
    molasses, which had been warmed to decrease its viscosity for
    transfer".
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>

    Could I trouble to provide the location of where the Wikipedia article
    said that they had "heated the molasses"?

    It includes an image of a contemporary newspaper, the Boston Post 16 January 1919:

    "Internal Cause was Explosion, Says State Chemist

    It became known last night that W. L. Wedger, State police chemist in charge
    of explosives, had reached the positive conclusions that the disaster
    instead of being due to a collapse of the great tank was caused by an
    internal explosion. Mr. Wedger in his investigation is understood to have
    found that the tank was fitted with heating apparatus that connected with a boiler. This heating apparatus consisted of pipes inside the tank and its purpose was to make the molasses run freely into the tank carts that trucked
    it to the Cambridge distillery of the company.

    Mr. Wedger after a careful study of the matter is reported to have reached
    the conclusion that in a great tank of molasses so heated there could be generated a mixture of air and gas that would be as explosive as the same amount of air and gasolene. That horses were blown about like chips, houses torn asunder, and the heavy section of the Elevated railroad structure
    smashed like an eggsheel are other considerations linked with the
    conclusions of Mr. Wedger. That windows in the neighborhood remained intact
    is explained by the fact that the explosive waves in such a blowup would be decidedly different in their effect on surroundings than would be the case
    if dynamite exploded.

    Thus it is understood that Mr. Wedger's formal report will be that the
    disaster was due to an internal explosion."


    But that it was capable of being heated is not evidence of it having been heated at the time. I can't seem to find a copy of Wedger's report online,
    and Wedger seems not to feature in later reports. A conclusion reached on
    the day of the incident may not hold when more evidence becomes known.

    Theo

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, April 01, 2026 07:40:38
    On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 14:41:59 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:45:02 +0000, someone ><cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Correction: it was the Scientific American article linked in the Wiki article.

    This one, I presume: ><https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/>

    Again, I don't see anything that resembles "they heated the molasses".
    A quote from the article would be helpful.

    And unseasonable warm typically refers to a brief daytime high of a few hours. The gazillion gallons in the tank represents the state corresponding to the long term average, which was probably very cold. Molasses has a specific gravity of about 1.5 ( I think), meaning it's going to take a while to thaw out.

    There's quite a bit of speculation in the above paragraph.

    It's not a gazillion. It was a total of 2.3 million U.S. gallons
    (8,700 cubic meters).

    Change in viscosity with temperature. I have no clue which type of
    molasses was involved:

    <https://www.cpesystems.com/pages/specific-gravity-and-viscosity-table-for-various-craft-products>
    Product Spec Grav Viscosity
    A. First 1.4 - 1.46 1300 - 23,500 SSU @ 100?F
    700 - 8160 SSU @ 130?F
    B. Second 1.43 - 1.48 6535 - 61,180 SSU @ 100?F
    3058 - 15294 SSU @ 130?F
    C. Blackstrap 1.46 - 1.49 12,190 - 255M @ 100?F

    I read a little more and concluded that the tank was badly designed,
    badly built, badly maintained, and in poor condition. In my never
    humble opinion, adding a load of warm molasses to the tank was
    probably fly that broke the camel's back. The rood cause was the tank
    was rusted and was probably falling apart. The tank and molasses >temperatures were probably incidental.

    Right. The tank had chronic leaks at the seams, so any overpessure,
    beyond the liquid head, is unlikely. Kids with buckets would collect
    the molasses that leaked from the poorly rivited seems. Two of those
    kids died in the flood.

    No engineer or city inspector ever reviewed the design or
    construction. The steel didn't meet specs.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, April 01, 2026 09:36:33
    On 01 Apr 2026 15:19:17 +0100 (BST), Theo
    <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    "Internal Cause was Explosion, Says State Chemist

    It became known last night that W. L. Wedger, State police chemist in charge >of explosives, had reached the positive conclusions that the disaster
    instead of being due to a collapse of the great tank was caused by an >internal explosion.

    I'm suspicious. Someone knowledgeable in explosives would know that
    the incident was a deflagration and not an explosion: <https://www.nfpa.org/news-blogs-and-articles/blogs/2023/03/27/explosions-vs-deflagrations-vs-detonations>
    I can understand the press using the term "explosion" instead of
    "deflagration" so as to not confuse the public. However, an "expert"
    should have been more specific.

    <https://www.boston.gov/news/100-years-ago-today-molasses-crashes-through-bostons-north-end>
    "On January 15, 1919, a combination of the tank's shoddy construction,
    a sudden temperature change, and a large new shipment of molasses
    resulted in a rupture of the tank's walls."

