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Please correct or improve where I err or omit as this type of data is very >hard to obtain in one place on the Internet so it's a lot of work to get.
10. Samsung Galaxy S10 / S10+ / S10e
Shipped for retail sale on March 8, 2019.
Last Full-Parity release: Android 12
in Dec 2021.
1,018 days / 365 = 2.79 years for full support.
On 4/17/26 12:09 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system
I'm posting this with my Chromebook so this reply will likely only be seen
in the Android group as this PhoNews newsreader has a
post-to-one-group-only bug (though some might call it a feature since it
does avoid the phone (brand) wars)...
Please correct or improve where I err or omit as this type of data is very >hard to obtain in one place on the Internet so it's a lot of work to get.
10. Samsung Galaxy S10 / S10+ / S10e
Mine is a Samsung Galaxy S10+ SM-G975U.
Shipped for retail sale on March 8, 2019.
I bought mine in September 2019
Last Full-Parity release: Android 12
Mine is on Android 12.
in Dec 2021.
My phone says its last update was June 1, 2024 at 7:29AM. In Software info
it says "You're all set!" with a green checkmark. Further "Your phone has
been updated to the latest software version." When I push the "System
update" button it rotates for several seconds then says "Your SAMSUNG
SM-G975U is up to date. No update is necessary at this time." And another
green arrow pops up. Everything must be great, huh.
I'm kinda surprised it doesn't say: "Hey dip**** your phone is really old
and out of date and needs to be replaced! They might actually sell more
phones that way.
1,018 days / 365 = 2.79 years for full support.
But then there's good old Google. Last updated my phone last month with a
bunch of what's new stuff to try. Love that Google...
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
My phone says "You're all set!" with a green checkmark. Further "Your phone has
been updated to the latest software version." When I push the "System
update" button it rotates for several seconds then says "Your SAMSUNG
SM-G975U is up to date. No update is necessary at this time." And another >> green arrow pops up. Everything must be great, huh.
Please go to Settings -> About phone (at the bottom) -> Software
Information -> Android security patch level (at the bottom)
Report the date listed below 'Android security patch level'.
Anything else is irrelevant, because it might just be the date of some
'Google Play system update', which, as you mention below, could be as
new as February/March of this year. (Which is the case for our Samsung
Galaxy A51 phones (Android 13).)
I'm kinda surprised it doesn't say: "Hey dip**** your phone is really old
and out of date and needs to be replaced! They might actually sell more
phones that way.
But then there's good old Google. Last updated my phone last month with a
bunch of what's new stuff to try. Love that Google...
On 4/18/26 8:27 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
My phone says "You're all set!" with a green checkmark. Further "Your phone has
been updated to the latest software version." When I push the "System
update" button it rotates for several seconds then says "Your SAMSUNG
SM-G975U is up to date. No update is necessary at this time." And another >> green arrow pops up. Everything must be great, huh.
I was trying to be sarcastic about the Samsung my phone being up to date
wording here. Perhaps lost in translation?
Please go to Settings -> About phone (at the bottom) -> Software
Information -> Android security patch level (at the bottom)
Report the date listed below 'Android security patch level'.
There's no 'Android security patch level' there. There is an 'SE for Android
status' though and its entry is quoted below. Not sure what enforcing means
but the date is likely what you're looking for?
Enforcing
SEPF_SM-G975U_12_0001
Thu May 09 16:27:08 2004
Anything else is irrelevant, because it might just be the date of some
'Google Play system update', which, as you mention below, could be as
new as February/March of this year. (Which is the case for our Samsung >Galaxy A51 phones (Android 13).)
Yup. 4 lines up is 'Google Play system update' which says March 1, 2026.
I'm kinda surprised it doesn't say: "Hey dip**** your phone is really old >> and out of date and needs to be replaced! They might actually sell more >> phones that way.
^M
But then there's good old Google. Last updated my phone last month with a >> bunch of what's new stuff to try. Love that Google...
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 4/18/26 8:27 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
My phone says "You're all set!" with a green checkmark. Further "Your phone has
been updated to the latest software version." When I push the "System
update" button it rotates for several seconds then says "Your SAMSUNG
SM-G975U is up to date. No update is necessary at this time." And another
green arrow pops up. Everything must be great, huh.
I was trying to be sarcastic about the Samsung my phone being up to date
wording here. Perhaps lost in translation?
Yes, I got that (sarcastic) bit, but I was referring to the date you
mentioned in your (now snipped) part:
<you>
My phone says its last update was June 1, 2024 at 7:29AM.
</you>
Please go to Settings -> About phone (at the bottom) -> Software
Information -> Android security patch level (at the bottom)
Report the date listed below 'Android security patch level'.
There's no 'Android security patch level' there. There is an 'SE for Android >> status' though and its entry is quoted below. Not sure what enforcing means >> but the date is likely what you're looking for?
Enforcing
SEPF_SM-G975U_12_0001
Thu May 09 16:27:08 2004
[I assume that's 2024. 2004 is a tad old! :-)]
Strange that there is no 'Android security patch level' there. AFAIR,
it has been there at least since Android 10.
