On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 15:19:43 -0500
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/3/2026 10:48 AM, Damon Cloche wrote:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 21:29:09 -0500>
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/2/2026 6:31 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> posted:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/50390787592/in/photostream/ >>>>>>
That's a pretty awesome rock formation. Mother nature has been
very busy in the area - several hundred million years ago.
That the amazing thing, David. Those are layers of sawdust that
look like sandstone formations. Most of these old folks have
sticks up their asses, and couldn't appreciate sleeping in a tent,
even at the state park. Heck, I'm glad though. I don't want their
kind out there. There's also a creek nearby where as long as
you're a half, or even a quarter mile from a road access, you
won't see a single other person. That meant me and my friends
didn't have to wear swimsuits. By mid September, when we're not so
busy with other commitments, there will be bathwater warm, clear
as tap water swimmin' holes, even with a not overly hot air
temperature, and it should be that way for several weeks. Maybe
we'll even hike down to the place we called Sandy Beach. Many,
many naked camping trips there over the years. We used to be able
to get Jeeps down there, and we had elaborate meals.
The Sawdust Pile is amazing, and I've also gotten started many
blackberry plants that are primocane bearing, so there will be ripe
blackberries in September and October. They are right at home,
growing in the sawdust.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/iF6F28TC7STWjyyo9
https://www.aces.edu/blog/topics/crop-production/primocane-fruiting-blackberries/
You're like Johnny Appleseed with those berries.
I am "like Johnny Appleseed with those berries." I call it, "Guerilla
gardening." I plant them without asking permission. I do respect the
patents, but the varieties I plant are off patent (Prime Jim and
Prime Jan).>
I wonder if huckleberries or raspberries would take too?>
I also planted black raspberries out there. I planted them years ago,
and I thought they had died. We found them thriving there this May. I
also planted a tayberry in May, and we haven't been back since then.
https://www.diy.com/departments/black-raspberry-black-jewel-plant-in-a-1-7l-pot-grow-your-own-fruit/5056214041426_BQ.prd
Tayberries eh?
https://specialtyproduce.com/produce/Tayberries_12376.php
Never heard of them, but they look and sound luscious.
https://preview.redd.it/my-tayberry-plants-have-been-outdoing-themselves-this-year-v0-yjzdwwme93771.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=3932878843877bb9a0860f25c1f5b4ee3c7ef36e
"Tayberries are a small aggregate fruit that grows up to 4 centimeters
in length and thrives on long, thorny canes. They have an elongated
form with a solid core reminiscent of blackberries, complemented by
finer individual drupelets similar to raspberries. Tayberries
transition from the bright red hue of a raspberry to a deep, vibrant red-purple as they reach full ripeness. They have a glossy sheen, yet
upon closer inspection, reveal a slightly bumpy and textured feel due
to the clustering of numerous small drupelets. These drupelets are
delicately bound by very fine, almost imperceptible hairs and encase
seeds within. The fragile nature of Tayberries makes them susceptible
to bruising or damage with rough handling. They emit a richly aromatic fragrance that is sweet and floral, underscored by deep, earthy
undertones, intensifying as the fruit reaches peak ripeness. The flavor profile of Tayberries is a fusion of the sweet, slightly tart notes of raspberries, balanced with the richness of blackberries."
As usual, you old fogies have missed my point. My point was that the island
I live on will, in time, be completely worn away - and not a very long time at that. Coral is just a part of the natural process. Getting incensed at what is and what will be is a natural process of rfc.
On 2026-09-03, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
As usual, you old fogies have missed my point. My point was that the island I live on will, in time, be completely worn away - and not a very long time at that. Coral is just a part of the natural process. Getting incensed at what is and what will be is a natural process of rfc.
Old fogey here.
Not one geologist or "planet scientist" has any idea when volcanic
processes will stop forming any of Hawaii. Their ideas are not fact. Prognostication is fun, but it's not fact.
If Hawaii sinks beneath the sea, while at a perfect level, coral will
form, if coral still exists. By that time, other coral atolls will
probably cease to have existed. Coral may look like spiders. Evolution!
Who knows? Prognosticators don't, but it's fun when people buy in.
Wait! What will happen when the comet collides with Earth? Ain't
speculation great?
On 2026-09-03, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
As usual, you old fogies have missed my point. My point was that the island >> I live on will, in time, be completely worn away - and not a very long time >> at that. Coral is just a part of the natural process. Getting incensed at
what is and what will be is a natural process of rfc.
