• Hardware Follies: The disk wins again

    From Spalls Hurgenson@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, July 09, 2026 17:28:04
    (a.k.a., another attempt to upgrade my old computer fizzles out)

    Every now and then, I fiddle about with my old Windows98 computer.
    Sometimes I swap video-cards, or change the fans; I've added and
    removed RAM. Sometimes I just tinker with settings. It's fun, if
    that's the sort of thing you find fun...and I do!. But the thing I
    really want to do is add more disk space.

    Having attempted this before and being defeated by BIOS disk-size
    limitations, this time I decided that if I can't get a /bigger/ drive,
    I'll just add a /second/ drive. This wasn't as easy as it should have
    been; incorrect jumper settings (not helped by the sticker on the
    drive describing the jumper setting being /backwards/) were a major
    speed bump. So too was the fact that my IDE cable turned out to be
    damaged. It accessed the master drive fine, but anything hooked up to
    the second connector was invisible to the machine. A cable swap solved
    that problem, but it took longer for me to trouble shoot that than I'd
    like to admit. Who suspects an IDE cable of being bad?.

    But eventually, the BIOS happily reported two drives installed, with
    proper capacities recorded. It even formatted correctly! Except...
    Why was Windows crashing suddenly? And what's this? The BIOS reports
    only 260MB when it should be 384MB? What's with all this freaky
    flakiness on what used to be a stable machine?

    Yeah... it turns out that my power-supply --already on the edge-- just
    wasn't up to taking on the added load of spinning up a second
    hard-drive. A quick poke with the multimeter confirmed it; I'd maxed
    out the PSU. And whaddaya know, the only spare ATX power-supplies I
    have are either physically too large for the chassis, or don't have
    enough connectors, or are even more underpowered than the block
    already in the machine.

    Reverting all my changes (minus the IDE cable swap, of course) got me
    a working machine again... except without that added storage space.
    I'd replace the PSU, but... man, have you seen the prices of these
    things? Especially if you want an older design with lots of MOLEX
    connectors. Even the refurbished models are expensive! More than I
    want to pay for a hobby machine that gets turned on only five or ten
    times a year.

    So instead, I am -again- sticking with what I have. I may not have the
    extra disk space, but at least the machine is running. The disks may
    have defeated me once again, but the battle isn't over yet. You just
    wait; one day I'm going to have a Windows98 PC with more than 120GB of disk-space!!!!

    #

    You know, if there's one thing this little expedition back into 1990s
    hardware /really/ reminded me of, it is how LUCKY we are with modern
    computers. These days, you plug something in and it'll probably Just
    Work (tm). All the cables are keyed nowadays, so no worries about
    plugging in anything wrong. Our firmwares are updated automatically so
    they know about new hardware settings even before their owners do. And
    forget about jumpers and IRQs and DMA settings. The hardest part when
    upgrading new computers is the cable management.

    [Well, that and just affording the new hardware. And
    maybe some of it catching on fire. But other than
    that, no worries.]

    But 90s hardware was a beast, and often everything that could go
    wrong, would. It's a wonder any of us in the 90s managed to get our
    computers working at all, much less play games on them. I like
    tinkering with the old stuff, but man-oh-man, am I glad that's not the
    norm these days! ;-)




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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 01:00:13
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    But 90s hardware was a beast, and often everything that could go
    wrong, would. It's a wonder any of us in the 90s managed to get our
    computers working at all, much less play games on them. I like
    tinkering with the old stuff, but man-oh-man, am I glad that's not the
    norm these days! ;-)

    I don't know about that. Even modern tech can go wrong too easily. I
    used to do SQA testings. It's a lot worse to me in everything even
    non-tech. :(

    Right now, I'm struggling with my damn PS/2+USB adapters since my >25.5
    years old Belkin OmniCube 2-port KVM broke on USA's 250th birthday. I
    got a new IOGEAR's KVM (HDMI+USB), but having problems with its PS/2
    mouse and keyboard even with three different brands and adapters. Argh.
    I think I need to give up and just buy USB keyboard, but which one? You
    can read more about it in my thread in alt.comp.periphs.keyboard, alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt, and alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
    newsgroups.