Anyway, the SE date is normally close to the 'Android security patch
level' date. The 'Kernel version' date is also close to that. On my
current A56, they're only off by 1 day.
Still strange that there's nearly a month between your SE date and
your "My phone says ..." date.
Anything else is irrelevant, because it might just be the date of some
'Google Play system update', which, as you mention below, could be as
new as February/March of this year. (Which is the case for our Samsung
Galaxy A51 phones (Android 13).)
Yup. 4 lines up is 'Google Play system update' which says March 1, 2026.
Good! Way to go, Google! :-)
I'm kinda surprised it doesn't say: "Hey dip**** your phone is really old >> >> and out of date and needs to be replaced! They might actually sell more >> >> phones that way.
^M
But then there's good old Google. Last updated my phone last month with a >> >> bunch of what's new stuff to try. Love that Google...
There's no 'Android security patch level' there. There is an 'SE for Android
status' though and its entry is quoted below. Not sure what enforcing means
but the date is likely what you're looking for?
Enforcing
SEPF_SM-G975U_12_0001
Thu May 09 16:27:08 2004
On 4/18/26 11:09 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 4/18/26 8:27 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
My phone says "You're all set!" with a green checkmark. Further "Your phone has
been updated to the latest software version." When I push the "System >> >> update" button it rotates for several seconds then says "Your SAMSUNG >> >> SM-G975U is up to date. No update is necessary at this time." And another
green arrow pops up. Everything must be great, huh.
I was trying to be sarcastic about the Samsung my phone being up to date >> wording here. Perhaps lost in translation?
Yes, I got that (sarcastic) bit, but I was referring to the date you
mentioned in your (now snipped) part:
Sorry, I forgot snipping pisses you off...
<you>
My phone says its last update was June 1, 2024 at 7:29AM.
</you>
Correct. My phone: Settings/Software update/Applied: "June 1, 2024 at 7:29
AM"
Strange that there is no 'Android security patch level' there. AFAIR,
it has been there at least since Android 10.
Actually there is. Turns out my scrolling finger was disconnected earlier. Settings/Software info/Android security patch level: March 1, 2023
Correct. My phone: Settings/Software update/Applied: "June 1, 2024 at 7:29
AM"
yoursnipping made *you* draw the wrong conclusion
Theo wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
There's no 'Android security patch level' there. There is an 'SE for Android
status' though and its entry is quoted below. Not sure what enforcing means
but the date is likely what you're looking for?
Enforcing
SEPF_SM-G975U_12_0001
Thu May 09 16:27:08 2004
I think this relates to the firmware of the Secure Enclave. 'Enforcing'
perhaps means that the enclave is in full operation, whereas there may be
some kind of 'relaxed' or developer mode where, eg, it doesn't do some
checks.
Dunno if non-Samsung devices have this, but at least Samsung adds SEPF >(Samsung Enhanced Policy Files) on top of the Android base SELinux.
Never thought about "enforcing" prior, but a google search implies
Enforcing means that SELinux (Security-Enhanced Linux) is actively
enforcing security rules during which time if an app or process tries to do >something not allowed, the system blocks it.
SEPF_SM-G975U_12_0001 is apparently Samsung's security policy file for your >AJL's specific model, presumably an (SM-G975U = Galaxy S10+), Android 12 >(but see below about the Android 12 ambiguity).
Date is apparently the build date of that specific security policy file.
For the record, my Galaxy A32-5G (which is no longer on full support) says:
SE for Android status
Enforcing
SEPF_SM-A326U_12_0001
Wed Feb 19 18:52:36 2025
Indicating, similarly that SELinux is active and enforcing rules, not just >logging them so any app or process that tries to do something outside the >allowed security policy gets blocked.
Apparently, the opposite would be "permissive", as far as I can tell.
In my case, the version of the security file is
a. SEPF meaning Samsung Enhanced Policy File
b. SM-A326U indicating my device model (Galaxy A32 5G, U.S. variant)
c. 12 oddly indicating Android 12 but I'm really on Android 13
d. 0001 is apparently the policy revision number
e. Wed Feb 19 18:52:36 2025 is the build date of the security policy file
Note that apparently, Samsung did not update the SELinux policy file name >when upgrading my device from Android 12 to Android 13.
We could cover this one topic forever with the amount of data on it I see,
so I'll stop there, but it's not Secure Enclave so much as Secure Enhanced.
On 4/18/26 1:15 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
your^Msnipping made *you* draw the wrong conclusion
Nope. My conclusion for several years now has been that my 6 year old
phone's security is very outdated. I certainly didn't need to rummage
around in various parts of settings to figure that out...
BTW how did I do with my snipping this time... ;)
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
My conclusion for several years now has been that my 6 year old
phone's security is very outdated.
I don't think that a 6 year old phone without recent security
updates is a (security) problem per se. My wife's A51 is similar at
5 2/3 year. And I would still be using my A51 if it didn't break
hardware wise (too frequent hardware caused crashes).
I consider the security of my 'sensitive' (i.e. banking, etc.) *apps*
the deciding factor, not the security of the underlying OS (i.e.
Android). As long as the app developers (i.e. the banks, etc.) support
the 'old' Android version, that's fine by me.
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