Minden <nev@a.da> posted:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 19:16:08 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Minden <nev@a.da> posted:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 07:48:09 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
marika <marika5000@gmail.com> posted:
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:
On 2026-07-20, atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've been looking to try my hand at making Yorkshire
Puddings, but I haven't found a good recipe so far. Does
anyone have a recipe that they use for making them that
they'd like to share?
I made Yorkshire for years. I haven't for a year and am
getting stupid. To the best of my memory:
Preheat oven to 450 F. With about five minutes before
pouring the mixture below into a pan, throw the pan into
the oven with a tablespoon of cooking oil, or better
yet, pan drippings.
One cup flour
One cup milk
One or two eggs
a pinch of salt
Mix until "almost" smooth, I use a fork, and pour the
mixture into the smoking hot pan. Cook for thirty
minutes. I use a 8"x8" steel baking pan to put the
mixture into.
Now, I'll read down the thread to better replies. I used
to be good at this.
I used to have the recipe for Dutch babies memorized but
these days, it's escaped my brain-pan. I think it cooks
best on a non-stick surface. The bottom has to be able to
expand freely. The only thing I got to add is that this
doesn't work in an air fryer. You don't want the top to
set before the bottom.
ll
I used to make this version for my family
?SERVES 4
PREP TIME: 5 minutes TOTAL TIME: 25 minutes
?or is it German? Or Swedish? Well, I totally get why a
mingthese countries are trying to claim this gem of a breakfast
sweet. My dad used to make these when I was growing up,
before I realized I couldn?t jump-start my day by consu
??a dish2,000 calories. Basically it?s a fluffy dough bucket?
ightthat, when finished, acts as a vessel to transport buttery
syrup and powdered sugar into your mouth hole. They puff up ever-so-perfectly and one bite will change your life. Add
some lemon zest if you?re feeling Paltrow-y or eat it r
od.out of the pan if you?re in more of a Teigen kind of mo
21 cup all-purpose flour, sifted
4 large eggs
1 cup whole milk, at room temperature
« teaspoon kosher salt
4 tablespoons (« stick) butter, melted, plus softened
butter for serving Pancake syrup (or, more specifically,
Mrs. Butterworth?s) Powdered sugar, for dusting
Preheat the oven to 475øF.
?In a blender, combine the flour, eggs, milk, salt, and
17tablespoons of the melted butter and blend until smooth
with no lumps, 20 to 30 seconds. In a 10-inch cast-iron
skillet, heat the remaining 2 tablespoons melted butter
over high heat until foamy. Add the batter and immediately
put the skillet in the oven. Bake until the outside of the
pancake is puffed and a deep golden color (it will puff up
in a bit of a crazy, disorganized way, so don?t worry),
to 18 minutes. Remove from the oven, slather with softened
butter, and cut into quarters. Pour syrup over the pancake
slices and dust with powdered sugar.
hes/dp/B0CRYY5ZSQ?
Excerpt From
Cravings
Chrissy Teigen & Adeena Sussman
I used to sprinkle with powdered sugar and squeeze a lemon
over the Dutch baby. God, it was delicious.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zkXkyQpE1GjKVQjV9
+1 for lemon/sugar in lieu of maple syrup - yes!
I met a guy in Wales that made yorkies. He was quite proud of
them. They were small ones. You serve them with brown gravy and a
slice of roast beef. I was going to take back a baking pan for
yorkies but I was backpacking the trip. That was a smart move -
not carrying those pans around.
https://www.amazon.com/Brightalk-Yorkshire-Nonstick-Hamburger-Sandwic
e/dp/B0GKDJ5ZT8?ref_=ast_sto_dp
Brilliant idea!
I'm still doing them the traditional way:
https://www.amazon.com/Nonstick-12-Cavity-Yorkshire-Individual-Versatil
ef_=ast_sto_dp&th=1My self-granted next cooking gadget dilemma has to do with cornbread
molds.
This?
https://www.amazon.com/Nordic-Ware-Cornbread-Corn-Cakes/dp/B085F44PWN?r
Or these?
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81AMSchSkNS._AC_SL1500_.jpg
What say you?
They look to be more funny than a barrel of corn. Of course, most
things are. My favorite can opener is one in the shape of a whale. I
even saw my daughter using it the other day. That's so funny.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0030XNLUU
On 21 Jul 2026 01:07:14 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
With about five minutes before pouring the mixture below into a pan,
throw the pan into the oven with a tablespoon of cooking oil, or
better yet, pan drippings.
Does tallow from a local butcher work?
On 21 Jul 2026 01:07:14 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
With about five minutes before pouring the mixture below into a pan,
throw the pan into the oven with a tablespoon of cooking oil, or better
yet, pan drippings.
Does tallow from a local butcher work?
On 2026-07-24, atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 21 Jul 2026 01:07:14 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
With about five minutes before pouring the mixture below into a pan,
throw the pan into the oven with a tablespoon of cooking oil, or better
yet, pan drippings.
Does tallow from a local butcher work?
It certainly should, better than cooking oil, but I don't speak from experience.
It certainly should, better than cooking oil, but I don't speak from
experience.
The idea of using rendered animal fat in cooking is repulsive to some people. OTOH, I had some pomme frites cooked in tallow and it was pretty tasty. I won't
use animal fat in cooking but I suppose I don't mind eating the stuff.
On 2026-07-25 11:18 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
It certainly should, better than cooking oil, but I don't speak from
experience.
The idea of using rendered animal fat in cooking is repulsive to some people.
OTOH, I had some pomme frites cooked in tallow and it was pretty tasty. I won't
use animal fat in cooking but I suppose I don't mind eating the stuff.
Apparently potatoes roasted in duck or goose fat are amazing. May be it
is my Anglo and European ancestry that exposed me to so many dinners
where a large piece of meat was roasted in an oven and potatoes, carrots
and onions were thrown into the pan to roast. It is not at all
repulsive. Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
On 2026-07-23 3:16 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
I met a guy in Wales that made yorkies. He was quite proud of them.
They were
small ones. You serve them with brown gravy and a slice of roast beef.
I was
going to take back a baking pan for yorkies but I was backpacking the
trip.
That was a smart move - not carrying those pans around.
https://www.amazon.com/Brightalk-Yorkshire-Nonstick-Hamburger-
Sandwiches/dp/B0CRYY5ZSQ
When I was a kid Sunday night dinner was a roast and it was most often
beef. It was almost always served with gravy and Yorkshire pudding. My mother always made them in muffin pans. I was in my 20s before I ever
had it made in a baking pan.ÿ I prefer the individual style yorkies.
On 2026-07-25 11:18 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
The idea of using rendered animal fat in cooking is repulsive to some people.
OTOH, I had some pomme frites cooked in tallow and it was pretty tasty. I won't
use animal fat in cooking but I suppose I don't mind eating the stuff.
Apparently potatoes roasted in duck or goose fat are amazing. May be it
is my Anglo and European ancestry that exposed me to so many dinners
where a large piece of meat was roasted in an oven and potatoes, carrots
and onions were thrown into the pan to roast. It is not at all
repulsive. Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold climes like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is not a problem. Using the
gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant - it was a hot and humid place.
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold climes like to
use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is not a problem. Using the
gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant - it was a hot and humid place.
I hear you! In the summertime when the gas oven is going is like cooking in a
foundry. ÿÿ?
Thank goodness for toaster ovens, pressure cookers, air fryers, and crockpots.
~
On 7/25/2026 2:10 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold climes
like to
use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is not a problem.
Using the
gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant - it was a hot and humid
place.
I hear you!ÿ In the summertime when the gas oven is going is like
cooking in a
foundry. ÿÿ?
Thank goodness for toaster ovens, pressure cookers, air fryers, and
crockpots.
~
Some old ones were terrible.ÿ Newer ones have much better insulation.ÿ I never notice mine.ÿ If used in combination with a top burner, I also
have the hood vent going to extract the heat and lessen the AC load.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-07-25 11:18 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
The idea of using rendered animal fat in cooking is repulsive to some people.
OTOH, I had some pomme frites cooked in tallow and it was pretty tasty. I won't
use animal fat in cooking but I suppose I don't mind eating the stuff.
Apparently potatoes roasted in duck or goose fat are amazing. May be it
is my Anglo and European ancestry that exposed me to so many dinners
where a large piece of meat was roasted in an oven and potatoes, carrots
and onions were thrown into the pan to roast. It is not at all
repulsive. Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
Didn't McDonald's use to cook their fries in beef tallow then switched to >vegetable oil?? Lots of outcries of disappointment from consumers over
that. There's a chip brand that may be only available in the northeast,
I think, that would cook their snacks/chips in beef tallow. Quite tasty, >then they went the 'healthy' route and switched to vegetable oil; bland.
A few years ago, my financial adviser sent me a box of fudge made with
duck fat. Heavenly, simply heavenly!
On 7/25/2026 2:10 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold climes like to
use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is not a problem. Using the
gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant - it was a hot and humid place.
I hear you! In the summertime when the gas oven is going is like cooking in a
foundry. ÿÿ?
Thank goodness for toaster ovens, pressure cookers, air fryers, and crockpots.Some old ones were terrible. Newer ones have much better insulation. I never notice mine. If used in combination with a top burner, I also
have the hood vent going to extract the heat and lessen the AC load.
I used my air fryer in the garage the other day as it's hot here and
we're dealing with forest fire smoke from Washington and some from BC.
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold climes like to
use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is not a problem. Using the
gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant - it was a hot and humid place.
I hear you! In the summertime when the gas oven is going is like cooking in a
foundry. ÿÿ?
Thank goodness for toaster ovens, pressure cookers, air fryers, and crockpots.
~
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
Apparently potatoes roasted in duck or goose fat are amazing. May be it
is my Anglo and European ancestry that exposed me to so many dinners
where a large piece of meat was roasted in an oven and potatoes, carrots
and onions were thrown into the pan to roast. It is not at all
repulsive. Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
Didn't McDonald's use to cook their fries in beef tallow then switched to vegetable oil?? Lots of outcries of disappointment from consumers over
that.
I think, that would cook their snacks/chips in beef tallow. Quite tasty, then they went the 'healthy' route and switched to vegetable oil; bland.
A few years ago, my financial adviser sent me a box of fudge made with
duck fat. Heavenly, simply heavenly!
~
On 2026-07-25 12:26 p.m., Ed P wrote:
Some old ones were terrible.ÿ Newer ones have much better insulation.
I never notice mine.ÿ If used in combination with a top burner, I also
have the hood vent going to extract the heat and lessen the AC load.
I used my air fryer in the garage the other day as it's hot here and
we're dealing with forest fire smoke from Washington and some from BC.
On 21 Jul 2026 01:07:14 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
With about five minutes before pouring the mixture below into a pan,
throw the pan into the oven with a tablespoon of cooking oil, or
better yet, pan drippings.
Does tallow from a local butcher work?
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold
climes like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen
is not a problem. Using the gas oven in our house was pretty
unpleasant - it was a hot and humid place.
I hear you! In the summertime when the gas oven is going is like
cooking in a foundry. ÿÿ?
Thank goodness for toaster ovens, pressure cookers, air fryers, and crockpots.
~
In cold areas, a gas oven must be a great comfort as it supplies heat
as well as a great amount of water vapor. At our family home, we have
a gas range but most times, we use the Ninja Air Fryer for baking.
The question is, is it cheaper to bake a cake using the big gas oven
or, perchance to save money by using the small efficent electric
Ninja? Aye, that's the rub.
On 2026-07-25 3:20 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2026-07-25 12:26 p.m., Ed P wrote:
What???? You're getting smoke from American wild fires? You should slapSome old ones were terrible.ÿ Newer ones have much better insulation.
I never notice mine.ÿ If used in combination with a top burner, I also
have the hood vent going to extract the heat and lessen the AC load.
I used my air fryer in the garage the other day as it's hot here and
we're dealing with forest fire smoke from Washington and some from BC.
a tariff on goods imported from the US.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Thank goodness for toaster ovens, pressure cookers, air fryers, and crockpots.
In cold areas, a gas oven must be a great comfort as it supplies heat as well as
a great amount of water vapor. At our family home, we have a gas range but most
times, we use the Ninja Air Fryer for baking. The question is, is it cheaper to
bake a cake using the big gas oven or, perchance to save money by using the small
efficent electric Ninja? Aye, that's the rub.
On 2026-07-25 3:20 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2026-07-25 12:26 p.m., Ed P wrote:
What???? You're getting smoke from American wild fires? You should slapSome old ones were terrible.ÿ Newer ones have much better insulation.
I never notice mine.ÿ If used in combination with a top burner, I
also have the hood vent going to extract the heat and lessen the AC
load.
I used my air fryer in the garage the other day as it's hot here and
we're dealing with forest fire smoke from Washington and some from BC.
a tariff on goods imported from the US.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:Here in Texas it definitely gets very hot and humid around this time of
On 2026-07-25 11:18 a.m., dsi1 wrote:That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold climes
It certainly should, better than cooking oil, but I don't speak from
experience.
The idea of using rendered animal fat in cooking is repulsive to some
people. OTOH, I had some pomme frites cooked in tallow and it was
pretty tasty. I won't use animal fat in cooking but I suppose I don't
mind eating the stuff.
Apparently potatoes roasted in duck or goose fat are amazing. May be it
is my Anglo and European ancestry that exposed me to so many dinners
where a large piece of meat was roasted in an oven and potatoes,
carrots and onions were thrown into the pan to roast. It is not at all
repulsive. Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is not a
problem. Using the gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant - it was
a hot and humid place.
On 7/25/2026 4:49 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
What???? You're getting smoke from American wild fires? You should
slap a tariff on goods imported from the US.
This shows some very interesting stats on fires on both sides of the
border.
https://imgur.com/gallery/stats-show-that-canada-isnt-actual- problem-7GwyJLU
Thanks. That chart deals with numbers of fires and it is interesting
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 19:46:46 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold
climes like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen
is not a problem. Using the gas oven in our house was pretty
unpleasant - it was a hot and humid place.
I hear you! In the summertime when the gas oven is going is like
cooking in a foundry. ÿÿ?
Thank goodness for toaster ovens, pressure cookers, air fryers, and
crockpots.
~
In cold areas, a gas oven must be a great comfort as it supplies heat
as well as a great amount of water vapor. At our family home, we have
a gas range but most times, we use the Ninja Air Fryer for baking.
