?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says-Iran-War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a shift toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the expense of
oil demand.?

Meh. The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price. People
have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using
energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again.
Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away
from it.

Lynn


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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?



On 4/24/26 19:25, Lynn McGuire wrote:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says-Iran- War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a shift toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the expense of
oil demand.?

Meh.ÿ The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price.ÿ People
have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using
energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again.
Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away
from it.

Lynn

Such may be your hope and desire but i hope you live long enough
to enjoy a hot house earth. That is what your desire will achieve.

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 4/24/2026 10:08 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 4/24/26 19:25, Lynn McGuire wrote:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says-
Iran- War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has
permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a
shift toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the
expense of oil demand.?

Meh.ÿ The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price.ÿ People
have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using
energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again.
Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away
from it.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿSuch may be your hope and desire but i hope you live long enough
to enjoy a hot house earth.ÿ That is what your desire will achieve.

I am way past my "use by" date already. I was born without a heart
right coronary artery. Pistol Pete was born without his heart left
coronary artery and he passed away at age 40. I am 65 and had my first
heart attack at 49 and the second at 53. I survived both my heart
surgeries and am living the good life, hoping to make it to 70. My
heart is only 30% enlarged and 20% dead (the back side where the right
artery feeds). God designed us with a single pump system but only for
45 years according to my best guess so I am way past that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Maravich

Earth will not grow hot due to the greenhouse effect. Greenhouses are
closed systems but Earth is an open system. But, Earth may grow warm
due to total energy usage by the human race which is growing at 3 to 5%
per year. But no significant heat up for hundreds of years. The solar
power satellites will be going up soon, maybe in 2029, and solar energy
that would normally bypass Earth will be captured and microwaved to
receiving stations on Earth. Plus nuclear is at a renaissance and we
will see around a 50 to 60 new large nuclear power plants in the next
ten years and 400 to 500 small nuclear power plants also in the next ten years. Maybe double that if the new small nuclear plants really take off.

We are spoiled, we still live in an Ice Age. An Ice Age is defined as
when one or both of the poles are frozen. Earth has been much warmer in
the not so distant past.

Lynn


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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?



On 4/24/26 20:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 4/24/2026 10:08 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 4/24/26 19:25, Lynn McGuire wrote:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says-
Iran- War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has
permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a
shift toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the
expense of oil demand.?

Meh.ÿ The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price.ÿ People
have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using
energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again.
Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away
from it.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿÿSuch may be your hope and desire but i hope you live long enough
to enjoy a hot house earth.ÿ That is what your desire will achieve.

I am way past my "use by" date already.ÿ I was born without a heart
right coronary artery.ÿ Pistol Pete was born without his heart left
coronary artery and he passed away at age 40.ÿ I am 65 and had my first heart attack at 49 and the second at 53.ÿ I survived both my heart
surgeries and am living the good life, hoping to make it to 70.ÿ My
heart is only 30% enlarged and 20% dead (the back side where the right artery feeds).ÿ God designed us with a single pump system but only for
45 years according to my best guess so I am way past that.
ÿÿ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Maravich

Earth will not grow hot due to the greenhouse effect.ÿ Greenhouses are closed systems but Earth is an open system.ÿ But, Earth may grow warm
due to total energy usage by the human race which is growing at 3 to 5%
per year.ÿ But no significant heat up for hundreds of years.ÿ The solar power satellites will be going up soon, maybe in 2029, and solar energy
that would normally bypass Earth will be captured and microwaved to receiving stations on Earth.ÿ Plus nuclear is at a renaissance and we
will see around a 50 to 60 new large nuclear power plants in the next

Whales and penguins are dying for lack of their proper food and nesting sites. Sharks are dying of overheating.
The Ocean is already too hot and we will derive less and less protein from
that source. Insect vectors for many diseases are moving North and South
and intruding into areas that have no natural predators on these illness spreading
pests.
Places in the world where Humanity has existed for many years are getting
too hot for survival. Low-lying agricultural lands in Asia are being
flooded every
growing season.

I am lucky that I did not suffer your debility.

ten years and 400 to 500 small nuclear power plants also in the next ten
years.ÿ Maybe double that if the new small nuclear plants really take off.

We are spoiled, we still live in an Ice Age.ÿ An Ice Age is defined as
when one or both of the poles are frozen.ÿ Earth has been much warmer in
the not so distant past.

Lynn

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 21:25:22 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says-Iran-War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a
shift toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the
expense of oil demand.?

Meh. The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price.

Actually, if oil were that essential and irreplaceable, demand would
be very *in*elastic -- people would pay whatever it takes, rather than
do without. The fact that people *can* substitute something else means
that higher oil prices will encourage them to do so.

And the worry about this sort of nonsense happening again will make
them a bit reluctant to switch back in future. Once bitten, twice shy,
and all that.

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 22:32:35 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Earth will not grow hot due to the greenhouse effect. Greenhouses
are closed systems but Earth is an open system.

Maybe you don?t understand what ?closed? and ?open? systems are.
Greenhouses are very much ?open? systems.

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 4/24/2026 11:40 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:

On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 21:25:22 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says-Iran-War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has
permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a
shift toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the
expense of oil demand.?

Meh. The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price.

Actually, if oil were that essential and irreplaceable, demand would
be very *in*elastic -- people would pay whatever it takes, rather than
do without. The fact that people *can* substitute something else means
that higher oil prices will encourage them to do so.

And the worry about this sort of nonsense happening again will make
them a bit reluctant to switch back in future. Once bitten, twice shy,
and all that.

We have had several oil shortages or near shortages in my lifetime.
People keep on going back to it because of the energy density and the convenience.

However, when the price gets too high, people also shut down the
processes that they were running until the price gets in line again.
For instance, many factories have their own power generation using
mostly diesel or natural gas. When the price of fuel gets too high,
they shut down until they can raise their prices or the price of the
fuel goes back down.

Lynn


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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 00:18:25 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

We have had several oil shortages or near shortages in my lifetime.

This is easily the worst one yet -- worse than the 1970s oil crisis.
Not least because a madman keeps threatening to exterminate those who
stand in his way.

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 4/25/2026 12:53 AM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 00:18:25 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

We have had several oil shortages or near shortages in my lifetime.

This is easily the worst one yet -- worse than the 1970s oil crisis.
Not least because a madman keeps threatening to exterminate those who
stand in his way.

You are kidding, right. The 1973 Arab Oil Embargo crippled the entire
planet with massive shortages for several months from October 1973 to
March 1974. The current oil shortage is not affecting the USA other
than prices since we are mostly self supporting. And the USA uses 20%
of the world's crude to support itself, Mexico, and Europe with
distillate products.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

Lynn


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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

We are spoiled, we still live in an Ice Age. An Ice Age is defined as when one or both of the poles are frozen. Earth has been much warmer in the
not so distant past.

