So, what?s the plural of ?Jedi?? Should it be ?Jedis?, or
(Hebrew-style) ?Jedim??
Or is it in fact already a plural? So what?s the singular? ?Jedus??
Saturday, Lawrence D?Oliveiro observed:
So, what?s the plural of ?Jedi?? Should it be ?Jedis?, or
(Hebrew-style) ?Jedim??
Or is it in fact already a plural? So what?s the singular? ?Jedus??
Wikipedia suggests that it is spelled the same whether used as a
singular or a plural.
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 21:12:39 -0700, Snidely wrote:
Wikipedia suggests that it is spelled the same whether used as a
singular or a plural.
Kind of a noun without number? Like flour? [...]
Le 26/07/2026 … 06:36, Lawrence D?Oliveiro a ‚crit :
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 21:12:39 -0700, Snidely wrote:
Wikipedia suggests that it is spelled the same whether used as a
singular or a plural.
Kind of a noun without number? Like flour? [...]
Flour has a plural form, e.g.: different flours (wheat, buckwheat,
maize flour?) have different properties.
"Wheat mixtures used in the manufacture of bread-making flours vary according to the wheats available and the special circumstances of individual milling businesses" - 'Hansard', quoted here: <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flour>
On 2026-07-26 07:48:53 +0000, Hibou said:
"Flour" has two plural versions: "flour" and "flours".
"Flours" tends to be less often used because it is a bit cumbersome.
More often the phrase "types of flour" would be used instead.
Saturday, Lawrence D?Oliveiro observed:?Jedus??
So, what?s the plural of ?Jedi?? Should it be ?Jedis?, or
(Hebrew-style) ?Jedim??
Or is it in fact already a plural? So what?s the singular?
Wikipedia suggests that it is spelled the same whether used as a
singular or a plural. Jedi Knight or Jedi Knights is also used, and
the collective term is The Jedi Order.
More specialized pedias might or might not agree.
Wikipedia suggests that it is spelled the same whether used as a
singular or a plural. Jedi Knight or Jedi Knights is also used, and
the collective term is The Jedi Order.
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 21:12:39 -0700, Snidely wrote:
Wikipedia suggests that it is spelled the same whether used as a
singular or a plural. Jedi Knight or Jedi Knights is also used, and
the collective term is The Jedi Order.
Everyone who has seen the movies knows it's '(the) Jedi'.
A friend of my nephew's was related to someone responsible for
producing the costumes used in the original 1972 film
A friend of my nephew's was related to someone responsible for
producing the costumes used in the original 1972 film
Surely it wasn't that early. I saw it in the cinema (and thought
it was rubbish), and that was much later.
Le 26/07/2026 … 09:37, Your Name a ‚crit :
On 2026-07-26 07:48:53 +0000, Hibou said:
"Flour" has two plural versions: "flour" and "flours".
Is 'flour' plural'? These flour? Many flour? I think not.
"Flours" tends to be less often used because it is a bit cumbersome.
More often the phrase "types of flour" would be used instead.
I don't see 'flours' as cumbersome - and:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=flours%2Ctypes+of+flour&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>
This shows 'flours' as forty times commoner than 'types of flour'.
'Flour' is a 'mass noun' - but one can have more than one mass. The
rains came, I like different butters, he's taking the waters?.
Den 26.07.2026 kl. 21.43 skrev Richard Tobin:
A friend of my nephew's was related to someone responsible for
producing the costumes used in the original 1972 film
Surely it wasn't that early. I saw it in the cinema (and thought it
was rubbish), and that was much later.
Wikipedia:
began with the original Star Wars film (1977)
Flour has a plural form, e.g.: different flours (wheat, buckwheat,
maize flour?) have different properties.
"Wheat mixtures used in the manufacture of bread-making flours vary
according to the wheats available and the special circumstances of
individual milling businesses" - 'Hansard', quoted here: <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flour>
On 2026-07-26 08:49:10 +0000, Hibou said:
Is 'flour' plural'? These flour? Many flour? I think not.
Yes "flour" is also a plural, e.g. "The flour" similar to "the tigers"
or "the boats".
"Flours" tends to be less often used because it is a bit cumbersome. More often the phrase "types of flour" would be used instead.
I don't see 'flours' as cumbersome - and:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?
content=flours%2Ctypes+of+flour&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>
This shows 'flours' as forty times commoner than 'types of flour'.
You started in 1800 ... maybe I should have said "has become less often used".ÿ :-p
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 08:48:53 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Flour has a plural form, e.g.: different flours (wheat, buckwheat,
maize flour?) have different properties.
"Wheat mixtures used in the manufacture of bread-making flours vary
according to the wheats available and the special circumstances of
individual milling businesses" - 'Hansard', quoted here:
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flour>
You could grow the different varieties in your garden, even.
?My garden is full of flours.?
?Must look very pretty, this time of year.?
?I?m looking for a place to have them ground.?
?Why, do they grow on trees??
In article <1785093030-12588@newsgrouper.org>,
athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
A friend of my nephew's was related to someone responsible for
producing the costumes used in the original 1972 film
Surely it wasn't that early. I saw it in the cinema (and thought
it was rubbish), and that was much later.
Le 26/07/2026 … 23:40, Your Name a ‚crit :
On 2026-07-26 08:49:10 +0000, Hibou said:
Is 'flour' plural'? These flour? Many flour? I think not.