The question is, is it cheaper to bake a cake using the big gas oven
or, perchance to save money by using the small efficent electric
Ninja? Aye, that's the rub.
And does that Ninja do a proper job on cake, or are there irregular
spots of doneness?
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
In cold areas, a gas oven must be a great comfort as it supplies heat as well as
Thank goodness for toaster ovens, pressure cookers, air fryers, and crockpots.
a great amount of water vapor. At our family home, we have a gas range but most
times, we use the Ninja Air Fryer for baking. The question is, is it cheaper to
bake a cake using the big gas oven or, perchance to save money by using the small
efficent electric Ninja? Aye, that's the rub.
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes welcomed.
But I have no idea about the efficiency of a countertop appliance when it comes to baking a cake vs. the full-size oven.
~
Thanks. That chart deals with numbers of fires and it is interesting
that there are 10 times as many in the US. However, it does not show the >severity. Part of the problem is that a lot of our fires are in remote
areas with no roads. It is hard to get men and equipment in to fight them.
FWIW Trump's recent asinine announcement about slapping a tariff on
Canada for not doing enough to stop the fires came on the day after a >Canadian firefighter died fighting a fire in Colorado.
Hold onto your hats. Things in BC could get worse. There are already a
lot of fires
Trump is already pissed with us over the opening of the Gordie Howe
Bridge. Back in February he announced that he was not going to allow the >opening until the US was compensated for the bridge. It was an entirely >Canadian project. Canada paid the entire cost including the purchase of >property on the US side and the using US labour and materials. By >coincidence, a guy who donated $1 million to Trump's campaign opposed
the bridge because it will cut into his profits from the Ambassador
Bridge that he owns.
They finally agreed to open it July 27. We had an opening ceremony >yesterday and now Trump is pissed that we didn't invite any Americans to >participate. I guess we can expect another set of tariffs to be
announced soon.
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 18:19:12 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Thanks. That chart deals with numbers of fires and it is interesting
that there are 10 times as many in the US. However, it does not show the
severity. Part of the problem is that a lot of our fires are in remote
areas with no roads. It is hard to get men and equipment in to fight them. >>
FWIW Trump's recent asinine announcement about slapping a tariff on
Canada for not doing enough to stop the fires came on the day after a
Canadian firefighter died fighting a fire in Colorado.
Hold onto your hats. Things in BC could get worse. There are already a
lot of fires
Trump is already pissed with us over the opening of the Gordie Howe
Bridge. Back in February he announced that he was not going to allow the
opening until the US was compensated for the bridge. It was an entirely
Canadian project. Canada paid the entire cost including the purchase of
property on the US side and the using US labour and materials. By
coincidence, a guy who donated $1 million to Trump's campaign opposed
the bridge because it will cut into his profits from the Ambassador
Bridge that he owns.
They finally agreed to open it July 27. We had an opening ceremony
yesterday and now Trump is pissed that we didn't invite any Americans to
participate. I guess we can expect another set of tariffs to be
announced soon.
I think dementia's creeping in and allowing his personality disorder
to run wild. Somehow 39% of Americans can't see that and continue to
support the increasingly unhinged conman.
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:20:16 GMT, dsi1 wrote:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
Here in Texas it definitely gets very hot and humid around this time of year.On 2026-07-25 11:18 a.m., dsi1 wrote:That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold climes
It certainly should, better than cooking oil, but I don't speak from
experience.
The idea of using rendered animal fat in cooking is repulsive to some
people. OTOH, I had some pomme frites cooked in tallow and it was
pretty tasty. I won't use animal fat in cooking but I suppose I don't
mind eating the stuff.
Apparently potatoes roasted in duck or goose fat are amazing. May be it
is my Anglo and European ancestry that exposed me to so many dinners
where a large piece of meat was roasted in an oven and potatoes,
carrots and onions were thrown into the pan to roast. It is not at all
repulsive. Animal fat is an important component of the diet for people
in a cold climate.
like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is not a
problem. Using the gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant - it was
a hot and humid place.
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne wrote on 7/25/2026 5:51 PM:
I think dementia's creeping in and allowing his personality disorder
to run wild. Somehow 39% of Americans can't see that and continue to
support the increasingly unhinged conman.
It's 1939 all over again.
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 18:19:12 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Thanks. That chart deals with numbers of fires and it is interesting
that there are 10 times as many in the US. However, it does not show the
severity. Part of the problem is that a lot of our fires are in remote
areas with no roads. It is hard to get men and equipment in to fight them. >>
FWIW Trump's recent asinine announcement about slapping a tariff on
Canada for not doing enough to stop the fires came on the day after a
Canadian firefighter died fighting a fire in Colorado.
Hold onto your hats. Things in BC could get worse. There are already a
lot of fires
Trump is already pissed with us over the opening of the Gordie Howe
Bridge. Back in February he announced that he was not going to allow the
opening until the US was compensated for the bridge. It was an entirely
Canadian project. Canada paid the entire cost including the purchase of
property on the US side and the using US labour and materials. By
coincidence, a guy who donated $1 million to Trump's campaign opposed
the bridge because it will cut into his profits from the Ambassador
Bridge that he owns.
They finally agreed to open it July 27. We had an opening ceremony
yesterday and now Trump is pissed that we didn't invite any Americans to
participate. I guess we can expect another set of tariffs to be
announced soon.
I think dementia's creeping in and allowing his personality disorder
to run wild. Somehow 39% of Americans can't see that and continue to
support the increasingly unhinged conman.
atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> posted:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:20:16 GMT, dsi1 wrote:
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold climes
like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is not a
problem. Using the gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant - it was
a hot and humid place.
Here in Texas it definitely gets very hot and humid around this time of
year.
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive peoples and >cheap production budget TV programs.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote on 7/25/2026 4:10 PM:
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes welcomed. But I have no idea about the efficiency of a countertop appliance when it comes to baking a cake vs. the full-size oven.
If yoose were a trained electrical engineer like Uncle, yoose would not
be so ignorant on these matters. On technical matters, it is better to remain quiet and let Uncle handle it. After all, he knows everything,
and he IS a Hiwayan. Yoose NOT.
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> posted:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote on 7/25/2026 4:10 PM:
If yoose were a trained electrical engineer like Uncle, yoose would not
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes welcomed. >> > But I have no idea about the efficiency of a countertop appliance when it >> > comes to baking a cake vs. the full-size oven.
be so ignorant on these matters. On technical matters, it is better to
remain quiet and let Uncle handle it. After all, he knows everything,
and he IS a Hiwayan. Yoose NOT.
Yeah, I skipped that class in high school and opted for American History.
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes welcomed.
But I have no idea about the efficiency of a countertop appliance when it comes to baking a cake vs. the full-size oven.
~
Trump is already pissed with us over the opening of the Gordie Howe
Bridge. Back in February he announced that he was not going to allow the opening until the US was compensated for the bridge. It was an entirely Canadian project. Canada paid the entire cost including the purchase of property on the US side and the using US labour and materials. By coincidence, a guy who donated $1 million to Trump's campaign opposed
the bridge because it will cut into his profits from the Ambassador
Bridge that he owns.
They finally agreed to open it July 27. We had an opening ceremony yesterday and now Trump is pissed that we didn't invite any Americans to participate. I guess we can expect another set of tariffs to be
announced soon.
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 18:23:35 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne wrote on 7/25/2026 5:51 PM:
I think dementia's creeping in and allowing his personality disorder
to run wild. Somehow 39% of Americans can't see that and continue to
support the increasingly unhinged conman.
It's 1939 all over again.
It reminds me of those days too. AI says that many Americans are
Republicans, no matter what or Democrats, no matter what. They won't
change sides just because they disagree with something. They stay with
their tribe, because switching is unthinkable.
atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> posted:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:20:16 GMT, dsi1 wrote:
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold climesHere in Texas it definitely gets very hot and humid around this time of
like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is not a
problem. Using the gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant - it was
a hot and humid place.
year.
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive peoples and cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> posted:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote on 7/25/2026 4:10 PM:
If yoose were a trained electrical engineer like Uncle, yoose would not
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes welcomed. >> > But I have no idea about the efficiency of a countertop appliance when it >> > comes to baking a cake vs. the full-size oven.
be so ignorant on these matters. On technical matters, it is better to
remain quiet and let Uncle handle it. After all, he knows everything,
and he IS a Hiwayan. Yoose NOT.
Yeah, I skipped that class in high school and opted for American History.
On 2026-07-25, Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 18:23:35 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne wrote on 7/25/2026 5:51 PM:
I think dementia's creeping in and allowing his personality disorder
to run wild. Somehow 39% of Americans can't see that and continue to
support the increasingly unhinged conman.
It's 1939 all over again.
It reminds me of those days too. AI says that many Americans are
Republicans, no matter what or Democrats, no matter what. They won't
change sides just because they disagree with something. They stay with
their tribe, because switching is unthinkable.
I'm not officially a Democrat, but I haven't voted for a single
Republican since 2016. I used to vote a mixed ticket.
I don't see that changing in my lifetime, but you never know.
On 2026-07-25 3:20 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2026-07-25 12:26 p.m., Ed P wrote:
What???? You're getting smoke from American wild fires? You should slapSome old ones were terrible.ÿ Newer ones have much better insulation.
I never notice mine.ÿ If used in combination with a top burner, I
also have the hood vent going to extract the heat and lessen the AC
load.
I used my air fryer in the garage the other day as it's hot here and
we're dealing with forest fire smoke from Washington and some from BC.
a tariff on goods imported from the US.
On 2026-07-25, Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 18:23:35 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne wrote on 7/25/2026 5:51 PM:
I think dementia's creeping in and allowing his personality disorder
to run wild. Somehow 39% of Americans can't see that and continue to
support the increasingly unhinged conman.
It's 1939 all over again.
It reminds me of those days too. AI says that many Americans are
Republicans, no matter what or Democrats, no matter what. They won't
change sides just because they disagree with something. They stay with
their tribe, because switching is unthinkable.
I'm not officially a Democrat, but I haven't voted for a single
Republican since 2016. I used to vote a mixed ticket.
I don't see that changing in my lifetime, but you never know.
On 7/26/2026 5:39 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I don't see that changing in my lifetime, but you never know.
I've always been registered non-partisan.ÿ I'd look at the candidate and read what they stand for.ÿ Until recently, I've never been swayed by the signs candidates have posted around town until this election.
One candidate has a sight with her photo, party, and such but in
addition is says "endorsed by President Trump"ÿÿÿ When I get the ballot, easy choice, her opponent gets my vote.
On 7/26/2026 5:39 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2026-07-25, Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 18:23:35 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne wrote on 7/25/2026 5:51 PM:
I think dementia's creeping in and allowing his personality disorder >>>>> to run wild. Somehow 39% of Americans can't see that and continue to >>>>> support the increasingly unhinged conman.
It's 1939 all over again.
It reminds me of those days too. AI says that many Americans are
Republicans, no matter what or Democrats, no matter what. They won't
change sides just because they disagree with something. They stay with
their tribe, because switching is unthinkable.
I'm not officially a Democrat, but I haven't voted for a single
Republican since 2016. I used to vote a mixed ticket.
I don't see that changing in my lifetime, but you never know.
I've always been registered non-partisan. I'd look at the candidate and read what they stand for. Until recently, I've never been swayed by the signs candidates have posted around town until this election.
One candidate has a sight with her photo, party, and such but in
addition is says "endorsed by President Trump" When I get the ballot, easy choice, her opponent gets my vote.
On 2026-07-26 9:15 a.m., Ed P wrote:
On 7/26/2026 5:39 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I don't see that changing in my lifetime, but you never know.
I've always been registered non-partisan.ÿ I'd look at the candidate and
read what they stand for.ÿ Until recently, I've never been swayed by the
signs candidates have posted around town until this election.
One candidate has a sight with her photo, party, and such but in
addition is says "endorsed by President Trump"ÿÿÿ When I get the ballot,
easy choice, her opponent gets my vote.
I have never understood the reason for registering for any political
party.
On 2026-07-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> posted:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:20:16 GMT, dsi1 wrote:
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in coldHere in Texas it definitely gets very hot and humid around this time
climes like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is
not a problem. Using the gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant
- it was a hot and humid place.
of year.
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive peoples
and cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
I'm tired of hearing you moan about how hot and humid your weather is.
Today's forecast for Kaneohe:
High of 80, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Ann Arbor:
High of 86, humidity 57%
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 09:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2026-07-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> posted:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:20:16 GMT, dsi1 wrote:
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in coldHere in Texas it definitely gets very hot and humid around this time
climes like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is
not a problem. Using the gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant >>>> > - it was a hot and humid place.
of year.
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive peoples
and cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
I'm tired of hearing you moan about how hot and humid your weather is.
Today's forecast for Kaneohe:
High of 80, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Ann Arbor:
High of 86, humidity 57%
Today's forecast for Houston:
High of 95, humidity 60%
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 09:39:58 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
I'm not officially a Democrat, but I haven't voted for a single
Republican since 2016. I used to vote a mixed ticket.
I don't see that changing in my lifetime, but you never know.
I can only switch from Greens (too woke for me) to Animal Party (quite marginal in AU) or vice versa.
It's an open secret that primaries are more important than the
general election,
On 2026-07-26, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> posted:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote on 7/25/2026 4:10 PM:
If yoose were a trained electrical engineer like Uncle, yoose
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes
welcomed. But I have no idea about the efficiency of a
countertop appliance when it comes to baking a cake vs. the
full-size oven.
would not be so ignorant on these matters. On technical matters,
it is better to remain quiet and let Uncle handle it. After all,
he knows everything, and he IS a Hiwayan. Yoose NOT.
Yeah, I skipped that class in high school and opted for American
History.
Heh. Good one. American History was required in my high school.
I'm tired of hearing you moan about how hot and humid your weather is.
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> posted:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote on 7/25/2026 4:10 PM:
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes
welcomed. But I have no idea about the efficiency of a countertop appliance when it comes to baking a cake vs. the full-size oven.
If yoose were a trained electrical engineer like Uncle, yoose would
not be so ignorant on these matters. On technical matters, it is
better to remain quiet and let Uncle handle it. After all, he
knows everything, and he IS a Hiwayan. Yoose NOT.
Yeah, I skipped that class in high school and opted for American
History.