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  • From Mike S.@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 09:03:34
    On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 17:28:04 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    But 90s hardware was a beast, and often everything that could go
    wrong, would. It's a wonder any of us in the 90s managed to get our
    computers working at all, much less play games on them. I like
    tinkering with the old stuff, but man-oh-man, am I glad that's not the
    norm these days! ;-)

    Yeah, your story reminded me of all the times I had to fiddle with my
    secondary machine just so I could play old DOS games. I had sound
    cards, video cards, power supplies, hard drives, CD\DVD burners,
    various cables, etc.. ready to go if something in my DOS machine
    failed. I collected all this crap from years of gaming.

    I just do not have the patience for it anymore. DosBox is the best
    thing that has ever happened to DOS gaming. I can play everything from
    the original Wizardry all the way through to today's games on ONE
    modern computer. Amen to that.

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  • From Mike S.@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 09:17:24
    On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 01:00:13 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Right now, I'm struggling with my damn PS/2+USB adapters since my >25.5 >years old Belkin OmniCube 2-port KVM broke on USA's 250th birthday. I
    got a new IOGEAR's KVM (HDMI+USB), but having problems with its PS/2
    mouse and keyboard even with three different brands and adapters. Argh.
    I think I need to give up and just buy USB keyboard, but which one? You
    can read more about it in my thread in alt.comp.periphs.keyboard, >alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt, and alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
    newsgroups.

    I've had a few KVM switchers over the years. I don't use them anymore
    but I remember that I had a black one that was called a OmniView or
    something like that. It was big, black and heavy and required power I
    think. Probably similar to your OmniCube.

    I also had a four port one that did not require power. I don't
    remember much about it other then the color scheme which was gray and
    blue. I think it was from Linksys.

    The last keyboard I purchased was this one, though it is not currently available on Amazon -->

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DK6R6HXP?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title


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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 10:26:00
    On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 09:17:24 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> said
    this thing:


    I've had a few KVM switchers over the years. I don't use them anymore
    but I remember that I had a black one that was called a OmniView or
    something like that. It was big, black and heavy and required power I
    think. Probably similar to your OmniCube.


    I think I had that one. It had a hulking bit of metal with a big knob
    to switch between the different PCs. It was so satisfying to switch
    between computers.

    The only KVM I still own at home is a POC dual-head from Belkin. It's
    so old that it still uses PS2 ports. It doesn't even have a proper
    toggle; you have to use a magic key-combo to switch inputs. But these
    days I just find it easier to use some sort of remote access and
    connect over the network than to string cables between the PCs. It is, obviously, not a perfect solution for all situations (what if no
    network? What if there is hardware fault before network loads? etc.)
    but my current usage doesn't really need anything else.

    But I do miss that satisfying CLUNK as you switched between inputs. It
    felt like magic to turn the knob and suddenly you were looking at an
    entirely different computer screen. ;-)




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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 10:46:48
    On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 09:03:34 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> said
    this thing:

    On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 17:28:04 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    But 90s hardware was a beast, and often everything that could go
    wrong, would. It's a wonder any of us in the 90s managed to get our >>computers working at all, much less play games on them. I like
    tinkering with the old stuff, but man-oh-man, am I glad that's not the
    norm these days! ;-)

    Yeah, your story reminded me of all the times I had to fiddle with my >secondary machine just so I could play old DOS games. I had sound
    cards, video cards, power supplies, hard drives, CD\DVD burners,
    various cables, etc.. ready to go if something in my DOS machine
    failed. I collected all this crap from years of gaming.

    I just do not have the patience for it anymore. DosBox is the best
    thing that has ever happened to DOS gaming. I can play everything from
    the original Wizardry all the way through to today's games on ONE
    modern computer. Amen to that.


    I'm a huge fan of DOSBox (and DOSBox-X), but for the early Win9x era,
    there really isn't quite the same option. Between the hackery used by
    many games of that era to eke out every bit of CPU performance and the
    rapidly changing hardware standards, it can be hard to get games of
    that era to run smoothly (or, in some cases, at all!), and even
    emulation isn't always a solution. Nor did the flakiness of the Win9x
    operating system help either; sometimes you'd install one game and it
    would make changes that would render the next game unplayable. Often
    the best option with emulation was to have a separate OS image for
    each game; messy and it uses a lot of extra space.

    That said, emulators can do a lot. 86Box is amazing with the range of
    hardware it supports, and eXoWin9x is an amazing project. But
    sometimes original hardware is still required... and besides, it's fun
    to play around with that old gear!

    Even if it doesn't always work out the way I want it to.




    (Also, if I want to use my old Sidewinder3D Pro joystick, plugging it
    into an old computer is the only way to do that).