    In my never humble opinion, that various descriptions of the damage
    appears to have been caused by the weight of 2.3 million gallons of
    molasses and not from an air pressure differential (explosion).

    Also, there was little mention of noise from an explosion beyond:
    "At about 1 p.m., they heard a low rumble. At first, many assumed it
    was a Boston Elevated train approaching."
    Explosions don't "rumble".

    Also, 35mph is not faster than sound:
    "The wave of molasses rushed through the North End at about 35 miles
    per hour."

    I'll dig deeper when I have time.

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    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
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  • From Jeff Liebermann@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 17:37:10
    On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 18:44:54 -0000 (UTC), antispam@fricas.org (Waldek
    Hebisch) wrote:

    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:45:01 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    The wiki article, with references, says they heated the molasses. How you can make a statement with such certitude about something that happened 107 years ago and about which you know so little, is beyond rational explanation.

    That's not how I read it. I read:
    "... and the previous day, a ship had delivered a fresh load of
    molasses, which had been warmed to decrease its viscosity for
    transfer".
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>

    Could I trouble to provide the location of where the Wikipedia article
    said that they had "heated the molasses"?

    Hmm, do you think there is essential difference between "had been warmed" >(present in the text you cite) and "heated"?

    According to various online dictionaries, "warmed" and "heated" the
    same:

    <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/heated>
    "made hot or warm"

    <https://www.dictionary.com/browse/heated>
    "made hot or hotter; warmed"

    More of the same:
    <https://www.wordreference.com/definition/heated>

    I use "warmed" to mean anything between ambient temperature and where
    the object becomes too hot to handle. The term "heated" can be any
    temperature above ambient temperature. (Anything below ambient would
    be "cooled").

    ChatBPT
    "temperature molasses pours easily" <https://chatgpt.com/c/69d44d89-e6b8-832e-b185-71855311acaf>
    Below ~50 ?F (10 ?C):
    Very thick, slow, almost like tar
    Around 70 ?F (21 ?C, room temp):
    Still thick but pourable with patience
    90-110 ?F (32-43 ?C):
    Flows easily, smooth pour
    Above ~120 ?F (49 ?C):
    Quite thin, pours almost like syrup

    Looks like about 100F (37.8C) is a tolerable estimate. You can
    probably survive putting your fingers in 100F molasses. Therefore,
    the Boston molasses had probably been "warmed" and not "heated".

    Back to rebuilding my 1960's Delta kitchen faucet. The brass is in
    good condition, but the rubber parts are all crumbling and everything
    is encrusted with lime deposits (hard water). Two trips to the
    hardware store today. Probably one more tomorrow. I hate plumbing.



    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 AE6KS 831-336-2558


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  • From bitrex@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, April 09, 2026 23:50:50
    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/ >>
    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused
    the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>
    "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 øF (-17 to 5.0 øC)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today>
    "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm
    temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And
    located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and East
    Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw goods (and molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in
    Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were major industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian
    restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food, compared to
    my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker
    terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import
    facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still served
    by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics warehouse.

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Friday, April 10, 2026 02:27:15
    On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:50:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/ >>>
    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused
    the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>
    "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today>
    "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm
    temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And
    located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and East >Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw goods (and >molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in
    Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were major >industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end >residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian >restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food, compared to
    my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker
    terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import
    facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still served
    by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics warehouse.


    There are some good books about rum, like

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F91CZYWB

    and the role that Boston played in the Triangle Trade.

    Try a tablespoon of good rum on a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream. Or
    Bananas Foster.



    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From joegwinn@3:633/10 to All on Friday, April 10, 2026 11:06:22
    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 02:27:15 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:50:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused >>>> the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>
    "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today>
    "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm
    temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And
    located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and East >>Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw goods (and >>molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in
    Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were major >>industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end >>residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian >>restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food, compared to
    my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker >>terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import >>facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still served
    by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics warehouse.


    There are some good books about rum, like

    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F91CZYWB>

    and the role that Boston played in the Triangle Trade.

    Try a tablespoon of good rum on a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream. Or
    Bananas Foster.

    Hmm. I already have the rum and the vanilla bean ice cream.
    Hmmmmmmmm.

    Joe

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Friday, April 10, 2026 10:58:17
    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 11:06:22 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 02:27:15 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:50:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused >>>>> the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>
    "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today>
    "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm
    temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And
    located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and East >>>Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw goods (and >>>molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in >>>Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were major >>>industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end >>>residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian >>>restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food, compared to >>>my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker >>>terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import >>>facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still served >>>by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics warehouse. >>

    There are some good books about rum, like

    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F91CZYWB>

    and the role that Boston played in the Triangle Trade.