~
I used to vote a mixed ticket.
I don't see that changing in my lifetime
atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> posted:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:20:16 GMT, dsi1 wrote:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:Here in Texas it definitely gets very hot and humid around this
On 2026-07-25 11:18 a.m., dsi1 wrote:That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold
It certainly should, better than cooking oil, but I don't
speak from experience.
The idea of using rendered animal fat in cooking is repulsive
to some people. OTOH, I had some pomme frites cooked in tallow
and it was pretty tasty. I won't use animal fat in cooking but
I suppose I don't mind eating the stuff.
Apparently potatoes roasted in duck or goose fat are amazing.
May be it is my Anglo and European ancestry that exposed me to
so many dinners where a large piece of meat was roasted in an
oven and potatoes, carrots and onions were thrown into the pan
to roast. It is not at all repulsive. Animal fat is an important
component of the diet for people in a cold climate.
climes like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen
is not a problem. Using the gas oven in our house was pretty
unpleasant - it was a hot and humid place.
time of year.
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive
peoples and cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes
welcomed. But I have no idea about the efficiency of a countertop
appliance when it comes to baking a cake vs. the full-size oven.
~
It works fine for an 11 X 13 cake pan - if you have a model that can
handle that size. I love the model we got, I don't bother pre-heating
the oven. I stick the pan in and turn it on. Pre-heating an oven is a
real drag.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LgUxsZx12QGLicAg6
One candidate has a sight with her photo, party, and such but in
addition is says "endorsed by President Trump" When I get the
ballot, easy choice, her opponent gets my vote.
On 2026-07-26, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> posted:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote on 7/25/2026 4:10 PM:
If yoose were a trained electrical engineer like Uncle, yoose would not >> be so ignorant on these matters. On technical matters, it is better to >> remain quiet and let Uncle handle it. After all, he knows everything,
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes welcomed. >> > But I have no idea about the efficiency of a countertop appliance when it
comes to baking a cake vs. the full-size oven.
and he IS a Hiwayan. Yoose NOT.
Yeah, I skipped that class in high school and opted for American History.
Heh. Good one. American History was required in my high school.
On 2026-07-26, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> posted:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote on 7/25/2026 4:10 PM:
If yoose were a trained electrical engineer like Uncle, yoose would not >> be so ignorant on these matters. On technical matters, it is better to >> remain quiet and let Uncle handle it. After all, he knows everything,
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes welcomed. >> > But I have no idea about the efficiency of a countertop appliance when it
comes to baking a cake vs. the full-size oven.
and he IS a Hiwayan. Yoose NOT.
Yeah, I skipped that class in high school and opted for American History.
Heh. Good one. American History was required in my high school.
On 2026-07-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 09:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I'm tired of hearing you moan about how hot and humid your weather is.
Today's forecast for Kaneohe:
High of 80, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Ann Arbor:
High of 86, humidity 57%
Today's forecast for Houston:
High of 95, humidity 60%
atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> posted:
On 2026-07-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 09:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I'm tired of hearing you moan about how hot and humid your
weather is.
Today's forecast for Kaneohe:
High of 80, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Ann Arbor:
High of 86, humidity 57%
Today's forecast for Houston:
High of 95, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Nashville:
High of 93ø, humidity 73%
~
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes welcomed. But I have no idea about the efficiency of a countertop appliance when it comes to baking a cake vs. the full-size oven.
It works fine for an 11 X 13 cake pan - if you have a model that can handle that
size. I love the model we got, I don't bother pre-heating the oven. I stick the
pan in and turn it on. Pre-heating an oven is a real drag.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LgUxsZx12QGLicAg6
atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> posted:
On 2026-07-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 09:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I'm tired of hearing you moan about how hot and humid your weather is.
Today's forecast for Kaneohe:
High of 80, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Ann Arbor:
High of 86, humidity 57%
Today's forecast for Houston:
High of 95, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Nashville:
High of 93ø, humidity 73%
On 2026-07-26, atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> wrote:
Today's forecast for Houston:
High of 95, humidity 60%
Thanks. I figured people who are experiencing actual heat
would weigh in. 86 is pretty typical for this time of year.
If we'd had this discusion on July 1, I could have reported
a high of 96.
If we'd had this discussion on July 17, I could have reported
an air quality of "Hazardous"
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
Heh. Good one. American History was required in my high school.
Yeah, I skipped that class in high school and opted for American History. >>
On 2026-07-26 2:05 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
Yeah, I skipped that class in high school and opted for American History. >>>Heh. Good one. American History was required in my high school.
It's been a long time since I was in high school but we had compulsory >courses and electives. IIRC English, French, Math, History and Science
and PhysEd were compulsory. Electives seemed to depend on the grade, and
we had Gr.13 back then. They included Art, Music,Latin,Geography,Shop
for boys, Home Ec for girls and typing. In the higher grades they
offered Spanish, German, Math A and Math B, Biology, Chemistry and Physics.
To the best of my memory, Gr.9 history was ancient history. Gr.10 was >Canadian History, From Gr 11 on is was world history.
On 2026-07-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> posted:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:20:16 GMT, dsi1 wrote:
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold climesHere in Texas it definitely gets very hot and humid around this time of >> year.
like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is not a
problem. Using the gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant - it was >> > a hot and humid place.
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive peoples and cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
I'm tired of hearing you moan about how hot and humid your weather is.
Today's forecast for Kaneohe:
High of 80, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Ann Arbor:
High of 86, humidity 57%
On 2026-07-26 2:05 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
Yeah, I skipped that class in high school and opted for American
History.
Heh.ÿ Good one.ÿ American History was required in my high school.
It's been a long time since I was in high school but we had compulsory courses and electives. IIRC English, French, Math, History and Science
and PhysEd were compulsory. Electives seemed to depend on the grade, and
we had Gr.13 back then. They included Art, Music,Latin,Geography,Shop
for boys, Home Ec for girls and typing. In the higher grades they
offered Spanish, German, Math A and Math B, Biology, Chemistry and Physics.
To the best of my memory, Gr.9 history was ancient history. Gr.10 was Canadian History,ÿ From Gr 11 on is was world history.
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 23:36:16 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> posted:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:20:16 GMT, dsi1 wrote:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-07-25 11:18 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
It certainly should, better than cooking oil, but I don't
speak from experience.
The idea of using rendered animal fat in cooking is repulsive
to some people. OTOH, I had some pomme frites cooked in tallow
and it was pretty tasty. I won't use animal fat in cooking but
I suppose I don't mind eating the stuff.
Apparently potatoes roasted in duck or goose fat are amazing.
May be it is my Anglo and European ancestry that exposed me to
so many dinners where a large piece of meat was roasted in an
oven and potatoes, carrots and onions were thrown into the pan
to roast. It is not at all repulsive. Animal fat is an important
component of the diet for people in a cold climate.
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold
climes like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen
is not a problem. Using the gas oven in our house was pretty
unpleasant - it was a hot and humid place.
Here in Texas it definitely gets very hot and humid around this
time of year.
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive
peoples and cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
+1
Great channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNeH3MntjN8
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive peoples and >> > cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
I'm tired of hearing you moan about how hot and humid your weather is.
Today's forecast for Kaneohe:
High of 80, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Ann Arbor:
High of 86, humidity 57%
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - big deal. I'm talking
about the all gas kitchen where I grew up in Kailua. In Kaneohe, things are >cooler. Heat is not that big of a problem. The problem I have is that when I cook
chilies people start choking and coughing. If we didn't have cats, I'd just open
the doors when I cook. We'll probably move back into the family home in Kailua
I'd sure like an outdoor cooking arangement. I can make that happen too.
Minden <nev@a.da> posted:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 23:36:16 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> posted:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:20:16 GMT, dsi1 wrote:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-07-25 11:18 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
It certainly should, better than cooking oil, but I don't
speak from experience.
The idea of using rendered animal fat in cooking is
repulsive to some people. OTOH, I had some pomme frites
cooked in tallow and it was pretty tasty. I won't use
animal fat in cooking but I suppose I don't mind eating
the stuff.
Apparently potatoes roasted in duck or goose fat are amazing.
May be it is my Anglo and European ancestry that exposed me
to so many dinners where a large piece of meat was roasted
in an oven and potatoes, carrots and onions were thrown into
the pan to roast. It is not at all repulsive. Animal fat is
an important component of the diet for people in a cold
climate.
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold
climes like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the
kitchen is not a problem. Using the gas oven in our house was
pretty unpleasant - it was a hot and humid place.
Here in Texas it definitely gets very hot and humid around this
time of year.
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive
peoples and cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
+1
Great channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNeH3MntjN8
That was a pretty good show. I'm going to have to make the
chilaquiles. Thanks.
On 2026-07-26 1:14 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
To the best of my memory, Gr.9 history was ancient history. Gr.10 wasOur history syllabus finished before the 1st War, because, I suppose,
Canadian History,ÿ From Gr 11 on is was world history.
there were still too many survivors and it was still controversial.
It was later that I read up on the origins of the war.
Thanks. I figured people who are experiencing actual heat
would weigh in. 86 is pretty typical for this time of year.
On 2026-07-26 3:37 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2026-07-26 1:14 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
To the best of my memory, Gr.9 history was ancient history. Gr.10 wasOur history syllabus finished before the 1st War, because, I suppose,
Canadian History,ÿ From Gr 11 on is was world history.
there were still too many survivors and it was still controversial.
It was later that I read up on the origins of the war.
I have read a lot about it and it was a complicated affair and had a lot
to do with three major powers allying themselves to protect the status
quo, which was basically protecting their realms from upstarts like
Germany, and trying to deal with the power vacuum in the Balkans as the Ottoman Empire collapsed.
I hear more and more controversy about WWII and people turning on the
Allies because of the harsh conditions the Allies forced on Germany when
it lost the war that it had started. They whine about the loss of
territory and the reparations it was forced to pay. Those people seem to
be unaware of the harsh terms Germany had forced on France after the
Franco Prussian War.
Cindy Hamilton wrote :
Thanks. I figured people who are experiencing actual heat
would weigh in. 86 is pretty typical for this time of year.
At 2:00pm
air temp 95F
dew point 80F
humidity 62%
heat index 115F
Forecast for the day
air temp 98F
dew point 80F
humidity 56%
heat index 117
And get this - the overnight low is forecast to be 80F
Hawaii sounds pretty inviting!
On 2026-07-26 3:37 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2026-07-26 1:14 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
To the best of my memory, Gr.9 history was ancient history. Gr.10 wasOur history syllabus finished before the 1st War, because, I suppose,
Canadian History,ÿ From Gr 11 on is was world history.
there were still too many survivors and it was still controversial.
It was later that I read up on the origins of the war.
I have read a lot about it and it was a complicated affair and had a lot
to do with three major powers allying themselves to protect the status
quo, which was basically protecting their realms from upstarts like
Germany, and trying to deal with the power vacuum in the Balkans as the >Ottoman Empire collapsed.
I hear more and more controversy about WWII and people turning on the
Allies because of the harsh conditions the Allies forced on Germany when
it lost the war that it had started. They whine about the loss of
territory and the reparations it was forced to pay. Those people seem to
be unaware of the harsh terms Germany had forced on France after the
Franco Prussian War.
On 7/26/2026 3:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2026-07-26 3:37 p.m., Graham wrote:I've been watching the WW II series on History channel. Learned much
On 2026-07-26 1:14 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
To the best of my memory, Gr.9 history was ancient history. Gr.10 was >>>> Canadian History,ÿ From Gr 11 on is was world history.Our history syllabus finished before the 1st War, because, I suppose,
there were still too many survivors and it was still controversial.
It was later that I read up on the origins of the war.
I have read a lot about it and it was a complicated affair and had a lot
to do with three major powers allying themselves to protect the status
quo, which was basically protecting their realms from upstarts like
Germany, and trying to deal with the power vacuum in the Balkans as the
Ottoman Empire collapsed.
I hear more and more controversy about WWII and people turning on the
Allies because of the harsh conditions the Allies forced on Germany when
it lost the war that it had started. They whine about the loss of
territory and the reparations it was forced to pay. Those people seem to
be unaware of the harsh terms Germany had forced on France after the
Franco Prussian War.
more from it than school books.
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 19:36:53 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive peoples and
cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
I'm tired of hearing you moan about how hot and humid your weather is.
Today's forecast for Kaneohe:
High of 80, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Ann Arbor:
High of 86, humidity 57%
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - big deal. I'm talking
about the all gas kitchen where I grew up in Kailua. In Kaneohe, things are >cooler. Heat is not that big of a problem. The problem I have is that when I cook
chilies people start choking and coughing. If we didn't have cats, I'd just open
the doors when I cook. We'll probably move back into the family home in Kailua
I'd sure like an outdoor cooking arangement. I can make that happen too.
Aren't you moving to the ugliest city on the mainland anymore, with
all the other Hiawathas?
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - big deal. I'm talkingPeople like me, eh?
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 19:36:53 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - big deal. I'm talkingAren't you moving to the ugliest city on the mainland anymore, with
about the all gas kitchen where I grew up in Kailua. In Kaneohe, things are
cooler. Heat is not that big of a problem. The problem I have is that when I cook
chilies people start choking and coughing. If we didn't have cats, I'd just open
the doors when I cook. We'll probably move back into the family home in Kailua
I'd sure like an outdoor cooking arangement. I can make that happen too. >>
all the other Hiawathas?
Why would you think that I would want to live in a desert? The place we live now
is one of the greenest and coolest spots (but not cold) in the state. Sooner or
later, we'll probably move to Kailua, where I grew up. Kailua is dryer, hotter,
and kind of a tourist town but no can help. My wife dreams of living in Kailua
but I think the place sucks. I'd certainly like to move to some foreign land - >preferably where they speak English.
David, there are no people like me.
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> posted:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:20:16 GMT, dsi1 wrote:
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold climes >>>>> like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the kitchen is not aHere in Texas it definitely gets very hot and humid around this time of >>>> year.
problem. Using the gas oven in our house was pretty unpleasant - it was >>>>> a hot and humid place.
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive peoples and >>> cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
I'm tired of hearing you moan about how hot and humid your weather is.