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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, July 11, 2026 00:41:43
    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 01:00:13 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Right now, I'm struggling with my damn PS/2+USB adapters since my >25.5 >years old Belkin OmniCube 2-port KVM broke on USA's 250th birthday. I
    got a new IOGEAR's KVM (HDMI+USB), but having problems with its PS/2
    mouse and keyboard even with three different brands and adapters. Argh.
    I think I need to give up and just buy USB keyboard, but which one? You >can read more about it in my thread in alt.comp.periphs.keyboard, >alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt, and alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt >newsgroups.

    I've had a few KVM switchers over the years. I don't use them anymore
    but I remember that I had a black one that was called a OmniView or
    something like that. It was big, black and heavy and required power I
    think. Probably similar to your OmniCube.

    I also had a four port one that did not require power. I don't
    remember much about it other then the color scheme which was gray and
    blue. I think it was from Linksys.

    The last keyboard I purchased was this one, though it is not currently available on Amazon -->

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DK6R6HXP?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

    I use KVMs because I have more than one PCs. I don't have rooms for more monitors, keyboards, and mouses.
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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, July 11, 2026 00:46:30
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 09:17:24 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> said
    this thing:


    I've had a few KVM switchers over the years. I don't use them anymore
    but I remember that I had a black one that was called a OmniView or >something like that. It was big, black and heavy and required power I >think. Probably similar to your OmniCube.


    I think I had that one. It had a hulking bit of metal with a big knob
    to switch between the different PCs. It was so satisfying to switch
    between computers.

    Is that the switching left and right one? My OmniCube was the physical
    button and double scroll lock key presses (used 99% of my switches).
    Also, I used them at work too because of multiple PCs.


    The only KVM I still own at home is a POC dual-head from Belkin. It's
    so old that it still uses PS2 ports. It doesn't even have a proper
    toggle; you have to use a magic key-combo to switch inputs. But these
    days I just find it easier to use some sort of remote access and
    connect over the network than to string cables between the PCs. It is, obviously, not a perfect solution for all situations (what if no
    network? What if there is hardware fault before network loads? etc.)
    but my current usage doesn't really need anything else.

    Magic key-combo? Double scroll lock key presses? :P I miss it in my new
    KVM. I have a bad feeling this new KVM is not going to last long
    especially with its very thin cables and using the switch button too
    much. I can't even replace the cables that are glued into the switch
    box. I'd have to replace the whole unit if I need to. :(


    But I do miss that satisfying CLUNK as you switched between inputs. It
    felt like magic to turn the knob and suddenly you were looking at an
    entirely different computer screen. ;-)

    I prefer the double beep and key presses on my scroll lock key. :P
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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, July 11, 2026 00:49:57
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 09:03:34 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> said
    this thing:

    On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 17:28:04 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    But 90s hardware was a beast, and often everything that could go
    wrong, would. It's a wonder any of us in the 90s managed to get our >>computers working at all, much less play games on them. I like
    tinkering with the old stuff, but man-oh-man, am I glad that's not the >>norm these days! ;-)

    Yeah, your story reminded me of all the times I had to fiddle with my >secondary machine just so I could play old DOS games. I had sound
    cards, video cards, power supplies, hard drives, CD\DVD burners,
    various cables, etc.. ready to go if something in my DOS machine
    failed. I collected all this crap from years of gaming.

    I just do not have the patience for it anymore. DosBox is the best
    thing that has ever happened to DOS gaming. I can play everything from
    the original Wizardry all the way through to today's games on ONE
    modern computer. Amen to that.

    I'm a huge fan of DOSBox (and DOSBox-X), but for the early Win9x era,
    there really isn't quite the same option. Between the hackery used by
    many games of that era to eke out every bit of CPU performance and the rapidly changing hardware standards, it can be hard to get games of
    that era to run smoothly (or, in some cases, at all!), and even
    emulation isn't always a solution. Nor did the flakiness of the Win9x operating system help either; sometimes you'd install one game and it
    would make changes that would render the next game unplayable. Often
    the best option with emulation was to have a separate OS image for
    each game; messy and it uses a lot of extra space.

    That said, emulators can do a lot. 86Box is amazing with the range of hardware it supports, and eXoWin9x is an amazing project. But
    sometimes original hardware is still required... and besides, it's fun
    to play around with that old gear!

    Even if it doesn't always work out the way I want it to.

    Ditto. However, it doesn't feel right without the real hardware but pain
    in the arse to work on since stuff break.


