• Birmingham seeks injunction for flying Union Jack

    From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, September 10, 2026 07:12:45
    The Birmingham councill is seeking an injunction from flying the Union
    Jack from lampposts. I'm sure they can obtain that against a group that
    has put up thousands of flags. But what does "near roads" mean and does
    that include private property?

    And where does the two years' jail come in?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQUUFTOYXe0

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, September 10, 2026 10:38:48
    On 2026-09-10 3:12 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    The Birmingham councill is seeking an injunction from flying the Union
    Jack from lampposts. I'm sure they can obtain that against a group that
    has put up thousands of flags. But what does "near roads" mean and does
    that include private property?

    And where does the two years' jail come in?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQUUFTOYXe0

    I'm still not following the "safety" argument. I get that there may be a certain element of physical risk in climbing a lamppost to tie a flag to
    it but surely that can be mitigated by using a sturdy ladder - or a cherry-picker - and having someone hold the ladder.

    I think the real "safety" aspect must be that the people SEEING the flag
    will claim to "feel unsafe". In other words, the foreign-born people who
    see the flags will feel slightly less welcome.

    It's interesting that this injunction allegedly applies to ALL flags,
    not just the Union Jack and the English flag, but I'm cynical enough to
    doubt that it will actually be enforced on, say, the Palestinian flag or
    the Pride flag. Those will somehow be deemed "different". And what
    happens when the current King dies? Will they not allow the Union Jack
    to fly then? Seems unlikely to me....

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    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, September 10, 2026 20:16:45
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-09-10 3:12 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    The Birmingham councill is seeking an injunction from flying the Union
    Jack from lampposts. I'm sure they can obtain that against a group that
    has put up thousands of flags. But what does "near roads" mean and does >>that include private property?

    And where does the two years' jail come in?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQUUFTOYXe0

    I'm still not following the "safety" argument. I get that there may be a >certain element of physical risk in climbing a lamppost to tie a flag to
    it but surely that can be mitigated by using a sturdy ladder - or a >cherry-picker - and having someone hold the ladder.

    There is no liberty to attach anything to property. But I don't see why
    putting small flags in the right of way, in the dirt, should be an
    issue.

    I think the real "safety" aspect must be that the people SEEING the flag >will claim to "feel unsafe". In other words, the foreign-born people who
    see the flags will feel slightly less welcome.

    I assume selective enforcement.

    It's interesting that this injunction allegedly applies to ALL flags,
    not just the Union Jack and the English flag, but I'm cynical enough to >doubt that it will actually be enforced on, say, the Palestinian flag or
    the Pride flag. Those will somehow be deemed "different". And what
    happens when the current King dies? Will they not allow the Union Jack
    to fly then? Seems unlikely to me....

    No Muslim would respect a pride flad display.

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, September 10, 2026 19:50:41
    On 2026-09-10 4:16 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-09-10 3:12 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    The Birmingham councill is seeking an injunction from flying the Union
    Jack from lampposts. I'm sure they can obtain that against a group that
    has put up thousands of flags. But what does "near roads" mean and does
    that include private property?

    And where does the two years' jail come in?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQUUFTOYXe0

    I'm still not following the "safety" argument. I get that there may be a
    certain element of physical risk in climbing a lamppost to tie a flag to
    it but surely that can be mitigated by using a sturdy ladder - or a
    cherry-picker - and having someone hold the ladder.

    There is no liberty to attach anything to property.

    Fair enough; you COULD make a case that tying a flag to public property
    like a lamp post is a sort of vandalism in that it alters it - just as graffiti alters the appearance of a subway car - but when tying
    Palestinian flags to things is "progressive" and tying the national flag
    to the same lamp post is "dangerous", I have trouble justifying the distinction.

    But I don't see why
    putting small flags in the right of way, in the dirt, should be an
    issue.

    In a way, the Muslims win with this new injunction in another way: now,
    if the injunction is obeyed, the Brits can't put up their own flag at
    all, even if it is to celebrate the coronation of a new king or a major sporting victory, like winning the Olympics overall.
    I think the real "safety" aspect must be that the people SEEING the flag
    will claim to "feel unsafe". In other words, the foreign-born people who
    see the flags will feel slightly less welcome.

    I assume selective enforcement.

    It's interesting that this injunction allegedly applies to ALL flags,
    not just the Union Jack and the English flag, but I'm cynical enough to
    doubt that it will actually be enforced on, say, the Palestinian flag or
    the Pride flag. Those will somehow be deemed "different". And what
    happens when the current King dies? Will they not allow the Union Jack
    to fly then? Seems unlikely to me....

    No Muslim would respect a pride flad display.

    Well, maybe some of these "moderate" Muslims who we're told are abundant (without a whole lot of supporting evidence)....

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    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Friday, September 11, 2026 22:44:54
    On Sep 10, 2026 at 12:12:45 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
    wrote:

    The Birmingham councill is seeking an injunction from flying the Union
    Jack from lampposts. I'm sure they can obtain that against a group that
    has put up thousands of flags. But what does "near roads" mean and does
    that include private property?

    And where does the two years' jail come in?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQUUFTOYXe0

    The EU just released its new revamped currency:

    https://ibb.co/nNS01pMq



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