On 3/28/26 3:23 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Switch to a paid provider. I recommend Fastmail (fastmail.com).
They provide good service and they will, if you so choose, help you register your own domain which will make your email adress
portable.
My mail.com's e-mail address is only used for things that are public,
so I was hoping not to have to pay for something that I only use on
mailing list.
Thank you.
On 3/28/26 4:30 PM, debian-user@howorth.org.uk wrote:
john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> wrote:
On 3/28/26 3:23 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Switch to a paid provider. I recommend Fastmail (fastmail.com).
They provide good service and they will, if you so choose, help
you register your own domain which will make your email adress
portable.
My mail.com's e-mail address is only used for things that are
public, so I was hoping not to have to pay for something that I
only use on mailing list.
Thank you.
Sorry, I don't understand. What domain are spamhaus blocking? For
mail.com they say "mail.com has no issues".
https://postmaster.mail.com/en/email-server
The free accounts are graced with the poor reputation IPv4 addresses.
john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> wrote:
On 3/28/26 3:23 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Switch to a paid provider. I recommend Fastmail (fastmail.com).
They provide good service and they will, if you so choose, help you
register your own domain which will make your email adress
portable.
My mail.com's e-mail address is only used for things that are public,
so I was hoping not to have to pay for something that I only use on
mailing list.
Thank you.
Sorry, I don't understand. What domain are spamhaus blocking? For
mail.com they say "mail.com has no issues".
Again spamhaus says they have no issues? https://check.spamhaus.org/results?query=mout-xforward.mail.comDomains and ip addresses can be separately blacklisted. I like to check
The lovely PPLs at [1] are blocking the IPs from my e-mail provider.
Is there anything that I can do other than changing e-mail provider?
Is there anything that I can do other than changing e-mail provider?Hellow John. Gmail is the most suitable. It is the best free email
On 3/28/26 11:17 AM, debian-user@howorth.org.uk wrote:
Again spamhaus says they have no issues? https://check.spamhaus.org/results?query=mout-xforward.mail.com
Domains and ip addresses can be separately blacklisted. I like to
check each on https://multirbl.valli.org/lookup
There it is showing one blacklist on the domain and multiple
blacklists on both their 'good' and 'bad' ip addresses, only their
'bad' ip addresses are a lot worse.
Is there anything that I can do other than changing e-mail
provider?
Hellow John. Gmail is the most suitable. It is the best free email
service. Some Korean open source developers i know are also using
Gmail. All roads lead to Rome(Gmail).
Gmail is the most suitable. It is the best free email service
Is there anything that I can do other than changing e-mail provider?
Hellow John. Gmail is the most suitable.
It is the best free email service.
All roads lead to Rome(Gmail).
Byunghee HWANG (???) <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> wrote:I believe 2006, when abnormal drafts like SPF/SenderID were created, was
Is there anything that I can do other than changing e-mail
provider?
Hellow John. Gmail is the most suitable. It is the best free email
service. Some Korean open source developers i know are also using
Gmail. All roads lead to Rome(Gmail).
I disagree because of gmail's insistence on DKIM. They don't deliver
without it.
Byunghee HWANG writes:If i were considering a "paid service," i would choose Fastmail.
Gmail is the most suitable. It is the best free email service
That's damning with faint praise.
Hi,Andy, i deeply empathize with your story. Even so, i am also in a
On Sun, Mar 29, 2026 at 09:42:13PM +0900, Byunghee HWANG (???) wrote:
Is there anything that I can do other than changing e-mail provider?
Hellow John. Gmail is the most suitable.
I would disagree and I think quite a few other people would as well.
It is the best free email service.
However, I also think if someone isn't willing to pay for it then they
don't take it very seriously and so it doesn't really matter. I'm not
even sure if gmail could be said to be the best of the free ones though.
All roads lead to Rome(Gmail).
This kind of thing is why no matter how bad gmail is, or how
self-centred their decisions are, we all have to go along with it.
Because if one of my users can't email someone at gmail it must be my
fault, right? It's the best free email service in the world and all
roads lead to gmail, after all.
All roads lead to Rome(Gmail).That is google's dream. But one road didn't connect.
Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> writes:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2026 at 09:42:13PM +0900, Byunghee HWANG (???) wrote:
All roads lead to Rome(Gmail).
This kind of thing is why no matter how bad gmail is, or how
self-centred their decisions are, we all have to go along with it.
Because if one of my users can't email someone at gmail it must be my fault, right? It's the best free email service in the world and all
roads lead to gmail, after all.
Andy, i deeply empathize with your story. Even so, i am also in a
situation where i cannot escape Gmail in real life.
After hours of frustration I finally made contact with a real person
at google who bluntly told me there is just nothing they can do until
the account lockout period expires.