    Try a tablespoon of good rum on a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream. Or >>Bananas Foster.

    Hmm. I already have the rum and the vanilla bean ice cream.
    Hmmmmmmmm.

    Joe

    Tell us what you think. It seems impossible to me, but some people
    don't like rum.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Phil Hobbs@3:633/10 to All on Friday, April 10, 2026 19:38:27
    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 11:06:22 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 02:27:15 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:50:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite
    unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused >>>>>> the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>
    "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 øF (-17 to 5.0 øC)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today>
    "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm
    temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And >>>>> located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and East
    Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw goods (and >>>> molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in
    Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were major >>>> industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end
    residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian
    restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food, compared to >>>> my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker
    terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import
    facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still served >>>> by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics warehouse.


    There are some good books about rum, like

    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F91CZYWB>

    and the role that Boston played in the Triangle Trade.

    Try a tablespoon of good rum on a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream. Or
    Bananas Foster.

    Hmm. I already have the rum and the vanilla bean ice cream.
    Hmmmmmmmm.

    Joe

    Tell us what you think. It seems impossible to me, but some people
    don't like rum.


    That?s actual rum, like >12 year Demerara.

    All reasonable people know not to drink Bacardi. It?s good for deer
    repellent, I?m told.

    Cheers

    Phil ?Inverroche Verdant gin, please? Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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  • From joegwinn@3:633/10 to All on Friday, April 10, 2026 16:27:19
    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 10:58:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 11:06:22 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 02:27:15 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:50:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused >>>>>> the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>
    "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today>
    "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm
    temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And >>>>> located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and East >>>>Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw goods (and >>>>molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in >>>>Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were major >>>>industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end >>>>residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian >>>>restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food, compared to >>>>my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker >>>>terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import >>>>facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still served >>>>by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics warehouse. >>>

    There are some good books about rum, like

    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F91CZYWB>

    and the role that Boston played in the Triangle Trade.

    Try a tablespoon of good rum on a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream. Or >>>Bananas Foster.

    Hmm. I already have the rum and the vanilla bean ice cream.
    Hmmmmmmmm.

    Joe

    Tell us what you think. It seems impossible to me, but some people
    don't like rum.

    I do like rum.

    I used some from an old bottle of Myer's Original Dark Rum. (I used
    to have some Capt Morgan, but it was used up. I still have Mount Gay.
    I don't drink these as fast as I did in the day.)

    So, I cut up a nice ripe banana into a bowl, put some scoops of
    Vanilla Bean Ice Cream on top, followed by a shot of rum. Stirred and
    eaten slowly.

    Very Good

    Joe


    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Friday, April 10, 2026 15:47:12
    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 16:27:19 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 10:58:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 11:06:22 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 02:27:15 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:50:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused >>>>>>> the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>
    "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today>
    "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm
    temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And >>>>>> located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and East >>>>>Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw goods (and >>>>>molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in >>>>>Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were major >>>>>industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end >>>>>residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian >>>>>restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food, compared to >>>>>my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker >>>>>terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import >>>>>facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still served >>>>>by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics warehouse.


    There are some good books about rum, like

    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F91CZYWB>

    and the role that Boston played in the Triangle Trade.

    Try a tablespoon of good rum on a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream. Or >>>>Bananas Foster.

    Hmm. I already have the rum and the vanilla bean ice cream.
    Hmmmmmmmm.

    Joe

    Tell us what you think. It seems impossible to me, but some people
    don't like rum.

    I do like rum.

    I used some from an old bottle of Myer's Original Dark Rum. (I used
    to have some Capt Morgan, but it was used up. I still have Mount Gay.
    I don't drink these as fast as I did in the day.)

    So, I cut up a nice ripe banana into a bowl, put some scoops of
    Vanilla Bean Ice Cream on top, followed by a shot of rum. Stirred and
    eaten slowly.

    Very Good

    Joe


    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    Find a Bananas Foster recipe. It's a classic dinner dessert or brunch
    treat in New Orleans.

    Cooked bananas have a different flavor. The hot
    banana-cream-cinnamon-rum sauce is the best part.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From joegwinn@3:633/10 to All on Friday, April 10, 2026 18:52:14
    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 15:47:12 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 16:27:19 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 10:58:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 11:06:22 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 02:27:15 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:50:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused >>>>>>>> the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>
    "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today> >>>>>>>> "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm >>>>>>>> temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And >>>>>>> located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and East >>>>>>Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw goods (and >>>>>>molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in >>>>>>Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were major >>>>>>industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end >>>>>>residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian >>>>>>restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food, compared to >>>>>>my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker >>>>>>terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import >>>>>>facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still served >>>>>>by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics warehouse.


