• Single justice procedure convicts Sadiq Khan, mayor of London

    From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 08:12:58
    BlackBelt Barrister
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcVvkr3GiiE

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 09:31:45
    On 2026-09-13 4:12 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BlackBelt Barrister
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcVvkr3GiiE

    It's unfortunate that the conviction is sure to be overturned eventually because the car had no connection with him. I'd far rather see him get convicted for dereliction of duty in failing to protect the residents of
    his city: he's actually guilty of that.

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    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 16:23:45
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-09-13 4:12 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    BlackBelt Barrister
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcVvkr3GiiE

    It's unfortunate that the conviction is sure to be overturned eventually >because the car had no connection with him.

    This should be an easy political win for him, if he were a decent
    politician. He should give a decent account of the Kafka-esque nightmare
    single justice procedure is so Parliament repeals it. He should go
    through the procedure like a peasant and prove to everyone his
    sympathies with those whose due process has been denied, and he should
    keep a detailedlog of time and expense.

    Similar crap can happen in the United States as civil matters, but at
    least there are court procedures to follow on notice. Due process has
    more limited applicability in civil procedure than criminal, what with
    civil asset forfeiture and qualified immunity and takings used for non-
    public purposes. Forcing someone into court with no way to recover legal
    fees isn't a deprivation of property.

    Of course due process can be violated in criminal procedures but single
    justice procedure clearly invites abuse.

    I'd far rather see him get
    convicted for dereliction of duty in failing to protect the residents of
    his city: he's actually guilty of that.

    It's up to the voters to throw the bastards out.

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 14:27:09
    On 2026-09-13 12:23 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-09-13 4:12 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    BlackBelt Barrister
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcVvkr3GiiE

    It's unfortunate that the conviction is sure to be overturned eventually
    because the car had no connection with him.

    This should be an easy political win for him, if he were a decent
    politician. He should give a decent account of the Kafka-esque nightmare single justice procedure is so Parliament repeals it. He should go
    through the procedure like a peasant and prove to everyone his
    sympathies with those whose due process has been denied, and he should
    keep a detailedlog of time and expense.

    Similar crap can happen in the United States as civil matters, but at
    least there are court procedures to follow on notice. Due process has
    more limited applicability in civil procedure than criminal, what with
    civil asset forfeiture and qualified immunity and takings used for non- public purposes. Forcing someone into court with no way to recover legal
    fees isn't a deprivation of property.

    Of course due process can be violated in criminal procedures but single justice procedure clearly invites abuse.

    I have yet to see a system that hasn't been abused or that is
    abuse-proof. Some people are adept at finding the loopholes and vulnerabilities that EVERY system inevitably contains....

    I'd far rather see him get
    convicted for dereliction of duty in failing to protect the residents of
    his city: he's actually guilty of that.

    It's up to the voters to throw the bastards out.

    They have tried.... Reform already has a strong candidate, although it
    is three years until the next mayoral election for London.

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    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 18:40:19
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-09-13 12:23 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-09-13 4:12 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    BlackBelt Barrister
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcVvkr3GiiE

    It's unfortunate that the conviction is sure to be overturned eventually >>> because the car had no connection with him.

    This should be an easy political win for him, if he were a decent
    politician. He should give a decent account of the Kafka-esque nightmare
    single justice procedure is so Parliament repeals it. He should go
    through the procedure like a peasant and prove to everyone his
    sympathies with those whose due process has been denied, and he should
    keep a detailedlog of time and expense.

    Similar crap can happen in the United States as civil matters, but at
    least there are court procedures to follow on notice. Due process has
    more limited applicability in civil procedure than criminal, what with
    civil asset forfeiture and qualified immunity and takings used for non-
    public purposes. Forcing someone into court with no way to recover legal
    fees isn't a deprivation of property.

    Of course due process can be violated in criminal procedures but single
    justice procedure clearly invites abuse.

    I have yet to see a system that hasn't been abused or that is
    abuse-proof. Some people are adept at finding the loopholes and >vulnerabilities that EVERY system inevitably contains....

    That's not a fair comment. The prosecution has no burden to meet probable cause, so that distinguishes single justice procedure from an American
    criminal trial with expedited procedures because it's a misdemeanor
    charge.

    I'd far rather see him get
    convicted for dereliction of duty in failing to protect the residents of >>> his city: he's actually guilty of that.

    It's up to the voters to throw the bastards out.

    They have tried.... Reform already has a strong candidate, although it
    is three years until the next mayoral election for London.

