• US Open 2026: Sasha Zverev is the champion!

    From Kalevi Kolttonen@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 21:59:27
    Hello!

    I just watched Sasha Zverev beat Ben Shelton in
    a US Open final that was pretty exciting and the
    quality was all right. We saw some amazing serving
    from both men.

    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him, his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    Hahah!

    br,
    KK

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 22:14:50
    Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:
    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him, his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I forgot to mention it was pretty hilarious that
    Sasha did not realize he was serving the match
    at 5-2. He just won his service game and turned
    away, ready to keep on playing. Then it dawned
    on him that the match was over!

    br,
    KK

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  • From Sawfish@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 15:53:56
    On 9/13/26 3:14 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:
    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him, his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I forgot to mention it was pretty hilarious that
    Sasha did not realize he was serving the match
    at 5-2. He just won his service game and turned
    away, ready to keep on playing. Then it dawned
    on him that the match was over!

    I saw it and sorta chuckled.

    But then I remembered something Connors said back when he was playing
    when asked how he seemed to be able to ignore pressure and he said,
    basically, that he did not think beyond the point he was playing,
    isolating him from worrying about being behind, or tending to back off
    because he was ahead.

    ...and I wondered if that was going on with Zverev today.


    br,
    KK


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  • From Scall5@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 22:18:58
    On 9/13/2026 5:53 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/13/26 3:14 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:
    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him, his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I forgot to mention it was pretty hilarious that
    Sasha did not realize he was serving the match
    at 5-2. He just won his service game and turned
    away, ready to keep on playing. Then it dawned
    on him that the match was over!

    I saw it and sorta chuckled.

    But then I remembered something Connors said back when he was playing
    when asked how he seemed to be able to ignore pressure and he said, basically, that he did not think beyond the point he was playing,
    isolating him from worrying about being behind, or tending to back off because he was ahead.

    ...and I wondered if that was going on with Zverev today.
    Ironically to your statement, perhaps, it was Connors himself who handed Zverev the trophy.

    That mindset was amazing, you *know* how hostile the new York crowd was
    to Zverev away from the cameras.
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  • From Scall5@3:633/10 to All on Monday, September 14, 2026 19:26:12
    On 9/14/2026 3:00 AM, Pelle Svansl”s wrote:
    On 14.9.2026 0.59, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Hello!

    I just watched Sasha Zverev beat Ben Shelton in
    a US Open final that was pretty exciting and the
    quality was all right. We saw some amazing serving
    from both men.

    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him,

    Indeed. Congrats Z!

    his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I don't know what Germany has to do with anything.

    What happened to Shelton? Two breaks of serve in the fourth is a lot for
    his serve. I guess he couldn't handle it in the end.


    Maybe Shelton was spent after that Alcaraz match? Or maybe Zverev has
    reached a level that is on par with healthy Sinner?
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    Scall5

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  • From Sawfish@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, September 15, 2026 08:52:06
    On 9/14/26 5:26 PM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/14/2026 3:00 AM, Pelle Svansl”s wrote:
    On 14.9.2026 0.59, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Hello!

    I just watched Sasha Zverev beat Ben Shelton in
    a US Open final that was pretty exciting and the
    quality was all right. We saw some amazing serving
    from both men.

    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him,

    Indeed. Congrats Z!

    his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I don't know what Germany has to do with anything.

    What happened to Shelton? Two breaks of serve in the fourth is a lot
    for his serve. I guess he couldn't handle it in the end.


    Maybe Shelton was spent after that Alcaraz match? Or maybe Zverev has reached a level that is on par with healthy Sinner?

    I think part of the way the match played out was a combination of skills match-up, and degree of confidence.

    For quite a while it has been apparent to me that Zverev has the tools
    and stamina to be in the top 5 consistently, with a fair degree of
    majors wins. What has stopped him is his odd headspace. He can become
    very flat and uninspired and this costs him against the top level. I
    suspect that this lingering negativity is the deep self-doubt he built
    up by failing at crucial times earlier in his career.

    But when he played Shelton for the US OPen, his head-to-head was 5-0 in Zverev's favor. This did a lot to keep him out of the negative headspace
    and this allowed him to basically play his game without silly lapses.
    And on the opposite side, it possibly put a bit of doubt into Shelton
    when he could least afford it--the finals--although Shelton seems to
    have much less trouble with the confidence part of the game.

    Now, because Zverev was relatively free of doubts, it became a skills
    match up. Their games are very similar, although mirrored, but it
    appears to me that in every aspect, FH. BH, rally consistency, etc.
    Zverev is a little better. And, by god, his serve is even a bit
    better--which I did not think was the case until Sunday.

    Anyway, that's about how I see it.
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  • From Scall5@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, September 15, 2026 18:57:32
    On 9/15/2026 10:52 AM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/14/26 5:26 PM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/14/2026 3:00 AM, Pelle Svansl”s wrote:
    On 14.9.2026 0.59, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Hello!

    I just watched Sasha Zverev beat Ben Shelton in
    a US Open final that was pretty exciting and the
    quality was all right. We saw some amazing serving
    from both men.

    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him,

    Indeed. Congrats Z!

    his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I don't know what Germany has to do with anything.

    What happened to Shelton? Two breaks of serve in the fourth is a lot
    for his serve. I guess he couldn't handle it in the end.


    Maybe Shelton was spent after that Alcaraz match? Or maybe Zverev has
    reached a level that is on par with healthy Sinner?

    I think part of the way the match played out was a combination of skills match-up, and degree of confidence.

    For quite a while it has been apparent to me that Zverev has the tools
    and stamina to be in the top 5 consistently, with a fair degree of
    majors wins. What has stopped him is his odd headspace. He can become
    very flat and uninspired and this costs him against the top level. I
    suspect that this lingering negativity is the deep self-doubt he built
    up by failing at crucial times earlier in his career.

    But when he played Shelton for the US OPen, his head-to-head was 5-0 in Zverev's favor. This did a lot to keep him out of the negative headspace
    and this allowed him to basically play his game without silly lapses.
    And on the opposite side, it possibly put a bit of doubt into Shelton
    when he could least afford it--the finals--although Shelton seems to
    have much less trouble with the confidence part of the game.

    Now, because Zverev was relatively free of doubts, it became a skills
    match up. Their games are very similar, although mirrored, but it
    appears to me that in every aspect, FH. BH, rally consistency, etc.
    Zverev is a little better. And, by god, his serve is even a bit better-- which I did not think was the case until Sunday.

    Anyway, that's about how I see it.

    I would love to hear the current (or recently retired) pros discuss
    which is harder to return, Z's or Shelton's southpaw serve. Both are historically massive!

    (I am sure there are podcasts that discuss the above, but I am too busy
    with other stuff right now. Which is a good thing...)
    --
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    Scall5

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