Hi,I don't want to sound like I'm defending Google, but there must be
On Tue, Mar 31, 2026 at 04:53:27PM +0900, Byunghee HWANG (\ud669\ubcd1\ud76c) wrote:
Andy Smith<andy@strugglers.net> writes:I don't want to harp on this but the sort of thing I'm trying to point
On Sun, Mar 29, 2026 at 09:42:13PM +0900, Byunghee HWANG (\ud669\ubcd1\ud76c) wrote:Andy, i deeply empathize with your story. Even so, i am also in a
All roads lead to Rome(Gmail).This kind of thing is why no matter how bad gmail is, or how
self-centred their decisions are, we all have to go along with it.
Because if one of my users can't email someone at gmail it must be my
fault, right? It's the best free email service in the world and all
roads lead to gmail, after all.
situation where i cannot escape Gmail in real life.
out is that for example over on the mailop mailing list you are
participating in this thread even today:
https://www.mail-archive.com/mailop@mailop.org/msg26412.html
(I'm not stalking you; we're both subscribers! \U0001f600)
where an admin with a 1,400 subscriber Mailman mailing list that they
have been operating for years is at their wits' end trying to get mail
to their gmail.com subscribers.
Meanwhile you are also on *this* mailing list telling everyone that
gmail is the best email service provider.
All participants in mailop should be aware by now that gmail
consistently provides the most difficulty, the most aggravation, and the least assistance to small senders, where "small" is something like "less
than 5k emails per day". It is a black box for them/us. If we've
followed all their (arbitrary) rules and still our users lose mails,
there is no way forward for us.
I know it's not the best because other ESPs do not give me and others anywhere near as much of a problem, and I am surprised to see anyone
with actual knowledge of the sender side claim otherwise.
Thanks,
Andy
Gmail doesn't give me trouble at all and I run a small scale (less
than 3k emails per week) mail server for my employer.
Alexander writes:No.
Gmail doesn't give me trouble at all and I run a small scale (lessDo you operate a mailing list?
than 3k emails per week) mail server for my employer.
Alexander writes:
Gmail doesn't give me trouble at all and I run a small scale (less
than 3k emails per week) mail server for my employer.
Do you operate a mailing list?
nwe writes:
After hours of frustration I finally made contact with a real person
at google who bluntly told me there is just nothing they can do
until the account lockout period expires.
An actual person at Google? Amazing.
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 13:27:03 -0500
John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> wrote:
nwe writes:
After hours of frustration I finally made contact with a real person
at google who bluntly told me there is just nothing they can do
until the account lockout period expires.
An actual person at Google? Amazing.
Indeed. How?
I had thought of snail mailing such companies' address for legal
service but I have not yet been desperate to filter my problem through
a legal department.
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 13:27:03 -0500It was close to a year ago, unfortunately I don't remember all the
John Hasler<john@sugarbit.com> wrote:
nwe writes:Indeed. How?
After hours of frustration I finally made contact with a real personAn actual person at Google? Amazing.
at google who bluntly told me there is just nothing they can do
until the account lockout period expires.
Off-topic, but we had to send a letter to Google's Legal to get
something done.
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 31, 2026 at 04:53:27PM +0900, Byunghee HWANG (???) wrote:
Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> writes:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2026 at 09:42:13PM +0900, Byunghee HWANG (???) wrote:
All roads lead to Rome(Gmail).
This kind of thing is why no matter how bad gmail is, or how
self-centred their decisions are, we all have to go along with it.
Because if one of my users can't email someone at gmail it must be my
fault, right? It's the best free email service in the world and all
roads lead to gmail, after all.
Andy, i deeply empathize with your story. Even so, i am also in a
situation where i cannot escape Gmail in real life.
I don't want to harp on this but the sort of thing I'm trying to point
out is that for example over on the mailop mailing list you are
participating in this thread even today:
https://www.mail-archive.com/mailop@mailop.org/msg26412.html
(I'm not stalking you; we're both subscribers! ?)
where an admin with a 1,400 subscriber Mailman mailing list that they
have been operating for years is at their wits' end trying to get mail
to their gmail.com subscribers.
Meanwhile you are also on *this* mailing list telling everyone that
gmail is the best email service provider.
All participants in mailop should be aware by now that gmail
consistently provides the most difficulty, the most aggravation, and the least assistance to small senders, where "small" is something like "less
than 5k emails per day". It is a black box for them/us. If we've
followed all their (arbitrary) rules and still our users lose mails,
there is no way forward for us.
I know it's not the best because other ESPs do not give me and others anywhere near as much of a problem, and I am surprised to see anyone
with actual knowledge of the sender side claim otherwise.
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