    There are some good books about rum, like

    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F91CZYWB>

    and the role that Boston played in the Triangle Trade.

    Try a tablespoon of good rum on a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream. Or >>>>>Bananas Foster.

    Hmm. I already have the rum and the vanilla bean ice cream.
    Hmmmmmmmm.

    Joe

    Tell us what you think. It seems impossible to me, but some people
    don't like rum.

    I do like rum.

    I used some from an old bottle of Myer's Original Dark Rum. (I used
    to have some Capt Morgan, but it was used up. I still have Mount Gay.
    I don't drink these as fast as I did in the day.)

    So, I cut up a nice ripe banana into a bowl, put some scoops of
    Vanilla Bean Ice Cream on top, followed by a shot of rum. Stirred and >>eaten slowly.

    Very Good

    Joe


    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    Find a Bananas Foster recipe. It's a classic dinner dessert or brunch
    treat in New Orleans.

    I did look at that, and it seemed over the top for SWMBO, but I'll
    tempt her. Maybe for a party.


    Cooked bananas have a different flavor. The hot
    banana-cream-cinnamon-rum sauce is the best part.

    Yes.

    Joe


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  • From Ross Finlayson@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, April 11, 2026 01:20:44
    On 04/10/2026 03:52 PM, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 15:47:12 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 16:27:19 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 10:58:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 11:06:22 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 02:27:15 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:50:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused
    the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>
    "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today> >>>>>>>>> "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm >>>>>>>>> temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And >>>>>>>> located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and East >>>>>>> Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw goods (and
    molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in
    Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were major >>>>>>> industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end
    residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian >>>>>>> restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food, compared to >>>>>>> my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker >>>>>>> terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import >>>>>>> facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still served >>>>>>> by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics warehouse.


    There are some good books about rum, like

    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F91CZYWB>

    and the role that Boston played in the Triangle Trade.

    Try a tablespoon of good rum on a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream. Or >>>>>> Bananas Foster.

    Hmm. I already have the rum and the vanilla bean ice cream.
    Hmmmmmmmm.

    Joe

    Tell us what you think. It seems impossible to me, but some people
    don't like rum.

    I do like rum.

    I used some from an old bottle of Myer's Original Dark Rum. (I used
    to have some Capt Morgan, but it was used up. I still have Mount Gay.
    I don't drink these as fast as I did in the day.)

    So, I cut up a nice ripe banana into a bowl, put some scoops of
    Vanilla Bean Ice Cream on top, followed by a shot of rum. Stirred and
    eaten slowly.

    Very Good

    Joe


    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    Find a Bananas Foster recipe. It's a classic dinner dessert or brunch
    treat in New Orleans.

    I did look at that, and it seemed over the top for SWMBO, but I'll
    tempt her. Maybe for a party.


    Cooked bananas have a different flavor. The hot
    banana-cream-cinnamon-rum sauce is the best part.

    Yes.

    Joe


    Cherries Jubilee, then for something like "Pears Cointreau".

    Pie filling and ice cream, ....

    Nilla wafer nana pudding?


    Never tried Jaeger on ice cream, or, Sambuca or Cumbia, ...,
    they're good cold, though.

    Rum like anything else is for avoiding adulterants.



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  • From Ross Finlayson@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, April 11, 2026 01:33:16
    On 04/11/2026 01:20 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 04/10/2026 03:52 PM, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 15:47:12 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 16:27:19 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 10:58:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 11:06:22 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 02:27:15 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:50:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
    <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to
    expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow >>>>>>>>>>> faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/


    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot
    which caused
    the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes> >>>>>>>>>> "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today> >>>>>>>>>> "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm >>>>>>>>>> temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for
    design. And
    located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and >>>>>>>> East
    Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw
    goods (and
    molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in
    Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were >>>>>>>> major
    industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end >>>>>>>> residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian >>>>>>>> restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food,
    compared to
    my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker >>>>>>>> terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import >>>>>>>> facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still >>>>>>>> served
    by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics >>>>>>>> warehouse.


    There are some good books about rum, like

    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F91CZYWB>

    and the role that Boston played in the Triangle Trade.

    Try a tablespoon of good rum on a scoop of vanilla bean ice
    cream. Or
    Bananas Foster.