Old fogey here.
Not one geologist or "planet scientist" has any idea when volcanic
processes will stop forming any of Hawaii. Their ideas are not fact. Prognostication is fun, but it's not fact.
If Hawaii sinks beneath the sea, while at a perfect level, coral will
form, if coral still exists. By that time, other coral atolls will
probably cease to have existed. Coral may look like spiders. Evolution!
Who knows? Prognosticators don't, but it's fun when people buy in.
Wait! What will happen when the comet collides with Earth? Ain't
speculation great?
On 9/3/2026 3:59 PM, Damon Cloche wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 15:19:43 -0500
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/3/2026 10:48 AM, Damon Cloche wrote:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 21:29:09 -0500>
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/2/2026 6:31 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> posted:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/50390787592/in/photostream/ >>>>>>
That's a pretty awesome rock formation. Mother nature has been
very busy in the area - several hundred million years ago.
That the amazing thing, David. Those are layers of sawdust that
look like sandstone formations. Most of these old folks have
sticks up their asses, and couldn't appreciate sleeping in a
tent, even at the state park. Heck, I'm glad though. I don't
want their kind out there. There's also a creek nearby where as
long as you're a half, or even a quarter mile from a road
access, you won't see a single other person. That meant me and
my friends didn't have to wear swimsuits. By mid September, when
we're not so busy with other commitments, there will be
bathwater warm, clear as tap water swimmin' holes, even with a
not overly hot air temperature, and it should be that way for
several weeks. Maybe we'll even hike down to the place we called
Sandy Beach. Many, many naked camping trips there over the
years. We used to be able to get Jeeps down there, and we had
elaborate meals.
The Sawdust Pile is amazing, and I've also gotten started many
blackberry plants that are primocane bearing, so there will be
ripe blackberries in September and October. They are right at
home, growing in the sawdust.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/iF6F28TC7STWjyyo9
https://www.aces.edu/blog/topics/crop-production/primocane-fruiting-blackberries/
You're like Johnny Appleseed with those berries.
I am "like Johnny Appleseed with those berries." I call it,
"Guerilla gardening." I plant them without asking permission. I do
respect the patents, but the varieties I plant are off patent
(Prime Jim and Prime Jan).>
I wonder if huckleberries or raspberries would take too?>
I also planted black raspberries out there. I planted them years
ago, and I thought they had died. We found them thriving there
this May. I also planted a tayberry in May, and we haven't been
back since then.
https://www.diy.com/departments/black-raspberry-black-jewel-plant-in-a-1-7l-pot-grow-your-own-fruit/5056214041426_BQ.prd
Tayberries eh?
https://specialtyproduce.com/produce/Tayberries_12376.php
Never heard of them, but they look and sound luscious.
https://preview.redd.it/my-tayberry-plants-have-been-outdoing-themselves-this-year-v0-yjzdwwme93771.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=3932878843877bb9a0860f25c1f5b4ee3c7ef36e
"Tayberries are a small aggregate fruit that grows up to 4I planted it on top, where it could trail down one of the walls. My
centimeters in length and thrives on long, thorny canes. They have
an elongated form with a solid core reminiscent of blackberries, complemented by finer individual drupelets similar to raspberries. Tayberries transition from the bright red hue of a raspberry to a
deep, vibrant red-purple as they reach full ripeness. They have a
glossy sheen, yet upon closer inspection, reveal a slightly bumpy
and textured feel due to the clustering of numerous small
drupelets. These drupelets are delicately bound by very fine,
almost imperceptible hairs and encase seeds within. The fragile
nature of Tayberries makes them susceptible to bruising or damage
with rough handling. They emit a richly aromatic fragrance that is
sweet and floral, underscored by deep, earthy undertones,
intensifying as the fruit reaches peak ripeness. The flavor profile
of Tayberries is a fusion of the sweet, slightly tart notes of
raspberries, balanced with the richness of blackberries."
big job next time we go there is cutting back all of the wild
blackberry plants, or as many as I can, because there are hundreds.
Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:
On 2026-09-03, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
As usual, you old fogies have missed my point. My point was that
the island I live on will, in time, be completely worn away - and
not a very long time at that. Coral is just a part of the natural process. Getting incensed at what is and what will be is a
natural process of rfc.