Today's forecast for Kaneohe:
High of 80, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Ann Arbor:
High of 86, humidity 57%
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - big deal. I'm talking
about the all gas kitchen where I grew up in Kailua. In Kaneohe, things are cooler. Heat is not that big of a problem. The problem I have is that when I cook
chilies people start choking and coughing. If we didn't have cats, I'd just open
the doors when I cook. We'll probably move back into the family home in Kailua
I'd sure like an outdoor cooking arangement. I can make that happen too.
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 16:00:59 -0400, "EdP <esp"@snet. wrote:
On 7/26/2026 3:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2026-07-26 3:37 p.m., Graham wrote:I've been watching the WW II series on History channel. Learned much
On 2026-07-26 1:14 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
To the best of my memory, Gr.9 history was ancient history. Gr.10 was >>>>> Canadian History,ÿ From Gr 11 on is was world history.Our history syllabus finished before the 1st War, because, I suppose,
there were still too many survivors and it was still controversial.
It was later that I read up on the origins of the war.
I have read a lot about it and it was a complicated affair and had a lot >>> to do with three major powers allying themselves to protect the status
quo, which was basically protecting their realms from upstarts like
Germany, and trying to deal with the power vacuum in the Balkans as the
Ottoman Empire collapsed.
I hear more and more controversy about WWII and people turning on the
Allies because of the harsh conditions the Allies forced on Germany when >>> it lost the war that it had started. They whine about the loss of
territory and the reparations it was forced to pay. Those people seem to >>> be unaware of the harsh terms Germany had forced on France after the
Franco Prussian War.
more from it than school books.
I've forgotten more about WW2 than I ever knew.
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 19:36:53 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive peoples and
cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
I'm tired of hearing you moan about how hot and humid your weather is. >>>>
Today's forecast for Kaneohe:
High of 80, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Ann Arbor:
High of 86, humidity 57%
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - big deal. I'm talking
about the all gas kitchen where I grew up in Kailua. In Kaneohe, things are >>> cooler. Heat is not that big of a problem. The problem I have is that when I cook
chilies people start choking and coughing. If we didn't have cats, I'd just open
the doors when I cook. We'll probably move back into the family home in Kailua
I'd sure like an outdoor cooking arangement. I can make that happen too.
Aren't you moving to the ugliest city on the mainland anymore, with
all the other Hiawathas?
Why would you think that I would want to live in a desert? The place we live now
is one of the greenest and coolest spots (but not cold) in the state. Sooner or
later, we'll probably move to Kailua, where I grew up. Kailua is dryer, hotter,
and kind of a tourist town but no can help. My wife dreams of living in Kailua
but I think the place sucks. I'd certainly like to move to some foreign land -
preferably where they speak English.
On 2026-07-26, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - big deal. I'm talkingPeople like me, eh?
David, there are no people like me.
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-26, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:People like you always say stuff like that.
People like me, eh?
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - big deal. I'm talking
David, there are no people like me.
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 21:25:20 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 19:36:53 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - big deal. I'm talkingAren't you moving to the ugliest city on the mainland anymore, with
about the all gas kitchen where I grew up in Kailua. In Kaneohe, things are
cooler. Heat is not that big of a problem. The problem I have is that when I cook
chilies people start choking and coughing. If we didn't have cats, I'd just open
the doors when I cook. We'll probably move back into the family home in Kailua
I'd sure like an outdoor cooking arangement. I can make that happen too. >>
all the other Hiawathas?
Why would you think that I would want to live in a desert? The place we live now
is one of the greenest and coolest spots (but not cold) in the state. Sooner or
later, we'll probably move to Kailua, where I grew up. Kailua is dryer, hotter,
and kind of a tourist town but no can help. My wife dreams of living in Kailua
but I think the place sucks. I'd certainly like to move to some foreign land -
preferably where they speak English.
I thought you wanted to live in the desert because you told us you
wanted to live in the desert.
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 21:25:20 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 19:36:53 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - big deal. I'm talkingAren't you moving to the ugliest city on the mainland anymore, with
about the all gas kitchen where I grew up in Kailua. In Kaneohe, things are
cooler. Heat is not that big of a problem. The problem I have is that when I cook
chilies people start choking and coughing. If we didn't have cats, I'd just open
the doors when I cook. We'll probably move back into the family home in Kailua
I'd sure like an outdoor cooking arangement. I can make that happen too. >>>>
all the other Hiawathas?
Why would you think that I would want to live in a desert? The place we live now
is one of the greenest and coolest spots (but not cold) in the state. Sooner or
later, we'll probably move to Kailua, where I grew up. Kailua is dryer, hotter,
and kind of a tourist town but no can help. My wife dreams of living in Kailua
but I think the place sucks. I'd certainly like to move to some foreign land -
preferably where they speak English.
I thought you wanted to live in the desert because you told us you
wanted to live in the desert.
I've never said that I wanted to live in the desert. That's just something you
assumed, hallucinated. I do say that da Hawaiians love to go to Las Vegas and some people have moved there. That has nothing to do with me. Da young kanakas
are moving to the mainland so they can do things like own a home and eat food.
That means going to places with a lower cost of living - places like Nevada, Arizona, Texas, etc. We never moved to the mainland for lower prices, we moved
there because we were hungry for a new life. Doing the same old thing is boring.
Of course, once you have kids, moving around gets cumbersome.
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
I thought you wanted to live in the desert because you told us you
wanted to live in the desert.
I've never said that I wanted to live in the desert. That's just something you >assumed, hallucinated. I do say that da Hawaiians love to go to Las Vegas and >some people have moved there. That has nothing to do with me. Da young kanakas
are moving to the mainland so they can do things like own a home and eat food.
That means going to places with a lower cost of living - places like Nevada, >Arizona, Texas, etc. We never moved to the mainland for lower prices, we moved
there because we were hungry for a new life. Doing the same old thing is boring.
Of course, once you have kids, moving around gets cumbersome.
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 19:41:35 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Minden <nev@a.da> posted:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 23:36:16 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
atomicquack <khoimmai@hotmail.com> posted:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 16:20:16 GMT, dsi1 wrote:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-07-25 11:18 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
It certainly should, better than cooking oil, but I don't
speak from experience.
The idea of using rendered animal fat in cooking is
repulsive to some people. OTOH, I had some pomme frites
cooked in tallow and it was pretty tasty. I won't use
animal fat in cooking but I suppose I don't mind eating
the stuff.
Apparently potatoes roasted in duck or goose fat are amazing.
May be it is my Anglo and European ancestry that exposed me
to so many dinners where a large piece of meat was roasted
in an oven and potatoes, carrots and onions were thrown into
the pan to roast. It is not at all repulsive. Animal fat is
an important component of the diet for people in a cold
climate.
That's the problem - it's too hot here. Perhaps people in cold
climes like to use their oven a lot i.e., heating up the
kitchen is not a problem. Using the gas oven in our house was
pretty unpleasant - it was a hot and humid place.
Here in Texas it definitely gets very hot and humid around this
time of year.
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive
peoples and cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
+1
Great channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNeH3MntjN8
That was a pretty good show. I'm going to have to make the
chilaquiles. Thanks.
:-)
Rock on.
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 23:30:50 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
I thought you wanted to live in the desert because you told us you
wanted to live in the desert.
I've never said that I wanted to live in the desert. That's just something you
assumed, hallucinated. I do say that da Hawaiians love to go to Las Vegas and
some people have moved there. That has nothing to do with me. Da young kanakas
are moving to the mainland so they can do things like own a home and eat food.
That means going to places with a lower cost of living - places like Nevada,
Arizona, Texas, etc. We never moved to the mainland for lower prices, we moved
there because we were hungry for a new life. Doing the same old thing is boring.
Of course, once you have kids, moving around gets cumbersome.
Hey, it's ok to change your mind. So you don't want to leave Hawaii
anymore. That's your business.
Lunch today was a burger. Dehydrated onions were cooked with water, shoyu,
ketchup, sugar, and Worcestershire sauce and cooked down to make an onion jam.
It was pretty tasty. My granddaughter got a Bundt cake from her gammy.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wmos5drWvsqPYFqS9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/2Trc2xPCxgRip8xD8
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
Heh. Good one. American History was required in my high school.
Mine, too; I was being facetious. German history was not a class that was offered, World History, yes, but the history of a specific country, no.
It works fine for an 11 X 13 cake pan - if you have a model that can handle that
size. I love the model we got, I don't bother pre-heating the oven. I stick the
pan in and turn it on. Pre-heating an oven is a real drag.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LgUxsZx12QGLicAg6
Cindy Hamilton wrote :
Thanks. I figured people who are experiencing actual heat
would weigh in. 86 is pretty typical for this time of year.
At 2:00pm
air temp 95F
dew point 80F
humidity 62%
heat index 115F
Forecast for the day
air temp 98F
dew point 80F
humidity 56%
heat index 117
And get this - the overnight low is forecast to be 80F
Hawaii sounds pretty inviting!
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 23:30:50 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
I thought you wanted to live in the desert because you told us you
wanted to live in the desert.
I've never said that I wanted to live in the desert. That's just something you
assumed, hallucinated. I do say that da Hawaiians love to go to Las Vegas and
some people have moved there. That has nothing to do with me. Da young kanakas
are moving to the mainland so they can do things like own a home and eat food.
That means going to places with a lower cost of living - places like Nevada,
Arizona, Texas, etc. We never moved to the mainland for lower prices, we moved
there because we were hungry for a new life. Doing the same old thing is boring.
Of course, once you have kids, moving around gets cumbersome.
Hey, it's ok to change your mind. So you don't want to leave Hawaii
anymore. That's your business.
I never said that I don't want to leave Hawaii nor did I "change my mind." I have
absolutely no interest in your life or opinions. Please follow suit and mind your
own business.
On 2026-07-26, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
Heh. Good one. American History was required in my high school.
Mine, too; I was being facetious. German history was not a class that was >> offered, World History, yes, but the history of a specific country, no.
Nowadays, one can get a doctorate on the history of one county in one
state and wonder why they aren't richly rewarded when they graduate.
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't) and
Winston Churchill's six book series on the times (I have, 2 1/2 times). >Winston was even awarded a Nobel Prize for his work.
I still have his books. I doubt anyone else will ever read them again. >Winston was a helluva guy, a mover and a shaker.
Oh, and he had Leonard in his name!
Joan and you are the modern equivalent of 1930s German Nazi
supporters. Youse aren't evil people, youse are just too dumb to poop.
On 2026-07-27, Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Joan and you are the modern equivalent of 1930s German Nazi
supporters. Youse aren't evil people, youse are just too dumb to poop.
Either us or you. I'm afraid it's two to one. You lose.
On 2026-07-26, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Mine, too; I was being facetious. German history was not a class that was >> offered, World History, yes, but the history of a specific country, no.
Nowadays, one can get a doctorate on the history of one county in one
state and wonder why they aren't richly rewarded when they graduate.
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
Winston Churchill's six book series on the times (I have, 2 1/2 times). Winston was even awarded a Nobel Prize for his work.
I still have his books. I doubt anyone else will ever read them again. Winston was a helluva guy, a mover and a shaker.
Oh, and he had Leonard in his name!
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 21:25:20 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 19:36:53 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - big
deal. I'm talking about the all gas kitchen where I grew up in
Kailua. In Kaneohe, things are cooler. Heat is not that big of
a problem. The problem I have is that when I cook chilies
people start choking and coughing. If we didn't have cats, I'd
just open the doors when I cook. We'll probably move back into
the family home in Kailua I'd sure like an outdoor cooking
arangement. I can make that happen too.
Aren't you moving to the ugliest city on the mainland anymore,
with all the other Hiawathas?
Why would you think that I would want to live in a desert? The
place we live now is one of the greenest and coolest spots (but
not cold) in the state. Sooner or later, we'll probably move to
Kailua, where I grew up. Kailua is dryer, hotter, and kind of a
tourist town but no can help. My wife dreams of living in Kailua
but I think the place sucks. I'd certainly like to move to some
foreign land - preferably where they speak English.
I thought you wanted to live in the desert because you told us you
wanted to live in the desert.
I've never said that I wanted to live in the desert. That's just
something you assumed, hallucinated. I do say that da Hawaiians love
to go to Las Vegas and some people have moved there. That has nothing
to do with me.
Da young kanakas are moving to the mainland so they
can do things like own a home and eat food. That means going to
places with a lower cost of living - places like Nevada, Arizona,
Texas, etc. We never moved to the mainland for lower prices, we moved
there because we were hungry for a new life. Doing the same old thing
is boring. Of course, once you have kids, moving around gets
cumbersome.
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-26, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - bigPeople like me, eh?
deal. I'm talking
David, there are no people like me.People like you always say stuff like that.
On 2026-07-26, heyjoe <address@is.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote :
Thanks. I figured people who are experiencing actual heat
would weigh in. 86 is pretty typical for this time of year.
At 2:00pm
air temp 95F
dew point 80F
humidity 62%
heat index 115F
Forecast for the day
air temp 98F
dew point 80F
humidity 56%
heat index 117
And get this - the overnight low is forecast to be 80F
Hawaii sounds pretty inviting!
Where I live, we suffer from low humidity. We walk around naked all
day, sweat, and our bodies function as swamp coolers.
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 19:36:53 GMT, dsi1
<user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
One of these days, I'll have an outdoor kitchen like primitive
peoples and cheap production budget TV programs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsKRADSWj6c
I'm tired of hearing you moan about how hot and humid your
weather is.
Today's forecast for Kaneohe:
High of 80, humidity 60%
Today's forecast for Ann Arbor:
High of 86, humidity 57%
People like you always have a low tolerance for things - big deal.
I'm talking about the all gas kitchen where I grew up in Kailua.
In Kaneohe, things are cooler. Heat is not that big of a problem.
The problem I have is that when I cook chilies people start
choking and coughing. If we didn't have cats, I'd just open the
doors when I cook. We'll probably move back into the family home
in Kailua I'd sure like an outdoor cooking arangement. I can make
that happen too.
Aren't you moving to the ugliest city on the mainland anymore, with
all the other Hiawathas?
Why would you think that I would want to live in a desert? The place
we live now is one of the greenest and coolest spots (but not cold)
in the state. Sooner or later, we'll probably move to Kailua, where I
grew up. Kailua is dryer, hotter, and kind of a tourist town but no
can help. My wife dreams of living in Kailua but I think the place
sucks. I'd certainly like to move to some foreign land - preferably
where they speak English.
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne wrote on 7/26/2026 3:43 PM:y.
