On 5/14/2026 5:26 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
<snip>

So are the mid-terms.

So you think that if the democrats win control of the House in 2026,
they will fix the $2 trillion annual deficit that the USA is running now?

History says no, the democrats under Biden expanded the annual deficit >>from $1 trillion to $2 trillion.

Your grasp of history proves insufficient.

You know, you can actual look this stuff up before making a fool
of yourself in public: (Source, US Treasury Fiscal Data)

Fiscal Year Deficit (Trillion$)
2016 $0.585
2017 $0.665
2018 $0.779
2019 $0.984
2020 $3.132 (Covid-19 Impact)
2021 $2.772 (Arguably the same)
2022 $2.375
2023 $1.695
2024 $1.833
2025 $1.700+
2026 projected to be more than $2.000 trillion

So aside from the bump in 2020 (Trump's last Budget),
the deficit was reduced _EVERY YEAR_ of the Biden
presidency.

Now, after the disastrous big ugly bill, and
the unnecessary war in the middle east, the
pie-in-the-sky golden dome, and his
random spending on fountains, ballrooms
and changing history in the national park system;
Trump and his congressional bootlickers have set us up for
higher and higher deficits going forward for decades.

Yup, there is infinite demand for free goods. And that is what is going
on in the USA right now.

Lynn


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In article <cr4h0ll05q6lmg83oe85e34e5vl0br0j80@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 16 May 2026 13:23:19 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:

(I also noticed someone had added two small embellishments to the
building that made it impossible for anyone in a wheelchair to
get from one end of it to the other)

Trump would be so proud: anti-DEI at work!

Alternately:
Our UW has a building so confusing that, at least when it was new, it
could only be navigated by explicit map including which entrance would
allow you to find your destination. IIRC, it was possible to go from
floor 5 to floor 3 simply by stepping while in a level hallway from
one part of the building to another.

My UW has the psych building. Legend has it is supposed to resemble
a brain. The layout is confusing enough profs who teach in it get
lost.

I don't think wheelchairs were in that building's builders' minds
either.

40 years ago, one UW building, which legend said was designed
by an architect offended by accessibility requirements, had
a pair of doors enclosing a stretch of corridor. On their own,
they met the legal requirements. However, both opened into
the stretch of corridor and neither could be opened by someone
in a wheelchair from the enclosed stretch. Lobster trap.
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James Nicoll wrote:

In article <cr4h0ll05q6lmg83oe85e34e5vl0br0j80@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 16 May 2026 13:23:19 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:

(I also noticed someone had added two small embellishments to the
building that made it impossible for anyone in a wheelchair to
get from one end of it to the other)

Trump would be so proud: anti-DEI at work!

Alternately:
Our UW has a building so confusing that, at least when it was new, it
could only be navigated by explicit map including which entrance would
allow you to find your destination. IIRC, it was possible to go from
floor 5 to floor 3 simply by stepping while in a level hallway from
one part of the building to another.

My UW has the psych building. Legend has it is supposed to resemble
a brain. The layout is confusing enough profs who teach in it get
lost.

I don't think wheelchairs were in that building's builders' minds
either.

40 years ago, one UW building, which legend said was designed
by an architect offended by accessibility requirements, had
a pair of doors enclosing a stretch of corridor. On their own,
they met the legal requirements. However, both opened into
the stretch of corridor and neither could be opened by someone
in a wheelchair from the enclosed stretch. Lobster trap.

Halifax has an above-street crossing in an area with a heavy slope
towards the harbour. Very convenient for people who have trouble
negotiating a steep slope, especially in winter.

You enter through a mall facing the lower street, take an elevator up a
few floors, and get off. Ahead of you is a gently sloping ramp that
leads to the above-ground corridor. You roll halfway along the corridor
to encounter ... a flight of stairs.

Same architect?


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On 2026-05-16, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

And why I think we need two new parties,
both in the center, one a bit to the left,
the other a bit to the right, both willing to
talk to each other for the good of the country.

You're deluded again. There are no
parties. There are people acting out their
selfish "free-willed" individualities in ways
that in their self-centric minds delivers them
the most positive for the least negative, and
seeming "parties" and their seeming natures
are emergent properties of the mathematical
integral of all of them.

There is no such thing has selfish "free-willed"
individuals designing parties with levels of
principles (in *practice*, not merely in word)
greater than the sum total of their individual
principles (in *practice*, not merely in
word). You're somehow under the impression
that a group of assholes will magically deliver
non-asshole results.

*Wrong*.

Once again, people jockey for positioning in
whatever situation is available to deliver
what they consider the biggest overall win
for themselves, others mostly be damned -
or at very best "meh'd".

Reality does the math (the integral of the
behaviors of all those mentally ill automatons),
And here we are.

The only change possible in the direction
you wishfully hope for is people independently
(because self-centered be-ings always act *only*
in their best interest) concluding that maybe
there's something haywire with their be-ing,
and that it could somehow be best for them to
trigger change at essence level.

That happens only very rarely, and when it does
the assholes they're surrounded by are quick
to belittle and drive them from the herd with
vigor and zeal - killfile them, if you will -
including in the most permanent possible sense
if their collective humiliation-based fear over
being confronted with a be-ing far better than
them rises to a certain level.

