His name being Alexander Zverev, his dad being Alexander as well.
...meaning his full Russian name is Alexander Alexandrovich Zverev.
It means, him being more famous, kinda forced his dad to be known as Alexander Zverev, Sr in English as seen in wiki article?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Zverev_Sr.
The dad
Alexander Mikhailovch (son of Mikhail) Zverev
The kids (Mischa and Sascha)
Mikhail Alexandrovich (son of Alexander) Zverev
Alexander Alexandrovich (son of Alexander) Zverev
So Misha is named after grandfather and Sashha after his dad, I think it violates some ancient customs, the eldest kid gets father's name, the second eldest grandfather's and in their case it's the opposite?
Don't know for sure but anyway.
It's a good naming practice and I'm quite a fan of there being true female surnames that would get passed on to from mother's side.
But there is no such thing even in Spanish Portuguese they pass on mother's parental surnames that's not female line at all it's gibberish.
Rafael Nadal Parera just means his other male grandparent from mother's side was Parera.
Portuguese create more mess using the Rafael Parera Nadal model.
So to get true surname, in Spanish you must take first word, and in Portuguese second.
Barron Trump Knauss (Spanish)
Barron Knauss Trump (Portuguese)
Barron Donaldovich Trump (Russian)
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r
His name being Alexander Zverev, his dad being Alexander as well....meaning his full Russian name is Alexander Alexandrovich Zverev.It means, him being more famous, kinda forced his dad to be known as Alexander Zverev, Sr in English as seen in wiki article?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Zverev_Sr.The dadAlexander Mikhailovch (son of Mikhail) ZverevThe kids (Mischa and Sascha)Mikhail Alexandrovich (son of Alexander) ZverevAlexander Alexandrovich (son of Alexander) ZverevSo Misha is named after grandfather and Sashha after his dad, I think it violates some ancient customs, the eldest kid gets father's name, the second eldest grandfather's and in their case it's the opposite?Don't know for sure but anyway.It's a good naming practice and I'm quite a fan of there being true female surnames that would get passed on to from mother's side.But there is no such thing even in Spanish Portuguese they pass on mother's parental surnames that's not female line at all it's gibberish.Rafael Nadal Parera just means his other male grandparent from mother's side was Parera.Portuguese create more mess using the Rafael Parera Nadal model.So to get true surname, in Spanish you must take first word, and in Portuguese second.Barron Trump Knauss (Spanish)Barron Knauss Trump (Portuguese)Barron Donaldovich Trump (Russian)-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html
I'm sure you'll heard about famous painter Ruiz?
Pablo Ruiz Picasso
Pablo Picasso makes as much sense as Donald Trump or Donald Trump MacLeod (his mother's paternal surname) all of that shortened to Donald Macleod.
Full name of Pablo Ruiz ...
Pablo Diego Jos‚ Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno Marˇa de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santˇsima Trinidad Ruiz y Picasso
There's really no honouring your female ancestors in adhering to your "mother's surname" since it's not a genuine surname of a female line, it's just a surname from your other grandparent, with the difference that it's not your Y-dna line.
Women don't have it anyway.
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
On 6/14/26 11:52 PM, *skriptis wrote:> > > His name being Alexander Zverev, his dad being Alexander as well.> > ...meaning his full Russian name is Alexander Alexandrovich Zverev.> > It means, him being more famous, kinda forced his dad to be known as Alexander Zverev, Sr in English as seen in wiki article?> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Zverev_Sr.> > > > The dad> > Alexander Mikhailovch (son of Mikhail) Zverev> > > The kids (Mischa and Sascha)> > Mikhail Alexandrovich (son of Alexander) Zverev> > Alexander Alexandrovich (son of Alexander) Zverev> > > > So Misha is named after grandfather and Sashha after his dad, I think it violates some ancient customs, the eldest kid gets father's name, the second eldest grandfather's and in their case it's the opposite?> > Don't know for sure but anyway.Interesting, as always, skript.My family started with a similar S Slavic version of this, as I understand it, and would be glad to learn more, or be corrected.I'm the oldest of two sons. My father was named after his father's father, for his first name, and (as I understand it) the surname essentially means, by implication, "where all the Sawfish live"--Sawfishovich.My father had no "middle name", as we call it here in the US, nor did his father. My mom's dad same way. No middle name.This is what I get from the fairly massive tombstones that 1st gen southern/eastern Europeans favored here in the US.But I got a middle name--it was for a favored and relatively successful great uncle (grandfather's cousin) on my father's side.For my younger brother, all this went by the boards. He got a first and middle name based on what my mother liked for male names.As I like to tell him, it was a lot the same criteria as you'd use when getting a family dog... ;^)
Russian naming customs are different from our case, it's not optional the way I see it.