Yes "flour" is also a plural, e.g. "The flour" similar to "the tigers"
or "the boats".
The boats are coming etc.? The flour are milled? Can you give an
example of 'flour' behaving as a plural noun?
Le 27/07/2026 … 00:12, Lawrence D?Oliveiro a ‚crit :
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 08:48:53 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Flour has a plural form, e.g.: different flours (wheat, buckwheat,
maize flour?) have different properties.
"Wheat mixtures used in the manufacture of bread-making flours vary
according to the wheats available and the special circumstances of
individual milling businesses" - 'Hansard', quoted here:
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flour>
You could grow the different varieties in your garden, even.
?My garden is full of flours.?
?Must look very pretty, this time of year.?
?I?m looking for a place to have them ground.?
?Why, do they grow on trees??
English is full of homonyms. Context usually sorts them out.
richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) posted:
In article <1785093030-12588@newsgrouper.org>,
athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
A friend of my nephew's was related to someone responsible for
producing the costumes used in the original 1972 film
Surely it wasn't that early. I saw it in the cinema (and thought
it was rubbish), and that was much later.
I was probably wrong about the dates. I never saw the film or any of the sequels.
On 2026-07-27 05:42:17 +0000, Hibou said:
Le 26/07/2026 … 23:40, Your Name a ‚crit :
On 2026-07-26 08:49:10 +0000, Hibou said:
Is 'flour' plural'? These flour? Many flour? I think not.
Yes "flour" is also a plural, e.g. "The flour" similar to "the
tigers" or "the boats".
The boats are coming etc.? The flour are milled? Can you give an
example of 'flour' behaving as a plural noun?
ÿÿ The noun flour can be countable or uncountable. [...]
ÿÿ Flour as a Plural Noun in Example Sentences:
ÿÿÿÿ 1.ÿ We need to buy several bags of flour.
ÿÿÿÿ 2.ÿ The shelves were stocked with different types of flour.
ÿÿÿÿ 3.ÿ The bakery ordered large quantities of flour.
ÿÿÿÿ 4.ÿ She stored the different flours in separate containers.
ÿÿÿÿ 5.ÿ They experimented with various flours for the recipe.
ÿÿÿÿ 6.ÿ The chef mixed different flours to create a blend.
ÿÿÿÿ 7.ÿ The store offered a wide variety of flours.
ÿÿÿÿ 8.ÿ The recipe required mixing multiple types of flour.
ÿÿÿÿ 9.ÿ The bakers measured the different flours precisely.
ÿÿÿÿ 10. The gluten-free section had alternative flours available.
ÿÿ <https://engdic.org/flour-plural-what-is-the-plural-of-flour/>
ÿÿ Only countable nouns have a plural forum. Uncountable nouns
ÿÿ (example ?milk?, ?flour?, ?water?) do not have a plural form.
ÿÿ <https://www.crownacademyenglish.com/plural-forms-english-nouns/> [...]
On 2026-07-27 05:42:19 +0000, Hibou said:
Le 27/07/2026 … 00:12, Lawrence D?Oliveiro a ‚crit :
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 08:48:53 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Flour has a plural form, e.g.: different flours (wheat, buckwheat,
maize flour?) have different properties.
"Wheat mixtures used in the manufacture of bread-making flours vary
according to the wheats available and the special circumstances of
individual milling businesses" - 'Hansard', quoted here:
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flour>
You could grow the different varieties in your garden, even.
?My garden is full of flours.?
?Must look very pretty, this time of year.?
?I?m looking for a place to have them ground.?
?Why, do they grow on trees??
English is full of homonyms. Context usually sorts them out.
Ye olde English word, up to about 1830, for "flour" was actually "flower". <https://www.etymonline.com/word/flour>
ÿÿ Only countable nouns have a plural forum.
Uncountable nouns
ÿÿ (example ?milk?, ?flour?, ?water?) do not have a plural form.
On 2026-07-26 08:49:10 +0000, Hibou said:
Le 26/07/2026 ? 09:37, Your Name a ?crit :
On 2026-07-26 07:48:53 +0000, Hibou said:
"Flour" has two plural versions: "flour" and "flours".
Is 'flour' plural'? These flour? Many flour? I think not.
Yes "flour" is also a plural, e.g. "The flour" similar to "the tigers"
or "the boats".
'Flour' is a 'mass noun' - but one can have more than one mass. The
rains came, I like different butters, he's taking the waters?.
Flour as a Plural Noun in Example Sentences:
1. We need to buy several bags of flour.
2. The shelves were stocked with different types of flour.
3. The bakery ordered large quantities of flour.
1. We need to buy several bags of flour.
"Flour" is not plural. "Bags" is plural.
So, what?s the plural of ?Jedi?? Should it be ?Jedis?, or
(Hebrew-style) ?Jedim??
Or is it in fact already a plural? So what?s the singular? ?Jedus??
On 26/07/2026 01:35, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
So, what?s the plural of ?Jedi?? Should it be ?Jedis?, or
(Hebrew-style) ?Jedim??
There is also "Jedayim"
Or is it in fact already a plural? So what?s the singular? ?Jedus??
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
All Jedi are singular - because once a knight is enough.
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:14:19 +0200, occam wrote:
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
That?s an adjective: ?French ®noun¯?, where ®noun¯ defaults to ?person?/?people? if omitted:
French window
French lesson
French car
French [person]
?She came in through the Jedi window, protected by a silver spoon ...?