It's not that the reality math is going to
be ruthless, but that the ruthlessness of
self-centered assholes *themselves* will destroy
the constituent assholes without mercy.

You're witnessing the beginnings of it.

Hold on tight, because the person in the
mirror is coming for you....

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Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

Yup, there is infinite demand for free goods. And that is what is going
on in the USA right now.

WTF are you talking about?

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On 5/17/26 11:53, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

Yup, there is infinite demand for free goods. And that is what is going
on in the USA right now.

WTF are you talking about?

Who can truly tell? Maybe the demand of the Very Well Off for
less taxation and maintaining all the amenities of a semi-civilized society such as police to protect their wealth, highways to travel as they please, prisons to lock up all those who deviate from their idea of proper
ideation and behavior. Such as Democratic party members, others,
independent voters who value the Constitution over the Orange Maniac, Transgender children who defy their logic and buttoned down bronze
age values, all the LBGTQ+ crew and their allies.
But I bet, considering it is Lynn ,it is pesky people who insist on breathing air that is not filled with toxic fumes which will result in
in more heat deaths of persons living in Temperate zones.
Or maybe it is people who think that gasoline should be sold
at truely reasonable prices as in Europe at about $2.58/Liter.
That was the highest price i could find for my remark in Denmark.
That takes in some of the side effects of the nasty petroleum
product.


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Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

Yup, there is infinite demand for free goods. And that is what is going >>on in the USA right now.

WTF are you talking about?

Well, let's say you own a football franchise.... local governments will
compete with one another to give you money to build a new stadium. It's
free goods being handed to you by the government! So you take the mmoney, build the stadium, and then move somewhere else in a couple years.

You can do this with data centers and factories too! Just take the free
money and run away with it!

When you suggest moving your operation into a place they start offering free stuff! Then when you suggest moving out they start offering more free stuff! And the taxpayers pay for it without complaining! It's like running a big
hose into the taxpayer's pocket and pumping out money!
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On 2026-05-18, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Who can truly tell? Maybe the demand of the Very
Well Off for less taxation and maintaining all
the amenities of a semi-civilized society such
as police to protect their wealth, highways to
travel as they please, prisons to lock up all
those who deviate from their idea of proper
ideation and behavior.

It sounds like you believe said "Very Well Off"
are supposed to feel bad/guilty about their
estate in life.

If so, is that virtue signaling, or jealousy?
Or...?

Such as Democratic party members, others,
independent voters who value the Constitution
over the Orange Maniac, Transgender children who
defy their logic and buttoned down bronze age
values, all the LBGTQ+ crew and their allies.

A hallmark of "liberals" seems to be their
endless classifications - aka labeling -
of others. It can't just be "people", oh
noes! It's gotta be this kind of person,
that kind of person, and so on ad
nauseam.

But I bet, considering it is Lynn ,it is pesky
people who insist on breathing air that is
not filled with toxic fumes which will result
in in more heat deaths of persons living in
Temperate zones.

Nobody wants that, but there is disagreement on
whether practices lead to such, or are closer
to the virtue signaling conspiracy theory
theatrics end of the spectrum.

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On 2026-05-18, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

Yup, there is infinite demand for free
goods. And that is what is going on in the
USA right now.

WTF are you talking about?

Well, let's say you own a football
franchise.... local governments will compete
with one another to give you money to build a
new stadium. It's free goods being handed to
you by the government! So you take the mmoney,
build the stadium, and then move somewhere else
in a couple years.

You can do this with data centers and factories
too! Just take the free money and run away
with it!

When you suggest moving your operation into
a place they start offering free stuff! Then
when you suggest moving out they start offering
more free stuff! And the taxpayers pay for it
without complaining! It's like running a big
hose into the taxpayer's pocket and pumping
out money!

Okay. We get that that's happening. In
exclamation marks even (oh my!).

Now... *why* is that happening?

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On Sun, 17 May 2026 18:53:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

Yup, there is infinite demand for free goods. And that is what is

going

on in the USA right now.

WTF are you talking about?

He's trying to pretend to himself that bottomless deficits are
something everybody wants.

This is because his claim that they (and the National Debt) are solely
the responsibility of the Democrats has collapsed.

He is hoping that everbody wanting this will somehow excuse the
Republicans for their share of the blame.

And the retribution, when it arrives.

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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 17 May 2026 18:53:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

WTF are you talking about?

He's trying to pretend to himself that bottomless deficits are
something everybody wants.

It sure sounds to me like they are something both political parties want,
or else we would have paid the debts from the Vietnam war back long ago.
And "everybody" voting seems to be more or less happy about it.
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On 5/18/2026 9:09 AM, oldernow wrote:

On 2026-05-18, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Who can truly tell? Maybe the demand of the Very
Well Off for less taxation and maintaining all
the amenities of a semi-civilized society such
as police to protect their wealth, highways to
travel as they please, prisons to lock up all
those who deviate from their idea of proper
ideation and behavior.

It sounds like you believe said "Very Well Off"
are supposed to feel bad/guilty about their
estate in life.

If so, is that virtue signaling, or jealousy?
Or...?

...

Bobbie is incredibly jealous of the upper middle class and the wealthy.

She wants everyone to be the same and poor.

Lynn


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On 5/17/2026 1:53 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

Yup, there is infinite demand for free goods. And that is what is going
on in the USA right now.