Alexander Zverev (player) has to be Alexander (Alexandrovich) Zverev, since his father is Alexander (Mikhailovch) Zverev.
They can't "chose" this middle name. I don't believe it's legally binding as this stuff never is, but it's a practice. But this thing is a true middle name I think.
In a way Russians combine normal surname practice with Icelandic thing. In Iceland the memory lasts only for generation.
Novak Djokovic would have been Novak Srdjanson there and Novak's son would be Stefan Novakson.
Donald Trump would have been Donald Fredson and Barron would have been Barron Donaldson.
As for our south Slavic case, there's no such thing as a middle name.
There's name (first name) and surname (second name, family name).
However in modern times, people have been known to have multiple first names, just like nobles from the past, and even sometimes double surnames with feminist women wanting that, however strictly speaking the full name always consists of two parts, personal name + family name, regardless if any of the parts has multiple names/words in it.
Wanna check Djokovic's line, just click father and then his father to see that his surname is not that old at all. Mine's a lot older and verified since cca 1550s.
https://www.geni.com/people/Novak-%C4%90okovi%C4%87/6000000036396960325
Also due to feminist push in Czechia and Slovakia I believe they aren't under obligation to have feminine forms anymore, they can be women with male surnames.
Like Hingis always was, or Wozniacki? But they were in Switzerland and Denmark.
Now you can have real girls from Czechia being styled as Navratilov, or Novotny. Haha.
https://dostupnyadvokat.cz/en/blog/changing-your-surname
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
On 6/14/26 11:52 PM, *skriptis wrote:> > > His name being Alexander Zverev, his dad being Alexander as well.> > ...meaning his full Russian name is Alexander Alexandrovich Zverev.> > It means, him being more famous, kinda forced his dad to be known as Alexander Zverev, Sr in English as seen in wiki article?> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Zverev_Sr.> > > > The dad> > Alexander Mikhailovch (son of Mikhail) Zverev> > > The kids (Mischa and Sascha)> > Mikhail Alexandrovich (son of Alexander) Zverev> > Alexander Alexandrovich (son of Alexander) Zverev> > > > So Misha is named after grandfather and Sashha after his dad, I think it violates some ancient customs, the eldest kid gets father's name, the second eldest grandfather's and in their case it's the opposite?> > Don't know for sure but anyway.Interesting, as always, skript.My family started with a similar S Slavic version of this, as I understand it, and would be glad to learn more, or be corrected.I'm the oldest of two sons. My father was named after his father's father, for his first name, and (as I understand it) the surname essentially means, by implication, "where all the Sawfish live"--Sawfishovich.My father had no "middle name", as we call it here in the US, nor did his father. My mom's dad same way. No middle name.This is what I get from the fairly massive tombstones that 1st gen southern/eastern Europeans favored here in the US.But I got a middle name--it was for a favored and relatively successful great uncle (grandfather's cousin) on my father's side.For my younger brother, all this went by the boards. He got a first and middle name based on what my mother liked for male names.As I like to tell him, it was a lot the same criteria as you'd use when getting a family dog... ;^)
Russian naming customs are different from our case, it's not optional the way I see it.
Alexander Zverev (player) has to be Alexander (Alexandrovich) Zverev, since his father is Alexander (Mikhailovch) Zverev.
They can't "chose" this middle name. I don't believe it's legally binding as this stuff never is, but it's a practice. But this thing is a true middle name I think.
In a way Russians combine normal surname practice with Icelandic thing. In Iceland the memory lasts only for generation.
Novak Djokovic would have been Novak Srdjanson there and Novak's son would be Stefan Novakson.
Donald Trump would have been Donald Fredson and Barron would have been Barron Donaldson.
As for our south Slavic case, there's no such thing as a middle name.
There's name (first name) and surname (second name, family name).
However in modern times, people have been known to have multiple first names, just like nobles from the past, and even sometimes double surnames with feminist women wanting that, however strictly speaking the full name always consists of two parts, personal name + family name, regardless if any of the parts has multiple names/words in it.
Wanna check Djokovic's line, just click father and then his father to see that his surname is not that old at all. Mine's a lot older and verified since cca 1550s.
https://www.geni.com/people/Novak-%C4%90okovi%C4%87/6000000036396960325
Also due to feminist push in Czechia and Slovakia I believe they aren't under obligation to have feminine forms anymore, they can be women with male surnames.
Like Hingis always was, or Wozniacki? But they were in Switzerland and Denmark.