On 28/07/2026 10:08, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:defaults to
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:14:19 +0200, occam wrote:
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
That?s an adjective: ?French ?noun??, where ?noun?
...??person?/?people? if omitted:
French window
French lesson
French car
French [person]
?She came in through the Jedi window, protected by a silver spoon
Eh? What is a Jedi window? Do you mean like a French window? Then you
should know that the French (pl. noun) don't call it a French (adj.)
window. They call it a "porte-fen?tre" ('a door-window').
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 10:47:43 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 28/07/2026 10:08, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:14:19 +0200, occam wrote:
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
That?s an adjective: ?French ®noun¯?, where ®noun¯ defaults to
?person?/?people? if omitted:
French window
French lesson
French car
French [person]
?She came in through the Jedi window, protected by a silver spoon ...?
Eh? What is a Jedi window? Do you mean like a French window? Then you
should know that the French (pl. noun) don't call it a French (adj.)
window. They call it a "porte-fenˆtre" ('a door-window').
IIRC, there was a "Jedi Temple". If so, then "Jedi window" is
conceivable.
Perhaps it would have a light saber anti-theft device, who can say?
I suspect they don't use "french fries" or "french toast" either.
And then there's the French disease ...
Le 28/07/2026 … 08:14, occam a ‚crit :
On 26/07/2026 01:35, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
So, what?s the plural of ?Jedi?? Should it be ?Jedis?, or
(Hebrew-style) ?Jedim??
There is also "Jedayim"
Or is it in fact already a plural? So what?s the singular? ?Jedus??
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
All Jedi are singular - because once a knight is enough.
On 28/07/2026 17:40, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 10:47:43 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 28/07/2026 10:08, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:14:19 +0200, occam wrote:
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
That?s an adjective: ?French ®noun¯?, where ®noun¯ defaults to
?person?/?people? if omitted:
French window
French lesson
French car
French [person]
?She came in through the Jedi window, protected by a silver spoon ...?
Eh? What is a Jedi window? Do you mean like a French window? Then you
should know that the French (pl. noun) don't call it a French (adj.)
window. They call it a "porte-fenˆtre" ('a door-window').
IIRC, there was a "Jedi Temple". If so, then "Jedi window" is
conceivable.
Perhaps it would have a light saber anti-theft device, who can say?
I suspect they don't use "french fries" or "french toast" either.
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
And then there's the French disease ...
And also French letters... which are for wearing, to prevent catching
the French disease.
On 28/07/2026 17:40, Paul S Person wrote:
I suspect they don't use "french fries" or "french toast" either.
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is
made from stale bread.)
Does that mean that the French for "French" is "anglais"?
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam wrote:
French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is
made from stale bread.)
Proust looking for something to make breakfast with in the morning ...
?… la recherche du pain perdu? ...
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 08:27:20 +0100, Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 28/07/2026 … 08:14, occam a ‚crit :
On 26/07/2026 01:35, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
So, what?s the plural of ?Jedi?? Should it be ?Jedis?, or
(Hebrew-style) ?Jedim??
There is also "Jedayim"
Or is it in fact already a plural? So what?s the singular? ?Jedus??
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
All Jedi are singular - because once a knight is enough.
Doesn't "Jedi" on its own refer to the order -- "The Jedi"?
Otherwise it's an adjective.
You wouldn't say "He's a Jedi" but rather "He's a Jedi knight".
Or am I misremembering?
On 29/07/26 08:37, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam wrote:
French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is
made from stale bread.)
Proust looking for something to make breakfast with in the morning ...
?… la recherche du pain perdu? ...
ÿ<like>
Le 28/07/2026 … 19:25, Steve Hayes a ‚crit :
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 08:27:20 +0100, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 28/07/2026 … 08:14, occam a ‚crit :
On 26/07/2026 01:35, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
So, what?s the plural of ?Jedi?? Should it be ?Jedis?, or
(Hebrew-style) ?Jedim??
There is also "Jedayim"
Or is it in fact already a plural? So what?s the singular? ?Jedus??
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
All Jedi are singular - because once a knight is enough.
Doesn't "Jedi" on its own refer to the order -- "The Jedi"?
Otherwise it's an adjective.
You wouldn't say "He's a Jedi" but rather "He's a Jedi knight".
Or am I misremembering?
Wikipedia is happy to use 'Jedi' as a noun in place of 'Jedi Knight[s]': <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi>.
(I have no knowledge or opinion myself, since I was never a fan of the
films and it's yonks since I've seen one.)
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam wrote:
French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is
made from stale bread.)
Proust looking for something to make breakfast with in the morning ...
?… la recherche du pain perdu? ...
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 08:27:20 +0100, Hibou ><vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:?Jedus??
Le 28/07/2026 ? 08:14, occam a ?crit :
On 26/07/2026 01:35, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
So, what?s the plural of ?Jedi?? Should it be ?Jedis?, or
(Hebrew-style) ?Jedim??
There is also "Jedayim"
Or is it in fact already a plural? So what?s the singular?
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
All Jedi are singular - because once a knight is enough.
Doesn't "Jedi" on its own refer to the order -- "The Jedi"?
Otherwise it's an adjective.
You wouldn't say "He's a Jedi" but rather "He's a Jedi knight".
Or am I misremembering?--
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost >bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
<snippo "French fries" as something the French would not use>
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost >>bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
Now /that/ is obscure.