WTF are you talking about?

You are foolish if you really do not not know what I am talking about.

Lynn


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On 5/18/26 16:58, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 5/18/2026 9:09 AM, oldernow wrote:

On 2026-05-18, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Who can truly tell? Maybe the demand of the Very
Well Off for less taxation and maintaining all
the amenities of a semi-civilized society such
as police to protect their wealth, highways to
travel as they please, prisons to lock up all
those who deviate from their idea of proper
ideation and behavior.

It sounds like you believe said "Very Well Off"
are supposed to feel bad/guilty about their
estate in life.

If so, is that virtue signaling, or jealousy?
Or...?

...

Bobbie is incredibly jealous of the upper middle class and the wealthy.

She wants everyone to be the same and poor.

Lynn

No I want every person to have enough. Presently I have
a bit less than enough but I can still get by. I see lots of people
who are much worse off than myself and maybe even if they
had what I have economically they might not get by as well
as I do.

That I get by as well as I do is because I have other than
purely economic resources. I have mentioned before that I
was strongly influenced by my mother and by my step-father
as they both lived thru the Great Depression and step-father
was a striver who owned and managed serially a farm, another
farm, a rice farm, two different restaurants and was a jack of
all the trades as he had a handy book that explained them in
the vernacular of the 1940s. Anyway we lived most of my
childhood on the cheap for the next attempt to climb out
of the class, whatever it was in the 1950s. So I cook for
myself, do my own laundry and ride the MUNI in San
Francisco. When I was able to work I rode motorcyles
and drove cars but my condition is such that I can no
longer depend on my vision and reactions.

bliss

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On 5/18/26 16:59, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 5/17/2026 1:53 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

Yup, there is infinite demand for free goods.ÿ And that is what is going >>> on in the USA right now.

WTF are you talking about?

You are foolish if you really do not not know what I am talking about.

Lynn

Still you refuse to define your terms.

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On 5/18/2026 8:16 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 5/18/26 16:59, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 5/17/2026 1:53 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

Yup, there is infinite demand for free goods.ÿ And that is what is
going
on in the USA right now.

WTF are you talking about?

You are foolish if you really do not not know what I am talking about.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ Still you refuse to define your terms.

Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP are just a few of the freebies in the USA.
There are many, many, many more from the federal and state governments.

Lynn


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On 19/05/2026 13:15, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

Anyway we lived most of my
childhood on the cheap for the next attempt to climb out
of the class, whatever it was in the 1950s. So I cook for
myself, do my own laundry

Most New Zealanders do that now, have always done so and will probably
continue to do so as a matter of culture rather than economics.

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On 19/05/2026 13:16, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 5/18/26 16:59, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 5/17/2026 1:53 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

Yup, there is infinite demand for free goods.ÿ And that is what is
going
on in the USA right now.

WTF are you talking about?

You are foolish if you really do not not know what I am talking about.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ Still you refuse to define your terms.

There was a reported increase in the demand for free goods offered for
example, on your birthday. Somehow this has been transformed into
"infinite" demand for free goods but whether because of effective
marketing strategies or behavioural changes is not known. Dimwire will
have some twisted right wing view that disapproves with neither rhyme
nor reason. Perhaps it was expressed earlier in this thread?

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On 2026-05-19, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 5/18/26 16:58, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 5/18/2026 9:09 AM, oldernow wrote:

On 2026-05-18, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Who can truly tell? Maybe the demand of the Very
Well Off for less taxation and maintaining all
the amenities of a semi-civilized society such
as police to protect their wealth, highways to
travel as they please, prisons to lock up all
those who deviate from their idea of proper
ideation and behavior.

It sounds like you believe said "Very Well Off"
are supposed to feel bad/guilty about their
estate in life.

If so, is that virtue signaling, or jealousy?
Or...?

...

Bobbie is incredibly jealous of the upper
middle class and the wealthy.

She wants everyone to be the same and poor.

Lynn

No I want every person to have enough.

What are you doing for them to make that happen?
In case you didn't know, wanting something isn't
enough to make things happening in this world,
nor is making words appear in USENET newsgroup
posts.

As far as I can tell, you - who apparently have
nothing to give - and either unwillingness or
unableness to do anything about "every person
have[ing] enough" - have settled on a plan of
whining until those with means and ability do
things conform to your wants.

Guess what the chances of that happening are,
especially in a textual venue that such
people will almost certainly never
visit to read your words?

Given that demanding others do what you can't
or won't do doesn't work, and that your
demands are in a place that they won't
see them anyway, it seems to me your
verbiage amounts to some ineffective
combination of virtue signalling to
other such whiners, and of
admission of jealousy for
not having what those you
make demands of have.

My recommendation is that if your demands
are truly anything more than that, that
you become someone of means in order to
fulfill your (in your own eyes)
incredibly virtuous - but
powerless - wants.

Presently I have a bit less than enough but I
can still get by. I see lots of people who are
much worse off than myself and maybe even if
they had what I have economically they might
not get by as well as I do.

Where is your theory that everyone should have
enough coming from? Is that the way it works
in nature?

The answer is *no*.

And so why should it be any different for humans,
who are in that same nature/environment?

