On 2026-05-01, St‚phane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

Le 30-04-2026, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> a ‚critÿ:

On 2026-04-30, Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

I just noticed another new feature in KDE Plasma after the latest
upgrade on my Debian Unstable system: I can now drag windows using a
modifier with the left mouse button, without them coming to the front.
(By default this is Alt, I changed it to Super to avoid interfering
with Alt-click commands in Blender.)

This was a standard feature under X11, of course. But it seemed to
have disappeared with the move to Wayland. But now it works again.

I'll wait with Wayland until it reaches somewhat feature parity with
X11. There seems to be nothing but regressions from my POV in the move
to Wayland.

For me I see only advantages to Wayland over X11 by now. I have no
feature which were working on X11 and don't on Wayland. As I hate
overlapping Windows, I have no Window which should stay below or not.

But using sometimes more than one screen, with different resolutions,
X11 is just shit. If I have one browser tab on my laptop and one browser
tab on a big screen, then either I can't read what's on the big screen because it's to tiny, or I have huge characters which take all the
screen on my laptop and can't have enough displayed. And that is, for
me, a huge feature provided by Wayland which is enough to put X11 in a museum.

I have a simple monitor set up, so the different resolutions aren't an issue.

For me, its more that my Window Manager of choice, FVWM is an X11 one,
and I do have some scripts that use xclip/xsel and xdotool. X11 over
network is handy, from time to time, though not a deal breaker. There
are some old X programs I do like and I'm a creature of habit.

Things do move on, yes, but there isn't a problem I have which Wayland
solves, so it seems kind of pointless at the moment.

Are there many graphical X programs which won't run under Wayland, or is
there some compatibility?

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Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> writes:

Are there many graphical X programs which won't run under Wayland, or is there some compatibility?

X11 programs run under Wayland via XWayland, which is essentially Xorg
but it displays via Wayland rather than directly. (So same idea as Xvnc,
Xrdp, Xnest, etc).

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

--- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
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On Sun, 3 May 2026 12:34:27 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

Are there many graphical X programs which won't run under Wayland,
or is there some compatibility?

Wayland DEs currently include the ?XWayland? compatibility layer. This
is described as having ?limitations?, but I?m not sure what they might
be.

I know I can run xeyes, and use that to distinguish X11-based apps
from native Wayland ones; the eyes keep tracking when the mouse moves
into a window from one of the former, but stop when I get to one from
the latter.

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