True.

The ratio of "greenhouse" to "icehouse" (ice age) periods is ~3:1.
We are currently in an interglacial stage during an ice age. Earth
has often switched between ice age and greenhouse conditions.


----[ChatGPT]----

Over Earth's history, non-icehouse (ice-free) conditions have been
more common than ice ages.

A useful approximation:

Icehouse periods (ice ages): ~20?25% of the last ~540 million years
Greenhouse periods (no permanent ice): ~75?80%

So the rough ratio is: about 1 : 3 (ice ages : non-ice ages)

Examples for context:

Major ice ages: Late Paleozoic, current Quaternary.
Long ice-free stretches: much of the Mesozoic (when dinosaurs lived).

This estimate depends on how strictly "ice age" is defined, but the
overall pattern is clear: Earth spends most of its time without
permanent polar ice.

----[end]----

--
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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says-Iran-War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has >permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a shift >toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the expense of
oil demand.?

Meh. The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price. People
have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using
energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again.
Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away
from it.

Actually, as Europe is learning, there will never be a point in the
future where fossil fuels will be a stable (it will run out) and
reliable (idiotic wars by tyrants like the donald and the bibi);
they're making strides towards energy independence as a result.

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range, and
7 minutes charge to 98%. Bye-bye gasoline!

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 2026-04-25, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

Actually, as Europe is learning, there will
never be a point in the future where fossil fuels
will be a stable (it will run out) and reliable
(idiotic wars by tyrants like the donald and
the bibi); they're making strides towards energy
independence as a result.

The only thing humans make strides towards
is selfishness.

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

Scott Lurndal wrote:

Actually, as Europe is learning, there will never be a point
in the future where fossil fuels will be a stable (it will run
out) and reliable (idiotic wars by tyrants like the donald and
the bibi); they're making strides towards energy independence
as a result.

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range, and
7 minutes charge to 98%.

Bye-bye gasoline!

The more the eco brigade switch to EV's, the more
gasoline/diesel there will be for the rest of us to use.

So yeah, it might run out one day... but what's available
will last longer!

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 4/25/2026 12:53 PM, Blueshirt wrote:

Scott Lurndal wrote:

Actually, as Europe is learning, there will never be a point
in the future where fossil fuels will be a stable (it will run
out) and reliable (idiotic wars by tyrants like the donald and
the bibi); they're making strides towards energy independence
as a result.

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range, and
7 minutes charge to 98%.

Bye-bye gasoline!

The more the eco brigade switch to EV's, the more
gasoline/diesel there will be for the rest of us to use.

So yeah, it might run out one day... but what's available
will last longer!

There will pretty much always be a need for hydrocarbons. Plastics and
a lot of other non-fuel, non-climate changing materials are made from
them as well that _don't_ involve burning them to make greenhouse gases
on an industrial scale.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?



On 4/25/26 12:53, Blueshirt wrote:

Scott Lurndal wrote:

Actually, as Europe is learning, there will never be a point
in the future where fossil fuels will be a staple (it will run
out) and reliable (idiotic wars by tyrants like the donald and
the bibi); they're making strides towards energy independence
as a result.

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range, and
7 minutes charge to 98%.

Bye-bye gasoline!

The more the eco brigade switch to EV's, the more
gasoline/diesel there will be for the rest of us to use.

So yeah, it might run out one day... but what's available
will last longer!

And the sooner we start using the other fuels and power
sources the longer it will last and the more use it will be to the
future.
Someone left out the useful URL on EV cars with long distance travel. <https://electrek.co/2026/03/02/byd-reveals-worlds-longest-range-ev-that-can-drive-1036-km/>

bliss

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Actually, if oil were that essential and irreplaceable, demand would
be very *in*elastic -- people would pay whatever it takes, rather than
do without. The fact that people *can* substitute something else means
that higher oil prices will encourage them to do so.

It's very inelastic in the short term but very elastic in the long term.
But not all oil is the same.

There is one factory in Qatar that makes 3/4 of the world's PAO base oils.
Yes, they are synthesized from ethylene so you could make them from any
kind of feedstock, but feedstock availability is not at issue when the
factory has been bombed, which is what happened.

Apparently one of the lines is still running, so world PAO production is
still perhaps half what it was before the war.

The facility will get fixed. As availability becomes a problem, the
guys in Texas will ramp up production to make up for some of it. Some customers will go back to non-synthetic base oils. Maybe we'll see
industrial whale oil come back (although whale oil gunks up much faster
than modern synthetics and smells pretty bad... I have a couple camera
shutters that after years of cleaning and oiling with Nye synthetic watch
oil still smell like whale oil).

But don't expect your local auto parts stores to have Lubri-Moly motor
oils for a while.
--scott

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

The more the eco brigade switch to EV's, the more
gasoline/diesel there will be for the rest of us to use.

Short-term, yes. Long-term distribution might turn out to be a problem.

I use audio recording tape, and there were maybe a hundred companies in the world making the stuff when I was a kid. In an absolute emergency you could walk into a drugstore and buy a reel of consumer-grade tape.

All that is gone... we are down to three companies in the world making
1/4" tape on very small production lines. If you don't buy a pallet at
a time you don't get a good price. If you want one reel, it likely will
have to be shipped from another city.

That is, as demand drops, manufacturing drops as well, and distribution
becomes more difficult. There used to be a lot of material in the
distribution chain to take up the slack for changes in demand, but no more.

We may get to a point like that for gasoline as well. I hope not,
because I drive a fun old car and I hope to keep driving it for another
twenty years or so.
--scott

--
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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 4/24/2026 11:32 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 4/24/2026 10:08 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 4/24/26 19:25, Lynn McGuire wrote:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says-
Iran- War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has
permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a
shift toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the
expense of oil demand.?

Meh.ÿ The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price.ÿ People
have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using
energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again.
Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away
from it.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿÿSuch may be your hope and desire but i hope you live long enough
to enjoy a hot house earth.ÿ That is what your desire will achieve.