Old fogey here.
Not one geologist or "planet scientist" has any idea when volcanic processes will stop forming any of Hawaii. Their ideas are not fact. Prognostication is fun, but it's not fact.
If Hawaii sinks beneath the sea, while at a perfect level, coral
will form, if coral still exists. By that time, other coral atolls
will probably cease to have existed. Coral may look like spiders. Evolution! Who knows? Prognosticators don't, but it's fun when
people buy in. Wait! What will happen when the comet collides with
Earth? Ain't speculation great?
I don't know what all the mystery is. All of the islands and atolls
in the Hawaiian archipelago are surrounded with coral reefs. That's
what happens when you get parts of the Pacific where the ocean bottom
is exposed to sunlight. One can create artificial reefs by sinking
ships in suitable locations. These islands may have started out as
lava rock but in a few million years, these exposed seamounts will
have eroded/sunken down to sandy bits of land poking out of the sea.
The sand will come from the coral that has broken down into fine
particles. Even if a great asteroid collides with the Earth the
process of coral propagation and breakdown will occur. That's
comforting to know.
On 2026-09-03, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
As usual, you old fogies have missed my point. My point was that
the island I live on will, in time, be completely worn away - and
not a very long time at that. Coral is just a part of the natural
process. Getting incensed at what is and what will be is a natural
process of rfc.
Old fogey here.
Not one geologist or "planet scientist" has any idea when volcanic
processes will stop forming any of Hawaii. Their ideas are not fact. Prognostication is fun, but it's not fact.
If Hawaii sinks beneath the sea, while at a perfect level, coral will
form, if coral still exists.
By that time, other coral atolls will
probably cease to have existed. Coral may look like spiders.
Evolution! Who knows? Prognosticators don't, but it's fun when people
buy in. Wait! What will happen when the comet collides with Earth?
Ain't speculation great?
On 2026-09-04 8:03 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2026-09-03, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
As usual, you old fogies have missed my point. My point was that the
island
I live on will, in time, be completely worn away - and not a very
long time
at that. Coral is just a part of the natural process. Getting
incensed at
what is and what will be is a natural process of rfc.
Old fogey here.
Not one geologist or "planet scientist" has any idea when volcanic
processes will stop forming any of Hawaii. Their ideas are not fact.
Prognostication is fun, but it's not fact.
If Hawaii sinks beneath the sea, while at a perfect level, coral will
form, if coral still exists. By that time, other coral atolls will
probably cease to have existed. Coral may look like spiders. Evolution!
Who knows? Prognosticators don't, but it's fun when people buy in.
Wait! What will happen when the comet collides with Earth? Ain't
speculation great?
Charles Darwin published a paper on the formation of coral atols
in the QJGS (Quarterly Journal Of The Geological Society of London).
Worth a read.
On Thu, 03 Sep 2026 03:12:33 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> posted:
On 9/2/2026 6:31 PM, dsi1 wrote:
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> posted:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/50390787592/in/photostream/
That's a pretty awesome rock formation. Mother nature has been
very busy in the area - several hundred million years ago.
That the amazing thing, David. Those are layers of sawdust that
look like sandstone formations. Most of these old folks have sticks
up their asses, and couldn't appreciate sleeping in a tent, even at
the state park. Heck, I'm glad though. I don't want their kind out
there. There's also a creek nearby where as long as you're a half,
or even a quarter mile from a road access, you won't see a single
other person. That meant me and my friends didn't have to wear
swimsuits. By mid September, when we're not so busy with other
commitments, there will be bathwater warm, clear as tap water
swimmin' holes, even with a not overly hot air temperature, and it
should be that way for several weeks. Maybe we'll even hike down to
the place we called Sandy Beach. Many, many naked camping trips
there over the years. We used to be able to get Jeeps down there,
and we had elaborate meals.
