• Excessive fines clause

    From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, June 11, 2026 20:41:21
    Congress writes extreme civil and criminal penalties into laws
    requiring US persons -- citizens, residents, corporations -- to
    disclose income and assets. The excuse is always the same. We
    can shut down criminal conspiracies by tracing monies. The
    Internal Revenue Code has always included criminal provisions
    because that's how they got Al Capone. The so-called Bank
    Secrecy Act -- that's moviePig language for account holders
    making required disclosures -- has civil and criminal penalties.

    There is a tiny Treasury agency called FinCEN, Financial Crimes
    Enforcement Network, that tracks assets. Don't kid yourself. These guys
    are spooks, for Treasury has an espionage/counterespionage function
    withing the US intelligence community.

    On your tax return, there is a series of yes/no questions that, if you give
    the wrong or false answer, you have admitted to a crime of failing to make timely disclosures on a different form. Assets in foreign accounts must be disclosed. There is an IRS form called FBAR, report of foreign accounts,
    that goes to FinCEN. You are being treated like a criminal here.

    https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/report-of-foreign-bank-and-financial-accounts-fbar

    Why would the federal government collect this information? You could b a
    human trafficker. You could be an international drug trafficker.

    You could be an immigrant who came from poverty and then thrived in the
    United States through work and not committing any crimes whatsoever. You
    might have monies in an account in the country you were born in. The
    source of the monies was not from illegal activities. You aren't
    suspected of any criminal activity.

    A drug trafficker might shoot, but an elderly man won't.

    I wonder whose assets they'll try to seize.

    Institute for Justice case

    https://ij.org/case/united-states-v-saydam/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahKSFTA3anA

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  • From Nyssa@3:633/10 to All on Friday, June 12, 2026 09:45:28
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Congress writes extreme civil and criminal penalties into
    laws requiring US persons -- citizens, residents,
    corporations -- to disclose income and assets. The excuse
    is always the same. We can shut down criminal conspiracies
    by tracing monies. The Internal Revenue Code has always
    included criminal provisions because that's how they got
    Al Capone. The so-called Bank Secrecy Act -- that's
    moviePig language for account holders making required
    disclosures -- has civil and criminal penalties.

    There is a tiny Treasury agency called FinCEN, Financial
    Crimes Enforcement Network, that tracks assets. Don't kid
    yourself. These guys are spooks, for Treasury has an espionage/counterespionage function withing the US
    intelligence community.

    On your tax return, there is a series of yes/no questions
    that, if you give the wrong or false answer, you have
    admitted to a crime of failing to make timely disclosures
    on a different form. Assets in foreign accounts must be
    disclosed. There is an IRS form called FBAR, report of
    foreign accounts, that goes to FinCEN. You are being
    treated like a criminal here.

    https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/report-of-foreign-bank-and-financial-accounts-fbar

    Why would the federal government collect this information?
    You could b a human trafficker. You could be an
    international drug trafficker.

    You could be an immigrant who came from poverty and then
    thrived in the United States through work and not
    committing any crimes whatsoever. You might have monies in
    an account in the country you were born in. The source of
    the monies was not from illegal activities. You aren't
    suspected of any criminal activity.

    A drug trafficker might shoot, but an elderly man won't.

    I wonder whose assets they'll try to seize.

    Institute for Justice case

    https://ij.org/case/united-states-v-saydam/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahKSFTA3anA

    Ah, another walk down memory lane.

    Back last century, my pop and I both had accounts in
    Canada since we usually visited Ottawa a couple or
    three times a year. I'd send a few bucks up to my
    account whenever I had a few extra $, ditto for him.
    Sort of a lay-away plan for vacations. I don't think
    the balance in any of the accounts ever made it near
    $500.

    We both had to file a form each year with the US
    Treasury Department and check that box on the 1040
    as Adam noted. Not too onerous, but kind of silly
    for accounts with balances so small and hardly
    nefarious purposes.

    Then the Canadian feds put on a 15% non-resident
    tax on the interest in those accounts. No extra
    paperwork; they took it out automatically. Those
    nice Canadians!

    The final straw came when the Canadian dollar started
    to tank. As the value of the Canadian dollar circled
    the drain, we closed the accounts. I ended up spending
    most of the declining dollars at Canadian Tire. I still
    have the nice tool boxes I bought there for both of us.
    I think the rest was spread between WH Smith (bookstore)
    and a Dominion store bakery.

    I imagine that a lot of people on both sides of the
    border kept accounts in the opposite country for similar
    reasons, especially those who lived/worked close to the
    border. Innocent folks with innocent money used for
    innocent purposes because it was convenient.

    Leave it to governments to take all the fun out of things. :/

    Nyssa, who still has some Canadian currency on hand, but
    has no idea when she'll get up there again to spend it




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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Friday, June 12, 2026 14:28:09
    On Jun 12, 2026 at 6:45:28 AM PDT, "Nyssa" <Nyssa@logicalinsight.net> wrote:

    Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Congress writes extreme civil and criminal penalties into
    laws requiring US persons -- citizens, residents,
    corporations -- to disclose income and assets. The excuse
    is always the same. We can shut down criminal conspiracies
    by tracing monies. The Internal Revenue Code has always
    included criminal provisions because that's how they got
    Al Capone. The so-called Bank Secrecy Act -- that's
    moviePig language for account holders making required
    disclosures -- has civil and criminal penalties.

    There is a tiny Treasury agency called FinCEN, Financial
    Crimes Enforcement Network, that tracks assets. Don't kid
    yourself. These guys are spooks, for Treasury has an
    espionage/counterespionage function withing the US
    intelligence community.

    On your tax return, there is a series of yes/no questions
    that, if you give the wrong or false answer, you have
    admitted to a crime of failing to make timely disclosures
    on a different form. Assets in foreign accounts must be
    disclosed. There is an IRS form called FBAR, report of
    foreign accounts, that goes to FinCEN. You are being
    treated like a criminal here.


    https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/report-of-foreign-bank-and-financial-accounts-fbar

    Why would the federal government collect this information?
    You could b a human trafficker. You could be an
    international drug trafficker.

    You could be an immigrant who came from poverty and then
    thrived in the United States through work and not
    committing any crimes whatsoever. You might have monies in
    an account in the country you were born in. The source of
    the monies was not from illegal activities. You aren't
    suspected of any criminal activity.

    A drug trafficker might shoot, but an elderly man won't.

    I wonder whose assets they'll try to seize.

    Institute for Justice case

    https://ij.org/case/united-states-v-saydam/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahKSFTA3anA

    Ah, another walk down memory lane.

    Back last century, my pop and I both had accounts in
    Canada since we usually visited Ottawa a couple or
    three times a year. I'd send a few bucks up to my
    account whenever I had a few extra $, ditto for him.
    Sort of a lay-away plan for vacations. I don't think
    the balance in any of the accounts ever made it near
    $500.

    We both had to file a form each year with the US
    Treasury Department and check that box on the 1040
    as Adam noted. Not too onerous, but kind of silly
    for accounts with balances so small and hardly
    nefarious purposes.

    Then the Canadian feds put on a 15% non-resident
    tax on the interest in those accounts. No extra
    paperwork; they took it out automatically.

    But I'm sure they did it politely.

    Leave it to governments to take all the fun out of things. :/

    Government: always making things better.



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