    (Also, if I want to use my old Sidewinder3D Pro joystick, plugging it
    into an old computer is the only way to do that).

    Is that USB? No drivers in modern OSes? I still have my USB MS Sidewinder joystick that I barely used from CompUSA!
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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, July 11, 2026 11:39:14
    On Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:46:30 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) said
    this thing:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 09:17:24 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> said
    this thing:


    I've had a few KVM switchers over the years. I don't use them anymore
    but I remember that I had a black one that was called a OmniView or
    something like that. It was big, black and heavy and required power I
    think. Probably similar to your OmniCube.


    I think I had that one. It had a hulking bit of metal with a big knob
    to switch between the different PCs. It was so satisfying to switch
    between computers.

    Is that the switching left and right one? My OmniCube was the physical >button and double scroll lock key presses (used 99% of my switches).
    Also, I used them at work too because of multiple PCs.


    Honestly, I don't remember; it's been so long ago. My recollection is
    that it vaguely resembled a PSU; a big alumninium box with cables and
    a vent on the backside, and a 'channel selector' knob on the front. It
    was, as I recall, a four-head model (or maybe three?). More than two,
    anyway. And --as mentioned-- it had a satisfying feel when you
    switched inputs... helped all the more by the CRT it was connected to
    blanking out and then fizzing back to show the new screen.

    But this was a long time ago. Was it an Omniview? I don't know, but
    the name rings a bell. It really was quite a while ago. The device
    probably used an AT connector for the keyboard, it was so old. I don't
    really remember if it even had a mouse, actually (making it just a KV,
    I guess ;-). It was one of the first KVMs I encountered, so it
    seemed... well, not really like magic, since the principle was fairly
    obvious. But it seemed a really clever idea and I liked using it. I
    admit that I sometimes switched inputs for no reason other than the
    fact that I could. ;-)

    Later, I used more 'standard' models which used the SCRL-LCK key to
    transition between inputs (if I remember correctly SCRLLCK+S to slowly
    move between inputs, then SPACE to select, SCRLLCK+#key to pick a
    specific input). Certainly easier and more convenient than reaching
    over to twist a knob... but it lacked that tactile certainty. And that
    clunk. Loved the clunk.


    Magic key-combo? Double scroll lock key presses? :P I miss it in my new
    KVM. I have a bad feeling this new KVM is not going to last long
    especially with its very thin cables and using the switch button too
    much. I can't even replace the cables that are glued into the switch
    box. I'd have to replace the whole unit if I need to. :(

    Like I said, for a lot of my computers I just rely on remote-access to
    make changes... but that's because most of them run headlessly anyway.
    It's not a perfect solution since there's noticable lag but that's not
    really an issue with those PCs.

    #

    I realized after I posted my earlier reply I have another "KVM"
    alternative, of sorts. It's for two micro-PCs (actually, they are a
    couple of Intel-powered Mac Minis). They're plugged into the same
    tv/monitor (which has dual inputs) so to switch between their
    desktops, I just switch the input. For keyboard/mouse, I use a
    logitech keyboard/mouse combat that relies on a little USB dongle. I
    just yank it from the one computer and slide it into the other. Not
    QUITE the same but it works.


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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, July 11, 2026 11:46:16
    On Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:49:57 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) said
    this thing:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:




    (Also, if I want to use my old Sidewinder3D Pro joystick, plugging it
    into an old computer is the only way to do that).


    Is that USB? No drivers in modern OSes? I still have my USB MS Sidewinder joystick that I barely used from CompUSA!

    No, it's uses a gameport. More, to get full functionality it uses a
    digital communication method, which not only required special software
    support (which, AFAIK, Microsoft dropped after XP) but also needed a
    compatible gameport. Not all gameports worked (in fact, on my Win98
    box, I have TWO gameports --one built into the motherboard, one into
    the soundcard-- and only one of them works with the joystick). A lot
    of after-market gameport add-ins you can buy for modern PCs don't work
    with the joystick at all (or, at least, only see it as a 'regular'
    joystick, missing its throttle and rudder controls).

    But that sort of thing was typical for 90s-era hardware. Everything
    was so mix-n-match back then. USB really solved a lot of those sort of problems.





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  • From PW@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, July 11, 2026 21:12:22
    On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 17:28:04 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    (a.k.a., another attempt to upgrade my old computer fizzles out)

    Every now and then, I fiddle about with my old Windows98 computer.
    Sometimes I swap video-cards, or change the fans; I've added and
    removed RAM. Sometimes I just tinker with settings. It's fun, if
    that's the sort of thing you find fun...and I do!. But the thing I
    really want to do is add more disk space.