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 16:00:59 -0400, "EdP <esp"@snet. wrote:
On 7/26/2026 3:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2026-07-26 3:37 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2026-07-26 1:14 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
To the best of my memory, Gr.9 history was ancient history.
Gr.10 was Canadian History,ÿ From Gr 11 on is was world histor
I've been watching the WW II series on History channel. LearnedOur history syllabus finished before the 1st War, because, I
suppose, there were still too many survivors and it was still
controversial. It was later that I read up on the origins of the
war.
I have read a lot about it and it was a complicated affair and
had a lot to do with three major powers allying themselves to
protect the status quo, which was basically protecting their
realms from upstarts like Germany, and trying to deal with the
power vacuum in the Balkans as the Ottoman Empire collapsed.
I hear more and more controversy about WWII and people turning on
the Allies because of the harsh conditions the Allies forced on
Germany when it lost the war that it had started. They whine
about the loss of territory and the reparations it was forced to
pay. Those people seem to be unaware of the harsh terms Germany
had forced on France after the Franco Prussian War.
much more from it than school books.
I've forgotten more about WW2 than I ever knew.
We may get to re-live it soon.
When enough pressure builds up, the volcano erupts.
David, there are no people like me.
Lunch today was a burger. Dehydrated onions were cooked with water,
shoyu, ketchup, sugar, and Worcestershire sauce and cooked down to
make an onion jam. It was pretty tasty. My granddaughter got a Bundt
cake from her gammy.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wmos5drWvsqPYFqS9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/2Trc2xPCxgRip8xD8
Nowadays, one can get a doctorate on the history of one county in one
state and wonder why they aren't richly rewarded when they graduate.
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't) and
Winston Churchill's six book series on the times (I have, 2 1/2 times). Winston was even awarded a Nobel Prize for his work.
I still have his books. I doubt anyone else will ever read them again. Winston was a helluva guy, a mover and a shaker.
Oh, and he had Leonard in his name!
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 03:48:39 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes
welcomed. But I have no idea about the efficiency of a countertop appliance when it comes to baking a cake vs. the full-size oven.
~
It works fine for an 11 X 13 cake pan - if you have a model that can
handle that size. I love the model we got, I don't bother pre-heating
the oven. I stick the pan in and turn it on. Pre-heating an oven is a
real drag.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LgUxsZx12QGLicAg6
OK on the cookies, but what about cake...or bread?
Minden <nev@a.da> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 03:48:39 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
posted:
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes welcomed. But I have no idea about the efficiency of a
countertop appliance when it comes to baking a cake vs. the
full-size oven.
~
It works fine for an 11 X 13 cake pan - if you have a model that
can handle that size. I love the model we got, I don't bother
pre-heating the oven. I stick the pan in and turn it on.
Pre-heating an oven is a real drag.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LgUxsZx12QGLicAg6
OK on the cookies, but what about cake...or bread?
Bread works fine. I've made jalapeno bread. I don't even need no
stinkin' recipe. I'll probably make bata mochi with the grandkids
today. It should be pretty epic.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/e35RzkqyCdQn58UG7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/G8kAArhcc8FgXZuZA
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 21:50:38 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Minden <nev@a.da> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 03:48:39 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
posted:
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes
welcomed. But I have no idea about the efficiency of a
countertop appliance when it comes to baking a cake vs. the
full-size oven.
~
It works fine for an 11 X 13 cake pan - if you have a model that
can handle that size. I love the model we got, I don't bother
pre-heating the oven. I stick the pan in and turn it on.
Pre-heating an oven is a real drag.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LgUxsZx12QGLicAg6
OK on the cookies, but what about cake...or bread?
Bread works fine. I've made jalapeno bread. I don't even need no
stinkin' recipe. I'll probably make bata mochi with the grandkids
today. It should be pretty epic.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/e35RzkqyCdQn58UG7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/G8kAArhcc8FgXZuZA
Loafing along...
That's good enough for anyone - of course a bread machine has an even
smaller "oven" and it tends to do well too.
I guess I've seem too many pics of toast that cooked unevenly.
Apples/oranges.
Oh and how about some sausage buns?
https://youtu.be/R-OesobvPCA
:-P
On 2026-07-26, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
It works fine for an 11 X 13 cake pan - if you have a model that can handle that
size. I love the model we got, I don't bother pre-heating the oven. I stick the
pan in and turn it on. Pre-heating an oven is a real drag.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LgUxsZx12QGLicAg6
On June 12th, it was 350 degrees at your house? You're a better man than
I am.
On 7/26/2026 10:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
Lunch today was a burger. Dehydrated onions were cooked with water, shoyu,
ketchup, sugar, and Worcestershire sauce and cooked down to make an onion jam.
It was pretty tasty. My granddaughter got a Bundt cake from her gammy.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wmos5drWvsqPYFqS9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/2Trc2xPCxgRip8xD8
Have you ever thought about tr
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 02:56:33 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Lunch today was a burger. Dehydrated onions were cooked with water,
shoyu, ketchup, sugar, and Worcestershire sauce and cooked down to
make an onion jam. It was pretty tasty. My granddaughter got a Bundt
cake from her gammy.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wmos5drWvsqPYFqS9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/2Trc2xPCxgRip8xD8
Umamai and neon food, what's not to like?
We eat with our eyes and those pass the test.
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 21:50:38 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Minden <nev@a.da> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 03:48:39 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
posted:
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and sometimes
welcomed. But I have no idea about the efficiency of a
countertop appliance when it comes to baking a cake vs. the
full-size oven.
~
It works fine for an 11 X 13 cake pan - if you have a model that
can handle that size. I love the model we got, I don't bother
pre-heating the oven. I stick the pan in and turn it on.
Pre-heating an oven is a real drag.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LgUxsZx12QGLicAg6
OK on the cookies, but what about cake...or bread?
Bread works fine. I've made jalapeno bread. I don't even need no
stinkin' recipe. I'll probably make bata mochi with the grandkids
today. It should be pretty epic.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/e35RzkqyCdQn58UG7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/G8kAArhcc8FgXZuZA
Loafing along...
That's good enough for anyone - of course a bread machine has an even
smaller "oven" and it tends to do well too.
I guess I've seem too many pics of toast that cooked unevenly.
Apples/oranges.
Oh and how about some sausage buns?
https://youtu.be/R-OesobvPCA
:-P
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:07:16 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
Careful, Leo's fact intolerant.
In article <18c66680f4a20285$13825$874455$4296dcc3 >@news.newsgroupdirect.com>, restif@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:07:16 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
Careful, Leo's fact intolerant.
He probably believes WW2 started in 1941.
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
Janet UK
In article <18c66680f4a20285$13825$874455$4296dcc3 @news.newsgroupdirect.com>, restif@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:07:16 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>, >leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
Careful, Leo's fact intolerant.
He probably believes WW2 started in 1941.
Janet UK
Janet <nobody@home.com> posted:
In article <18c66680f4a20285$13825$874455$4296dcc3
@news.newsgroupdirect.com>, restif@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:07:16 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
Careful, Leo's fact intolerant.
He probably believes WW2 started in 1941.
Janet UK
It did for the USA.
On 2026-07-28, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Janet <nobody@home.com> posted:
In article <18c66680f4a20285$13825$874455$4296dcc3
@news.newsgroupdirect.com>, restif@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:07:16 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com>
wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I
haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
Careful, Leo's fact intolerant.
He probably believes WW2 started in 1941.
Janet UK
It did for the USA.
Unless you count the Lend/Lease program, the Eagle Squadrons, and
anybody here who had relatives in Europe or east Asia. There
probably was more stuff, but those three came to mind first.
Here's some butter mochi cooked in the air fryer.
Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> posted:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 02:56:33 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Lunch today was a burger. Dehydrated onions were cooked with
water, shoyu, ketchup, sugar, and Worcestershire sauce and cooked
down to make an onion jam. It was pretty tasty. My granddaughter
got a Bundt cake from her gammy.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wmos5drWvsqPYFqS9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/2Trc2xPCxgRip8xD8
Umamai and neon food, what's not to like?
We eat with our eyes and those pass the test.
That's a cotton candy bundt cake. It's not really my thing.
Gammy
does make a wonderful banana bread. I thought I made a great banana
bread but she makes it better than me. Oh well. Gammy also makes an
orange, mango, and guava, bundt. Of course, it's called an OMG cake.
Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> posted:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 21:50:38 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Minden <nev@a.da> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 03:48:39 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
posted:
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and
sometimes welcomed. But I have no idea about the efficiency
of a countertop appliance when it comes to baking a cake
vs. the full-size oven.
~
It works fine for an 11 X 13 cake pan - if you have a model
that can handle that size. I love the model we got, I don't
bother pre-heating the oven. I stick the pan in and turn it
on. Pre-heating an oven is a real drag.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LgUxsZx12QGLicAg6
OK on the cookies, but what about cake...or bread?
Bread works fine. I've made jalapeno bread. I don't even need no
stinkin' recipe. I'll probably make bata mochi with the grandkids
today. It should be pretty epic.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/e35RzkqyCdQn58UG7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/G8kAArhcc8FgXZuZA
Loafing along...
That's good enough for anyone - of course a bread machine has an
even smaller "oven" and it tends to do well too.
I guess I've seem too many pics of toast that cooked unevenly.
Apples/oranges.
Oh and how about some sausage buns?
https://youtu.be/R-OesobvPCA
:-P
My daughter used to make those for her kid for a while. I could go
for one right now!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/yXMvWAAu4zUriGcb6
Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:
On 2026-07-26, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
It works fine for an 11 X 13 cake pan - if you have a model that
can handle that size. I love the model we got, I don't bother
pre-heating the oven. I stick the pan in and turn it on.
Pre-heating an oven is a real drag.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LgUxsZx12QGLicAg6
On June 12th, it was 350 degrees at your house? You're a better man
than I am.
You might be seeing things that aren't really there. I saw a package
of dental things yesterday. The box said there was a hundred and 4
things in there. That's 8 X 13! That can't be good! When I was eating
at Popeyes, I could see the sign on the other side. It said "NEPO."
Does that seem right to you?
Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> posted:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 21:50:38 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Minden <nev@a.da> posted:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 03:48:39 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
posted:
Yeah, using the oven in the winter is no problem and
sometimes welcomed. But I have no idea about the efficiency
of a countertop appliance when it comes to baking a cake
vs. the full-size oven.
~
It works fine for an 11 X 13 cake pan - if you have a model
that can handle that size. I love the model we got, I don't
bother pre-heating the oven. I stick the pan in and turn it
on. Pre-heating an oven is a real drag.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LgUxsZx12QGLicAg6
OK on the cookies, but what about cake...or bread?
Bread works fine. I've made jalapeno bread. I don't even need no
stinkin' recipe. I'll probably make bata mochi with the grandkids
today. It should be pretty epic.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/e35RzkqyCdQn58UG7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/G8kAArhcc8FgXZuZA
Loafing along...
That's good enough for anyone - of course a bread machine has an
even smaller "oven" and it tends to do well too.
I guess I've seem too many pics of toast that cooked unevenly.
Apples/oranges.
Oh and how about some sausage buns?
https://youtu.be/R-OesobvPCA
:-P
Here's some butter mochi cooked in the air fryer. I sprinkled coconut
on the top. One day, it'll be popular on the mainland. My guess is
that should be by 2046.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/RSa6MPBtnkULrg4x5
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NmvVHdVN4hpdh4YV7
On 2026-07-28, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Janet <nobody@home.com> posted:
In article <18c66680f4a20285$13825$874455$4296dcc3
@news.newsgroupdirect.com>, restif@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:07:16 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
Careful, Leo's fact intolerant.
He probably believes WW2 started in 1941.
Janet UK
It did for the USA.
Unless you count the Lend/Lease program, the Eagle Squadrons, and
anybody here who had relatives in Europe or east Asia. There
probably was more stuff, but those three came to mind first.
On 7/27/2026 6:32 AM, Deep State wrote:
On 7/27/26 01:12, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 16:02:48 -0400, EdP <esp wrote:
I have a new respect for MTG.ÿ She finally started to speak for
herself. I'd possibly vote for her now.
I don't think she changed -- Trump did. It's like Trump 1.0 when
he lost Ann Coulter because he never built the damned wall.
Follow the Renminbi.
President Trump wanted the wall.
We the People Real Republican Taxpayer Patriots wanted the wall.
But the Deep State Democrats didn't.
And here we are.
The wall is a big help and has created jobs.
Craftsman got to make
holes in it, tour guides
On 7/26/2026 2:25 PM, Clawed Dallas wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 14:19:31 -0400
Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 7/26/2026 1:57 PM, Minden wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 09:15:54 -0400
Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
One candidate has a sight with her photo, party, and such but in
addition is says "endorsed by President Trump" When I get the
ballot, easy choice, her opponent gets my vote.
Classic Uniparty slave knee-jerk polarization.
It's so much easier than respectfully researching issues and
positions.
She is a Trump follower/enabler. That is all I need to know. It
tells me how she will handle issues and her position.
The list of former Trump supporters is littered with Rs.
MTG comes right to mind.
https://www.facebook.com/SenatorWhitehouse/videos/more-republicans-are-fed-up-with-trump-than-ever-before-grab-your-popcorn/988784340728557/
https://prri.org/spotlight/trump-favorability-declines-among-republicans-some-religious-groups/
So for you it's just more low effort knee-jerk thinking, as per yourI have a new respect for MTG. She finally started to speak for
usual TDS setting.
herself. I'd possibly vote for her now.
If you dislike living in California so much, might I recommend
moving to Idaho or Montana?
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-28, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
It did for the USA.
Unless you count the Lend/Lease program, the Eagle Squadrons, and
anybody here who had relatives in Europe or east Asia. There
probably was more stuff, but those three came to mind first.
The lend/lease program was not enacted until the spring of 1941. No
battles or attacks were associated with this. So no, it was not the
start of the war for the USA.
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 17:32:08 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-28, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
It did for the USA.
Unless you count the Lend/Lease program, the Eagle Squadrons, and
anybody here who had relatives in Europe or east Asia. There
probably was more stuff, but those three came to mind first.
The lend/lease program was not enacted until the spring of 1941. No >battles or attacks were associated with this. So no, it was not the
start of the war for the USA.
Even if WW2 started in 1941 for the US, would that justify the
statement "WW2 started in 1941"?