I am way past my "use by" date already.ÿ I was born without a heart
right coronary artery.ÿ Pistol Pete was born without his heart left
coronary artery and he passed away at age 40.ÿ I am 65 and had my first heart attack at 49 and the second at 53.ÿ I survived both my heart
surgeries and am living the good life, hoping to make it to 70.ÿ My
heart is only 30% enlarged and 20% dead (the back side where the right artery feeds).ÿ God designed us with a single pump system but only for
45 years according to my best guess so I am way past that.
ÿÿ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Maravich

Earth will not grow hot due to the greenhouse effect.ÿ Greenhouses are closed systems but Earth is an open system.ÿ But, Earth may grow warm
due to total energy usage by the human race which is growing at 3 to 5%
per year.ÿ But no significant heat up for hundreds of years.ÿ The solar power satellites will be going up soon, maybe in 2029, and solar energy
that would normally bypass Earth will be captured and microwaved to receiving stations on Earth.ÿ Plus nuclear is at a renaissance and we
will see around a 50 to 60 new large nuclear power plants in the next
ten years and 400 to 500 small nuclear power plants also in the next ten years.ÿ Maybe double that if the new small nuclear plants really take off.

We are spoiled, we still live in an Ice Age.ÿ An Ice Age is defined as
when one or both of the poles are frozen.ÿ Earth has been much warmer in
the not so distant past.

So, you're saying that non-carbon energy sources will save us?

pt

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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

On 4/25/2026 4:09 AM, Sn!pe wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

We are spoiled, we still live in an Ice Age. An Ice Age is defined as when >> one or both of the poles are frozen. Earth has been much warmer in the
not so distant past.

True.

The ratio of "greenhouse" to "icehouse" (ice age) periods is ~3:1.
We are currently in an interglacial stage during an ice age. Earth
has often switched between ice age and greenhouse conditions.

True, but not relevant.

Human civilization has arisen during an interglacial in an ice age.
It behooves us to try to make sure we don't enter a greenhouse
age.

The cycle may be 'natural', but the current carbon regime is
pushing us into a greenhouse far faster than has ever happened
before, and the biosphere can't adapt fast enough.

pt

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?



On 4/26/26 09:41, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 4/24/2026 11:32 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 4/24/2026 10:08 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 4/24/26 19:25, Lynn McGuire wrote:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand? >>>>
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says-
Iran- War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has
permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a
shift toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the
expense of oil demand.?

Meh.ÿ The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price.ÿ People
have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using
energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket
again. Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to
walk away from it.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿÿSuch may be your hope and desire but i hope you live long enough
to enjoy a hot house earth.ÿ That is what your desire will achieve.

I am way past my "use by" date already.ÿ I was born without a heart
right coronary artery.ÿ Pistol Pete was born without his heart left
coronary artery and he passed away at age 40.ÿ I am 65 and had my
first heart attack at 49 and the second at 53.ÿ I survived both my
heart surgeries and am living the good life, hoping to make it to 70.
My heart is only 30% enlarged and 20% dead (the back side where the
right artery feeds).ÿ God designed us with a single pump system but
only for 45 years according to my best guess so I am way past that.
ÿÿÿ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Maravich

Earth will not grow hot due to the greenhouse effect.ÿ Greenhouses are
closed systems but Earth is an open system.ÿ But, Earth may grow warm
due to total energy usage by the human race which is growing at 3 to
5% per year.ÿ But no significant heat up for hundreds of years.ÿ The
solar power satellites will be going up soon, maybe in 2029, and solar
energy that would normally bypass Earth will be captured and
microwaved to receiving stations on Earth.ÿ Plus nuclear is at a
renaissance and we will see around a 50 to 60 new large nuclear power
plants in the next ten years and 400 to 500 small nuclear power plants
also in the next ten years.ÿ Maybe double that if the new small
nuclear plants really take off.

We are spoiled, we still live in an Ice Age.ÿ An Ice Age is defined as
when one or both of the poles are frozen.ÿ Earth has been much warmer
in the not so distant past.

So, you're saying that non-carbon energy sources will save us?

pt

They may not save us but they may shorten the time of maximum
warming. Yes the World has been much warmer in past but not so much
in the Human past. In the past the change in climate took a much longer
time and the life that supports human life had time to adapt.
This time we are warming in decades rather than millenia and the
life that supports our lives has less time to adapt. As I pointed out in
a prior reply to the Fossil Fuel Maven the oceans are already too hot
and the food for the great predators is dying and the sharks are in
trouble because the ocean is too hot for them. All we can do is try
to slow down the increase in temperature unless you believe, as so
many do, in the power of prayer.

bliss



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Subject: Re: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:

On 4/24/2026 11:32 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 4/24/2026 10:08 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 4/24/26 19:25, Lynn McGuire wrote:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand? >>>>

<snip>

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again. >>>> Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away
from it.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿÿSuch may be your hope and desire but i hope you live long enough
to enjoy a hot house earth.ÿ That is what your desire will achieve.

<snip medical history>

Earth will not grow hot due to the greenhouse effect.ÿ Greenhouses are
closed systems but Earth is an open system.ÿ

The "Greenhouse Effect" has little to do physically with
your typical agricultural greenhouse (which, by the way, is
not a closed system as the actual interior temperature is
well regulated).

The physics are simple. Each square meter of the planet recieves
1361 watts of energy at the top of the atmosphere. Some is absorbed
by the atmosphere, some reflected back to space by clouds,
but with a clear sky at noon, over 1000 watts
per square meter reach the surface. Some of that is absorbed,
some is reflected back into space. Of the energy reflected back
into space, some is returned to the surface after reflecting
off CO2 molecules in the atmosphere. Doubling the number of
CO2 molecules doubles the chance that outgoing IR will be reflected
back to the surface, which reduces the amount of energy radiated
to space. The CO2 concentration of the atmosphere is analogous
to the ventilation controls in a commercial greenhouse which modulate
the temperature of the greenhouse such that it is ideal for the
crop being grown.

Burning fossil fuels has screwed up those controls.

But, Earth may grow warm

due to total energy usage by the human race which is growing at 3 to 5%
per year.ÿ But no significant heat up for hundreds of years.ÿ The solar
power satellites will be going up soon, maybe in 2029, and solar energy
that would normally bypass Earth will be captured and microwaved to
receiving stations on Earth.ÿ Plus nuclear is at a renaissance and we
will see around a 50 to 60 new large nuclear power plants in the next
ten years and 400 to 500 small nuclear power plants also in the next ten
years.ÿ Maybe double that if the new small nuclear plants really take off. >>
We are spoiled, we still live in an Ice Age.ÿ An Ice Age is defined as
when one or both of the poles are frozen.ÿ Earth has been much warmer in
the not so distant past.

So, you're saying that non-carbon energy sources will save us?

Personally, I find it to be unlikely that
there will be 60 new large-scale power plants producing energy in the
next decade. Leaving aside acquiring suitable land for such, there
just isn't enough recoverable uranium to supply them with fuel for
the length of time required to pay back the investment in the plant.
Not to mention producing all the specialized piping, control equipment,
and other unique building supplies required on short timescales with
a very limited pool of qualified suppliers.