    Having attempted this before and being defeated by BIOS disk-size >limitations, this time I decided that if I can't get a /bigger/ drive,
    I'll just add a /second/ drive. This wasn't as easy as it should have
    been; incorrect jumper settings (not helped by the sticker on the
    drive describing the jumper setting being /backwards/) were a major
    speed bump. So too was the fact that my IDE cable turned out to be
    damaged. It accessed the master drive fine, but anything hooked up to
    the second connector was invisible to the machine. A cable swap solved
    that problem, but it took longer for me to trouble shoot that than I'd
    like to admit. Who suspects an IDE cable of being bad?.

    But eventually, the BIOS happily reported two drives installed, with
    proper capacities recorded. It even formatted correctly! Except...
    Why was Windows crashing suddenly? And what's this? The BIOS reports
    only 260MB when it should be 384MB? What's with all this freaky
    flakiness on what used to be a stable machine?

    Yeah... it turns out that my power-supply --already on the edge-- just
    wasn't up to taking on the added load of spinning up a second
    hard-drive. A quick poke with the multimeter confirmed it; I'd maxed
    out the PSU. And whaddaya know, the only spare ATX power-supplies I
    have are either physically too large for the chassis, or don't have
    enough connectors, or are even more underpowered than the block
    already in the machine.

    Reverting all my changes (minus the IDE cable swap, of course) got me
    a working machine again... except without that added storage space.
    I'd replace the PSU, but... man, have you seen the prices of these
    things? Especially if you want an older design with lots of MOLEX
    connectors. Even the refurbished models are expensive! More than I
    want to pay for a hobby machine that gets turned on only five or ten
    times a year.

    So instead, I am -again- sticking with what I have. I may not have the
    extra disk space, but at least the machine is running. The disks may
    have defeated me once again, but the battle isn't over yet. You just
    wait; one day I'm going to have a Windows98 PC with more than 120GB of >disk-space!!!!

    #

    You know, if there's one thing this little expedition back into 1990s >hardware /really/ reminded me of, it is how LUCKY we are with modern >computers. These days, you plug something in and it'll probably Just
    Work (tm). All the cables are keyed nowadays, so no worries about
    plugging in anything wrong. Our firmwares are updated automatically so
    they know about new hardware settings even before their owners do. And
    forget about jumpers and IRQs and DMA settings. The hardest part when >upgrading new computers is the cable management.

    [Well, that and just affording the new hardware. And
    maybe some of it catching on fire. But other than
    that, no worries.]

    But 90s hardware was a beast, and often everything that could go
    wrong, would. It's a wonder any of us in the 90s managed to get our
    computers working at all, much less play games on them. I like
    tinkering with the old stuff, but man-oh-man, am I glad that's not the
    norm these days! ;-)



    *--

    This is fun!!! :-)

    -pw

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  • From Xocyll@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 06:37:48
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    (a.k.a., another attempt to upgrade my old computer fizzles out)

    Every now and then, I fiddle about with my old Windows98 computer.
    Sometimes I swap video-cards, or change the fans; I've added and
    removed RAM. Sometimes I just tinker with settings. It's fun, if
    that's the sort of thing you find fun...and I do!. But the thing I
    really want to do is add more disk space.

    Having attempted this before and being defeated by BIOS disk-size >limitations, this time I decided that if I can't get a /bigger/ drive,
    I'll just add a /second/ drive. This wasn't as easy as it should have
    been; incorrect jumper settings (not helped by the sticker on the
    drive describing the jumper setting being /backwards/) were a major
    speed bump. So too was the fact that my IDE cable turned out to be
    damaged. It accessed the master drive fine, but anything hooked up to
    the second connector was invisible to the machine. A cable swap solved
    that problem, but it took longer for me to trouble shoot that than I'd
    like to admit. Who suspects an IDE cable of being bad?.

    But eventually, the BIOS happily reported two drives installed, with
    proper capacities recorded. It even formatted correctly! Except...
    Why was Windows crashing suddenly? And what's this? The BIOS reports
    only 260MB when it should be 384MB? What's with all this freaky
    flakiness on what used to be a stable machine?

    Yeah... it turns out that my power-supply --already on the edge-- just
    wasn't up to taking on the added load of spinning up a second
    hard-drive. A quick poke with the multimeter confirmed it; I'd maxed
    out the PSU. And whaddaya know, the only spare ATX power-supplies I
    have are either physically too large for the chassis, or don't have
    enough connectors, or are even more underpowered than the block
    already in the machine.