The Sawdust Pile is amazing, and I've also gotten started many
blackberry plants that are primocane bearing, so there will be ripe
blackberries in September and October. They are right at home,
growing in the sawdust.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/iF6F28TC7STWjyyo9
https://www.aces.edu/blog/topics/crop-production/primocane-fruiting-blackberries/
That's a strange local eco-system for sure. This entire state is made
of layers of rock. In a few million years, these islands will have
eroded down to tiny coral atolls in the middle of nowhere.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/MhpcCc1cBxTYef2m9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/m5nWFzEmekm7qNXG9
Far western Bermuda in the making...
https://bermudageology.com/the-bermuda-volcanic-seamount/
https://assets.science.nasa.gov/dynamicimage/assets/science/esd/eo/images/imagerecords/7000/7397/bermuda_l7_1999226.jpg?w=540&h=405&fit=crop&crop=faces%2Cfocalpoint
Damon Cloche <b@ke.bread> posted:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2026 03:12:33 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> posted:
On 9/2/2026 6:31 PM, dsi1 wrote:
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> posted:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/50390787592/in/photostream/
That's a pretty awesome rock formation. Mother nature has been
very busy in the area - several hundred million years ago.
That the amazing thing, David. Those are layers of sawdust that
look like sandstone formations. Most of these old folks have
sticks up their asses, and couldn't appreciate sleeping in a
tent, even at the state park. Heck, I'm glad though. I don't
want their kind out there. There's also a creek nearby where as
long as you're a half, or even a quarter mile from a road
access, you won't see a single other person. That meant me and
my friends didn't have to wear swimsuits. By mid September,
when we're not so busy with other commitments, there will be
bathwater warm, clear as tap water swimmin' holes, even with a
not overly hot air temperature, and it should be that way for
several weeks. Maybe we'll even hike down to the place we
called Sandy Beach. Many, many naked camping trips there over
the years. We used to be able to get Jeeps down there, and we
had elaborate meals.
The Sawdust Pile is amazing, and I've also gotten started many blackberry plants that are primocane bearing, so there will be
ripe blackberries in September and October. They are right at
home, growing in the sawdust. https://photos.app.goo.gl/iF6F28TC7STWjyyo9 https://www.aces.edu/blog/topics/crop-production/primocane-fruiting-blackberries/
That's a strange local eco-system for sure. This entire state is
made of layers of rock. In a few million years, these islands
will have eroded down to tiny coral atolls in the middle of
nowhere.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/MhpcCc1cBxTYef2m9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/m5nWFzEmekm7qNXG9
Far western Bermuda in the making...
https://bermudageology.com/the-bermuda-volcanic-seamount/
https://assets.science.nasa.gov/dynamicimage/assets/science/esd/eo/images/imagerecords/7000/7397/bermuda_l7_1999226.jpg?w=540&h=405&fit=crop&crop=faces%2Cfocalpoint
It occurs to me that a lot of folks on the mainland aren't familiar
with coral reefs.
It's like coral reefs might as well be located on
the planet Mars. I suppose that's only natural. I had a client that
got a Darwin award. Not the famous one but a lesser known one.
https://coralreefs.org/awards-honors-fellowships/darwin-medal/
On 5 Sep 2026 02:03:43 GMT
Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2026-09-03, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
As usual, you old fogies have missed my point. My point was that
the island I live on will, in time, be completely worn away - and
not a very long time at that. Coral is just a part of the natural process. Getting incensed at what is and what will be is a natural process of rfc.
Old fogey here.
Not one geologist or "planet scientist" has any idea when volcanic processes will stop forming any of Hawaii. Their ideas are not fact. Prognostication is fun, but it's not fact.
Actually they can and do track the migration of known "hot spots".
"How the Chain FormsFixed Hotspot:
A deep mantle plume of hot magma
stays in a relatively fixed position beneath the Earth's crust.
Moving
Tectonic Plate: The Pacific Plate moves northwestward over this
stationary heat source at a rate of roughly 7 to 9 centimeters per
year.
Island
Creation: As the plate shifts, old volcanoes are carried away from the
heat and become dormant, while new volcanoes form over the hotspot
(such as the active volcanoes on the Big Island and the rising
submarine volcano L??ihi)"
Yellowstone Park for example has its hot spot moving to the northeast
and away from the park proper.
If Hawaii sinks beneath the sea, while at a perfect level, coral will
form, if coral still exists.
Unless the water temp alters drastically it will.
By that time, other coral atolls will
probably cease to have existed. Coral may look like spiders.
Evolution! Who knows? Prognosticators don't, but it's fun when people
buy in. Wait! What will happen when the comet collides with Earth?
Ain't speculation great?
K/t boundary layer.
https://www.geowyo.com/k-t-boundary.html
On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:16:02 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:
On 2026-09-03, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
As usual, you old fogies have missed my point. My point was that
the island I live on will, in time, be completely worn away - and
not a very long time at that. Coral is just a part of the natural process. Getting incensed at what is and what will be is a
natural process of rfc.