That I get by as well as I do is because I have
other than purely economic resources. I have
mentioned before that I was strongly influenced
by my mother and by my step-father as they both
lived thru the Great Depression and step-father
was a striver who owned and managed serially a
farm, another farm, a rice farm, two different
restaurants and was a jack of all the trades as
he had a handy book that explained them in the
vernacular of the 1940s. Anyway we lived most of
my childhood on the cheap for the next attempt
to climb out of the class, whatever it was
in the 1950s. So I cook for myself, do my own
laundry and ride the MUNI in San Francisco. When
I was able to work I rode motorcyles and drove
cars but my condition is such that I can no
longer depend on my vision and reactions.

Okay, so it sounds like you did something for
yourself to "have enough".

So... why shouldn't others be expected to do
what's needed in order to "have enough"? Why
were you earlier implying that people other
than you should be doing something for
those who can't/won't do what it takes
to "have enough"?

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On 2026-05-18, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/18/2026 9:09 AM, oldernow wrote:

On 2026-05-18, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Who can truly tell? Maybe the demand of the Very
Well Off for less taxation and maintaining all
the amenities of a semi-civilized society such
as police to protect their wealth, highways to
travel as they please, prisons to lock up all
those who deviate from their idea of proper
ideation and behavior.

It sounds like you believe said "Very Well Off"
are supposed to feel bad/guilty about their
estate in life.

If so, is that virtue signaling, or jealousy?
Or...?

...

Bobbie is incredibly jealous of the upper middle
class and the wealthy.

She wants everyone to be the same and poor.

It's typical liberal claptrap, which begins
with positing beliefs about what reality and
people *should* be, and then complaining when
reality and people don't magically conform to
those beliefs. It consists primarily of setting
up a strawman reality and strawman human be-ings
therein, and then waxing woke sage when actual
reality and people don't measure up to their
strawmen counterparts.

That's basically the essence of their favorite
virtual-signalling play.

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Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP are just a few of the freebies in the USA.
There are many, many, many more from the federal and state governments.

It's true, those are examples of redistribution of wealth. But of course
so are the FBA program, the Response and Relief act, the Economic Injury Disaster Loan program and so many others which take taxpayer funds and
funnel them into corporate boardrooms.

And if you look, things like Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP don't actually cost
very much in comparison.
--scott
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On 2026-05-19, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP are just a few of
the freebies in the USA. There are many,
many, many more from the federal and state
governments.

It's true, those are examples of redistribution
of wealth. But of course so are the FBA program,
the Response and Relief act, the Economic
Injury Disaster Loan program and so many others
which take taxpayer funds and funnel them into
corporate boardrooms.

And if you look, things like Medicaid, WIC,
and SNAP don't actually cost very much in
comparison.

Hilarious. "if you look", but no guidance on
where to look, no attempt to quote from a single
where-to-look places, possibly with at least a
stab at whether and why such sources should be
considered unbiased.

Are we supposed to spend the rest of the day
trying to find "where to look"?

My guess is that not including such information
is with the hope that nobody will spend so much
as 15 minutes - let alone the rest of the day -
trying to find such, which of course helps keep
the claims as unchallengeable as possible....

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Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 5/18/2026 9:09 AM, oldernow wrote:

On 2026-05-18, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Who can truly tell? Maybe the demand of the Very
Well Off for less taxation and maintaining all
the amenities of a semi-civilized society such
as police to protect their wealth, highways to
travel as they please, prisons to lock up all
those who deviate from their idea of proper
ideation and behavior.

It sounds like you believe said "Very Well Off"
are supposed to feel bad/guilty about their
estate in life.

If so, is that virtue signaling, or jealousy?
Or...?

...

Bobbie is incredibly jealous of the upper middle class and the wealthy.

You, sir, are an asshole.


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On 2026-05-19, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 5/18/2026 9:09 AM, oldernow wrote:

On 2026-05-18, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Who can truly tell? Maybe the demand of the Very
Well Off for less taxation and maintaining all
the amenities of a semi-civilized society such
as police to protect their wealth, highways to
travel as they please, prisons to lock up all
those who deviate from their idea of proper
ideation and behavior.

It sounds like you believe said "Very Well Off"
are supposed to feel bad/guilty about their
estate in life.

If so, is that virtue signaling, or jealousy?
Or...?

...

Bobbie is incredibly jealous of the upper
middle class and the wealthy.

You, sir, are an asshole.

Why is accuracy so difficult for you?

You, being a subjective be-ing, have exactly *zero*
thumb on the pulse of asshole objectivity.

The accurate way to express what you wrote would
go more like:

"I think you're an asshole."

-or-

"You qualify as an asshole in my private
conceptuality context."

But coming out as though your subjective
view of asshole-ism is objective, well,
that's just typical "pride that cometh
before a fall" grade writing.

Not that much more than that can be
expected of an ego, of course....

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On Tue, 19 May 2026 14:07:14 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 5/18/2026 9:09 AM, oldernow wrote:
...

Bobbie is incredibly jealous of the upper middle class and the wealthy.

You, sir, are an asshole.

If only for responding to an obvious troll.
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On Mon, 18 May 2026 18:58:52 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/18/2026 9:09 AM, oldernow wrote:

<snippo>

If so, is that virtue signaling, or jealousy?
Or...?

...

Bobbie is incredibly jealous of the upper middle class and the wealthy.