Are you saying "yes, the French do not call them 'French fries'"
or are you saying "the sons-of-Trump are Belgian" or something else
entirely?
Because I can assure you that /lots/ of people in the USA call them
"French fries". Well, except a couple decades ago, when they were
called "Freedom fries" (IIRC) for a while. Something to do with our >unprovoked and unnecessary invasion of Iraq, IIRC.
The latter, of course, was in the pattern of calling sauerkraut
"victory cabbage" in WWI.
I actually had Belgian waffles during an all-to-brief stay in Belgium.
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
<snippo "French fries" as something the French would not use>
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost >bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
Now /that/ is obscure.
Are you saying "yes, the French do not call them 'French fries'"
or are you saying "the sons-of-Trump are Belgian" or something else
entirely?
Because I can assure you that /lots/ of people in the USA call them
"French fries". Well, except a couple decades ago, when they were
called "Freedom fries" (IIRC) for a while. Something to do with our unprovoked and unnecessary invasion of Iraq, IIRC.
The latter, of course, was in the pattern of calling sauerkraut
"victory cabbage" in WWI.
I actually had Belgian waffles during an all-to-brief stay in Belgium.
On 2026-07-29 05:41:33 +0000, Hibou said:
Le 28/07/2026 ?ÿ 19:25, Steve Hayes a ??crit :
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 08:27:20 +0100, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 28/07/2026 ?ÿ 08:14, occam a ??crit :
On 26/07/2026 01:35, Lawrence Dƒ??Oliveiro wrote:
So, whatƒ??s the plural of ƒ??Jediƒ??? Should it be ƒ??Jedisƒ??, or >>>>>> (Hebrew-style) ƒ??Jedimƒ???
There is also "Jedayim"
Or is it in fact already a plural? So whatƒ??s the singular? ƒ??Jedusƒ???
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
All Jedi are singular - because once a knight is enough.
Doesn't "Jedi" on its own refer to the order -- "The Jedi"?
Otherwise it's an adjective.
You wouldn't say "He's a Jedi" but rather "He's a Jedi knight".
Or am I misremembering?
Wikipedia is happy to use 'Jedi' as a noun in place of 'Jedi Knight[s]':
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi>.
"Jedi" can mean the organisation itself ("Jedi Order"), a group of >individuals belonging to the organisation ("Jedi Knights", "Jedi >Younglings", "Jedi Padawans"), or one individual belonging to the >organisation ("Jedi Knight", "Jedi Youngling", "Jedi Padawan").
Le 28/07/2026 ? 23:37, Lawrence D'Oliveiro a ?crit :
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam wrote:
French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is
made from stale bread.)
Proust looking for something to make breakfast with in the morning ...
"? la recherche du pain perdu" ...
<Smile>
If he'd opened his braguette, he might have found a baguette.
(Inutile de vous plaindre. D?j?, je ne suis plus l?.)
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 19:52:27 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-07-29 05:41:33 +0000, Hibou said:
Le 28/07/2026 ?ÿ 19:25, Steve Hayes a ??crit :
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 08:27:20 +0100, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 28/07/2026 ?ÿ 08:14, occam a ??crit :
On 26/07/2026 01:35, Lawrence Dƒ??Oliveiro wrote:
So, whatƒ??s the plural of ƒ??Jediƒ??? Should it be ƒ??Jedisƒ??, or >>>>>>> (Hebrew-style) ƒ??Jedimƒ???
There is also "Jedayim"
Or is it in fact already a plural? So whatƒ??s the singular? ƒ??Jedusƒ???
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
All Jedi are singular - because once a knight is enough.
Doesn't "Jedi" on its own refer to the order -- "The Jedi"?
Otherwise it's an adjective.
You wouldn't say "He's a Jedi" but rather "He's a Jedi knight".
Or am I misremembering?
Wikipedia is happy to use 'Jedi' as a noun in place of 'Jedi Knight[s]': >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi>.
"Jedi" can mean the organisation itself ("Jedi Order"), a group of
individuals belonging to the organisation ("Jedi Knights", "Jedi
Younglings", "Jedi Padawans"), or one individual belonging to the
organisation ("Jedi Knight", "Jedi Youngling", "Jedi Padawan").
Even the Wikipedia article does not mention "a Jedi".
It mentions "the Jedi" in contexts that indicate that it is plural. In contexts where it refers to a singular subject or object, "Jedi" is
always an adjective, not a noun.
Le 28/07/2026 … 23:37, Lawrence D?Oliveiro a ‚crit :
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam wrote:
French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is
made from stale bread.)
Proust looking for something to make breakfast with in the morning ...
?… la recherche du pain perdu? ...
<Smile>
If he'd opened his braguette, he might have found a baguette.
(Inutile de vous plaindre. D‚j…, je ne suis plus l….)
So, what?s the plural of ?Jedi?? Should it be ?Jedis?, or
(Hebrew-style) ?Jedim??
Yoda in "Return of the Jedi":
Yoda (shakes his head) "Ohhh. Not yet. One thing remains: Vader.
You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be."
Luke Skywalker in "Return of the jedi":
"You failed, your Highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me."
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
<snippo "French fries" as something the French would not use>
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost
bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
Now /that/ is obscure.
Are you saying "yes, the French do not call them 'French fries'"
or are you saying "the sons-of-Trump are Belgian" or something else
entirely?