The current world-wide fleet requires 67,000 tonnes U per
year for the current 400GWe worldwide capacity.

The two new Vogtle (1.1GWe each) reactors started building in 2009 and
the second reactor just came on line in 2024, after spending
close to $40 Billion.

The "small nuclear reactors" require special HALEU fuel, which
is currently only made in one place (Oakridge, IIRC).

The current known worldwide reserves of U (5.9 million tonnes) will supply
the current active fleet for about 90 years[*]. Adding enough
fleet capacity to significantly replace fossil will exhaust
the known reserves far sooner. Granted there are a lot
of U atoms distributed in the worlds oceans, but whether that
can be successfully 'mined' and produce even the 67,000 tonnes
annually -at a reasonable cost- that the current fleet
consumes is yet to be proven.

Then there is the as yet unsolved problem of safe waste disposal
(or reprocessing, which has it's own set of problems).

[*] https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/uranium-resources/supply-of-uranium#:~:text=The%20world's%20present%20measured%20resources%20of%20uranium,resources%20as%20present%20ones%20are%20used%20up.

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

Lynn McGuire wrote:

We are spoiled, we still live in an Ice Age.ÿ An Ice Age is defined as
when one or both of the poles are frozen.ÿ Earth has been much warmer in
the not so distant past.

You consider 45 million years ago to be the "not so distant past"?


William Hyde

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 4/26/2026 3:23 PM, William Hyde wrote:

Lynn McGuire wrote:

We are spoiled, we still live in an Ice Age.ÿ An Ice Age is defined as
when one or both of the poles are frozen.ÿ Earth has been much warmer
in the not so distant past.

You consider 45 million years ago to be the "not so distant past"?

William Hyde

Yup. I looked at the skeletons of a Apatosaurus and a Saurophaganax in
the Norman, Oklahoma museum just last February.
https://samnoblemuseum.ou.edu/permanent-exhibits/hall-of-ancient-life/

Lynn


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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 4/25/2026 10:41 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says-Iran-War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has
permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a shift
toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the expense of
oil demand.?

Meh. The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price. People
have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using
energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again.
Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away
from it.

Actually, as Europe is learning, there will never be a point in the
future where fossil fuels will be a stable (it will run out) and
reliable (idiotic wars by tyrants like the donald and the bibi);
they're making strides towards energy independence as a result.

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range, and
7 minutes charge to 98%. Bye-bye gasoline!

Where is my 4x4 electric truck version of that car ? My 4x4 2019 F-150
can travel almost 700 miles on my 36 gallon gas tank.

Lynn


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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?



On 4/27/26 13:59, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 4/25/2026 10:41 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says-
Iran-War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has
permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a shift >>> toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the expense of
oil demand.?

Meh.ÿ The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price.ÿ People
have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using
energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again.
Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away
from it.

Actually, as Europe is learning, there will never be a point in the
future where fossil fuels will be a stable (it will run out) and
reliable (idiotic wars by tyrants like the donald and the bibi);
they're making strides towards energy independence as a result.

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range, and
7 minutes charge to 98%.ÿÿÿ Bye-bye gasoline!

Where is my 4x4 electric truck version of that car ?ÿ My 4x4 2019 F-150
can travel almost 700 miles on my 36 gallon gas tank.

Lynn

You will have to wait awhile as Trump has barred the impottation of such
vehicles.

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 4/27/2026 4:26 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 4/27/26 13:59, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 4/25/2026 10:41 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand? >>>> https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says-
Iran-War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has
permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a
shift
toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the expense of >>>> oil demand.?

Meh.ÿ The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price.ÿ People
have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using
energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again.
Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away
from it.

Actually, as Europe is learning, there will never be a point in the
future where fossil fuels will be a stable (it will run out) and
reliable (idiotic wars by tyrants like the donald and the bibi);
they're making strides towards energy independence as a result.

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range, and
7 minutes charge to 98%.ÿÿÿ Bye-bye gasoline!

Where is my 4x4 electric truck version of that car ?ÿ My 4x4 2019
F-150 can travel almost 700 miles on my 36 gallon gas tank.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿYou will have to wait awhile as Trump has barred the impottation of such
vehicles.

It is my understanding that BYD cars do not meet USA safety standards.

Lynn


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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

[...]

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range,
and 7 minutes charge to 98%. Bye-bye gasoline!

All very well when eventually there is the high voltage, high current infrastructure in place to charge all those electric cars. Don't hold
your breath, the numbers are daunting!

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?



On 4/27/26 16:00, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 4/27/2026 4:26 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 4/27/26 13:59, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 4/25/2026 10:41 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil
Demand?
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says- >>>>> Iran-War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has >>>>> permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a
shift
toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the expense of >>>>> oil demand.?

Meh.ÿ The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price.ÿ People >>>>> have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using
energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again. >>>>> Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away >>>>> from it.

Actually, as Europe is learning, there will never be a point in the
future where fossil fuels will be a stable (it will run out) and
reliable (idiotic wars by tyrants like the donald and the bibi);
they're making strides towards energy independence as a result.

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range, and
7 minutes charge to 98%.ÿÿÿ Bye-bye gasoline!

Where is my 4x4 electric truck version of that car ?ÿ My 4x4 2019
F-150 can travel almost 700 miles on my 36 gallon gas tank.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿÿYou will have to wait awhile as Trump has barred the impottation
of such
vehicles.

It is my understanding that BYD cars do not meet USA safety standards.

Lynn

More than likely they do not meet Trump's Fossil fuel consumption
standard but maybe safety is another reason but DJT has ranted about
the dangers of renewable non-polluting electrical generations and electical mobility.

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 4/28/2026 12:06 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 4/27/26 16:00, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 4/27/2026 4:26 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 4/27/26 13:59, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 4/25/2026 10:41 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil
Demand?
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-
Says- Iran-War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has >>>>>> permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a >>>>>> shift
toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the
expense of
oil demand.?

Meh.ÿ The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price.ÿ People >>>>>> have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using >>>>>> energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again. >>>>>> Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away >>>>>> from it.

Actually, as Europe is learning, there will never be a point in the
future where fossil fuels will be a stable (it will run out) and
reliable (idiotic wars by tyrants like the donald and the bibi);
they're making strides towards energy independence as a result.

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range, and
7 minutes charge to 98%.ÿÿÿ Bye-bye gasoline!

Where is my 4x4 electric truck version of that car ?ÿ My 4x4 2019
F-150 can travel almost 700 miles on my 36 gallon gas tank.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿÿYou will have to wait awhile as Trump has barred the impottation
of such
vehicles.