Old fogey here.
Not one geologist or "planet scientist" has any idea when volcanic processes will stop forming any of Hawaii. Their ideas are not fact. Prognostication is fun, but it's not fact.
If Hawaii sinks beneath the sea, while at a perfect level, coral
will form, if coral still exists. By that time, other coral atolls
will probably cease to have existed. Coral may look like spiders. Evolution! Who knows? Prognosticators don't, but it's fun when
people buy in. Wait! What will happen when the comet collides with
Earth? Ain't speculation great?
I don't know what all the mystery is. All of the islands and atolls
in the Hawaiian archipelago are surrounded with coral reefs. That's
what happens when you get parts of the Pacific where the ocean bottom
is exposed to sunlight. One can create artificial reefs by sinking
ships in suitable locations. These islands may have started out as
lava rock but in a few million years, these exposed seamounts will
have eroded/sunken down to sandy bits of land poking out of the sea.
The sand will come from the coral that has broken down into fine
particles. Even if a great asteroid collides with the Earth the
process of coral propagation and breakdown will occur. That's
comforting to know.
Exactly.
Unless...we get some polar relocation in which case Hawaii might end up
in Tierra del Fuego's old spot, who can say?
On Fri, 4 Sep 2026 18:35:22 -0500
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/3/2026 3:59 PM, Damon Cloche wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 15:19:43 -0500>
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/3/2026 10:48 AM, Damon Cloche wrote:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 21:29:09 -0500>
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/2/2026 6:31 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> posted:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/50390787592/in/photostream/ >>>>>>>>
That's a pretty awesome rock formation. Mother nature has been
very busy in the area - several hundred million years ago.
That the amazing thing, David. Those are layers of sawdust that
look like sandstone formations. Most of these old folks have
sticks up their asses, and couldn't appreciate sleeping in a
tent, even at the state park. Heck, I'm glad though. I don't
want their kind out there. There's also a creek nearby where as
long as you're a half, or even a quarter mile from a road
access, you won't see a single other person. That meant me and
my friends didn't have to wear swimsuits. By mid September, when
we're not so busy with other commitments, there will be
bathwater warm, clear as tap water swimmin' holes, even with a
not overly hot air temperature, and it should be that way for
several weeks. Maybe we'll even hike down to the place we called
Sandy Beach. Many, many naked camping trips there over the
years. We used to be able to get Jeeps down there, and we had
elaborate meals.
The Sawdust Pile is amazing, and I've also gotten started many
blackberry plants that are primocane bearing, so there will be
ripe blackberries in September and October. They are right at
home, growing in the sawdust.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/iF6F28TC7STWjyyo9
https://www.aces.edu/blog/topics/crop-production/primocane-fruiting-blackberries/
You're like Johnny Appleseed with those berries.
I am "like Johnny Appleseed with those berries." I call it,
"Guerilla gardening." I plant them without asking permission. I do
respect the patents, but the varieties I plant are off patent
(Prime Jim and Prime Jan).>
I wonder if huckleberries or raspberries would take too?>
I also planted black raspberries out there. I planted them years
ago, and I thought they had died. We found them thriving there
this May. I also planted a tayberry in May, and we haven't been
back since then.
https://www.diy.com/departments/black-raspberry-black-jewel-plant-in-a-1-7l-pot-grow-your-own-fruit/5056214041426_BQ.prd
Tayberries eh?
https://specialtyproduce.com/produce/Tayberries_12376.php
Never heard of them, but they look and sound luscious.
https://preview.redd.it/my-tayberry-plants-have-been-outdoing-themselves-this-year-v0-yjzdwwme93771.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=3932878843877bb9a0860f25c1f5b4ee3c7ef36e
"Tayberries are a small aggregate fruit that grows up to 4
centimeters in length and thrives on long, thorny canes. They have
an elongated form with a solid core reminiscent of blackberries,
complemented by finer individual drupelets similar to raspberries.