    Hmm. I already have the rum and the vanilla bean ice cream.
    Hmmmmmmmm.

    Joe

    Tell us what you think. It seems impossible to me, but some people
    don't like rum.

    I do like rum.

    I used some from an old bottle of Myer's Original Dark Rum. (I used
    to have some Capt Morgan, but it was used up. I still have Mount Gay. >>>> I don't drink these as fast as I did in the day.)

    So, I cut up a nice ripe banana into a bowl, put some scoops of
    Vanilla Bean Ice Cream on top, followed by a shot of rum. Stirred and >>>> eaten slowly.

    Very Good

    Joe


    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    Find a Bananas Foster recipe. It's a classic dinner dessert or brunch
    treat in New Orleans.

    I did look at that, and it seemed over the top for SWMBO, but I'll
    tempt her. Maybe for a party.


    Cooked bananas have a different flavor. The hot
    banana-cream-cinnamon-rum sauce is the best part.

    Yes.

    Joe


    Cherries Jubilee, then for something like "Pears Cointreau".

    Pie filling and ice cream, ....

    Nilla wafer nana pudding?


    Never tried Jaeger on ice cream, or, Sambuca or Cumbia, ...,
    they're good cold, though.

    Rum like anything else is for avoiding adulterants.



    Sambuca or Cumbia, ..., that's Ouzo for you.
    (Anisette, "licorice flavor".)

    Pretty much every heritage has its own "water of life",
    which is usually an alcoholic spirit.

    Some alcoholics, or "alcoholists", develop "tolerance",
    others do not. It's often best avoided, or sometimes, voided.
    (Purgatives.)

    There are many, many kinds of tequila. (Most "to kill ya".)
    Sometimes, "for what ails you". The traditional idea of
    "the bar" as the five bottles or variously the seven bottles
    is that there are medicinal uses for alcohol, then that the
    five bottles are the usual accoutrement to concoct the
    various sorts of folk remedies, since conditions and reactions
    to alcohol are wide, varied, and personal.

    Here is for usually enough something with quinine and bitters
    and some aromatic spirits, not overdoing it and where sometimes
    the "premium" or "best value" is better than the "top shelf".

    "The Omnibibulous Mr. Mencken", who was a drunk, is a book.



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  • From joegwinn@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, April 11, 2026 10:11:25
    Follow-up item at bottom.

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 18:52:14 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 15:47:12 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 16:27:19 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 10:58:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 11:06:22 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 02:27:15 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:50:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused
    the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes>
    "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today> >>>>>>>>> "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm >>>>>>>>> temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And >>>>>>>> located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and East >>>>>>>Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw goods (and
    molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in >>>>>>>Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were major >>>>>>>industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end >>>>>>>residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian >>>>>>>restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food, compared to >>>>>>>my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker >>>>>>>terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import >>>>>>>facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still served >>>>>>>by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics warehouse.


    There are some good books about rum, like

    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F91CZYWB>

    and the role that Boston played in the Triangle Trade.

    Try a tablespoon of good rum on a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream. Or >>>>>>Bananas Foster.

    Hmm. I already have the rum and the vanilla bean ice cream. >>>>>Hmmmmmmmm.

    Joe

    Tell us what you think. It seems impossible to me, but some people >>>>don't like rum.

    I do like rum.

    I used some from an old bottle of Myer's Original Dark Rum. (I used
    to have some Capt Morgan, but it was used up. I still have Mount Gay.
    I don't drink these as fast as I did in the day.)

    So, I cut up a nice ripe banana into a bowl, put some scoops of
    Vanilla Bean Ice Cream on top, followed by a shot of rum. Stirred and >>>eaten slowly.

    Very Good

    Joe


    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    Find a Bananas Foster recipe. It's a classic dinner dessert or brunch
    treat in New Orleans.

    I did look at that, and it seemed over the top for SWMBO, but I'll
    tempt her. Maybe for a party.

    Turns out that SWMBO had Bananas Foster at a business conference held
    in a major hotel in New Orleans. She liked it a lot, commenting that
    it was not too sweet, which she likes. This was well before we met,
    but we agree on the too-sweet issue.

    So we may make it someday. Or just buy it, if someone local is making
    a not-too-sweet version in the Boston metro area.

    Joe

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, April 11, 2026 10:00:13
    On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 10:11:25 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    Follow-up item at bottom.