It is my understanding that BYD cars do not meet USA safety standards.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ More than likely they do not meet Trump's Fossil fuel consumption standard but maybe safety is another reason but DJT has ranted about
the dangers of renewable non-polluting electrical generations and electical mobility.

Nope, today's new cars and trucks in the USA have exacting standards:
safety, operating, fuel efficiency, emission, etc. For instance, cars
and trucks have significant rollover standards. And crush zones rated
by impact. Backup cameras. And all operations in the vehicle must be operable by the computer: steering, brakes, starting, accelerator,
shifting, etc.

For 2027 new vehicles, you will have to pass an AI test to see if you
are impaired and cannot drive. I am wondering how they will allow my
friend with familial tremors to drive. Or Parkinsons. Will there be a cognitive test ?

https://apnews.com/article/federal-law-impairment-detection-car-dui-062d40e885a0e32c6cad0ba70163aef8

Lynn



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Subject: Re: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 4/27/2026 4:26 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range, and
7 minutes charge to 98%.ÿÿÿ Bye-bye gasoline!

Where is my 4x4 electric truck version of that car ?ÿ My 4x4 2019
F-150 can travel almost 700 miles on my 36 gallon gas tank.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿYou will have to wait awhile as Trump has barred the impottation of
such
vehicles.

It is my understanding that BYD cars do not meet USA safety standards.

It's my understand that they could meet USA safety standards if they
chose to.

BYD ATTO 3 Awarded Five-Star ANCAP Safety Rating in Australia

BYD vehicles, such as the Seal, Dolphin, and Sealion 7, consistently
achieve 5-star safety ratings from ANCAP and Euro NCAP. They
prioritize safety through the ultra-safe, nail-penetration-tested
Blade Battery and the e-Platform 3.0 featuring a "multi-load path"
structure for enhanced collision protection. Key safety features
often include advanced driver-assistance systems (ADAS), multiple
airbags, and superior structural integrity.

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 4/27/2026 7:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 4/27/2026 4:26 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 4/27/26 13:59, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 4/25/2026 10:41 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil
Demand?
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEAs-Birol-Says- >>>>> Iran-War-Will-Permanently-Cut-Into-Future-Oil-Demand.html

?International Energy Agency chief Fatih Birol says the Iran war has >>>>> permanently changed the fossil fuel industry and will accelerate a
shift
toward renewables, nuclear power and electrification at the expense of >>>>> oil demand.?

Meh.ÿ The demand for oil is very elastic based on the price.ÿ People >>>>> have temporary options to move to something else or they stop using
energy for a while.

When and if the price for oil drops, the demand will skyrocket again. >>>>> Oil is just too flexible as an energy source for people to walk away >>>>> from it.

Actually, as Europe is learning, there will never be a point in the
future where fossil fuels will be a stable (it will run out) and
reliable (idiotic wars by tyrants like the donald and the bibi);
they're making strides towards energy independence as a result.

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range, and
7 minutes charge to 98%.ÿÿÿ Bye-bye gasoline!

Where is my 4x4 electric truck version of that car ?ÿ My 4x4 2019
F-150 can travel almost 700 miles on my 36 gallon gas tank.

Lynn

ÿÿÿÿÿYou will have to wait awhile as Trump has barred the impottation
of such
vehicles.

It is my understanding that BYD cars do not meet USA safety standards.

That's incorrect. Cars imported to the US must not only meet US safety standards, they must be *certified* that they meet them. Certification
is not a cheap or quick process.

Trump imposed 100% tariffs in Chinese vehicles, which makes US sales practically impossible. As a result BYD hasn't certified the vehicles
for the US - there would be no point.

Physically, they do meet US Standards, and are currently being sold
in Canada, for example (as well as Europe, which also had serious
safety standards, which many US vehicles don't meet).

pt

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 4/27/2026 4:26 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

BYD has announced an electric car with 629 mile range, and
7 minutes charge to 98%.?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ Bye-bye gasoline!

Where is my 4x4 electric truck version of that car ??ÿ My 4x4 2019
F-150 can travel almost 700 miles on my 36 gallon gas tank.

Lynn

?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿYou will have to wait awhile as Trump has barred the impottation of
such
vehicles.

It is my understanding that BYD cars do not meet USA safety standards.

It's my understand that they could meet USA safety standards if they
chose to.

BYD ATTO 3 Awarded Five-Star ANCAP Safety Rating in Australia

Until recently Canada followed the US in putting a 100% tariff on these.

But Trump feels that it is unfair that Canada has such a small trade
minus in autos and auto parts with the US, and is determined to destroy
the Canadian auto industry. And is proceeding with some success.

However, the enemy of one's newfound enemy is ... well not a friend but
a trading partner, and we have agreed to allow 50,000 of these to be
sold in Canada next year.

If automakers shift most of their production to the US, that quota will
rise. There is already a groundswell against Tesla, and should the
formerly big three carry out Trump's wishes, that will extend to them.
Sales will crater.

Meantime factories owned by traitorous companies will be expropriated
and offered, possibly free or for a token amount, to other
manufacturers, Chinese, European, whatever.

The American trade surplus in cars with Canada may not grow. It may
vanish. It may even become negative.


William Hyde

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Subject: Re: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 4/27/26 16:00, Lynn McGuire wrote:

It is my understanding that BYD cars do not meet USA safety standards.

The BYD cars that you see all over the streets in most of Asia definitely
do not meet American safety standards. The gasoline ones may not meet American emission standards either.

But BYD is now selling into Europe cars that meet European safety standards. Which are different than American standards.... more strict in some ways
and more lax in others.

So I see no reason not to expect them to be able to meet the American
standards if there is money in it.

I would not buy a BYD vehicle, but then again I wouldn't buy a Ford or Chevy either so what do I know about the American consumer?
--scott

--
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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 29/04/2026 12:18, Scott Dorsey wrote:

On 4/27/26 16:00, Lynn McGuire wrote:

It is my understanding that BYD cars do not meet USA safety standards.

The BYD cars that you see all over the streets in most of Asia definitely
do not meet American safety standards. The gasoline ones may not meet American emission standards either.

But BYD is now selling into Europe cars that meet European safety standards. Which are different than American standards.... more strict in some ways
and more lax in others.

So I see no reason not to expect them to be able to meet the American standards if there is money in it.

I would not buy a BYD vehicle, but then again I wouldn't buy a Ford or Chevy either so what do I know about the American consumer?
--scott

The BYD meet strict N.Z. standards and in 2025 won the award for
Customer Satisfaction after buying a new car.