Tayberries transition from the bright red hue of a raspberry to a
deep, vibrant red-purple as they reach full ripeness. They have a
glossy sheen, yet upon closer inspection, reveal a slightly bumpy
and textured feel due to the clustering of numerous small
drupelets. These drupelets are delicately bound by very fine,
almost imperceptible hairs and encase seeds within. The fragile
nature of Tayberries makes them susceptible to bruising or damage
with rough handling. They emit a richly aromatic fragrance that is
sweet and floral, underscored by deep, earthy undertones,
intensifying as the fruit reaches peak ripeness. The flavor profile
of Tayberries is a fusion of the sweet, slightly tart notes of
raspberries, balanced with the richness of blackberries."
I planted it on top, where it could trail down one of the walls. My
big job next time we go there is cutting back all of the wild
blackberry plants, or as many as I can, because there are hundreds.
They don't fruit as well?
Damon Cloche <b@ke.bread> posted:
On 5 Sep 2026 02:03:43 GMT
Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 2026-09-03, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
As usual, you old fogies have missed my point. My point was that
the island I live on will, in time, be completely worn away -
and not a very long time at that. Coral is just a part of the
natural process. Getting incensed at what is and what will be
is a natural process of rfc.
Old fogey here.
Not one geologist or "planet scientist" has any idea when volcanic processes will stop forming any of Hawaii. Their ideas are not
fact. Prognostication is fun, but it's not fact.
Actually they can and do track the migration of known "hot spots".
"How the Chain FormsFixed Hotspot:
A deep mantle plume of hot magma
stays in a relatively fixed position beneath the Earth's crust.
Moving
Tectonic Plate: The Pacific Plate moves northwestward over this
stationary heat source at a rate of roughly 7 to 9 centimeters per
year.
Island
Creation: As the plate shifts, old volcanoes are carried away from
the heat and become dormant, while new volcanoes form over the
hotspot (such as the active volcanoes on the Big Island and the
rising submarine volcano L??ihi)"
Yellowstone Park for example has its hot spot moving to the
northeast and away from the park proper.
If Hawaii sinks beneath the sea, while at a perfect level, coral
will form, if coral still exists.
Unless the water temp alters drastically it will.
By that time, other coral atolls will
probably cease to have existed. Coral may look like spiders.
Evolution! Who knows? Prognosticators don't, but it's fun when
people buy in. Wait! What will happen when the comet collides
with Earth? Ain't speculation great?
K/t boundary layer.
https://www.geowyo.com/k-t-boundary.html
The Hawaiian island chain is a remarkable geological feature. The
chain runs about 1,500 miles in length from the youngest island, the
big island, to the oldest, Kure Atoll. By going up the chain, you can
witness the evolution of the islands from a big hot spot in the
middle of the Pacific to lonely atolls that's mostly sand and coral.
It's a graphical/geological timeline with a span of 28 million years.
There is another island that's forming under the sea off the shore of
the big island. It might pop its little peak above the sea in 100,000
years or so. The newest island/seamount in the chain is called Kama?ehuakanaloa, but my guess is that when it makes its appearance,
there won't be anyone around to say its name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama%CA%BBehuakanaloa_Seamount
Damon Cloche <b@ke.bread> posted:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 05:16:02 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:
On 2026-09-03, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
As usual, you old fogies have missed my point. My point was
that the island I live on will, in time, be completely worn
away - and not a very long time at that. Coral is just a part
of the natural process. Getting incensed at what is and what
will be is a natural process of rfc.
Old fogey here.
Not one geologist or "planet scientist" has any idea when
volcanic processes will stop forming any of Hawaii. Their ideas
are not fact. Prognostication is fun, but it's not fact.
If Hawaii sinks beneath the sea, while at a perfect level, coral
will form, if coral still exists. By that time, other coral
atolls will probably cease to have existed. Coral may look like spiders. Evolution! Who knows? Prognosticators don't, but it's
fun when people buy in. Wait! What will happen when the comet
collides with Earth? Ain't speculation great?
I don't know what all the mystery is. All of the islands and
atolls in the Hawaiian archipelago are surrounded with coral
reefs. That's what happens when you get parts of the Pacific
where the ocean bottom is exposed to sunlight. One can create
artificial reefs by sinking ships in suitable locations. These
islands may have started out as lava rock but in a few million
years, these exposed seamounts will have eroded/sunken down to
sandy bits of land poking out of the sea. The sand will come from
the coral that has broken down into fine particles. Even if a
great asteroid collides with the Earth the process of coral
propagation and breakdown will occur. That's comforting to know.
Exactly.
Unless...we get some polar relocation in which case Hawaii might
end up in Tierra del Fuego's old spot, who can say?