Because I can assure you that /lots/ of people in the USA call them
"French fries". Well, except a couple decades ago, when they were
called "Freedom fries" (IIRC) for a while. Something to do with our unprovoked and unnecessary invasion of Iraq, IIRC.
The latter, of course, was in the pattern of calling sauerkraut
"victory cabbage" in WWI.
I actually had Belgian waffles during an all-to-brief stay in Belgium.
On 29/07/2026 17:56, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
<snippo "French fries" as something the French would not use>
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost >>> bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
Now /that/ is obscure.
Are you saying "yes, the French do not call them 'French fries'" or are
you saying "the sons-of-Trump are Belgian" or something else entirely?
I agree. The sentence as it stands is awkwardly constructed. To clarify:
- The French do not call fries 'French fries'
- The original fries are Belgian (not French).
- the sons-of-Trump can call them what they like - it makes no
difference to the rest of the world. ('Gulf of America' my arse!)
On 2026-07-30 06:52:41 +0000, occam said:
On 29/07/2026 17:56, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
<snippo "French fries" as something the French would not use>
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost >>> bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
Now /that/ is obscure.
Are you saying "yes, the French do not call them 'French fries'" or are
you saying "the sons-of-Trump are Belgian" or something else entirely?
I agree. The sentence as it stands is awkwardly constructed. To clarify:
- The French do not call fries 'French fries'
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without
a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
- The original fries are Belgian (not French).
In Belgium they are called "frites" by French speakers, "frieten" by
Dutch speaker, and "friture" by German speakers.
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 08:56:48 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:('lost
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
<snippo "French fries" as something the French would not use>
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu'
bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
Now /that/ is obscure.
Are you saying "yes, the French do not call them 'French fries'"
or are you saying "the sons-of-Trump are Belgian" or something else
entirely?
The latter, namely: the fries are Belgian.
Because I can assure you that /lots/ of people in the USA call them
"French fries". Well, except a couple decades ago, when they were
called "Freedom fries" (IIRC) for a while. Something to do with our
unprovoked and unnecessary invasion of Iraq, IIRC.
The latter, of course, was in the pattern of calling sauerkraut
"victory cabbage" in WWI.
I actually had Belgian waffles during an all-to-brief stay in Belgium.
You didn't try the fries with mussels?
On 29/07/2026 17:56, Paul S Person wrote:('lost
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
<snippo "French fries" as something the French would not use>
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu'
bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
Now /that/ is obscure.
Are you saying "yes, the French do not call them 'French fries'"
or are you saying "the sons-of-Trump are Belgian" or something else
entirely?
I agree. The sentence as it stands is awkwardly constructed. To clarify:
- The French do not call fries 'French fries'
- The original fries are Belgian (not French).
- the sons-of-Trump can call them what they like - it makes no
difference to the rest of the world. ('Gulf of America' my arse!)
Because I can assure you that /lots/ of people in the USA call them
"French fries". Well, except a couple decades ago, when they were
called "Freedom fries" (IIRC) for a while. Something to do with our
unprovoked and unnecessary invasion of Iraq, IIRC.
The latter, of course, was in the pattern of calling sauerkraut
"victory cabbage" in WWI.
I actually had Belgian waffles during an all-to-brief stay in Belgium.
I think you mean 'all-too-brief'. Just out of interest were you sold >'Gaufres' or 'Wafels'?
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:wrote:
On 2026-07-30 06:52:41 +0000, occam said:
On 29/07/2026 17:56, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix>
-
<snippo "French fries" as something the French would not use>
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump
('lostbecause they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu'
arebread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
Now /that/ is obscure.
Are you saying "yes, the French do not call them 'French fries'" or
entirely?you saying "the sons-of-Trump are Belgian" or something else
clarify:
I agree. The sentence as it stands is awkwardly constructed. To
- The French do not call fries 'French fries'
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without
a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates
word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
- The original fries are Belgian (not French).
In Belgium they are called "frites" by French speakers, "frieten" by
Dutch speaker, and "friture" by German speakers.
It is more complicated than that, ><https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patat-frietgrens>
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 23:35:48 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:
So, what?s the plural of ?Jedi?? Should it be ?Jedis?, or
(Hebrew-style) ?Jedim??
Or even, ?Jeday?n?? Kind of a ?Star Wars meets Arrakis? vibe.
I know, I know, ?don?t cross the memes? ...
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without a
hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates
word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
In Belgium they are called "frites" by French speakers, "frieten" by
Dutch speaker, and "friture" by German speakers.
It is more complicated than that, <https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patat-frietgrens>
In Belgium they are called "frites" by French speakers, "frieten" by
Dutch speaker, and "friture" by German speakers.
In Belgium they are called "frites" by French speakers, "frieten" by
Dutch speaker, and "friture" by German speakers.
I thought the German speakers called them "fritten". It's what we say in Limburg.
(And while we're at it ... cabbage is a species that's a category
all by itself, no?)
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 11:18:00 -0700, Snidely wrote:
(And while we're at it ... cabbage is a species that's a category
all by itself, no?)
I can remember ?cabbage? being referred to as ?salad? by certain
friends & family when young.
Then I discovered that it could be from a German thing ...
I can remember ?cabbage? being referred to as ?salad? by certain
friends & family when young.
Then I discovered that it could be from a German thing ...
Remember Thursday, when Lawrence D?Oliveiro asked plaintively:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 11:18:00 -0700, Snidely wrote:
(And while we're at it ... cabbage is a species that's a
category all by itself, no?)