    --
    Rhino



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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 16:03:24
    On 2026-09-13 2:40 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-09-13 12:23 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-09-13 4:12 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    BlackBelt Barrister
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcVvkr3GiiE

    It's unfortunate that the conviction is sure to be overturned eventually >>>> because the car had no connection with him.

    This should be an easy political win for him, if he were a decent
    politician. He should give a decent account of the Kafka-esque nightmare >>> single justice procedure is so Parliament repeals it. He should go
    through the procedure like a peasant and prove to everyone his
    sympathies with those whose due process has been denied, and he should
    keep a detailedlog of time and expense.

    Similar crap can happen in the United States as civil matters, but at
    least there are court procedures to follow on notice. Due process has
    more limited applicability in civil procedure than criminal, what with
    civil asset forfeiture and qualified immunity and takings used for non-
    public purposes. Forcing someone into court with no way to recover legal >>> fees isn't a deprivation of property.

    Of course due process can be violated in criminal procedures but single
    justice procedure clearly invites abuse.

    I have yet to see a system that hasn't been abused or that is
    abuse-proof. Some people are adept at finding the loopholes and
    vulnerabilities that EVERY system inevitably contains....

    That's not a fair comment. The prosecution has no burden to meet probable cause, so that distinguishes single justice procedure from an American criminal trial with expedited procedures because it's a misdemeanor
    charge.

    You have taken my remark as a shrug and I can see why you did. I did NOT
    mean to sound indifferent to what you said. The system should be better
    and is not satisfactory the way it stands.

    I just went a little beyond that by observing that it's really hard to
    build a perfect system. People really ARE skilful at finding loopholes
    no matter how much effort is made with wording. It's because words
    themselves are slippery and rarely express our intent as clearly as we
    think.

    I found Philosophy distinctly frustrating to study because I was never
    clear on precisely what the various philosophers actually meant, as
    opposed to what the professor said or what the words actually said.
    Everything was maddeningly imprecise. The current tendency to alter or
    even outright invert the meaning of words, like "genocide", "apartheid",
    and, of course, "fascism" just makes it that much harder to communicate clearly.

    I feel sure the laws that enable this simplified justice system for
    simple offenses was well-meaning but people have figured out how to use
    these procedures to embarrass the likes of Sadiq Khan which is obviously
    not okay when he is innocent in this matter.

    I'd far rather see him get
    convicted for dereliction of duty in failing to protect the residents of >>>> his city: he's actually guilty of that.

    It's up to the voters to throw the bastards out.

    They have tried.... Reform already has a strong candidate, although it
    is three years until the next mayoral election for London.

    --
    Rhino



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    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 20:26:28
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    . . .

    You have taken my remark as a shrug and I can see why you did. I did NOT >mean to sound indifferent to what you said. The system should be better
    and is not satisfactory the way it stands.

    I just went a little beyond that by observing that it's really hard to
    build a perfect system. People really ARE skilful at finding loopholes
    no matter how much effort is made with wording. It's because words >themselves are slippery and rarely express our intent as clearly as we >think. . . .

    You are correct that perfection is not achievable. That's why we have
    civil rights, in this case, the right to due process.

    Government has no need to try to achieve perfection. Government has
    police power and tax power, and isn't overly burdened by a fundamental
    need to serve, let alone ethics. Government's excuse for the need for
    great power is necessity, convenience, and flexibility. But trust us.
    We'll exercise discretion, but they rarely do.

    What are a citizen's right to due process in the UK (outside Scotland)?
    I haven't a clue.

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, September 13, 2026 18:30:11
    On 2026-09-13 4:26 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    . . .

    You have taken my remark as a shrug and I can see why you did. I did NOT
    mean to sound indifferent to what you said. The system should be better
    and is not satisfactory the way it stands.

    I just went a little beyond that by observing that it's really hard to
    build a perfect system. People really ARE skilful at finding loopholes
    no matter how much effort is made with wording. It's because words
    themselves are slippery and rarely express our intent as clearly as we
    think. . . .

    You are correct that perfection is not achievable. That's why we have
    civil rights, in this case, the right to due process.

    Government has no need to try to achieve perfection. Government has
    police power and tax power, and isn't overly burdened by a fundamental
    need to serve, let alone ethics. Government's excuse for the need for
    great power is necessity, convenience, and flexibility. But trust us.
    We'll exercise discretion, but they rarely do.

    What are a citizen's right to due process in the UK (outside Scotland)?
    I haven't a clue.

    AIs seem quite well versed in so many things; it might be worth asking
    one. Of course some like the Black Belt Barrister would be much better
    but I'm not aware of him doing any livestreams so I don't know how you
    could hope to ask him.

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    Rhino

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