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Subject: Re: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

In article <10ss7ap$3lca5$4@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

The BYD meet strict N.Z. standards and in 2025 won the award for
Customer Satisfaction after buying a new car.

Which ones were they selling into NZ and are they special NZ/OZ versions?
Any idea what they are like to drive? I haven't driven one in Thailand yet. --scott
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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

On 28/04/2026 00:22, Sn!pe wrote:

All very well when eventually there is the high voltage, high current infrastructure in place to charge all those electric cars. Don't hold
your breath, the numbers are daunting!

I don't know about other countries, but the National Grid are quite sanguine concerning the issue. They've been saying for years that they
don't expect to have a problem supplying car chargers.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero-stories/can-grid-cope-extra-demand-electric-cars

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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com> wrote:

On 28/04/2026 00:22, Sn!pe wrote:

All very well when eventually there is the high voltage, high current infrastructure in place to charge all those electric cars. Don't hold
your breath, the numbers are daunting!

I don't know about other countries, but the National Grid are quite sanguine concerning the issue. They've been saying for years that they
don't expect to have a problem supplying car chargers.

<https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero-stories/can-grid-cope-extra-demand-electric-cars>

Interesting, thanks for the link, Graham.

I find what they say is rather counter-intuitive but I have no reason to suppose that a reputable organisation like the National Grid would put
an unjustified gloss on things. I haven't seen that site before, I'll
explore further, it just might change my mind.

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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:

Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com> wrote:

On 28/04/2026 00:22, Sn!pe wrote:

All very well when eventually there is the high voltage, high current
infrastructure in place to charge all those electric cars. Don't hold
your breath, the numbers are daunting!

I don't know about other countries, but the National Grid are quite
sanguine concerning the issue. They've been saying for years that they
don't expect to have a problem supplying car chargers.

<https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero-stories/can-grid-cope-extra-demand-electric-cars>

Interesting, thanks for the link, Graham.

I find what they say is rather counter-intuitive but I have no reason to >suppose that a reputable organisation like the National Grid would put
an unjustified gloss on things. I haven't seen that site before, I'll >explore further, it just might change my mind.

Some datapoints to consider:

1) Most cars are driven less than 39 miles a day. That's up to ten
days to a week between recharges (or two weeks for the BVD).
And as battery technology improves, the time to empty will
just increase.
2) If a driver has a personal charger (e.g. single family homes),
they'll likely trickle charge daily just to top-up the battery,
drawing a kilowatt for a short period of time, and if
the homeowner has solar panels (as I do), there will be little
effect on the grid from that trickle charge.
3) Even heavy users that drive more than 200 miles a day will only
be charging for maybe a half hour at a fast charger
(7 minutes with the new BVD batteries) a day.
4) Electric cars are far more efficient in stop-n-go traffic
when compared to petroleum powered vehicles, as they
recover some energy when braking.


For charging stations, there may be infrastructure enhancements
necessary to provide sufficient energy to multi-user charge
points - but most homes (in the USA, anyway) have sufficient
capacity to charge a car (100-200A service entrance
current is common) making the current[pun intended] infrastructure suitable
for most regions in North America.

There have been experiments for charging wirelessly while driving over
certain specially prepared roadways, which would also distribute
the charging current over a larger region if implemented at
some point in the future.

Let's assume that the BYD batteries can be produced en masse
and can actually be charged to 98% in the stated 7 minutes. That
is about the same time as it takes to fill a gas/petrol tank. So the
existing fueling stations can be converted to fast-charging stations
and they'll no longer need daily fuel deliveries (via diesel
trucking), although they might need a higher voltage connection
to the grid to supply enough current for 8-10 fast chargers.

I really don't see any significant downsides to going all-electric.

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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

In article <10stgms$2uvv$1@dont-email.me>, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com> wrote: >On 28/04/2026 00:22, Sn!pe wrote:

All very well when eventually there is the high voltage, high current
infrastructure in place to charge all those electric cars. Don't hold
your breath, the numbers are daunting!

I don't know about other countries, but the National Grid are quite
sanguine concerning the issue. They've been saying for years that they
don't expect to have a problem supplying car chargers.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero-stories/can-grid-cope-extra-demand-electric-cars

The National Grid is a whole lot smaller and easier to change than the
grids in the US... and being smaller they don't have to send power quite
such long distances even if being smaller can sometimes mean less stability. And they also actually plan for the future.

The US isn't quite so great, in spite of solar power being more effective
here than un the UK... partly because the places that have a lot of sun are
not the places where the peak demands occur.

Surprisingly a lot of southeast asian countries are investing in grid
upgrades with the coming of electric vehicles.
--scott
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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:

I really don't see any significant downsides to going all-electric.

I keep grasping for the shifter and it's not there.

Electric cars, though, give the promise of a much simpler design that
could be more maintainable and longer-lived. Unfortunately so many of
the electric car manufacturers are going out of their way to make them
not like that. But that's not the fault of them being electric, it is
the fault of the manufacturers.
--scott
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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

On 4/29/2026 12:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

I really don't see any significant downsides to going all-electric.

I do. All those plans are fine for people living in houses, but those
like me who live in apartment buildings are left out. There is no way
in h*ll my landlord will _EVER_ consider letting tenants charge their
vehicles from the property's electrical connection simply because he
would have to pay install the charging ports and for the electricity.

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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"



On 4/29/26 17:59, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 4/29/2026 12:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

I really don't see any significant downsides to going all-electric.

I do.ÿ All those plans are fine for people living in houses, but those
like me who live in apartment buildings are left out.ÿ There is no way
in h*ll my landlord will _EVER_ consider letting tenants charge their vehicles from the property's electrical connection simply because he
would have to pay install the charging ports and for the electricity.

Some agreement here but on the other hand public charging stations are coming online. Only about a Million and a half so far but another 2
Million on
the way.

If you have parking facilities in your building your landlord can install
then add the cost of installation over time to your rent and put credit card meters on the chargers. I don't have parking in my building sadly though
I am in no way in shape to have chargers or anything but autonomic
vehicle. At 88 I simply cannot afford such facilities. Maybe next year I
will have reduced by debts by enough that I can once more afford a
cell phone.

bliss

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Subject: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

On 30/04/2026 01:10, Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article <10ss7ap$3lca5$4@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

The BYD meet strict N.Z. standards and in 2025 won the award for
Customer Satisfaction after buying a new car.

Which ones were they selling into NZ and are they special NZ/OZ versions?
Any idea what they are like to drive? I haven't driven one in Thailand yet. --scott

Atto, Seal, Sealion and Shark. I know nothing about them except the
shopping basket, the Atto 1, which appears to be similar to every other
small car on offer in NZ except for the wholly electric motor. With
regard to special versions the NZ version is upgraded to the maximum
safety standard, perhaps for marketing purposes.