She wants everyone to be the same and poor.

You wish.

She just wants them to behave less piggishly.

And there are very like millions who would agree.
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Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On Mon, 18 May 2026 18:54:07 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 17 May 2026 18:53:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:

WTF are you talking about?

He's trying to pretend to himself that bottomless deficits are
something everybody wants.

It sure sounds to me like they are something both political parties

want,

or else we would have paid the debts from the Vietnam war back long ago.
And "everybody" voting seems to be more or less happy about it.

The choice is generally between candidates of two Parties, both of
which appear to like large deficits. So they vote per their habit,
their family tradition, or reasons not related to deficits/National
Debt.

Doesn't mean they like it though. And this disconnect is going to
cause problems. Problems not solvable by campaign slogans or
ideological propaganda.
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On Tue, 19 May 2026 08:14:02 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP are just a few of the freebies in the USA.
There are many, many, many more from the federal and state governments.

It's true, those are examples of redistribution of wealth. But of

course

so are the FBA program, the Response and Relief act, the Economic Injury >Disaster Loan program and so many others which take taxpayer funds and >funnel them into corporate boardrooms.

And if you look, things like Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP don't actually cost
very much in comparison.

But the money is not going to the right people. It belongs to the
1%-ers (as all money does) but it is going to The Rest of US.

Attacking WIC/SNAP, BTW, is not very smart from the National Security standpoint nor from the Traditional Family Values standpoint, as the
point of the programs is to ensure children eat enough to grow up into 18-year-olds able to become soldiers and also to help single mothers
raise their children despite the disappearance of the male.

I do not say "the man" because /men/ do not desert their families.
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On 2026-05-19, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2026 18:58:52 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/18/2026 9:09 AM, oldernow wrote:

<snippo>

If so, is that virtue signaling, or jealousy?
Or...?

...

Bobbie is incredibly jealous of the upper
middle class and the wealthy.

She wants everyone to be the same and poor.

You wish.

She just wants them to behave less piggishly.

So many mind-readers in these parts!

Your mind-reading-rooted guess might seem
reasonable were I not so familiar with
Bobbie's newsgroup contributions being
far and away more TDS-motivated pleas
for attention, validation, and
camaraderie from other TDS
sufferers.

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On 2026-05-19, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2026 14:07:14 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 5/18/2026 9:09 AM, oldernow wrote:
...

Bobbie is incredibly jealous of the upper
middle class and the wealthy.

You, sir, are an asshole.

If only for responding to an obvious troll.

In the eyes of those incapable of spirited,
intelligent debate/discussion!

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On 5/19/2026 10:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2026 08:14:02 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP are just a few of the freebies in the USA.
There are many, many, many more from the federal and state governments.

It's true, those are examples of redistribution of wealth. But of course
so are the FBA program, the Response and Relief act, the Economic Injury
Disaster Loan program and so many others which take taxpayer funds and
funnel them into corporate boardrooms.

And if you look, things like Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP don't actually cost
very much in comparison.

But the money is not going to the right people. It belongs to the
1%-ers (as all money does) but it is going to The Rest of US.

Attacking WIC/SNAP, BTW, is not very smart from the National Security standpoint nor from the Traditional Family Values standpoint, as the
point of the programs is to ensure children eat enough to grow up into 18-year-olds able to become soldiers and also to help single mothers
raise their children despite the disappearance of the male.

I do not say "the man" because /men/ do not desert their families.

Where did I attack those programs?

When the USA Dollar fails in the not so distant future, we will all suffer.

Lynn




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On 5/19/2026 7:14 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP are just a few of the freebies in the USA.
There are many, many, many more from the federal and state governments.

It's true, those are examples of redistribution of wealth. But of course
so are the FBA program, the Response and Relief act, the Economic Injury Disaster Loan program and so many others which take taxpayer funds and
funnel them into corporate boardrooms.

And if you look, things like Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP don't actually cost
very much in comparison.
--scott

I note that you fail to mention the cost of these programs. The cost of
the three programs alone that I mentioned is over a trillion USA Dollars
per year and rapidly approaching two trillion Dollars per year.

I have no idea what the FBA program is. Nor do I know the cost of any
program that you mentioned is. All you did was to mention a few
unfounded items with no backup whatsoever.

Lynn


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On 5/18/2026 8:15 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
...

Bobbie is incredibly jealous of the upper middle class and the wealthy.

She wants everyone to be the same and poor.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿNo I want every person to have enough.ÿ Presently I have
a bit less than enough but I can still get by.ÿÿ I see lots of people
who are much worse off than myself and maybe even if they
had what I have economically they might not get by as well
as I do.

ÿÿÿÿThat I get by as well as I do is because I have other than
purely economic resources.ÿ I have mentioned before that I
was strongly influenced by my mother and by my step-father
as they both lived thru the Great Depression and step-father
was a striver who owned and managed serially a farm, another
farm, a rice farm, two different restaurants and was a jack of
all the trades as he had a handy book that explained them in
the vernacular of the 1940s.ÿ Anyway we lived most of my
childhood on the cheap for the next attempt to climb out
of the class, whatever it was in the 1950s. So I cook for
myself, do my own laundry and ride the MUNI in San
Francisco.ÿ When I was able to work I rode motorcyles
and drove cars but my condition is such that I can no
longer depend on my vision and reactions.