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-28, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Janet <nobody@home.com> posted:
In article <18c66680f4a20285$13825$874455$4296dcc3
@news.newsgroupdirect.com>, restif@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:07:16 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
Careful, Leo's fact intolerant.
He probably believes WW2 started in 1941.
Janet UK
It did for the USA.
Unless you count the Lend/Lease program, the Eagle Squadrons, and
anybody here who had relatives in Europe or east Asia. There
probably was more stuff, but those three came to mind first.
The lend/lease program was not enacted until the spring of 1941. No
battles or attacks were associated with this. So no, it was not the
start of the war for the USA.
On 2026-07-28, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-28, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Janet <nobody@home.com> posted:
In article <18c66680f4a20285$13825$874455$4296dcc3
@news.newsgroupdirect.com>, restif@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:07:16 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
Careful, Leo's fact intolerant.
He probably believes WW2 started in 1941.
Janet UK
It did for the USA.
Unless you count the Lend/Lease program, the Eagle Squadrons, and
anybody here who had relatives in Europe or east Asia. There
probably was more stuff, but those three came to mind first.
The lend/lease program was not enacted until the spring of 1941. No battles or attacks were associated with this. So no, it was not the
start of the war for the USA.
As we've seen in Iran, there's more to war than battles.
On 2026-07-28, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-28, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Janet <nobody@home.com> posted:
In article <18c66680f4a20285$13825$874455$4296dcc3
@news.newsgroupdirect.com>, restif@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:07:16 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote: >>>>>>
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't) >>>>>>>It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
Careful, Leo's fact intolerant.
He probably believes WW2 started in 1941.
Janet UK
It did for the USA.
Unless you count the Lend/Lease program, the Eagle Squadrons, and
anybody here who had relatives in Europe or east Asia. There
probably was more stuff, but those three came to mind first.
The lend/lease program was not enacted until the spring of 1941. No
battles or attacks were associated with this. So no, it was not the
start of the war for the USA.
As we've seen in Iran, there's more to war than battles.
On 2026-07-28 5:40 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
As we've seen in Iran, there's more to war than battles.
I don't know what the hell your president was thinking when he figured
he could attack Iran and bring them to their knees. The embarrassed the
hell out of the US when they took over the US embassy and held the staff >hostage for a year and a half. They US got some revenge a few years
later when they fed satellite intelligence to the Iraqis to "calibrate" >their chemical weapon attacks on Iranian positions but that war went on
for 8 years.
Let us not forget that Trump was crowing about how American strikes had >destroyed Iran's navy, air force and anti aircraft defense systems. He
has claimed victory several times but Iran seems to have been quite >successful in inflicting massive damage to American bases all over the
mid East.
His books have been recommended to me as he's touted as being an excellent writer. (He must be to be published and winning the Nobel Prize.)
I did read Albet Speer's "Spandau" and it was well written but I took it with a grain of salt as he was not the innocent guy he claimed to be. Still an engrossing book about his imprisonment and his fellow prisoners.
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
As we've seen in Iran, there's more to war than battles.
I don't know what the hell your president was thinking when he figured
he could attack Iran and bring them to their knees. The embarrassed the
hell out of the US when they took over the US embassy and held the staff hostage for a year and a half. They US got some revenge a few years
later when they fed satellite intelligence to the Iraqis to "calibrate" their chemical weapon attacks on Iranian positions but that war went on
for 8 years.
Let us not forget that Trump was crowing about how American strikes had destroyed Iran's navy, air force and anti aircraft defense systems. He
has claimed victory several times but Iran seems to have been quite successful in inflicting massive damage to American bases all over the
mid East.
On 2026-07-27, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
His books have been recommended to me as he's touted as being an excellent >> writer. (He must be to be published and winning the Nobel Prize.)
If you want to learn the follow-up from WWI to WWII and about Winston's
view on the whole shebang, read the series. Start with "The Gathering
Storm". He was an outstanding writer and a massive contributor to the
Allied victory. After "The Gathering Storm", there are five more books
of the same thickness. ?
On 7/28/2026 6:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
As we've seen in Iran, there's more to war than battles.
I don't know what the hell your president was thinking when he figured
he could attack Iran and bring them to their knees. The embarrassed
the hell out of the US when they took over the US embassy and held the
staff hostage for a year and a half. They US got some revenge a few
years later when they fed satellite intelligence to the Iraqis to
"calibrate" their chemical weapon attacks on Iranian positions but
that war went on for 8 years.
Let us not forget that Trump was crowing about how American strikes
had destroyed Iran's navy, air force and anti aircraft defense
systems. He has claimed victory several times but Iran seems to have
been quite successful in inflicting massive damage to American bases
all over the mid East.
Trump had a plan.ÿ Get rid of the Ayatollah, and that he did.ÿ Once the repressive head of state was gone, the citizens would revolt against who
is left in power, thank Trump for allowing them to become a free
democracy just like the USA.ÿÿ Women would finally be able to ditch the hijab, drive cars and read Cosmopolitan. .
On 2026-07-28 7:16 p.m., Ed P wrote:
On 7/28/2026 6:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
As we've seen in Iran, there's more to war than battles.
I don't know what the hell your president was thinking when he figured
he could attack Iran and bring them to their knees. The embarrassed
the hell out of the US when they took over the US embassy and held the
staff hostage for a year and a half. They US got some revenge a few
years later when they fed satellite intelligence to the Iraqis to
"calibrate" their chemical weapon attacks on Iranian positions but
that war went on for 8 years.
Let us not forget that Trump was crowing about how American strikes
had destroyed Iran's navy, air force and anti aircraft defense
systems. He has claimed victory several times but Iran seems to have
been quite successful in inflicting massive damage to American bases
all over the mid East.
Trump had a plan.ÿ Get rid of the Ayatollah, and that he did.ÿ Once the
repressive head of state was gone, the citizens would revolt against who
is left in power, thank Trump for allowing them to become a free
democracy just like the USA.ÿÿ Women would finally be able to ditch the
hijab, drive cars and read Cosmopolitan. .
Was it his plan or Netanyahoo's?
Women would finally be able to ditch the
hijab, drive cars and read Cosmopolitan. .
I don't know what the hell your president was thinking
On 2026-07-28, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
I don't know what the hell your president was thinking
Think?
He's a narcissist. He thinks anything he tries will be a success.
If it isn't, it's not his fault.
Some of his advisors told him before this started that it would be
a hairball, and he ignored him because he's quite obviously the
smartest one in the room.
Think?
He's a narcissist.
On 2026-07-29 3:05 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
He's a narcissist.ÿ He thinks anything he tries will be a success.And he's childishly obsessed with revenge.
If it isn't, it's not his fault.
Some of his advisors told him before this started that it would be
a hairball, and he ignored him because he's quite obviously the
smartest one in the room.
On 2026-07-29 9:44 a.m., Graham wrote:
On 2026-07-29 3:05 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
He's a narcissist.ÿ He thinks anything he tries will be a success.And he's childishly obsessed with revenge.
If it isn't, it's not his fault.
Some of his advisors told him before this started that it would be
a hairball, and he ignored him because he's quite obviously the
smartest one in the room.
Most people in business and politics negotiate to get mutually
beneficial deals. He seems to be obsessed with winning and shaming.
He is just a really shitty human believe.
I am really disappointed with
Americans in general for having put him into office.
People need to be
reminded that after the surrender of Germany in 1945 there weren't many people who had been Nazis. We had a similar situation here in Canada
last year. I always thought Trudeau was a nitwit and a horrible leader
that did a lot of harm to our country. The Liberal Party finally came to
the realization that he was a liability to them. They were kind to him
as he left but they have most definitely distanced themselves from him.
Bad enough they did it the first time. The second time is
inexcusable.
I wish we had a "vote of no confidence" ability here.
The only problem is that in order to maintain integrity &
mathematical provability of proper vote tabulation,
all votes must be published.
On 2026-07-29, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On 2026-07-29 9:44 a.m., Graham wrote:
On 2026-07-29 3:05 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
He's a narcissist.ÿ He thinks anything he tries will be a success.And he's childishly obsessed with revenge.
If it isn't, it's not his fault.
Some of his advisors told him before this started that it would be
a hairball, and he ignored him because he's quite obviously the
smartest one in the room.
Most people in business and politics negotiate to get mutually
beneficial deals. He seems to be obsessed with winning and shaming.
Everything is a zero-sum game to him. That's the lesson his father
and Roy Cohn taught him.
Look at his attitude toward the balance of trade. Some country
has stuff. We have money. We send money and they send stuff.
We don't make anything they can afford, so they don't buy stuff
from us. That's ok. The first deal is satisfactory.
And everybody forgets that this country has had a service economy
since the 1950s or 1960s, when service-sector payrolls outstripped manufacturing payrolls. We ship trillions of dollars in services
to other countries -- everything from movies to software to
accounting, and on and on.
He is just a really shitty human believe.
He always has been. We've known that since the 1980s. Anybody
who was paying attention, anyway.
I am really disappointed with
Americans in general for having put him into office.
Bad enough they did it the first time. The second time is
inexcusable.
People need to be
reminded that after the surrender of Germany in 1945 there weren't many
people who had been Nazis. We had a similar situation here in Canada
last year. I always thought Trudeau was a nitwit and a horrible leader
that did a lot of harm to our country. The Liberal Party finally came to
the realization that he was a liability to them. They were kind to him
as he left but they have most definitely distanced themselves from him.
I wish we had a "vote of no confidence" ability here.
On 2026-07-29, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I wish we had a "vote of no confidence" ability here.
Ironically, the Internet has done so, but not in a methodical
manner. Instead, we have competing social media platforms
where the popularity can be skewed by those pretending
to know what everyone else believes and saying it
louder or more rude than everyone else.
Currently, it *could* be done. By this I mean every citizen
voting on every law and expenditure of every tax dollar.
But you would need to put framework in place to stop
organized crime or religious cults. (I'm not speaking
about Carrot-Top because I cannot decide which he is.)
The only problem is that in order to maintain integrity &
mathematical provability of proper vote tabulation,
all votes must be published.
For example, What is the probability wave
function for a vote on each given law?
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 17:32:08 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-28, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
It did for the USA.
Even if WW2 started in 1941 for the US, would that justify the
statement "WW2 started in 1941"?
For the USA, most definitely. But for Europe, that's a definite no.
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of in Mein Kampf,
led directly to WWII.
In article <nct2akFi15uU2@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of in Mein Kampf,
led directly to WWII.
That's an infantile over simplification of history.
Do you also believe that The Art of the Deal led directly to war with
Iran?
In article <nct2akFi15uU2@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of in Mein Kampf,
led directly to WWII.
That's an infantile over simplification of history.
Do you also believe that The Art of the Deal led directly to war with Iran?
In article <nct2akFi15uU2@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of in Mein Kampf,
led directly to WWII.
That's an infantile over simplification of history.
Do you also believe that The Art of the Deal led directly to war with Iran?
Janet
In article <1785265452-4742@newsgrouper.org>, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net says...
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 17:32:08 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-28, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
It did for the USA.
But not for the rest of the world. It was a World War long before America's late arrival in 1941.
Even if WW2 started in 1941 for the US, would that justify the
statement "WW2 started in 1941"?
For the USA, most definitely. But for Europe, that's a definite no.
!!!!!
Nor for Japan, Africa, Australia, Canada, India and the Soviet Union.
All of which were fighting WW2 from 1939.
Not forgetting Japan had already been at war with China since 1937.
On 2026-07-30 5:06 a.m., Janet wrote:
In article <1785265452-4742@newsgrouper.org>, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
says...
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 17:32:08 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-07-28, ItsJoanNotJoAnnÿ webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
It did for the USA.
ÿÿÿÿÿ But not for the rest of the world. It was a World War long before
America's late arrival in 1941.
Even if WW2 started in 1941 for the US, would that justify the
statement "WW2 started in 1941"?
For the USA, most definitely. But for Europe, that's a definite no.
ÿÿÿ !!!!!
ÿÿ Nor for Japan, Africa, Australia, Canada, India and the Soviet Union.
All of which were fighting WW2 from 1939.
ÿÿ Not forgetting Japan had already been at war with China since 1937.
Japan had been at war for several years before that.
On 2026-07-30, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nct2akFi15uU2@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of in Mein
Kampf, led directly to WWII.
That's an infantile over simplification of history.
Do you also believe that The Art of the Deal led directly to war
with Iran?
Perhaps if Trump had actually written that book. ;)
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 14:19:34 -0600, Clawed Dallas wrote:
On 29 Jul 2026 19:46:40 GMT Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:
The only problem is that in order to maintain integrity &
mathematical provability of proper vote tabulation,
all votes must be published.
+1 = BLOCKCHAIN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DqxWiX0fnE
Your namesake...
On 7/30/2026 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
Japan had been at war for several years before that.
Given there size, they sure had some rather ambitious goals to dominate
much of the world.ÿ A rather strong mindset and loyalty, no surrender.
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:44:20 -0000 (UTC)
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2026-07-30, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nct2akFi15uU2@mid.individual.net>, leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of in Mein
Kampf, led directly to WWII.
That's an infantile over simplification of history.
Do you also believe that The Art of the Deal led directly to war
with Iran?
Perhaps if Trump had actually written that book. ;)
Perhaps if you understood the use of ghost-writers to aid non-writers
in telling their story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_the_Deal
Trump: The Art of the Deal is a 1987 book written by future U.S.
President Donald J. Trump and journalist Tony Schwartz. Part memoir and
part business-advice book, it was the first book credited to Trump,
and it helped to make him a household name.
To inform the content and style, Schwartz drew on the
already-substantial archive of news, profiles and books about Trump as
well as interviews with Trump associates. When interviews with Trump
himself proved unproductive, the two struck on an unusual alternative: Schwartz listened in on Trump's office phone calls for several months
to witness him in action. The experience was condensed into chapter
one, "Dealing: A Week in the Life", which introduces the reader to
countless boldface names and events. The chapter was excerpted in New
York Magazine to promote the book and served as a blueprint for
future autobiographies.
AI Overview
Several famous books linked to American
presidents were written with the heavy help of ghostwriters or
co-authors, including:
Profiles in Courage by John F. Kennedy, Trump: The Art of the Deal by
Donald Trump, and An American Life by Ronald Reagan.