I can remember ?cabbage? being referred to as ?salad? by certain
friends & family when young.
Then I discovered that it could be from a German thing ...
Or a "Belgian" thing. Or "Italian".
Kohlrabi may be your German thing, but the same species is certain
sprouts and also broccoli. Then there's the cultivar called
"cauliflower", which is not on my wish list.
On 29/07/26 20:45, Hibou wrote:
Le 28/07/2026 … 23:37, Lawrence D?Oliveiro a ‚crit :
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam wrote:
French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is
made from stale bread.)
Proust looking for something to make breakfast with in the morning ...
?… la recherche du pain perdu? ...
<Smile>
If he'd opened his braguette, he might have found a baguette.
Are you talking about Flench flies?
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without
a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates
word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
The same should work for broccoli, but only if it's freshly picked
from the garden. If it's from the supermarket, treat it with
suspicion.
Kohlrabi may be your German thing, but the same species is certain
sprouts and also broccoli.ÿ Then there's the cultivar called
"cauliflower", which is not on my wish list.
Cauliflower is delicious if cooked properly. The trick is to steam it so lightly that it is still crunchy.
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without
a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates
word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it? No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it
is French.)
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without
a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates
word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it? No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it
is French.)
Le 31/07/2026 … 08:12, occam a ‚crit :
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it?ÿ No difference between "pomme de terre"ÿÿ and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it
is French.)
<Linguistic licence begins>
Faut ˆtre une /patate/ pour les confondre.
One has to be a /spud or idiot/ to confuse them.
<As you were>
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it? No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it
is French.)
You should redirect your odd feelings.
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
Jan
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it?ÿ No difference between "pomme de terre"ÿÿ and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind?
( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it
is French.)
Oui. Proust would have been all right if he'd had a euro in his pocket
and a baguette vending machine nearby.
<https://pic.infini.fr/3GgtHvOK/uHiLeYYd.jpg> (link valid 15 days)
On 31/07/2026 13:32, Hibou wrote:
<Linguistic licence begins>
Faut ˆtre une /patate/ pour les confondre.
One has to be a /spud or idiot/ to confuse them.
<As you were>
I note that you have called Bertel a 'spud'
Le 31/07/2026 ? 13:55, occam a ?crit :
On 31/07/2026 13:32, Hibou wrote:
<Linguistic licence begins>
Faut ?tre une /patate/ pour les confondre.
One has to be a /spud or idiot/ to confuse them.
<As you were>
I note that you have called Bertel a 'spud'
Ah well. It wouldn't be the first attempt at a bon mot that has caused collateral damage.
I note that you have called Bertel a 'spud'
Den 31.07.2026 kl. 13.32 skrev Hibou:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it?ÿ No difference between "pomme de terre"ÿÿ and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind?
Certainly. It's only in the expression "pommes frites" that "pomme"
means "potatoes". Have you seen French fried apples?
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 19:14:11 +1200, Your Name wrote:
8< selective snip >8
In Belgium they are called "frites" by French speakers, "frieten" by Dutch speaker, and "friture" by German speakers.
I thought the German speakers called them "fritten". It's what we say in Limburg.
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips".
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without
a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates
word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it? No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ('Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it
is French.)
Den 31.07.2026 kl. 13.32 skrev Hibou:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it?? No difference between "pomme de terre"?and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind?
Certainly. It's only in the expression "pommes frites" that "pomme"
means "potatoes". Have you seen French fried apples?
( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it is French.)
There's a Danish name for a vegetable called "jordskok" (earth-'skok').
We also have "artiskok" and "knoldskok". I haven't heard about the
latter until I looked up "skok".
jordskok = Jerusalem artichoke
https://www.kogebog.dk/547/jordskok
artiskok = artichoke https://jeannedarcliving.dk/mad-opskrifter/lkkerier-af-artiskokker
On 31/07/2026 15:14, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 31.07.2026 kl. 13.32 skrev Hibou:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it?? No difference between "pomme de terre"?? and "pomme" (apple) in >>>> your mind?
Certainly. It's only in the expression "pommes frites" that "pomme"
means "potatoes". Have you seen French fried apples?
https://heritagecuisines.com/fried-apples-recipe/
P.S. 'Southern' means > N. Orleans means > French
Ar an triochad£ l de m¡ I£il, scr¡obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call ?crisps??
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:55:15 +0200, occam wrote:
I note that you have called Bertel a 'spud'
'spud'... I don't hear that often enough, but when I do I think
of...
<https://trainspotting-film.fandom.com/wiki/Spud>
Le 31/07/2026 … 08:12, occam a ‚crit :
Is it? No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme"
(apple) in your mind? ( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as
odd, but then, it is French.)
<Linguistic licence begins>
Faut ˆtre une /patate/ pour les confondre.
One has to be a /spud or idiot/ to confuse them.
<As you were>
Ar an triochad£ l de m¡ I£il, scr¡obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call ?crisps??
On 01/08/26 01:55, s|b wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:55:15 +0200, occam wrote:
I note that you have called Bertel a 'spud'
'spud'... I don't hear that often enough, but when I do I think
of...
<https://trainspotting-film.fandom.com/wiki/Spud>
Spuds, in the potato sense, are still normal AusE.
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad? l? de m? I?il, scr?obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call ?crisps??
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
In south-east France, I was told, une papate means a woman's buttocks.
Is that meaning still current?
