Hi all,
On a couple of machines I set up for someone else, the ordinary user can
no long shut down or reboot the machine - eg from the xfce4 Action Buttons.
These are running (and were installed with) Debian 12 bookworm. I'm sure shutting them down used to be possible, so I assume some package upgrade
has changed this?
Oh - I can't shut down from the lightdm login screen either.
On 2026-04-01 08:01, Richard Hector wrote:
Oh - I can't shut down from the lightdm login screen either.
Not sure, but you could jump to a virtual terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F2) and
reboot on the command-line.
Mike
Hi all,
On a couple of machines I set up for someone else, the ordinary user can
no long shut down or reboot the machine - eg from the xfce4 Action Buttons.
These are running (and were installed with) Debian 12 bookworm. I'm sure shutting them down used to be possible, so I assume some package upgrade
has changed this?
Any hints?
Thanks,
Richard
Hi all,
On a couple of machines I set up for someone else, the ordinary user can
no long shut down or reboot the machine - eg from the xfce4 Action Buttons.
Have you check for a systemd issue/misconfiguration, is "upower" package installed?
On 02/04/2026 00:45, Richard Hector wrote:package
On a couple of machines I set up for someone else, the ordinary
user can no long shut down or reboot the machine - eg from the
xfce4 Action Buttons.
On 02/04/2026 07:37, Franco Martelli wrote:
Have you check for a systemd issue/misconfiguration, is "upower"
installed?
Thanks, will have a look next time I'm there.
On 02/04/2026 00:45, Richard Hector wrote:
Hi all,
On a couple of machines I set up for someone else, the ordinary user
can no long shut down or reboot the machine - eg from the xfce4 Action
Buttons.
Thanks all for the tips. I should note that I can figure out how to shut them down, but
- This should just work and I want to fix it
- The intended user should be able to do this the easy way.
On 02/04/2026 07:37, Franco Martelli wrote:
Have you check for a systemd issue/misconfiguration, is "upower" package installed?
Thanks, will have a look next time I'm there.
On 02/04/2026 00:45, Richard Hector wrote:
Hi all,
On a couple of machines I set up for someone else, the ordinary user canButtons.
no long shut down or reboot the machine - eg from the xfce4 Action
These are running (and were installed with) Debian 12 bookworm. I'm sure shutting them down used to be possible, so I assume some package upgrade has changed this?
Oh - I can't shut down from the lightdm login screen either.
My own machines are also bookworm and xfce4, and haven't shown this
problem.
Richard
why not install codex or similar ai cli agent on the system and get it
to fix the problem?
why not install codex or similar ai cli agent on the system and get it to
fix the problem?
On Wed, Apr 1, 2026 at 5:03?AM Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> wrote:
On 02/04/2026 00:45, Richard Hector wrote:
Hi all,
On a couple of machines I set up for someone else, the ordinary user can no long shut down or reboot the machine - eg from the xfce4 ActionButtons.
These are running (and were installed with) Debian 12 bookworm. I'm sure shutting them down used to be possible, so I assume some package upgrade has changed this?
Oh - I can't shut down from the lightdm login screen either.
My own machines are also bookworm and xfce4, and haven't shown this problem.
Richard
On 22/04/2026 08:53, tom arnall wrote:
why not install codex or similar ai cli agent on the system and get it
to fix the problem?
Partly because the problem is already fixed, and partly because I don't
want AI (that sort of AI, anyway) anywhere near systems I run, or
anywhere in my life, really.
Richard
assuming you do systems for a living, i'm wondering how you expect to keep doing it without using ai tools.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 1:56?PM Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz>
wrote:
On 22/04/2026 08:53, tom arnall wrote:
why not install codex or similar ai cli agent on the system and get it
to fix the problem?
Partly because the problem is already fixed, and partly because I don't
want AI (that sort of AI, anyway) anywhere near systems I run, or
anywhere in my life, really.
Richard
tom arnall wrote:
assuming you do systems for a living, i'm wondering how you expect tokeep
doing it without using ai tools.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 1:56?PM Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> wrote:
On 22/04/2026 08:53, tom arnall wrote:
why not install codex or similar ai cli agent on the system and get it >> > to fix the problem?
Partly because the problem is already fixed, and partly because I don't
want AI (that sort of AI, anyway) anywhere near systems I run, or
anywhere in my life, really.
Richard
probably because some of us have been doing this for long
enough that we have no problem continuing doing it how we
have already...
adding complexity and more exploitation routes and also
yet more sources for others to be parasitic and abusive is
something i consider worth avoiding if possible.
that so many projects now want to lock you into their
type of build and deploy environments is really sucky -
especially when it often ends up at some kind of
registration or forum type of arrangement.
as i see it, this is the creeping sewer of social media
which sucks even more time from me doing other things that
i'd rather be up to. one example is an old project going
off to roll around in the mud of discord - been there, yuck,
not going back.
songbird
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