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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

On 4/29/2026 7:26 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 4/29/26 17:59, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 4/29/2026 12:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

I really don't see any significant downsides to going all-electric.

I do.ÿ All those plans are fine for people living in houses, but those
like me who live in apartment buildings are left out.ÿ There is no way
in h*ll my landlord will _EVER_ consider letting tenants charge their
vehicles from the property's electrical connection simply because he
would have to pay install the charging ports and for the electricity.

ÿÿÿÿSome agreement here but on the other hand public charging stations are coming online.ÿ Only about a Million and a half so far but another 2
Million on
the way.

ÿÿÿÿIf you have parking facilities in your building your landlord can install
then add the cost of installation over time to your rent and put credit
card
meters on the chargers.ÿ I don't have parking in my building sadly though
I am in no way in shape to have chargers or anything but autonomic
vehicle.ÿ At 88 I simply cannot afford such facilities.ÿ Maybe next year I will have reduced by debts by enough that I can once more afford a
cell phone.

My rent is already going up every year by the maximum the law allows.
The landlord claims its because the property taxes are so high. I don't
think he understands that property taxes are public information and
since I work in the building the Assessor's office is in I looked up
what they are for this property. They are less than two months of rent payments.

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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

On 2026-04-30, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

My rent is already going up every year by the
maximum the law allows. The landlord claims
its because the property taxes are so high.
I don't think he understands that property taxes
are public information and since I work in the
building the Assessor's office is in I looked
up what they are for this property. They are
less than two months of rent payments.

But per your own admission, it's the increase
amount that the law allows, which allegedly means
it's in accord with the will of the oh-so-sacred
(to those who worship the notion of "democracy")
majority.

So what's the problem?

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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:

On 4/29/2026 12:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

I really don't see any significant downsides to going all-electric.

I do. All those plans are fine for people living in houses, but those
like me who live in apartment buildings are left out. There is no way
in h*ll my landlord will _EVER_ consider letting tenants charge their >vehicles from the property's electrical connection simply because he
would have to pay install the charging ports and for the electricity.

You snipped the part that explained why I don't see any significant
downside:

A 7-minute charge to 98%[*] is just like filling up your gas tank.

No need to charge at home.

[*] As per the recently announced BYD battery technology.

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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

On 4/29/2026 8:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 4/29/2026 12:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

I really don't see any significant downsides to going all-electric.

I do.ÿ All those plans are fine for people living in houses, but those
like me who live in apartment buildings are left out.ÿ There is no way
in h*ll my landlord will _EVER_ consider letting tenants charge their vehicles from the property's electrical connection simply because he
would have to pay install the charging ports and for the electricity.

Adding EV charging makes a property more attractive to renters.

It can also be mandated by law. Consider Norway [Copilot summary] :

['laderett' points to: https://www.regjeringen.no/en/documents/national-charging-strategy/id2950371/'

Norway does have legal mandates that give tenants in multi?unit housing
a right to install EV chargers, but it does not require landlords to proactively install chargers in all rental properties.

?? What the law actually requires
Norway amended its Housing Associations Act and Owners Section Act in
December 2020, with the rules taking effect 1 January 2021. These laws
apply to condominiums, housing associations, and multi?unit residential buildings, including many rental situations.

The key mandate is the ?charging right? (lade?rett):

If a resident has an assigned parking space, they have the right to
install an EV charging point, and the board can only refuse if there is
a factual, legitimate reason.

If a resident has the right to park but no dedicated space, they can
demand that the board install a charging point, and again the board may
only refuse with a valid reason.

bNorway does have legal mandates that give tenants in multi?unit housing
a right to install EV chargers, but it does not require landlords to proactively install chargers in all rental properties.

?? What the law actually requires
Norway amended its Housing Associations Act and Owners Section Act in
December 2020, with the rules taking effect 1 January 2021. These laws
apply to condominiums, housing associations, and multi?unit residential buildings, including many rental situations.

The key mandate is the ?charging right? (lade?rett):

If a resident has an assigned parking space, they have the right to
install an EV charging point, and the board can only refuse if there is
a factual, legitimate reason.

If a resident has the right to park but no dedicated space, they can
demand that the board install a charging point, and again the board may
only refuse with a valid reason.

? What landlords must do in practice
If a tenant requests EV charging and the property is part of a housing association or owners? section:

The landlord must allow the installation unless the board has a factual
reason to deny it.

The board may require that installation follow safety and technical
standards.

Costs can be allocated according to the building?s internal rules (often
the requesting resident pays for the charger and installation).

There is no mandate that landlords must pre?install chargers in all
rental units.

?? National charging strategy context
Norway?s national charging strategy focuses on public infrastructure,
land?use planning, and grid capacity?not on mandating chargers in
private rentals.

pt






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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

On 4/29/2026 2:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:

I really don't see any significant downsides to going all-electric.

...

"NY?s climate mandates may send fees in affordable Co-Op City complex
soaring from $950 to $4K"

https://nypost.com/2026/04/27/us-news/nys-climate-mandates-may-send-fees-in-affordable-co-op-city-complex-soaring-from-950-to-4k/

"A top Co-Op City official warned that residents could pay four times
more in monthly maintenance charges if New York State?s controversial green-energy laws aren?t peeled back."

"Jeffrey Buss, Co-Op City?s general counsel, claimed monthly maintenance
fees could skyrocket from $950 for a one-bedroom to more than $4,000 to
pick up the tab for the edicts."

The existing CHP, combined heat and power, system running on cheap
natural gas is very efficient.

Lynn


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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

On 4/30/2026 7:47 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:

On 4/29/2026 12:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

I really don't see any significant downsides to going all-electric.

I do. All those plans are fine for people living in houses, but those
like me who live in apartment buildings are left out. There is no way
in h*ll my landlord will _EVER_ consider letting tenants charge their
vehicles from the property's electrical connection simply because he
would have to pay install the charging ports and for the electricity.

You snipped the part that explained why I don't see any significant
downside:

A 7-minute charge to 98%[*] is just like filling up your gas tank.

No need to charge at home.

Actually, yes there IS a need to charge at home where I am. There are a
LOT of EVs around here and it is rare that I see a public charging
station that does NOT already have a vehicle plugged in to it. And some
of the existing ones are being removed as "not profitable enough".

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dirty old man.

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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

On 4/30/2026 11:45 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 4/29/2026 8:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 4/29/2026 12:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

I really don't see any significant downsides to going all-electric.