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad£ l de m¡ I£il, scr¡obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are
called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call ?crisps??
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
On 2026-07-31 23:22:01 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad£ l de m¡ I£il, scr¡obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call ?crisps??
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
"Potato chips" also distinguishes them from all the new-fangeled silly
things like "pea chips", "bean chips", "banana chips", "apple chips", etc.
On 01/08/26 11:42, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-07-31 23:22:01 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad£ l de m¡ I£il, scr¡obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call ?crisps??
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
"Potato chips" also distinguishes them from all the new-fangeled silly
things like "pea chips", "bean chips", "banana chips", "apple chips", etc.
Cow chips.
On 01/08/26 11:42, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-07-31 23:22:01 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad£ l de m¡ I£il, scr¡obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call ?crisps??
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
"Potato chips" also distinguishes them from all the new-fangeled silly
things like "pea chips", "bean chips", "banana chips", "apple chips", etc.
Cow chips.
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 08:09:49 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Oui. Proust would have been all right if he'd had a euro in his pocket
and a baguette vending machine nearby.
<https://pic.infini.fr/3GgtHvOK/uHiLeYYd.jpg> (link valid 15 days)
These can't be good in this heat.
In south-east France, I was told, une papate means a woman's buttocks.
Is that meaning still current?
On 01/08/26 01:55, s|b wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:55:15 +0200, occam wrote:
I note that you have called Bertel a 'spud'
'spud'... I don't hear that often enough, but when I do I think
of...
<https://trainspotting-film.fandom.com/wiki/Spud>
Spuds, in the potato sense, are still normal AusE.
At school we used to use "spud" for a hole in a sock. Seen through the
hole, you had the impression of seeing a potato.
> In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are
> called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call ?crisps??
Den 01.08.2026 kl. 01.18 skrev Peter Moylan:
In south-east France, I was told, une papate means a woman's buttocks.
Is that meaning still current?
Larousse doesn't know that meaning:
https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais-anglais/patate/58234
Den 01.08.2026 kl. 00.09 skrev Aidan Kehoe:
> In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are
> called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call ?crisps??
The description in Oxford Learner's sounds like those I described as "the thin ones", so it's "chips" - which by the way covers many kinds of snacks.
On 2026-07-31 07:12:08 +0000, occam said:
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or
without a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually
translates word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it?ÿ No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ('Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then,
it is French.)
An apple and a potato are similarish in appearance (a thin skin
surrounding a white-ish inside) and texture, and both go very mushy if
over cooked.ÿÿ :-)
Much more odd is the Italian word "pomodoro" (tomato), which translates
as "apple of gold".
On 01/08/26 01:55, s|b wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:55:15 +0200, occam wrote:
I note that you have called Bertel a 'spud'
'spud'... I don't hear that often enough, but when I do I think
of...
<https://trainspotting-film.fandom.com/wiki/Spud>
Spuds, in the potato sense, are still normal AusE.
At school we used to use "spud" for a hole in a sock. Seen through the
hole, you had the impression of seeing a potato.
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad£ l de m¡ I£il, scr¡obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call ?crisps??
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
And then there are ?silicon chips?, essential to all digital
electronic technology.
(Which a lot of people abbreviate to just ?technology?, as though
there is no other kind.)
(And not to be confused with ?silicone chips?, which as far as I know
don?t exist: silicone is not a substance that can be formed into
?chips?.)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 09:57:58 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
Yeah, but keeping all that straight sounds too much like aard vark ...
On 31/07/2026 09:57, J. J. Lodder wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it? No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it >> is French.)
You should redirect your odd feelings.
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
So, the Dutch are odder than the French when it comes to their
expressions? Good to know.
On 31/07/2026 09:57, J. J. Lodder wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it? No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it >> is French.)
You should redirect your odd feelings.
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
So, the Dutch are odder than the French when it comes to their
expressions? Good to know.
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 14:45:57 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2026-07-30 06:52:41 +0000, occam said:
On 29/07/2026 17:56, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:I agree. The sentence as it stands is awkwardly constructed. To clarify: >> >
<snippo "French fries" as something the French would not use>
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost
bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
Now /that/ is obscure.
Are you saying "yes, the French do not call them 'French fries'" or are >> >> you saying "the sons-of-Trump are Belgian" or something else entirely? >> >
- The French do not call fries 'French fries'
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without
a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates
word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
- The original fries are Belgian (not French).
In Belgium they are called "frites" by French speakers, "frieten" by
Dutch speaker, and "friture" by German speakers.
It is more complicated than that, ><https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patat-frietgrens>
Ah ... the endless depths of popular culture.
On 01/08/26 01:55, s|b wrote:
'spud'... I don't hear that often enough, but when I do I think
of...
<https://trainspotting-film.fandom.com/wiki/Spud>
Spuds, in the potato sense, are still normal AusE.
At school we used to use "spud" for a hole in a sock. Seen through the
hole, you had the impression of seeing a potato.
On 2026-08-01 01:49:56 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
Cow chips.
Maybe Australians eat those, but we don't. :-p
My memory of Belgian menus only had ?fritten?. I don?t remember ever seeing ?friture? or ?frieten.? I do not assert that my memory on this front is particularly reliable, but at that point I was nineteen or twenty, and my memory then was better than it is now. I can assert that ?Pommes? /?p?mes/ is a
normal German (of Germany) word for what I call ?chips? and what the estadounidenses usually call ?French fries.?