Now you can have real girls from Czechia being styled as Navratilov, or Novotny. Haha.
https://dostupnyadvokat.cz/en/blog/changing-your-surname
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On 6/15/26 9:00 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:>> On 6/14/26 11:52 PM, *skriptis wrote:> > > His name being Alexander Zverev, his dad being Alexander as well.> > ...meaning his full Russian name is Alexander Alexandrovich Zverev.> > It means, him being more famous, kinda forced his dad to be known as Alexander Zverev, Sr in English as seen in wiki article?> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Zverev_Sr.> > > > The dad> > Alexander Mikhailovch (son of Mikhail) Zverev> > > The kids (Mischa and Sascha)> > Mikhail Alexandrovich (son of Alexander) Zverev> > Alexander Alexandrovich (son of Alexander) Zverev> > > > So Misha is named after grandfather and Sashha after his dad, I think it violates some ancient customs, the eldest kid gets father's name, the second eldest grandfather's and in their case it's the opposite?> > Don't know for sure but anyway.Interesting, as always, skript.My family started with a similar S Slavic version of this, as I understand it, and would be glad to learn more, or be corrected.I'm the oldest of two sons. My father was named after his father's father, for his first name, and (as I understand it) the surname essentially means, by implication, "where all the Sawfish live"--Sawfishovich.My father had no "middle name", as we call it here in the US, nor did his father. My mom's dad same way. No middle name.This is what I get from the fairly massive tombstones that 1st gen southern/eastern Europeans favored here in the US.But I got a middle name--it was for a favored and relatively successful great uncle (grandfather's cousin) on my father's side.For my younger brother, all this went by the boards. He got a first and middle name based on what my mother liked for male names.As I like to tell him, it was a lot the same criteria as you'd use when getting a family dog... ;^)> > > > > Russian naming customs are different from our case, it's not optional the way I see it.> > Alexander Zverev (player) has to be Alexander (Alexandrovich) Zverev, since his father is Alexander (Mikhailovch) Zverev.> > They can't "chose" this middle name. I don't believe it's legally binding as this stuff never is, but it's a practice. But this thing is a true middle name I think.> > In a way Russians combine normal surname practice with Icelandic thing. In Iceland the memory lasts only for generation.> > Novak Djokovic would have been Novak Srdjanson there and Novak's son would be Stefan Novakson.> > Donald Trump would have been Donald Fredson and Barron would have been Barron Donaldson.> > > > As for our south Slavic case, there's no such thing as a middle name.> > There's name (first name) and surname (second name, family name).> > However in modern times, people have been known to have multiple first names, just like nobles from the past, and even sometimes double surnames with feminist women wanting that, however strictly speaking the full name always consists of two parts, personal name + family name, regardless if any of the parts has multiple names/words in it.> > > Wanna check Djokovic's line, just click father and then his father to see that his surname is not that old at all. Mine's a lot older and verified since cca 1550s.> > > https://www.geni.com/people/Novak-%C4%90okovi%C4%87/6000000036396960325> > > > > Also due to feminist push in Czechia and Slovakia I believe they aren't under obligation to have feminine forms anymore, they can be women with male surnames.> > Like Hingis always was, or Wozniacki? But they were in Switzerland and Denmark.> > > Now you can have real girls from Czechia being styled as Navratilov, or Novotny. Haha.> > https://dostupnyadvokat.cz/en/blog/changing-your-surnameAh, I should have added this to the previous one...Traditional naming in instances we've been discussing--and they differ from the "occupational surnames", like Miller, Smith, etc.--bind the individual to a larger body. This works two ways (at least).If the individual's surname is well-known and it is a powerful family, it acts as a protective label: "Don't mess with this person." From the other direction, your actions will reflect on this larger group. E.g., if I were to all of a sudden decide to become a flamboyant cross-dresser, this would reflect on the other Sawfishes, and if it is a tight family, it acts as a deterrent against any "funny business" by individuals with that surname.So I'd be SOL unless I change my surname.In the east Asia societies it becomes extreme. The convention is to use the family name first, then a given name, as I'm sure you know. Routinely your are addressed as "Hayakawa" if this is your family name: they have a Hayakawa working with them, and if he fucks up, the other Hayakawas will be viewed as likely fuck-ups, too. Only if there are multiple Hayakawas at the workplace, would your given name be used, and then only for contexts in which their might be immediate confusion. Otherwise, you are simply "Hayakawa".Interestingly, the given names for males, especially, can be very unimaginative. E.g., a common given name is "Ichiro", which, I am sorry to report, means "first son", or "number one son".What this does, at least in the instance of the Japanese, is to make the individual responsible for how their family is publicly perceived. If feel that the other Mongol-type societies are similar, although I doubt any are as extreme as the Japanese.In general, it tends to stabilize a society much more so than a society where William Taylor is a repeat pederast. Who do we complain to? Well, any other tailor we may meet, I suppose, for what little good it might do, tailors being well-know deviants.> > > > > > > > > > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"The world's truth constitutes a vision so terrifying as to beggar the prophecies of the bleakest seer who ever walked it."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Check this hah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations
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