I do.ÿ All those plans are fine for people living in houses, but those
like me who live in apartment buildings are left out.ÿ There is no way
in h*ll my landlord will _EVER_ consider letting tenants charge their
vehicles from the property's electrical connection simply because he
would have to pay install the charging ports and for the electricity.

Adding EV charging makes a property more attractive to renters.

It can also be mandated by law. Consider Norway [Copilot summary] :

['laderett' points to: https://www.regjeringen.no/en/documents/national- charging-strategy/id2950371/'

Norway does have legal mandates that give tenants in multi?unit housing
a right to install EV chargers, but it does not require landlords to proactively install chargers in all rental properties.

?? What the law actually requires
Norway amended its Housing Associations Act and Owners Section Act in December 2020, with the rules taking effect 1 January 2021. These laws
apply to condominiums, housing associations, and multi?unit residential buildings, including many rental situations.

The key mandate is the ?charging right? (lade?rett):

If a resident has an assigned parking space, they have the right to
install an EV charging point, and the board can only refuse if there is
a factual, legitimate reason.

If a resident has the right to park but no dedicated space, they can
demand that the board install a charging point, and again the board may
only refuse with a valid reason.

bNorway does have legal mandates that give tenants in multi?unit housing
a right to install EV chargers, but it does not require landlords to proactively install chargers in all rental properties.

?? What the law actually requires
Norway amended its Housing Associations Act and Owners Section Act in December 2020, with the rules taking effect 1 January 2021. These laws
apply to condominiums, housing associations, and multi?unit residential buildings, including many rental situations.

The key mandate is the ?charging right? (lade?rett):

If a resident has an assigned parking space, they have the right to
install an EV charging point, and the board can only refuse if there is
a factual, legitimate reason.

If a resident has the right to park but no dedicated space, they can
demand that the board install a charging point, and again the board may
only refuse with a valid reason.

? What landlords must do in practice
If a tenant requests EV charging and the property is part of a housing association or owners? section:

The landlord must allow the installation unless the board has a factual reason to deny it.

The board may require that installation follow safety and technical standards.

Costs can be allocated according to the building?s internal rules (often
the requesting resident pays for the charger and installation).

There is no mandate that landlords must pre?install chargers in all
rental units.

?? National charging strategy context
Norway?s national charging strategy focuses on public infrastructure, land?use planning, and grid capacity?not on mandating chargers in
private rentals.

Well, I don't live in Norway so that doesn't help me. Also the law,
from what you wrote, only gives the tenant the right to install a
charging point _AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE_. So again, not an option for me
as I'm already struggling financially.

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Subject: Re: Re: ?IEA?s Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand?

In article <10sutch$ect1$2@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >Atto, Seal, Sealion and Shark. I know nothing about them except the

shopping basket, the Atto 1, which appears to be similar to every other
small car on offer in NZ except for the wholly electric motor. With
regard to special versions the NZ version is upgraded to the maximum
safety standard, perhaps for marketing purposes.

I don't know the Shark but the first three are sold in Europe so they are probably just making a variant off the EU spec ones for NZ. That's kind of
the key to the thing... once you can meet one spec, variants to meet similar ones are a lot easier than they used to be.

Unless you have a giant American vehicle that you want to sell in a country where there are rules about pedestrian safety. That is still an issue for American companies trying to sell abroad.
--scott


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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:

On 4/30/2026 7:47 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:

On 4/29/2026 12:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

I really don't see any significant downsides to going all-electric.

I do. All those plans are fine for people living in houses, but those
like me who live in apartment buildings are left out. There is no way
in h*ll my landlord will _EVER_ consider letting tenants charge their
vehicles from the property's electrical connection simply because he
would have to pay install the charging ports and for the electricity.

You snipped the part that explained why I don't see any significant
downside:

A 7-minute charge to 98%[*] is just like filling up your gas tank.

No need to charge at home.

Actually, yes there IS a need to charge at home where I am. There are a
LOT of EVs around here and it is rare that I see a public charging
station that does NOT already have a vehicle plugged in to it. And some
of the existing ones are being removed as "not profitable enough".

We were speaking of a future where electric cars with the range
and charge times are improved to that of the BYD announced numbers;
where the remaining gas stations have rows of chargers instead
of rows of pumps. It takes 5-7 minutes today to gas up, if
the charge time is similar (BYD claims 7 minutes to 98% for
their new battery tech), it will be no different than filling
up today.

Although unlike petroleum fuels, electric cars can be charged
at home as well as at charging stations, and I would expect that
there will be fewer charging stations than the current
number of gasoline pumps over time.

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Subject: Re: "IEA's Birol Says Iran War Will Permanently Cut Into Future Oil Demand"



On 4/30/26 06:46, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 4/29/2026 7:26 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 4/29/26 17:59, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 4/29/2026 12:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

I really don't see any significant downsides to going all-electric.

I do.ÿ All those plans are fine for people living in houses, but
those like me who live in apartment buildings are left out.ÿ There is
no way in h*ll my landlord will _EVER_ consider letting tenants
charge their vehicles from the property's electrical connection
simply because he would have to pay install the charging ports and
for the electricity.

ÿÿÿÿÿSome agreement here but on the other hand public charging
stations are
coming online.ÿ Only about a Million and a half so far but another 2
Million on
the way.

ÿÿÿÿÿIf you have parking facilities in your building your landlord can
install
then add the cost of installation over time to your rent and put
credit card
meters on the chargers.ÿ I don't have parking in my building sadly though
I am in no way in shape to have chargers or anything but autonomic
vehicle.ÿ At 88 I simply cannot afford such facilities.ÿ Maybe next
year I
will have reduced by debts by enough that I can once more afford a
cell phone.

My rent is already going up every year by the maximum the law allows.
The landlord claims its because the property taxes are so high.ÿ I don't think he understands that property taxes are public information and
since I work in the building the Assessor's office is in I looked up
what they are for this property.ÿ They are less than two months of rent payments.

Well that is two months of rent payments he cannot bank so of course he is upset. Oh I feel so sorry for landlords with such terrible wallet
problems.
So sorry.... exit sarcastic mode

My own rent is Controlled by the Rent Board of San Francisco. It includes
not only property tax but the various voter approved bond measures. In addition
I have to pay each year for the property to be registered with the Rent
Board.

I moved in at $124/month and it is now nearly $655 which is over the term of my tenancy since 1974 more than a 5X increase. The property tax
is raised due to speculators who bought at lower prices and insured at
higher
rates.

Of course the Cost Of Living has gone up in that time. I was working as a Nurse LVN not RN when I moved in and my present SS stipend is
about double the most I ever recieved in a paycheck. Otherwise I could
not afford computer or ISP much less rent and food.

bliss

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