• A waste of money

    From Gordon@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, May 06, 2026 23:07:09
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/594503/what-is-the-english-language-bill-and-what-would-it-actually-do-in-new-zealand

    So he we have a Bill which changes nothing in a practical sense, although Winston Peters probably agress to differ. Then the opposition instead of
    just letting the process pass though the motions without fuss they all
    create a hurricane in a tea cup.

    A fine example of human nature in action.

    Let us all hope that it passes and we can go back to debating some of the
    more important issues of the day.

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  • From Tony@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 07, 2026 02:48:29
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/594503/what-is-the-english-language-bill-and-what-would-it-actually-do-in-new-zealand

    So he we have a Bill which changes nothing in a practical sense, although >Winston Peters probably agress to differ. Then the opposition instead of
    just letting the process pass though the motions without fuss they all
    create a hurricane in a tea cup.

    A fine example of human nature in action.

    Let us all hope that it passes and we can go back to debating some of the >more important issues of the day.
    I agree that there are some other very important matters but this is not a trivial thing at all.
    Ensuring that English is an official language is a hugely important protection of our democracy. It should have happened many decades ago.
    There are plenty of malcontents and greedies who want to diminish the importance of our most spoken and important language.

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  • From Crash@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 07, 2026 15:17:28
    On Thu, 7 May 2026 02:48:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/594503/what-is-the-english-language-bill-and-what-would-it-actually-do-in-new-zealand

    So he we have a Bill which changes nothing in a practical sense, although >>Winston Peters probably agress to differ. Then the opposition instead of >>just letting the process pass though the motions without fuss they all >>create a hurricane in a tea cup.

    A fine example of human nature in action.

    Let us all hope that it passes and we can go back to debating some of the >>more important issues of the day.
    I agree that there are some other very important matters but this is not a >trivial thing at all.
    Ensuring that English is an official language is a hugely important protection
    of our democracy. It should have happened many decades ago.
    There are plenty of malcontents and greedies who want to diminish the >importance of our most spoken and important language.

    They already have. I have seen various references over the years to
    belittle English because it is not an official language, whereas Maori
    and Sign language are. Consider those who wish to ban requirements
    for English translation of Maori language on this basis. Consider
    those that wish all Government department names to be exclusively
    Maori.

    This legislation places English on the same official level as Maori
    and Sign languages.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, May 07, 2026 20:30:28
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 7 May 2026 02:48:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/594503/what-is-the-english-language-bill-and-what-would-it-actually-do-in-new-zealand

    So he we have a Bill which changes nothing in a practical sense, although >>>Winston Peters probably agress to differ. Then the opposition instead of >>>just letting the process pass though the motions without fuss they all >>>create a hurricane in a tea cup.

    A fine example of human nature in action.

    Let us all hope that it passes and we can go back to debating some of the >>>more important issues of the day.
    I agree that there are some other very important matters but this is not a >>trivial thing at all.
    Ensuring that English is an official language is a hugely important >>protection
    of our democracy. It should have happened many decades ago.
    There are plenty of malcontents and greedies who want to diminish the >>importance of our most spoken and important language.

    They already have. I have seen various references over the years to
    belittle English because it is not an official language, whereas Maori
    and Sign language are. Consider those who wish to ban requirements
    for English translation of Maori language on this basis. Consider
    those that wish all Government department names to be exclusively
    Maori.

    This legislation places English on the same official level as Maori
    and Sign languages.

    Yes indeed, this is a vital piece of legislation.
    --
    Crash McBash


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
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  • From Mutley@3:633/10 to All on Friday, May 08, 2026 08:40:43
    Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/594503/what-is-the-english-language-bill-and-what-would-it-actually-do-in-new-zealand

    So he we have a Bill which changes nothing in a practical sense, although >>Winston Peters probably agress to differ. Then the opposition instead of >>just letting the process pass though the motions without fuss they all >>create a hurricane in a tea cup.

    A fine example of human nature in action.

    Let us all hope that it passes and we can go back to debating some of the >>more important issues of the day.
    I agree that there are some other very important matters but this is not a >trivial thing at all.
    Ensuring that English is an official language is a hugely important protection
    of our democracy. It should have happened many decades ago.
    There are plenty of malcontents and greedies who want to diminish the >importance of our most spoken and important language.

    Hipkins " If Leibour is elected we'll reverse this "

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Crash@3:633/10 to All on Friday, May 08, 2026 13:02:20
    On Fri, 08 May 2026 08:40:43 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/594503/what-is-the-english-language-bill-and-what-would-it-actually-do-in-new-zealand

    So he we have a Bill which changes nothing in a practical sense, although >>>Winston Peters probably agress to differ. Then the opposition instead of >>>just letting the process pass though the motions without fuss they all >>>create a hurricane in a tea cup.

    A fine example of human nature in action.

    Let us all hope that it passes and we can go back to debating some of the >>>more important issues of the day.
    I agree that there are some other very important matters but this is not a >>trivial thing at all.
    Ensuring that English is an official language is a hugely important protection
    of our democracy. It should have happened many decades ago.
    There are plenty of malcontents and greedies who want to diminish the >>importance of our most spoken and important language.

    Hipkins " If Leibour is elected we'll reverse this "

    Labour needs the Maori vote desperately to reduce dependency on the
    Maori Party.


    --
    Crash McBash

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