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 18:52:14 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 15:47:12 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 16:27:19 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 10:58:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 11:06:22 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 02:27:15 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:50:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused
    the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes> >>>>>>>>>> "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today> >>>>>>>>>> "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm >>>>>>>>>> temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And >>>>>>>>> located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and East >>>>>>>>Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw goods (and
    molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in >>>>>>>>Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were major >>>>>>>>industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end >>>>>>>>residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian >>>>>>>>restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food, compared to
    my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker >>>>>>>>terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import >>>>>>>>facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still served
    by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics warehouse.


    There are some good books about rum, like

    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F91CZYWB>

    and the role that Boston played in the Triangle Trade.

    Try a tablespoon of good rum on a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream. Or >>>>>>>Bananas Foster.

    Hmm. I already have the rum and the vanilla bean ice cream. >>>>>>Hmmmmmmmm.

    Joe

    Tell us what you think. It seems impossible to me, but some people >>>>>don't like rum.

    I do like rum.

    I used some from an old bottle of Myer's Original Dark Rum. (I used
    to have some Capt Morgan, but it was used up. I still have Mount Gay. >>>>I don't drink these as fast as I did in the day.)

    So, I cut up a nice ripe banana into a bowl, put some scoops of
    Vanilla Bean Ice Cream on top, followed by a shot of rum. Stirred and >>>>eaten slowly.

    Very Good

    Joe


    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    Find a Bananas Foster recipe. It's a classic dinner dessert or brunch >>>treat in New Orleans.

    I did look at that, and it seemed over the top for SWMBO, but I'll
    tempt her. Maybe for a party.

    Turns out that SWMBO had Bananas Foster at a business conference held
    in a major hotel in New Orleans. She liked it a lot, commenting that
    it was not too sweet, which she likes. This was well before we met,
    but we agree on the too-sweet issue.

    So we may make it someday. Or just buy it, if someone local is making
    a not-too-sweet version in the Boston metro area.

    Joe

    "Too sweet?" What does that mean?

    BF starts by carmelizing brown sugar and butter, and that gets dumped
    onto vanilla ice cream. Some sweetness is unavoidable.

    People come with very different calibrations.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From joegwinn@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, April 11, 2026 18:20:23
    On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 10:00:13 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 10:11:25 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    Follow-up item at bottom.

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 18:52:14 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 15:47:12 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 16:27:19 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 10:58:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 11:06:22 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 02:27:15 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>>wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:50:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
    On 3/31/2026 2:05 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:44:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:30:02 +0000, someone
    <cffbf4deb9142bce48974efc0e64dede@example.com> wrote:

    Another disaster caused by a transport ship looking to expedite unloading. They heated the molasses to make it flow faster into the tank.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/molasses-flood-physics-science/

    "They" didn't heat the molasses. It was unseasonably hot which caused
    the molasses to expand. There were other causes:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Causes> >>>>>>>>>>> "...air temperature rose from 2 to 41 ?F (-17 to 5.0 ?C)" >>>>>>>>>>>
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood#Area_today> >>>>>>>>>>> "Structural defects in the tank combined with unseasonably warm >>>>>>>>>>> temperatures contributed to the disaster".

    The tank was built cheap and fast and never reviewed for design. And >>>>>>>>>> located in a very bad place.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    All of the waterfront of the North End, Charleston/Everett, and East >>>>>>>>>Cambridge were heavily industrialized in the early 1900s. Raw goods (and
    molassess apparently) in the NE, petroleum products in >>>>>>>>>Charleston/Everett, and coal gasification in East Cambridge were major
    industries.

    Nowadays the historically Italian North End is mostly high-end >>>>>>>>>residential/tourist trap area, with a shrinking number of Italian >>>>>>>>>restaurants that tend to serve rather average Italian food, compared to
    my childhood recollections.

    Only main legacy of the industrial history is the large LNG tanker >>>>>>>>>terminal in Everett, longest-operating liquefied natural gas import >>>>>>>>>facility in the U.S. Remarkably there is only one industry still served
    by freight rail inside the Boston city limits, an ABEX logistics warehouse.


    There are some good books about rum, like

    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F91CZYWB>

    and the role that Boston played in the Triangle Trade.

    Try a tablespoon of good rum on a scoop of vanilla bean ice cream. Or >>>>>>>>Bananas Foster.

    Hmm. I already have the rum and the vanilla bean ice cream. >>>>>>>Hmmmmmmmm.

    Joe

    Tell us what you think. It seems impossible to me, but some people >>>>>>don't like rum.

    I do like rum.

    I used some from an old bottle of Myer's Original Dark Rum. (I used >>>>>to have some Capt Morgan, but it was used up. I still have Mount Gay. >>>>>I don't drink these as fast as I did in the day.)