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 05:29:17 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D?Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
And then there are ?silicon chips?, essential to all digital
electronic technology.
(Which a lot of people abbreviate to just ?technology?, as though
there is no other kind.)
Ah yes, I've heard people saying that they "don't use technology", and
look at me strangely when I say "not even the wheel?"
(And not to be confused with ?silicone chips?, which as far as I know
don?t exist: silicone is not a substance that can be formed into
?chips?.)
I thought silicone chips were used as breast implants, and have heard
people speculating on what future archaeologists would say when they
found them on skeletons.
Ar an triochad? l? de m? I?il, scr?obh s|b:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 19:14:11 +1200, Your Name wrote:
8< selective snip >8
In Belgium they are called "frites" by French speakers, "frieten" by Dutch speaker, and "friture" by German speakers.
I thought the German speakers called them "fritten". It's what we say in Limburg.
My memory of Belgian menus only had "fritten". I don't remember ever seeing "friture" or "frieten." I do not assert that my memory on this front is particularly reliable, but at that point I was nineteen or twenty, and my memory then was better than it is now.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 09:57:58 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
Yeah, but keeping all that straight sounds too much like aard vark ...
That's not Dutch, that is Afrikaans.
BTW, it is Aardvark, one word, even in English,
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 23:08:22 +0100, Aidan Kehoe wrote:ever seeing
My memory of Belgian menus only had ?fritten?. I don?t remember
front is?friture? or ?frieten.? I do not assert that my memory on this
myparticularly reliable, but at that point I was nineteen or twenty, and
/?p?mes/ is amemory then was better than it is now. I can assert that ?Pommes?
thenormal German (of Germany) word for what I call ?chips? and what
estadounidenses usually call ?French fries.?
'frituur' is what we call the place where we buy 'm. This one is very >typical:
<https://tinyurl.com/4v22y2w7>
Original: ><https://www.google.com/maps/place/''t+Stationneke'/@51.0249377,5.351108 1,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sCIHM0ogKEICAgIC3_IKJRQ!2e10!3e12!6shtt ps:%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2Fgps-cs-s%2FAHRPTWnST58GlcgyA3LfX_brN Qm7KEByQiCbF-5tho18PkkTAN1CZBcrNr3I799FLM8dkM3JoWA4_8RPImEW2Vx3NdQactLCqw Yul5nL-UaPWGc0fHaT4LfRyzEdWQnXhqrPw0M52rGF%3Dw203-h152-k-no!7i4000!8i3008 !4m27!1m17!4m16!1m6!1m2!1s0x47c1245451c9a35f:0x4da1979a72cf6b40!2sBoekter heide,+3550+Heusden-Zolder!2m2!1d5.3018565!2d51.0143668!1m6!1m2!1s0x47c12 66b9504fa73:0x8648c49ab5de60fc!2sVredelaan,+3530+Houthalen-Helchteren!2m2 !1d5.3725274!2d51.0312512!3e0!5i1!3m8!1s0x47c125d7efff5439:0x33e9623c1e6d 6073!8m2!3d51.0251089!4d5.3509655!10e5!14m1!1BCgIgAQ!16s%2Fg%2F11c44pngnc ?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDcyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D>
Although these are becoming rare since they some places refuse giving
them permits.
The menu usually says 'frieten' or 'friet', but spoken language (in my >provence) is 'fritten' or 'frit' (when ordering a baby/small/large/extra >large).
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 09:57:58 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
Yeah, but keeping all that straight sounds too much like aard vark ...
That's not Dutch, that is Afrikaans.
BTW, it is Aardvark, one word, even in English,
Jan
BTW, it is Aardvark, one word, even in English,
What is it in Dutch, then?
Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> wrote:
My memory of Belgian menus only had "fritten". I don't remember ever seeing "friture" or "frieten." I do not assert that my memory on this front is particularly reliable, but at that point I was nineteen or twenty, and my memory then was better than it is now.
So it wasn't that great then.
'Frit', 'fritten' does exist as a Dutch term.
It translates to E. 'frit' 'frits'. (finely ground glass) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frit>
It may exist in Flemish for 'frieten' but I have never seen it.
Alternatively, in some Flemish dialects 'fritten' (verb)
exists as a variant on 'vreten', like German 'fressen' (vulgar).
The map appears to call the store a "Friterie". Which, I suppose,
would be "store that sells frits".
Ar an ch‚ad l de m¡ L£nasa, scr¡obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
Den 01.08.2026 kl. 00.09 skrev Aidan Kehoe:
> In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are >>> > called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips". >>>
What do you call what we (and Britain) call ?crisps??
The description in Oxford Learner's sounds like those I described as "the
thin ones", so it's "chips" - which by the way covers many kinds of snacks.
OK.
On first reading I thought that you meant the thin linear chips that McDonald?s serve by ?the thin ones? = ?franske kartofler? = ?chips? but from the above you mean the non-linear ones that are usually served cold.
instead, and see how that works out.-- Katy Jennison
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 09:57:58 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
Yeah, but keeping all that straight sounds too much like aard vark ...
That's not Dutch, that is Afrikaans.
BTW, it is Aardvark, one word, even in English,
Jan
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 17:54:00 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
BTW, it is Aardvark, one word, even in English,
What is it in Dutch, then?
Aardvarken.
Just curious, what's 'pig' in South African? (varken = pig in Dutch)
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