Key Presidential Books and Their Co-Authors/Writers
Profiles in
Courage (1956) by John F. Kennedy:
Though credited solely to JFK and
awarded the 1957 Pulitzer Prize for Biography, his speechwriter
Theodore Sorensen did the heavy lifting on research and wrote the
primary draft of most chapters. Sorensen confirmed his extensive
authorship decades later.Trump:
An American Life (1990) by Ronald Reagan:
The former president's post-white house memoir relied heavily on the
veteran journalist Robert Lindsey, who shaped Reagan's recorded voice
and diaries into a fluid narrative autobiography.
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:44:20 -0000 (UTC)
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2026-07-30, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nct2akFi15uU2@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of in Mein
Kampf, led directly to WWII.
That's an infantile over simplification of history.
Do you also believe that The Art of the Deal led directly to war
with Iran?
Perhaps if Trump had actually written that book. ;)
Perhaps if you understood the use of ghost-writers to aid non-writers
in telling their story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_the_Deal
Trump: The Art of the Deal is a 1987 book written by future U.S.
President Donald J. Trump and journalist Tony Schwartz. Part memoir and
part business-advice book, it was the first book credited to Trump,
and it helped to make him a household name.
To inform the content and style, Schwartz drew on the
already-substantial archive of news, profiles and books about Trump as
well as interviews with Trump associates. When interviews with Trump
himself proved unproductive, the two struck on an unusual alternative:
Schwartz listened in on Trump's office phone calls for several months
to witness him in action. The experience was condensed into chapter
one, "Dealing: A Week in the Life", which introduces the reader to
countless boldface names and events. The chapter was excerpted in New
York Magazine to promote the book and served as a blueprint for
future autobiographies.
AI Overview
Several famous books linked to American
presidents were written with the heavy help of ghostwriters or
co-authors, including:
Profiles in Courage by John F. Kennedy, Trump: The Art of the Deal by
Donald Trump, and An American Life by Ronald Reagan.
Key Presidential Books and Their Co-Authors/Writers
Profiles in
Courage (1956) by John F. Kennedy:
Though credited solely to JFK and
awarded the 1957 Pulitzer Prize for Biography, his speechwriter
Theodore Sorensen did the heavy lifting on research and wrote the
primary draft of most chapters. Sorensen confirmed his extensive
authorship decades later.Trump:
An American Life (1990) by Ronald Reagan:
The former president's post-white house memoir relied heavily on the
veteran journalist Robert Lindsey, who shaped Reagan's recorded voice
and diaries into a fluid narrative autobiography.
I sat at a table with a ghost writer. He said that he couldn't say what or who
the book was about because he'd have to pay damages 3 or 4 times what he was to paid to write the book. It's a very good incentive to STFU. Trump would have
problems with books these days - writing, reading, or coloring.
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 09:18:49 -0600, Conley's Elms wrote:
Astounding that murdering 2 LE officers in cold blood only got him
30 years and 8 reduced for "good behavior"...
It was a strange situation. I've been in the part of the Owyhee where
it went down. iirc it was in '88, well before civilian GPS
technology. There weren't many signs at all let alone a big one
saying 'Idaho'. In any case you can't get to that part from Idaho.
The fish cops from Boise had to go through Nevada and backtrack. Lot
of work to catch someone who might have been reducing the bobcat
population out of season if they were really Idaho bobcats.
I had one of my eeriest experiences there. I hiked up along the river
on a trail. When I returned there was a jackrabbit head in the middle
of the trail. I mean a perfect head that looked like it had been
surgically removed and very little blood. I assumed it was a cat.
At the time there was a feeling around Boise that getting rid of
Pogue was a public service and he was really on trial for killing
Elms.
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:44:20 -0000 (UTC)
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2026-07-30, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nct2akFi15uU2@mid.individual.net>, leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I
haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of in Mein
Kampf, led directly to WWII.
That's an infantile over simplification of history.
Do you also believe that The Art of the Deal led directly to
war with Iran?
Perhaps if Trump had actually written that book. ;)
Perhaps if you understood the use of ghost-writers to aid
non-writers in telling their story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_the_Deal
Trump: The Art of the Deal is a 1987 book written by future U.S.
President Donald J. Trump and journalist Tony Schwartz. Part memoir
and part business-advice book, it was the first book credited to
Trump, and it helped to make him a household name.
To inform the content and style, Schwartz drew on the
already-substantial archive of news, profiles and books about Trump
as well as interviews with Trump associates. When interviews with
Trump himself proved unproductive, the two struck on an unusual alternative: Schwartz listened in on Trump's office phone calls for
several months to witness him in action. The experience was
condensed into chapter one, "Dealing: A Week in the Life", which
introduces the reader to countless boldface names and events. The
chapter was excerpted in New York Magazine to promote the book and
served as a blueprint for future autobiographies.
AI Overview
Several famous books linked to American
presidents were written with the heavy help of ghostwriters or
co-authors, including:
Profiles in Courage by John F. Kennedy, Trump: The Art of the Deal
by Donald Trump, and An American Life by Ronald Reagan.
Key Presidential Books and Their Co-Authors/Writers
Profiles in
Courage (1956) by John F. Kennedy:
Though credited solely to JFK and
awarded the 1957 Pulitzer Prize for Biography, his speechwriter
Theodore Sorensen did the heavy lifting on research and wrote the
primary draft of most chapters. Sorensen confirmed his extensive
authorship decades later.Trump:
An American Life (1990) by Ronald Reagan:
The former president's post-white house memoir relied heavily on the veteran journalist Robert Lindsey, who shaped Reagan's recorded
voice and diaries into a fluid narrative autobiography.
I sat at a table with a ghost writer. He said that he couldn't say
what or who the book was about because he'd have to pay damages 3 or
4 times what he was to paid to write the book. It's a very good
incentive to STFU.
Trump would have problems with books these days -
writing, reading, or coloring.
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 21:15:18 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:44:20 -0000 (UTC)
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2026-07-30, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nct2akFi15uU2@mid.individual.net>, leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I
haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of in Mein
Kampf, led directly to WWII.
That's an infantile over simplification of history.
Do you also believe that The Art of the Deal led directly to
war with Iran?
Perhaps if Trump had actually written that book. ;)
Perhaps if you understood the use of ghost-writers to aid
non-writers in telling their story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_the_Deal
Trump: The Art of the Deal is a 1987 book written by future U.S. President Donald J. Trump and journalist Tony Schwartz. Part memoir
and part business-advice book, it was the first book credited to
Trump, and it helped to make him a household name.
To inform the content and style, Schwartz drew on the
already-substantial archive of news, profiles and books about Trump
as well as interviews with Trump associates. When interviews with
Trump himself proved unproductive, the two struck on an unusual alternative: Schwartz listened in on Trump's office phone calls for several months to witness him in action. The experience was
condensed into chapter one, "Dealing: A Week in the Life", which introduces the reader to countless boldface names and events. The
chapter was excerpted in New York Magazine to promote the book and
served as a blueprint for future autobiographies.
AI Overview
Several famous books linked to American
presidents were written with the heavy help of ghostwriters or co-authors, including:
Profiles in Courage by John F. Kennedy, Trump: The Art of the Deal
by Donald Trump, and An American Life by Ronald Reagan.
Key Presidential Books and Their Co-Authors/Writers
Profiles in
Courage (1956) by John F. Kennedy:
Though credited solely to JFK and
awarded the 1957 Pulitzer Prize for Biography, his speechwriter
Theodore Sorensen did the heavy lifting on research and wrote the
primary draft of most chapters. Sorensen confirmed his extensive authorship decades later.Trump:
An American Life (1990) by Ronald Reagan:
The former president's post-white house memoir relied heavily on the veteran journalist Robert Lindsey, who shaped Reagan's recorded
voice and diaries into a fluid narrative autobiography.
I sat at a table with a ghost writer. He said that he couldn't say
what or who the book was about because he'd have to pay damages 3 or
4 times what he was to paid to write the book. It's a very good
incentive to STFU.
And frankly a necessary one given public persona management.
Trump would have problems with books these days -
writing, reading, or coloring.
He has zero problems with teleprompters or even speaking
extemporaneously, both of which are key political tools.
Otoh, G.W. Bush had book club reading competition going with Karl Rove
for most of his pResidency.
Trump's leadership is brash but information inclusive (to a point).
But could Bush's be rightly be termed as inflexible and brittle under criticism, even more so than Trump?
That's my .02c on it.
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 21:15:18 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:44:20 -0000 (UTC)
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2026-07-30, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nct2akFi15uU2@mid.individual.net>, leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I
haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of in
Mein Kampf, led directly to WWII.
That's an infantile over simplification of history.
Do you also believe that The Art of the Deal led directly
to war with Iran?
Perhaps if Trump had actually written that book. ;)
Perhaps if you understood the use of ghost-writers to aid
non-writers in telling their story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_the_Deal
Trump: The Art of the Deal is a 1987 book written by future U.S. President Donald J. Trump and journalist Tony Schwartz. Part
memoir and part business-advice book, it was the first book
credited to Trump, and it helped to make him a household name.
To inform the content and style, Schwartz drew on the already-substantial archive of news, profiles and books about
Trump as well as interviews with Trump associates. When
interviews with Trump himself proved unproductive, the two
struck on an unusual alternative: Schwartz listened in on
Trump's office phone calls for several months to witness him in
action. The experience was condensed into chapter one,
"Dealing: A Week in the Life", which introduces the reader to
countless boldface names and events. The chapter was excerpted
in New York Magazine to promote the book and served as a
blueprint for future autobiographies.
AI Overview
Several famous books linked to American
presidents were written with the heavy help of ghostwriters or co-authors, including:
Profiles in Courage by John F. Kennedy, Trump: The Art of the
Deal by Donald Trump, and An American Life by Ronald Reagan.
Key Presidential Books and Their Co-Authors/Writers
Profiles in
Courage (1956) by John F. Kennedy:
Though credited solely to JFK and
awarded the 1957 Pulitzer Prize for Biography, his speechwriter Theodore Sorensen did the heavy lifting on research and wrote
the primary draft of most chapters. Sorensen confirmed his
extensive authorship decades later.Trump:
An American Life (1990) by Ronald Reagan:
The former president's post-white house memoir relied heavily
on the veteran journalist Robert Lindsey, who shaped Reagan's
recorded voice and diaries into a fluid narrative autobiography.
I sat at a table with a ghost writer. He said that he couldn't say
what or who the book was about because he'd have to pay damages 3
or 4 times what he was to paid to write the book. It's a very good incentive to STFU.
And frankly a necessary one given public persona management.
Trump would have problems with books these days -
writing, reading, or coloring.
He has zero problems with teleprompters or even speaking
extemporaneously, both of which are key political tools.
Otoh, G.W. Bush had book club reading competition going with Karl
Rove for most of his pResidency.
Trump's leadership is brash but information inclusive (to a point).
But could Bush's be rightly be termed as inflexible and brittle
under criticism, even more so than Trump?
That's my .02c on it.
Trump can read alright but I doubt he has the attention span to be
able to read a book. That's alright I guess, a lot of people don't
either.
He does have a problem with finding words. That's not a good
sign.
Not finding words are a normal part of aging but one of the
problems with post-boomers is that they believe that the boomers
won't leave the stage and hand the world over to them. They're
absolutely right about that.
https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2026/07/trump_worldcup-e1784563682740.jpg
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:11:37 -0600, Conley's Elms wrote:
Perhaps you recall the Ed Cantrell case in Rock springs, Wyo.
Pogue and Cantrell perhaps kindred LE officers to an extent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Ed_Cantrell
No, I didn't know about that one. It sounds messy but Spence's silver
tongue saved the day.
I don't recall a lot of drama about Pogue except that he was a hard
ass. Being a fish cop doesn't win a lot of popularity contests. A
friend wanted to be a cop but ran into catch-22. To get a job you had
to graduate from the state academy and you more or less had to be a
cop to go to the academy. He took a seasonal job as a game officer
and that would do the trick. He was amazed that hunters that he had
caught almost with the smoking gun would stand there and lie.
I'm not sure he was ready for law enforcement but the last I knew he
was a cop in a little eastern Montana town where breaking up bar
fights and rescuing cats were the usual pattern. Big guy and a former
Golden Gloves fighter I think he had the bar brawls dialed in. Very
laid back so the cats probably liked him too.
Some of my cousins were cops. Putting on a uniform doesn't change the personality. The assholes remained assholes, the nice guys didn't get
bitter despite the job.
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 21:45:47 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 21:15:18 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:44:20 -0000 (UTC)
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2026-07-30, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nct2akFi15uU2@mid.individual.net>, leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I
haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of in
Mein Kampf, led directly to WWII.
That's an infantile over simplification of history.
Do you also believe that The Art of the Deal led directly
to war with Iran?
Perhaps if Trump had actually written that book. ;)
Perhaps if you understood the use of ghost-writers to aid
non-writers in telling their story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_the_Deal
Trump: The Art of the Deal is a 1987 book written by future U.S. President Donald J. Trump and journalist Tony Schwartz. Part
memoir and part business-advice book, it was the first book
credited to Trump, and it helped to make him a household name.
To inform the content and style, Schwartz drew on the already-substantial archive of news, profiles and books about
Trump as well as interviews with Trump associates. When
interviews with Trump himself proved unproductive, the two
struck on an unusual alternative: Schwartz listened in on
Trump's office phone calls for several months to witness him in action. The experience was condensed into chapter one,
"Dealing: A Week in the Life", which introduces the reader to countless boldface names and events. The chapter was excerpted
in New York Magazine to promote the book and served as a
blueprint for future autobiographies.
AI Overview
Several famous books linked to American
presidents were written with the heavy help of ghostwriters or co-authors, including:
Profiles in Courage by John F. Kennedy, Trump: The Art of the
Deal by Donald Trump, and An American Life by Ronald Reagan.
Key Presidential Books and Their Co-Authors/Writers
Profiles in
Courage (1956) by John F. Kennedy:
Though credited solely to JFK and
awarded the 1957 Pulitzer Prize for Biography, his speechwriter Theodore Sorensen did the heavy lifting on research and wrote
the primary draft of most chapters. Sorensen confirmed his
extensive authorship decades later.Trump:
An American Life (1990) by Ronald Reagan:
The former president's post-white house memoir relied heavily
on the veteran journalist Robert Lindsey, who shaped Reagan's recorded voice and diaries into a fluid narrative autobiography.