ÿÿÿÿbliss

And what is enough ?

Your state, California, is getting ready to have a wealth tax and all of
the billionaires are fleeing. Then they will move the wealth tax to the millionaires and they will all flee. Then they will move the wealth tax
to the thousandaires and they will flee. All that you will be left with
will be the poor.

When the state walks up to a person and demands a a hefty portion of his
money at gunpoint, bad things will happen.

I urge you to read "The Mandibles: A Family, 2029-2047" by Lionel Shriver.

https://www.amazon.com/Mandibles-Family-2029-2047-Lionel-Shriver/dp/006232828X

"In 2029, the United States is engaged in a bloodless world war that
will wipe out the savings of millions of American families. In this
gripping dystopian novel, the ?almighty dollar? plummets in value
overnight on the international currency exchange, to be replaced by a
new global currency, the ?bancor.? In retaliation, the president
declares that America will default on its loans. ?Deadbeat Nation? being unable to borrow, the government prints money to cover its bills. What
little remains to savers is rapidly eaten away by runaway inflation."

Tough times are coming.

Lynn


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On 5/19/2026 9:44 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 5/18/2026 8:15 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
...

Bobbie is incredibly jealous of the upper middle class and the wealthy.

She wants everyone to be the same and poor.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿÿNo I want every person to have enough.ÿ Presently I have
a bit less than enough but I can still get by.ÿÿ I see lots of people
who are much worse off than myself and maybe even if they
had what I have economically they might not get by as well
as I do.

ÿÿÿÿÿThat I get by as well as I do is because I have other than
purely economic resources.ÿ I have mentioned before that I
was strongly influenced by my mother and by my step-father
as they both lived thru the Great Depression and step-father
was a striver who owned and managed serially a farm, another
farm, a rice farm, two different restaurants and was a jack of
all the trades as he had a handy book that explained them in
the vernacular of the 1940s.ÿ Anyway we lived most of my
childhood on the cheap for the next attempt to climb out
of the class, whatever it was in the 1950s. So I cook for
myself, do my own laundry and ride the MUNI in San
Francisco.ÿ When I was able to work I rode motorcyles
and drove cars but my condition is such that I can no
longer depend on my vision and reactions.

ÿÿÿÿÿbliss

And what is enough ?

Your state, California, is getting ready to have a wealth tax and all of
the billionaires are fleeing.ÿ Then they will move the wealth tax to the millionaires and they will all flee.ÿ Then they will move the wealth tax
to the thousandaires and they will flee.ÿ All that you will be left with will be the poor.

When the state walks up to a person and demands a a hefty portion of his money at gunpoint, bad things will happen.

I urge you to read "The Mandibles: A Family, 2029-2047" by Lionel Shriver.

https://www.amazon.com/Mandibles-Family-2029-2047-Lionel-Shriver/ dp/006232828X

"In 2029, the United States is engaged in a bloodless world war that
will wipe out the savings of millions of American families. In this
gripping dystopian novel, the ?almighty dollar? plummets in value
overnight on the international currency exchange, to be replaced by a
new global currency, the ?bancor.? In retaliation, the president
declares that America will default on its loans. ?Deadbeat Nation? being unable to borrow, the government prints money to cover its bills. What little remains to savers is rapidly eaten away by runaway inflation."

Tough times are coming.

Lynn

BTW, I wrote one of the top reviews on Amazon for this book. #3 on the
book web page.

Lynn


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On 2026-05-19, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/19/2026 7:14 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP are just a few of
the freebies in the USA. There are many,
many, many more from the federal and state
governments.

It's true, those are examples of redistribution
of wealth. But of course so are the FBA
program, the Response and Relief act, the
Economic Injury Disaster Loan program and
so many others which take taxpayer funds and
funnel them into corporate boardrooms.

And if you look, things like Medicaid, WIC,
and SNAP don't actually cost very much in
comparison. --scott

I note that you fail to mention the cost of
these programs. The cost of the three programs
alone that I mentioned is over a trillion USA
Dollars per year and rapidly approaching two
trillion Dollars per year.

I have no idea what the FBA program is. Nor do I
know the cost of any program that you mentioned
is. All you did was to mention a few unfounded
items with no backup whatsoever.

Scott is of that modern breed of liberal for
which the feeling of hatred for one person is
sufficient proof of everything they willy nilly
decide to be reality.

A couple weeks ago someone made a claim that
Republican presidents increased the national
debt more than Democrat presidents. I asked for
evidence, they supplied a URL, and a summary of
a table allegedly in the content located by that
URL - making it sound as though I'd be sorry I
ever asked for evidence.

I went to the content, and lo and behold the
summary table they had presented was missing
many of the presidents listed in the original
table. I copy and pasted the actual table, added
a column to indicate president party affiliation,
then wrote a simple Lua script to add up the
numbers per party affiliation.

And of *course* the actual math showed the
opposite of what the aforementioned someone
claimed.

And of *course* I never heard back from said
psychopath after showing the math worked upon
*their own data*! And of *course* everybody else
in their mouth-frothing camp whipped out their
10-foot poles to carefully avoid dealing with
the actual results.

But that's how it goes when taking into account
all the data, instead of merely hand-picking to
get "facts" to align with one's obsessive hatred
of one person.