    So, I cut up a nice ripe banana into a bowl, put some scoops of >>>>>Vanilla Bean Ice Cream on top, followed by a shot of rum. Stirred and >>>>>eaten slowly.

    Very Good

    Joe


    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    Find a Bananas Foster recipe. It's a classic dinner dessert or brunch >>>>treat in New Orleans.

    I did look at that, and it seemed over the top for SWMBO, but I'll
    tempt her. Maybe for a party.

    Turns out that SWMBO had Bananas Foster at a business conference held
    in a major hotel in New Orleans. She liked it a lot, commenting that
    it was not too sweet, which she likes. This was well before we met,
    but we agree on the too-sweet issue.

    So we may make it someday. Or just buy it, if someone local is making
    a not-too-sweet version in the Boston metro area.

    Joe

    "Too sweet?" What does that mean?

    BF starts by carmelizing brown sugar and butter, and that gets dumped
    onto vanilla ice cream. Some sweetness is unavoidable.

    People come with very different calibrations.

    Yes. And younger people like sweeter foods. What changes over time
    is the desired ratio of sugar (glucose, sucrose, and fructose) to lard
    or tallow or butter. (Things like Palm Kernel Oil are substitutes for
    lard and tallow.)

    Joe

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, April 11, 2026 19:40:19
    On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 18:20:23 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    Yes. And younger people like sweeter foods. What changes over time
    is the desired ratio of sugar (glucose, sucrose, and fructose) to lard
    or tallow or butter. (Things like Palm Kernel Oil are substitutes for
    lard and tallow.)

    Please add lactose to the list. Lactose is a disaccharide composed of galactose and glucose. Anything that ends in -ose is likely to be a
    sugar:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-ose>

    I'm 78 years old. It's quite possible to develop lactose intolerance
    as we get older: <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/lactose-intolerance/symptoms-causes/syc-20374232>
    "Increasing age. Lactose intolerance usually appears in adulthood".

    About one year ago, I began experiencing gas, farting, diarrhea, and
    pain in the lower intestine area. The symptoms became progressively
    worse with time and with the amount and frequency of eating food made
    from ingredients containing milk. After a few weeks of volcanic
    misery in the bathroom, I isolated the potential culprits to ice
    cream, cream cheese (on lox and bagel), peanut M&M's, milk chocolate,
    and possibly Nutella hazelnut spread.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 AE6KS 831-336-2558


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, April 11, 2026 21:07:52
    On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 19:40:19 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 18:20:23 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    Yes. And younger people like sweeter foods. What changes over time
    is the desired ratio of sugar (glucose, sucrose, and fructose) to lard
    or tallow or butter. (Things like Palm Kernel Oil are substitutes for
    lard and tallow.)

    Please add lactose to the list. Lactose is a disaccharide composed of >galactose and glucose. Anything that ends in -ose is likely to be a
    sugar:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-ose>

    I'm 78 years old. It's quite possible to develop lactose intolerance
    as we get older: ><https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/lactose-intolerance/symptoms-causes/syc-20374232>
    "Increasing age. Lactose intolerance usually appears in adulthood".

    About one year ago, I began experiencing gas, farting, diarrhea, and
    pain in the lower intestine area. The symptoms became progressively
    worse with time and with the amount and frequency of eating food made
    from ingredients containing milk. After a few weeks of volcanic
    misery in the bathroom, I isolated the potential culprits to ice
    cream, cream cheese (on lox and bagel), peanut M&M's, milk chocolate,
    and possibly Nutella hazelnut spread.

    Lactase pills are great with a big bowl of ice cream or cookies and
    milk.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Ross Finlayson@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, April 12, 2026 00:07:08
    On 04/11/2026 09:07 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 19:40:19 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 18:20:23 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    Yes. And younger people like sweeter foods. What changes over time
    is the desired ratio of sugar (glucose, sucrose, and fructose) to lard
    or tallow or butter. (Things like Palm Kernel Oil are substitutes for
    lard and tallow.)

    Please add lactose to the list. Lactose is a disaccharide composed of
    galactose and glucose. Anything that ends in -ose is likely to be a
    sugar:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-ose>

    I'm 78 years old. It's quite possible to develop lactose intolerance
    as we get older:
    <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/lactose-intolerance/symptoms-causes/syc-20374232>
    "Increasing age. Lactose intolerance usually appears in adulthood".

    About one year ago, I began experiencing gas, farting, diarrhea, and
    pain in the lower intestine area. The symptoms became progressively
    worse with time and with the amount and frequency of eating food made
    from ingredients containing milk. After a few weeks of volcanic
    misery in the bathroom, I isolated the potential culprits to ice
    cream, cream cheese (on lox and bagel), peanut M&M's, milk chocolate,
    and possibly Nutella hazelnut spread.