    You could do what I did back in the day when I ran into a similar
    situation - I just sat the second power supply on top of the full tower
    with cables running in to power said second (or was it third?) HD.
    Not the prettiest situation, but it worked.

    Duct taping the second PS to the top is optional, unless in a high
    traffic area where you might bang into it and knock it off.

    Since mine was on top of a desk I didn't bother.

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From Justisaur@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 11:29:16
    On 7/10/2026 6:17 AM, Mike S. wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 01:00:13 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    The last keyboard I purchased was this one, though it is not currently available on Amazon -->

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DK6R6HXP?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title


    That's almost he same one I have, except mine is wired, and has some
    keys on the top I've literally never used.

    https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-K580-Mechanical-Anti-ghosting-Dedicated/dp/B07G11G2X8

    --
    -Justisaur

    ?-?
    (\_/)\
    `-'\ `--.___,
    ?ª'\( ,_.-'
    \\
    ^'

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Justisaur@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 11:40:21
    On 7/9/2026 2:28 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    You know, if there's one thing this little expedition back into 1990s hardware /really/ reminded me of, it is how LUCKY we are with modern computers. These days, you plug something in and it'll probably Just
    Work (tm). All the cables are keyed nowadays, so no worries about
    plugging in anything wrong. Our firmwares are updated automatically so
    they know about new hardware settings even before their owners do. And
    forget about jumpers and IRQs and DMA settings. The hardest part when upgrading new computers is the cable management.

    Well, I did manage to get the power plugs in my son's video card wrong,
    it worked, but they kept coming loose and it kept losing the card. I eventually figured it out and put them in the right way, but not after a
    dozen times reseating the card and pulling the power and plugging it in
    the wrong way.

    Have I mentioned I hate the 'hot black' of new computers, all the power cables, and all the mb connectors wires are black. No yellow/red for
    power. Something to look for on my next build, is I must buy a case and
    power supply that has the appropriate yellow/red cables. And no glass.

    --
    -Justisaur

    ?-?
    (\_/)\
    `-'\ `--.___,
    ?ª'\( ,_.-'
    \\
    ^'

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Anssi Saari@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 21:47:36
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    I think I had that one. It had a hulking bit of metal with a big knob
    to switch between the different PCs. It was so satisfying to switch
    between computers.

    Sounds good. In the lockdown times I thought a KVM would be something I
    need but then I realized displays these days have multiple inputs and
    can be told to switch which input is active. So switching the inputs on
    two displays wasn't hard to do and it worked great.

    But that left mouse and keyboard. I dug around and found some kind of
    USB switch box which is also kind of remote controllable, in addition to
    having buttons on it. So that works too, even though the
    bass-ackwardness of the box is annoying. I have to connect to the other computer over the network to tell the box to switch inputs because for
    the other computer the switch is transparent and it sees only a USB hub
    and the mouse and keyboard connected to the hub.

    Since then that same setup has worked for four different computers,
    using variable combinations of HDMI, USB and Thuderbolt for dual display connections. And all I had to buy was a Thuderbolt to DP cable. I don't
    think I could have all this working with a KVM.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Spalls Hurgenson@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 19:20:50
    On Mon, 13 Jul 2026 11:29:16 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
    said this thing:

    On 7/10/2026 6:17 AM, Mike S. wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 01:00:13 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    The last keyboard I purchased was this one, though it is not currently
    available on Amazon -->

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DK6R6HXP?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title


    That's almost he same one I have, except mine is wired, and has some
    keys on the top I've literally never used.

    https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-K580-Mechanical-Anti-ghosting-Dedicated/dp/B07G11G2X8

    Mine's far, far cheaper: https://shopsalvationarmyblob.blob.core.windows.net/assets/media/5155af38-d984-4597-a102-edc33d99be80_largesize.jpg
    No mechanical keyswitches for me; I got premium-quality rubber-dome
    technology! ;-)

    But I really do like the scroll-wheel that controls the sound-volume
    (also, it has a numpad. I can't live without a numpad)

    Keyboard fetishists probably would quail at the idea of having to use
    such a terrible board, but it works well enough for me. I never really
    cared much for mechanical keyswitches myself anyway.