One might call it Derangement "Think". And as
with the ratcheting up of label they performed
to describe The Person They Signal Virtue By
Openly Hating On, which wound up with the
terminal case of "***HITLER!***", their
ongoing performative claims and antics
continue to devolve from ridiculous to
more ridiculous, such that just when
you think they can't become any more
insane, suddenly someone like Scott
or Bobbie is pushing said envelope,
causing the jaws of those still in
touch with actual reality to drop
upon that much more....

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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

The choice is generally between candidates of two Parties, both of
which appear to like large deficits. So they vote per their habit,
their family tradition, or reasons not related to deficits/National
Debt.

Yes.

Although it is true that one party talks about reducing the debt while increasing it, while the other party refuses to talk about the debt while increasing it.

And we DO have primaries. Unfortunately far too few people vote in them.
There are many areas where one party has a large enough majority that the primary is where the real decisions are made.
--scott
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Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Your state, California, is getting ready to have a wealth tax and all of
the billionaires are fleeing. Then they will move the wealth tax to the >millionaires and they will all flee. Then they will move the wealth tax
to the thousandaires and they will flee. All that you will be left with >will be the poor.

It could happen. But this is what was predicted in Massachusetts and
they did increase taxes considerably on the top few percent and nobody
left.

It'll be interesting to see. But most of the actually wealthy people these days have stashed much of their money offshore already, so I doubt it will
make much difference.

If you're worried about state taxes, it's time to become a Delaware corporation.
--scott


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On 2026-05-20, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

The choice is generally between candidates
of two Parties, both of which appear to like
large deficits. So they vote per their habit,
their family tradition, or reasons not related
to deficits/National Debt.

Yes.

Although it is true that one party talks about
reducing the debt while increasing it, while
the other party refuses to talk about the debt
while increasing it.

And we DO have primaries. Unfortunately far too
few people vote in them. There are many areas
where one party has a large enough majority
that the primary is where the real decisions
are made.

Where did the ridiculous idea that greater
numbers of people voting increases chances
of outcomes being better come from?

Doesn't the average character, intelligence,
and wisdom of constituents mean anything to you?

Said another way, what happens when a majority
are deceitful morons?

This attitude that slapping a political solution
rooted in numbers alone on a wounded society is
laughably delusional.

Do you seriously believe that "the right person"
in a political position has any chance of turning
a tide of constituency of liars and cheats, who
will sell others down the river for their own
benefit the instant they detect nobody is
looking, and/or they're convinced they've
been sufficiently careful to have left no
evidence?

Don't the keys in your pocket that operate
the locks that you know damned well you need
(e.g. house, vehicles, safe) scream that
something more fundamental than a
political solution is needed?

Oh, and don't forget about your passwords.
Why do you think you need those?

Um, DUH......

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On Wed, 20 May 2026 09:25:38 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

The choice is generally between candidates of two Parties, both of
which appear to like large deficits. So they vote per their habit,
their family tradition, or reasons not related to deficits/National
Debt.

Yes.

Although it is true that one party talks about reducing the debt while >increasing it, while the other party refuses to talk about the debt

while

increasing it.

And we DO have primaries. Unfortunately far too few people vote in

them.

There are many areas where one party has a large enough majority that

the

primary is where the real decisions are made.

Primaries which, when closed to non-Party members, are often between
Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

And /very/ open Primaries, like we have in Washington, can produce two candidates for the actual election from /the same Party/. So the
decision is made by more voters.

We also have various oddballs. IIRC, one of them (GoodSpaceGuy) made
it to the actual election one year.

And the Socialist candidates are easily recognized: they all have the
exact same Candidate's Statement, provided by whatever organization
decides what Socialist candidates are to say.
--
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Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On Tue, 19 May 2026 17:39:26 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/19/2026 10:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2026 08:14:02 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP are just a few of the freebies in the USA.
There are many, many, many more from the federal and state

governments.

It's true, those are examples of redistribution of wealth. But of

course

so are the FBA program, the Response and Relief act, the Economic

Injury

Disaster Loan program and so many others which take taxpayer funds

and

funnel them into corporate boardrooms.

And if you look, things like Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP don't actually

cost

very much in comparison.

But the money is not going to the right people. It belongs to the
1%-ers (as all money does) but it is going to The Rest of US.

Attacking WIC/SNAP, BTW, is not very smart from the National Security
standpoint nor from the Traditional Family Values standpoint, as the
point of the programs is to ensure children eat enough to grow up into
18-year-olds able to become soldiers and also to help single mothers
raise their children despite the disappearance of the male.

I do not say "the man" because /men/ do not desert their families.

Where did I attack those programs?

When the USA Dollar fails in the not so distant future, we will all

suffer.

So, when you identify something as a "freebie", you are not attacking
it?

What are you doing -- approving it?
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On 2026-05-20, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2026 17:39:26 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/19/2026 10:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2026 08:14:02 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP are just a few of
the freebies in the USA. There are many,
many, many more from the federal and state
governments.

It's true, those are examples of
redistribution of wealth. But of course
so are the FBA program, the Response and
Relief act, the Economic Injury Disaster
Loan program and so many others which take
taxpayer funds and funnel them into corporate
boardrooms.

And if you look, things like Medicaid, WIC,
and SNAP don't actually cost very much in
comparison.