    Lactase pills are great with a big bowl of ice cream or cookies and
    milk.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics


    Milk and garlic are good sources of glutathiones,
    which are potent agents helping bodies effect
    remission of cancerous conditions caused by
    inflammation and immunoresponse.



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  • From joegwinn@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, April 12, 2026 10:00:04
    On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 21:07:52 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 19:40:19 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 18:20:23 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:

    Yes. And younger people like sweeter foods. What changes over time
    is the desired ratio of sugar (glucose, sucrose, and fructose) to lard
    or tallow or butter. (Things like Palm Kernel Oil are substitutes for >>>lard and tallow.)

    Please add lactose to the list. Lactose is a disaccharide composed of >>galactose and glucose. Anything that ends in -ose is likely to be a
    sugar:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-ose>

    I'm 78 years old. It's quite possible to develop lactose intolerance
    as we get older: >><https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/lactose-intolerance/symptoms-causes/syc-20374232>
    "Increasing age. Lactose intolerance usually appears in adulthood".

    About one year ago, I began experiencing gas, farting, diarrhea, and
    pain in the lower intestine area. The symptoms became progressively
    worse with time and with the amount and frequency of eating food made
    from ingredients containing milk. After a few weeks of volcanic
    misery in the bathroom, I isolated the potential culprits to ice
    cream, cream cheese (on lox and bagel), peanut M&M's, milk chocolate,
    and possibly Nutella hazelnut spread.

    I became somewhat lactose intolerant when I was about 30 and lived in Baltimore, and had problems that I eventually traced to the regular
    milk in my breakfast cereal (Shredded Wheat), when I realized that the
    problem vanished while I was home in the Boston area for XMAS, and had
    toast in the morning instead.

    Lactase pills are great with a big bowl of ice cream or cookies and
    milk.

    I never had problems with ice cream that is in fact made of cream, not
    milk.

    Joe

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, April 12, 2026 11:04:29
    On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 17:45:57 -0000 (UTC), Niocl?s P?l Caile?n de
    Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote:

    Joe Gwinn wrote:
    |-----------------------------------------------------|
    |"[. . .] ice cream that is in fact made of cream, not|
    |milk." | >|-----------------------------------------------------|

    I believe that cream is made of milk.
    (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

    You're both wrong:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream>
    "Ice cream is a frozen dessert typically made from milk or cream that
    has been flavoured with a sweetener, either sugar or an alternative,
    and a spice, such as cocoa or vanilla, or with fruit, such as
    strawberries or peaches."

    So it is written. So it must be.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 AE6KS 831-336-2558


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  • From joegwinn@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, April 12, 2026 15:54:40
    On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 11:04:29 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 17:45:57 -0000 (UTC), Niocl?s P?l Caile?n de
    Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote:

    Joe Gwinn wrote:
    |-----------------------------------------------------|
    |"[. . .] ice cream that is in fact made of cream, not|
    |milk." | >>|-----------------------------------------------------|

    I believe that cream is made of milk.
    (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

    You're both wrong:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream>
    "Ice cream is a frozen dessert typically made from milk or cream that
    has been flavoured with a sweetener, either sugar or an alternative,
    and a spice, such as cocoa or vanilla, or with fruit, such as
    strawberries or peaches."

    So it is written. So it must be.

    My counterexample is H?agen-Dazs Vanilla Bean Ice Cream.

    Joe

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, April 12, 2026 14:53:45
    On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 11:04:29 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 17:45:57 -0000 (UTC), Niocl?s P?l Caile?n de
    Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote:

    Joe Gwinn wrote:
    |-----------------------------------------------------|
    |"[. . .] ice cream that is in fact made of cream, not|
    |milk." | >>|-----------------------------------------------------|

    I believe that cream is made of milk.
    (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

    You're both wrong:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream>
    "Ice cream is a frozen dessert typically made from milk or cream that
    has been flavoured with a sweetener, either sugar or an alternative,
    and a spice, such as cocoa or vanilla, or with fruit, such as
    strawberries or peaches."

    So it is written. So it must be.

    Ice Cream and Ice Milk are legally different here.

    Ice cream must contain at least 10% dairy milkfat and no more than
    100% fluff, air added.

    Ice Milk can be labeled as "low-fat" or "light" ice cream.

    Gelato usually doesn't qualify as ice cream.

    I suppose there are frozen things with palm or soybean oil or used
    motor oil.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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