That's certainly true. The Hawaiian archipelago does do a Northward
change in direction. We're not sure how that happened. At that point,
it's all underwater. That part is called the Emperor Seamount because
it's named after the emperors of Japan.
On 9/5/2026 10:19 AM, Damon Cloche wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2026 18:35:22 -0500
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/3/2026 3:59 PM, Damon Cloche wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 15:19:43 -0500>
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/3/2026 10:48 AM, Damon Cloche wrote:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 21:29:09 -0500>
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/2/2026 6:31 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> posted:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/50390787592/in/photostream/
That's a pretty awesome rock formation. Mother nature has been >>>>>>> very busy in the area - several hundred million years ago.
That the amazing thing, David. Those are layers of sawdust that
look like sandstone formations. Most of these old folks have
sticks up their asses, and couldn't appreciate sleeping in a
tent, even at the state park. Heck, I'm glad though. I don't
want their kind out there. There's also a creek nearby where as
long as you're a half, or even a quarter mile from a road
access, you won't see a single other person. That meant me and
my friends didn't have to wear swimsuits. By mid September,
when we're not so busy with other commitments, there will be
bathwater warm, clear as tap water swimmin' holes, even with a
not overly hot air temperature, and it should be that way for
several weeks. Maybe we'll even hike down to the place we
called Sandy Beach. Many, many naked camping trips there over
the years. We used to be able to get Jeeps down there, and we
had elaborate meals.
The Sawdust Pile is amazing, and I've also gotten started many
blackberry plants that are primocane bearing, so there will be
ripe blackberries in September and October. They are right at
home, growing in the sawdust.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/iF6F28TC7STWjyyo9
https://www.aces.edu/blog/topics/crop-production/primocane-fruiting-blackberries/
You're like Johnny Appleseed with those berries.
I am "like Johnny Appleseed with those berries." I call it,
"Guerilla gardening." I plant them without asking permission. I
do respect the patents, but the varieties I plant are off patent
(Prime Jim and Prime Jan).>
I wonder if huckleberries or raspberries would take too?>
I also planted black raspberries out there. I planted them years
ago, and I thought they had died. We found them thriving there
this May. I also planted a tayberry in May, and we haven't been
back since then.
https://www.diy.com/departments/black-raspberry-black-jewel-plant-in-a-1-7l-pot-grow-your-own-fruit/5056214041426_BQ.prd
Tayberries eh?
https://specialtyproduce.com/produce/Tayberries_12376.php
Never heard of them, but they look and sound luscious.
https://preview.redd.it/my-tayberry-plants-have-been-outdoing-themselves-this-year-v0-yjzdwwme93771.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=3932878843877bb9a0860f25c1f5b4ee3c7ef36e
"Tayberries are a small aggregate fruit that grows up to 4
centimeters in length and thrives on long, thorny canes. They have
an elongated form with a solid core reminiscent of blackberries,
complemented by finer individual drupelets similar to raspberries.
Tayberries transition from the bright red hue of a raspberry to a
deep, vibrant red-purple as they reach full ripeness. They have a
glossy sheen, yet upon closer inspection, reveal a slightly bumpy
and textured feel due to the clustering of numerous small
drupelets. These drupelets are delicately bound by very fine,
almost imperceptible hairs and encase seeds within. The fragile
nature of Tayberries makes them susceptible to bruising or damage
with rough handling. They emit a richly aromatic fragrance that is
sweet and floral, underscored by deep, earthy undertones,
intensifying as the fruit reaches peak ripeness. The flavor
profile of Tayberries is a fusion of the sweet, slightly tart
notes of raspberries, balanced with the richness of blackberries."
I planted it on top, where it could trail down one of the walls. My
big job next time we go there is cutting back all of the wild
blackberry plants, or as many as I can, because there are hundreds.
They don't fruit as well?Lower quality fruit, and only on floricanes. The varieties I've
planted are Prime Jim and Prime Jan. I guy I gave a few to made a
video for YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x5es5TcBTxI
Watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5uRXYR6EY
I grow Prime Jan, Prime Jim, Traveler, Freedom, Black Magic and
Babycakes. Black Magic is expensive. It's a product of U Ark, but
bred specifically for Gurney's. It's the highest quality thorny one.
If you live anywhere that has deer, you can't grow thornless because
the deer will eat them to the ground.
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