But the money is not going to the right
people. It belongs to the 1%-ers (as all
money does) but it is going to The Rest of US.

Attacking WIC/SNAP, BTW, is not very smart
from the National Security standpoint
nor from the Traditional Family Values
standpoint, as the point of the programs is
to ensure children eat enough to grow up into
18-year-olds able to become soldiers and also
to help single mothers raise their children
despite the disappearance of the male.

I do not say "the man" because /men/ do not
desert their families.

Where did I attack those programs?

When the USA Dollar fails in the not so distant
future, we will all suffer.

So, when you identify something as a "freebie",
you are not attacking it?

What are you doing -- approving it?

Anyone out there remember/know when the "neither"
option became incomprehensible to some?

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On 5/20/2026 8:29 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Your state, California, is getting ready to have a wealth tax and all of
the billionaires are fleeing. Then they will move the wealth tax to the
millionaires and they will all flee. Then they will move the wealth tax
to the thousandaires and they will flee. All that you will be left with
will be the poor.

It could happen. But this is what was predicted in Massachusetts and
they did increase taxes considerably on the top few percent and nobody
left.

It'll be interesting to see. But most of the actually wealthy people these days have stashed much of their money offshore already, so I doubt it will make much difference.

If you're worried about state taxes, it's time to become a Delaware corporation.
--scott

The corporations registered in Delaware are moving their registrations
to Texas after the Chancery court in Delaware made such an adverse
ruling in the Tesla case.

https://www.texastribune.org/2026/05/12/texas-reincorporation-delaware-dell-exxon/

Lynn



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On 5/20/2026 10:14 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2026 17:39:26 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/19/2026 10:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2026 08:14:02 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP are just a few of the freebies in the USA.
There are many, many, many more from the federal and state governments. >>>>

It's true, those are examples of redistribution of wealth. But of course >>>> so are the FBA program, the Response and Relief act, the Economic Injury >>>> Disaster Loan program and so many others which take taxpayer funds and >>>> funnel them into corporate boardrooms.

And if you look, things like Medicaid, WIC, and SNAP don't actually cost >>>> very much in comparison.

But the money is not going to the right people. It belongs to the
1%-ers (as all money does) but it is going to The Rest of US.

Attacking WIC/SNAP, BTW, is not very smart from the National Security
standpoint nor from the Traditional Family Values standpoint, as the
point of the programs is to ensure children eat enough to grow up into
18-year-olds able to become soldiers and also to help single mothers
raise their children despite the disappearance of the male.

I do not say "the man" because /men/ do not desert their families.

Where did I attack those programs?

When the USA Dollar fails in the not so distant future, we will all suffer.

So, when you identify something as a "freebie", you are not attacking
it?

What are you doing -- approving it?

It is what it is.

I like the fact that our society in the USA has broad safety nets.

I do not like the idea that people are abusing those safety nets. As
Bill Clinton said about several things, they should be available and
rarely used.

Anyway, the USA is going broke and the USA Dollar may collapse soon,
maybe as soon as 2029. These coming tough times will define us and make
us decide what is important. Social safety nets will have to be
balanced against Defense, Social Security, Medicare, farming, clean
water, energy, etc.

Of course, predictions are very difficult, especially about the future.

Lynn


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On Sat, 16 May 2026 10:22:31 -0700, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

I suspect that is not the University of Washington (main campus in
Seattle), but some other UW.

University of Waterloo (in Waterloo, Ontario)

While I'm in Vancouver which is a LOT closer to Seattle, there's no
question which of the two schools has a reputation as a top
engineering school and which doesn't :)

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The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 16 May 2026 10:22:31 -0700, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

I suspect that is not the University of Washington (main campus in
Seattle), but some other UW.

University of Waterloo (in Waterloo, Ontario)

While I'm in Vancouver which is a LOT closer to Seattle, there's no
question which of the two schools has a reputation as a top
engineering school and which doesn't :)

Waterloo is famous for compilers and for John Vanderkooy, I think.
University of Washington is famous for Bruce Lee.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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In article <10vgsuc$8n4$1@panix2.panix.com>,
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 16 May 2026 10:22:31 -0700, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

I suspect that is not the University of Washington (main campus in
Seattle), but some other UW.

University of Waterloo (in Waterloo, Ontario)

While I'm in Vancouver which is a LOT closer to Seattle, there's no >question which of the two schools has a reputation as a top
engineering school and which doesn't :)

Waterloo is famous for compilers and for John Vanderkooy, I think.
University of Washington is famous for Bruce Lee.

That's like saying that Ohio State University is famous for Curtis LeMay.

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ?-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

In article <10vgsuc$8n4$1@panix2.panix.com>,
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 16 May 2026 10:22:31 -0700, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

I suspect that is not the University of Washington (main campus in
Seattle), but some other UW.

University of Waterloo (in Waterloo, Ontario)

While I'm in Vancouver which is a LOT closer to Seattle, there's no
question which of the two schools has a reputation as a top
engineering school and which doesn't :)

Waterloo is famous for compilers and for John Vanderkooy, I think.
University of Washington is famous for Bruce Lee.

That's like saying that Ohio State University is famous for Curtis LeMay.

Oh, no. Ohio State is famous for cafeteria food poisoning.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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