    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Spalls Hurgenson@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 19:38:01
    On Mon, 13 Jul 2026 06:37:48 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> said this
    thing:


    You could do what I did back in the day when I ran into a similar
    situation - I just sat the second power supply on top of the full tower
    with cables running in to power said second (or was it third?) HD.
    Not the prettiest situation, but it worked.

    Duct taping the second PS to the top is optional, unless in a high
    traffic area where you might bang into it and knock it off.


    I honestly considered using a second PSU, albeit not for very long.
    With some effort, I might have been able to squeeze one of my smaller
    PSUs into the chassis, then trail the powercable out through one of
    the expansion port slots, and jury-rig a powerbutton to trigger the
    second ATX PSU. But it all seemed just too messy.

    Alternately, I could also just install a second hard-drive into an
    external USB chassis. The onboard USB would make this really slow,
    though (it's only USB 1.1, so it maxes out at 12Mb/s). It isn't really
    a deal-killer, since I always could install a USB 2.0 PCI card if I
    really needed the speed (more USB ports would be welcome too). Even if
    I did just use it at 1.1 speeds, that wouldn't be too unthinkable;
    after all, it primarily would serve up CD-ROM ISO files, and since USB
    1.1 is about equivalent to about an 8x CD-ROM drive, it's doable.

    But the ideal solution would just be to find a more powerful ATX PSU
    with a suitable number of MOLEX connectors. I figure if I keep
    scrounging long enough, one will drop into my lap eventually :)

    What I /really/ should do, though, is just upgrade the motherboard. I
    have an old AMD Athlon 900MHz which would be perfect for the build.
    Not only does it have a faster CPU and peripherals (including USB
    2.0!!!) but it supports SATA drives, which would let me use my other
    PSUs. The only reasons I didn't use it in the build originally are:

    a) I just like the Pentium II Slot-1 configuration;
    b) I don't have an appropriate heat-sink/fan for the Athlon, and
    c) 900MHz seems a bit fast for that era of Windows98 gaming.

    But from a technological front, a newer motherboard would solve a lot
    of my issues.


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  • From Mike S.@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 14, 2026 14:45:30
    On Mon, 13 Jul 2026 11:29:16 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That's almost he same one I have, except mine is wired, and has some
    keys on the top I've literally never used.

    https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-K580-Mechanical-Anti-ghosting-Dedicated/dp/B07G11G2X8

    Yeah, it is similar. I chose the one I did because I wanted it to be
    both wired and wireless and I like it has no unnecessary extra plastic
    around the edges. It is, I believe, as small as a 10-keyless keyboard
    can be. Finally, it came with red switches, which I prefer.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Mike S.@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 14, 2026 14:50:50
    On Mon, 13 Jul 2026 19:20:50 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mine's far, far cheaper: >https://shopsalvationarmyblob.blob.core.windows.net/assets/media/5155af38-d984-4597-a102-edc33d99be80_largesize.jpg
    No mechanical keyswitches for me; I got premium-quality rubber-dome >technology! ;-)

    Heh.

    I have a CyberPower PC keyboard that came with my PC but I never used
    it. It is still in its original box. It is not the same as yours
    though.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
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  • From Anssi Saari@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 14, 2026 23:47:36
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    But I really do like the scroll-wheel that controls the sound-volume
    (also, it has a numpad. I can't live without a numpad)

    I remember some keyboard reviewer really liked the volume knob. I had
    that too for some time, I think it was a Dell keyboard I got from
    work. But back then, I used the amp remote to adjust the volume because,
    well, what else would you use? Thought I, back then.

    I kind of see the point. Some time ago I booted ancient PC/IX on an
    emulator, a Unix-like operating system for the original IBM PC. There is
    no Unix-traditional "vi" editor, instead they shipped something
    else. Which is hard to use, especially as it uses the keypad and my
    usual keyboard is TKL...

    In the end, as my interest in that retro system was limited, I wrote my
    little "hello world" C code on my PC and transferred it over via a
    virtual floppy.

    Still, other than this fairly weird emulator thing, I haven't had much
    need for the keypad.

    Keyboard fetishists probably would quail at the idea of having to use
    such a terrible board, but it works well enough for me. I never really
    cared much for mechanical keyswitches myself anyway.

    At some point I really wanted the old school IBM model M. Mostly to wake
    me up if I accidentally pressed and held the space bar while reading
    Usenet News over a modem, that "clunk" sound always worked... But didn't
    get around to it. Then when those and other IBM keyboards were available
    again from that guy who found a warehouse full of them, I actually got a
    model F. But that turned out to have one broken key and anyways, it's
    not a full PC keyboard. So fun for a while but didn't stick with it.