I sat at a table with a ghost writer. He said that he couldn't say
what or who the book was about because he'd have to pay damages 3
or 4 times what he was to paid to write the book. It's a very good incentive to STFU.
And frankly a necessary one given public persona management.
Trump would have problems with books these days -
writing, reading, or coloring.
He has zero problems with teleprompters or even speaking extemporaneously, both of which are key political tools.
Otoh, G.W. Bush had book club reading competition going with Karl
Rove for most of his pResidency.
Trump's leadership is brash but information inclusive (to a point).
But could Bush's be rightly be termed as inflexible and brittle
under criticism, even more so than Trump?
That's my .02c on it.
Trump can read alright but I doubt he has the attention span to be
able to read a book. That's alright I guess, a lot of people don't
either.
Most not being on call for running a nation.
Makes me wonder why Bush & Rove had so much free reading time.
Maybe the natuon was being run on some script.
He does have a problem with finding words. That's not a good
sign.
For 80s, he's super sharp - covfefe...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covfefe
U.S. Representative Mike Quigley (D-IL 5) introduced H.R. 2884, "The Communications Over Various Feeds Electronically for Engagement Act
(COVFEFE Act)" on June 12, 2017.[46] It would have required the
National Archives to preserve and store social media posts by the
President of the United States. The bill was referred to the House
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform on the same day but saw no further congressional action.[47] Regardless, Trump's tweets have been archived in accordance with the Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014
Not finding words are a normal part of aging but one of the
problems with post-boomers is that they believe that the boomers
won't leave the stage and hand the world over to them. They're
absolutely right about that.
https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2026/07/trump_worldcup-e1784563682740.jpg
So FIFA really runs the world?
Lol.
What a Messi job that must be....
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 21:45:47 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 21:15:18 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:44:20 -0000 (UTC)
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2026-07-30, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nct2akFi15uU2@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by Adolph,(I
haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in 1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of in
Mein Kampf, led directly to WWII.
That's an infantile over simplification of history.
Do you also believe that The Art of the Deal led directly
to war with Iran?
Perhaps if Trump had actually written that book. ;)
Perhaps if you understood the use of ghost-writers to aid
non-writers in telling their story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_the_Deal
Trump: The Art of the Deal is a 1987 book written by future U.S.
President Donald J. Trump and journalist Tony Schwartz. Part
memoir and part business-advice book, it was the first book
credited to Trump, and it helped to make him a household name.
To inform the content and style, Schwartz drew on the
already-substantial archive of news, profiles and books about
Trump as well as interviews with Trump associates. When
interviews with Trump himself proved unproductive, the two
struck on an unusual alternative: Schwartz listened in on
Trump's office phone calls for several months to witness him in
action. The experience was condensed into chapter one,
"Dealing: A Week in the Life", which introduces the reader to
countless boldface names and events. The chapter was excerpted
in New York Magazine to promote the book and served as a
blueprint for future autobiographies.
AI Overview
Several famous books linked to American
presidents were written with the heavy help of ghostwriters or
co-authors, including:
Profiles in Courage by John F. Kennedy, Trump: The Art of the
Deal by Donald Trump, and An American Life by Ronald Reagan.
Key Presidential Books and Their Co-Authors/Writers
Profiles in
Courage (1956) by John F. Kennedy:
Though credited solely to JFK and
awarded the 1957 Pulitzer Prize for Biography, his speechwriter
Theodore Sorensen did the heavy lifting on research and wrote
the primary draft of most chapters. Sorensen confirmed his
extensive authorship decades later.Trump:
An American Life (1990) by Ronald Reagan:
The former president's post-white house memoir relied heavily
on the veteran journalist Robert Lindsey, who shaped Reagan's
recorded voice and diaries into a fluid narrative autobiography.
I sat at a table with a ghost writer. He said that he couldn't say
what or who the book was about because he'd have to pay damages 3
or 4 times what he was to paid to write the book. It's a very good
incentive to STFU.
And frankly a necessary one given public persona management.
Trump would have problems with books these days -
writing, reading, or coloring.
He has zero problems with teleprompters or even speaking
extemporaneously, both of which are key political tools.
Otoh, G.W. Bush had book club reading competition going with Karl
Rove for most of his pResidency.
Trump's leadership is brash but information inclusive (to a point).
But could Bush's be rightly be termed as inflexible and brittle
under criticism, even more so than Trump?
That's my .02c on it.
Trump can read alright but I doubt he has the attention span to be
able to read a book. That's alright I guess, a lot of people don't
either.
Most not being on call for running a nation.
Makes me wonder why Bush & Rove had so much free reading time.
Maybe the natuon was being run on some script.
He does have a problem with finding words. That's not a good
sign.
For 80s, he's super sharp - covfefe...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covfefe
U.S. Representative Mike Quigley (D-IL 5) introduced H.R. 2884, "The
Communications Over Various Feeds Electronically for Engagement Act
(COVFEFE Act)" on June 12, 2017.[46] It would have required the
National Archives to preserve and store social media posts by the
President of the United States. The bill was referred to the House
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform on the same day but saw no
further congressional action.[47] Regardless, Trump's tweets have been
archived in accordance with the Presidential and Federal Records Act
Amendments of 2014
Not finding words are a normal part of aging but one of the
problems with post-boomers is that they believe that the boomers
won't leave the stage and hand the world over to them. They're
absolutely right about that.
https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2026/07/trump_worldcup-e1784563682740.jpg
So FIFA really runs the world?
Lol.
What a Messi job that must be....
A messy job would be if you hired some clown to re-do your pool, spend way over
budget, and then it turns out to be a complete scam/fail. The president should
admit that he failed and then resign. How about if you demolished someone else's
home and then used other people's money to rebuild it? That's a complete scam.
The president is using other people's money to make more money for himself and >his family. How is that good/smart for Americans?
"The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed"
A messy job would be if you hired some clown to re-do your pool, spend way over
budget, and then it turns out to be a complete scam/fail. The president should
admit that he failed and then resign.
This post is an extremely messy job. Didn't your parents teach you to
clean up after yourself? Look at all that junk you quoted above here.
Yes, I left it there to make my point. Not only are you single
handedly keeping a troll alive (there must be an imprint of his lips
on your anus by now), but you also make a huge mess.
On 2026-08-01, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
A messy job would be if you hired some clown to re-do your pool, spend way over
budget, and then it turns out to be a complete scam/fail. The president should
admit that he failed and then resign.
Resignation would be admission of defeat. His father and his
mentor, Roy Cohn, taught him that the worst thing is to lose,
and the second-worst thing is to admit to it.
On 2026-08-01, Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> wrote:
This post is an extremely messy job. Didn't your parents teach you to
clean up after yourself? Look at all that junk you quoted above here.
Yes, I left it there to make my point. Not only are you single
handedly keeping a troll alive (there must be an imprint of his lips
on your anus by now), but you also make a huge mess.
I suspect he lacks a mouse. The interface he uses is too cumbersome
to facilitate him to practice common courtesy.
On 2026-08-01, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
A messy job would be if you hired some clown to re-do your pool, spend way over
budget, and then it turns out to be a complete scam/fail. The president should
admit that he failed and then resign.
Resignation would be admission of defeat. His father and his
mentor, Roy Cohn, taught him that the worst thing is to lose,
and the second-worst thing is to admit to it.
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 21:45:47 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 21:15:18 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Conley's Elms <le@ida.hero> posted:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:44:20 -0000 (UTC)
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2026-07-30, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nct2akFi15uU2@mid.individual.net>, leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
On 2026-07-28, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <nco3phFoi3uU1@mid.individual.net>,
leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net says...
Want a history of WWII? Read "Mein Kampf" by
Adolph,(I haven't)
It was not a "history of WW2", he wrote it in
1925.
I'm led to believe that his 1925 philosophy, spoken of
in Mein Kampf, led directly to WWII.
That's an infantile over simplification of history.
Do you also believe that The Art of the Deal led
directly to war with Iran?
Perhaps if Trump had actually written that book. ;)
Perhaps if you understood the use of ghost-writers to aid non-writers in telling their story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_the_Deal
Trump: The Art of the Deal is a 1987 book written by future
U.S. President Donald J. Trump and journalist Tony
Schwartz. Part memoir and part business-advice book, it was
the first book credited to Trump, and it helped to make him
a household name.
To inform the content and style, Schwartz drew on the already-substantial archive of news, profiles and books
about Trump as well as interviews with Trump associates.
When interviews with Trump himself proved unproductive, the
two struck on an unusual alternative: Schwartz listened in
on Trump's office phone calls for several months to witness
him in action. The experience was condensed into chapter
one, "Dealing: A Week in the Life", which introduces the
reader to countless boldface names and events. The chapter
was excerpted in New York Magazine to promote the book and
served as a blueprint for future autobiographies.
AI Overview
Several famous books linked to American
presidents were written with the heavy help of ghostwriters
or co-authors, including:
Profiles in Courage by John F. Kennedy, Trump: The Art of
the Deal by Donald Trump, and An American Life by Ronald
Reagan.
Key Presidential Books and Their Co-Authors/Writers
Profiles in
Courage (1956) by John F. Kennedy:
Though credited solely to JFK and
awarded the 1957 Pulitzer Prize for Biography, his
speechwriter Theodore Sorensen did the heavy lifting on
research and wrote the primary draft of most chapters.
Sorensen confirmed his extensive authorship decades
later.Trump:
-e1784563682740.jpgAn American Life (1990) by Ronald Reagan:
The former president's post-white house memoir relied
heavily on the veteran journalist Robert Lindsey, who
shaped Reagan's recorded voice and diaries into a fluid
narrative autobiography.
I sat at a table with a ghost writer. He said that he
couldn't say what or who the book was about because he'd have
to pay damages 3 or 4 times what he was to paid to write the
book. It's a very good incentive to STFU.
And frankly a necessary one given public persona management.
Trump would have problems with books these days -
writing, reading, or coloring.
He has zero problems with teleprompters or even speaking extemporaneously, both of which are key political tools.
Otoh, G.W. Bush had book club reading competition going with
Karl Rove for most of his pResidency.
Trump's leadership is brash but information inclusive (to a
point).
But could Bush's be rightly be termed as inflexible and brittle
under criticism, even more so than Trump?
That's my .02c on it.
Trump can read alright but I doubt he has the attention span to be
able to read a book. That's alright I guess, a lot of people don't either.
Most not being on call for running a nation.
Makes me wonder why Bush & Rove had so much free reading time.
Maybe the natuon was being run on some script.
He does have a problem with finding words. That's not a good
sign.
For 80s, he's super sharp - covfefe...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covfefe
U.S. Representative Mike Quigley (D-IL 5) introduced H.R. 2884, "The Communications Over Various Feeds Electronically for Engagement Act (COVFEFE Act)" on June 12, 2017.[46] It would have required the
National Archives to preserve and store social media posts by the
President of the United States. The bill was referred to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform on the same day but
saw no further congressional action.[47] Regardless, Trump's tweets
have been archived in accordance with the Presidential and Federal
Records Act Amendments of 2014
Not finding words are a normal part of aging but one of the
problems with post-boomers is that they believe that the boomers
won't leave the stage and hand the world over to them. They're
absolutely right about that.
https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2026/07/trump_worldcup
So FIFA really runs the world?
Lol.
What a Messi job that must be....
A messy job would be if you hired some clown to re-do your pool,
spend way over budget, and then it turns out to be a complete
scam/fail. The president should admit that he failed and then resign.
How about if you demolished someone else's home and then used other
people's money to rebuild it? That's a complete scam. The president
is using other people's money to make more money for himself and his
family. How is that good/smart for Americans?
"The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for
everyone's greed"
On 2026-08-01, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
A messy job would be if you hired some clown to re-do your pool,
spend way over budget, and then it turns out to be a complete
scam/fail. The president should admit that he failed and then
resign.
Resignation would be admission of defeat. His father and his
mentor, Roy Cohn, taught him that the worst thing is to lose,
and the second-worst thing is to admit to it.
On 2026-08-01 6:56 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2026-08-01, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:Which is why we are stuck with this Middle Eastern mess.
A messy job would be if you hired some clown to re-do your pool,
spend way over
budget, and then it turns out to be a complete scam/fail. The
president should
admit that he failed and then resign.
Resignation would be admission of defeat.ÿ His father and his
mentor, Roy Cohn, taught him that the worst thing is to lose,
and the second-worst thing is to admit to it.
Trump is not a decent enough human
to admit that he was wrong.
On 2026-08-01 1:22 p.m., Graham wrote:
On 2026-08-01 6:56 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2026-08-01, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:Which is why we are stuck with this Middle Eastern mess.
A messy job would be if you hired some clown to re-do your pool,
spend way over
budget, and then it turns out to be a complete scam/fail. The
president should
admit that he failed and then resign.
Resignation would be admission of defeat.ÿ His father and his
mentor, Roy Cohn, taught him that the worst thing is to lose,
and the second-worst thing is to admit to it.
I wonder how much his decisions are driven by input from his cabinet,
most of whom are totally unqualified for their plum appointments.
On 2026-08-01, Dave Smith wrote:
Trump is not a decent enough human
to admit that he was wrong.
Dave, why do I need remind you again?
Trump knows nothing thus he makes
it all up as he goes along.
Statistics would make you look 'normal'
as long as your reality filters are okay.
But his are somewhat skewed in terms of
self-confidence. Thus he might make sense
to his core cult followers because they
are each free to indulge in their unique
interpretation of his oath to the US
Constitution vs. to Himself. He does not
care what anyone else thinks, and he is
surrounded by both armies literal &
figurative who are ready to back up his
mistakes.
Note Dave, 'mistakes' NOT lies.
I predict his next will be 'temporary'
martial law to ensure voter confidence
during the mid-term elections 03 Nov.
By now, I'm sure his top generals
are advising him to declare victory
in Iran and pull out letting them
shoot at whoever wherever whenever.
Because troops will be needed in
big cities in case of riots.
ICE will get the US equivalent
of a royal warrant to put them
in charge of election polls, i.e.
ID checking, ballot security, &c.
On 2026-08-01, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
I wonder how much his decisions are driven by input from his cabinet,
most of whom are totally unqualified for their plum appointments.
Not only are they unqualified, but they won't tell him anything
that would upset him. The Cabinet is lying to the President.
I suspect he lacks a mouse. The interface he uses is too cumbersome
to facilitate him to practice common courtesy.
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