    Then, I had married and didn't want to wake up my wife with any late
    night gaming sessions with a clicky keyboard so ended up with a fnatic miniStreak, populated with the silent version of Cherry MX Reds which
    aren't clicky at all. Backlit too which I had really been wanting for a
    while.


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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, July 15, 2026 02:25:13
    Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    But I really do like the scroll-wheel that controls the sound-volume
    (also, it has a numpad. I can't live without a numpad)

    I remember some keyboard reviewer really liked the volume knob. I had
    that too for some time, I think it was a Dell keyboard I got from
    work. But back then, I used the amp remote to adjust the volume because, well, what else would you use? Thought I, back then.

    I kind of see the point. Some time ago I booted ancient PC/IX on an
    emulator, a Unix-like operating system for the original IBM PC. There is
    no Unix-traditional "vi" editor, instead they shipped something
    else. Which is hard to use, especially as it uses the keypad and my
    usual keyboard is TKL...

    I remember using vi in college in Linux and Unix. I hated it and still
    do today. I don't use emacs too. I do nano (formerly pico). :P


    Keyboard fetishists probably would quail at the idea of having to use
    such a terrible board, but it works well enough for me. I never really cared much for mechanical keyswitches myself anyway.

    At some point I really wanted the old school IBM model M. Mostly to wake
    me up if I accidentally pressed and held the space bar while reading
    Usenet News over a modem, that "clunk" sound always worked... But didn't
    get around to it. Then when those and other IBM keyboards were available again from that guy who found a warehouse full of them, I actually got a model F. But that turned out to have one broken key and anyways, it's
    not a full PC keyboard. So fun for a while but didn't stick with it.

    Then, I had married and didn't want to wake up my wife with any late
    night gaming sessions with a clicky keyboard so ended up with a fnatic miniStreak, populated with the silent version of Cherry MX Reds which
    aren't clicky at all. Backlit too which I had really been wanting for a while.

    My former employer's cubicle neighbor co(lleague/worker)s hated my loud
    fast typings on clicky Dell PC104 keyboaeds. I told them how am I
    supposed to work fast? ;) My college friend said my typings sounded like
    a machine gun. LOL!
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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, July 15, 2026 10:19:25
    On Tue, 14 Jul 2026 23:47:36 +0300, Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> said this thing:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    But I really do like the scroll-wheel that controls the sound-volume
    (also, it has a numpad. I can't live without a numpad)

    I remember some keyboard reviewer really liked the volume knob. I had
    that too for some time, I think it was a Dell keyboard I got from
    work. But back then, I used the amp remote to adjust the volume because, >well, what else would you use? Thought I, back then.


    The one I use is not, I will be the first to admit, a very good
    keyboard. I'm relucatant to give it up, though, simply because I find
    the volume roller too useful (and much preferable to an actual volume
    knob). Still, I don't really mind (and in fact, sort of prefer) mushy rubber-dome switches. I just wouldn't recommend it to anyone else.




    Backlit too which I had really been wanting for a
    while.


    Backlit is a gimmick for me. It makes for pretty keyboards, but really
    I'm just as fine without. Unfortunately, my current keyboard all but
    demands that I use the backlighting because the keycaps are too dim to
    be seen in even dim light without the feature enabled. (Not so much of
    a problem with the QWERTY keys, of course, but sometimes I forget
    where the more random puncuation marks are and need to look ;-)


    Really, though, my primary consideration with keyboards is price. I
    usually go for the cheapest thing available. ;-)



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
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  • From Anssi Saari@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, July 15, 2026 23:19:48
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:

    I remember using vi in college in Linux and Unix. I hated it and still
    do today. I don't use emacs too. I do nano (formerly pico). :P

    I originally learned vi because Emacs took too long to start on the very overloaded school Unix machine, whatever it was back when. Still using
    Emacs for work since it happens to rock for my work and then there's
    also Org-mode for maintaining todo lists and life in general. Well, VS
    Code or one of its forks might be the future though. Still editing with
    vi if it's just some text or config file :)

    My former employer's cubicle neighbor co(lleague/worker)s hated my loud
    fast typings on clicky Dell PC104 keyboaeds. I told them how am I
    supposed to work fast? ;) My college friend said my typings sounded like
    a machine gun. LOL!

    Dell had clicky keyboards? I had no idea. I thought that was an IBM
    thing, before this ongoing craze with mechanical keys.

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