If you are a brit u have some work to do. Get out there and advocate
for people to sign that petition. They just use kids as an excuse
to monitor u and ur data. This act is against the standards of the
GDPR.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WPrLq9ErZ38
On Sat, 28 Mar 2026 18:58:52 +0000, Mr Anderson <Agent@Matrix.org>
wrote:
If you are a brit u have some work to do. Get out there and advocate
for people to sign that petition. They just use kids as an excuse
to monitor u and ur data. This act is against the standards of the
GDPR.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WPrLq9ErZ38
I have no problem verifying my age so that I don't have restrictions
to they type of content that I can access. I have no interest in
signing this petition.
On Sat, 28 Mar 2026 18:58:52 +0000, Mr Anderson <Agent@Matrix.org>
wrote:
If you are a brit u have some work to do. Get out there and advocate
for people to sign that petition. They just use kids as an excuse
to monitor u and ur data. This act is against the standards of the
GDPR.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WPrLq9ErZ38
I have no problem verifying my age so that I don't have restrictions
to they type of content that I can access. I have no interest in
signing this petition.
On 29 Mar 2026, Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> posted some
On Sat, 28 Mar 2026 18:58:52 +0000, Mr Anderson <Agent@Matrix.org>
wrote:
If you are a brit u have some work to do. Get out there and advocate
for people to sign that petition. They just use kids as an excuse
to monitor u and ur data. This act is against the standards of the
GDPR.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WPrLq9ErZ38
I have no problem verifying my age so that I don't have restrictions
to they type of content that I can access. I have no interest in
signing this petition.
It's very simple. I'll just block any and all UK address space.
Problem solved. Stupid people make stupid policy.
Who the fuck cares about what you block? You do not really understand
what happens in the UK.
Chris in Makati, 2026-03-30 03:46:
On Sat, 28 Mar 2026 18:58:52 +0000, Mr Anderson <Agent@Matrix.org>
wrote:
If you are a brit u have some work to do. Get out there and advocate
for people to sign that petition. They just use kids as an excuse
to monitor u and ur data. This act is against the standards of the
GDPR.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WPrLq9ErZ38
I have no problem verifying my age so that I don't have restrictions
to they type of content that I can access. I have no interest in
signing this petition.
It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with
your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even
better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else
using your devices.
On Sat, 28 Mar 2026 18:58:52 +0000, Mr Anderson <Agent@Matrix.org>
wrote:
If you are a brit u have some work to do. Get out there and advocate
for people to sign that petition. They just use kids as an excuse
to monitor u and ur data. This act is against the standards of the
GDPR.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WPrLq9ErZ38
I have no problem verifying my age so that I don't have restrictions
to they type of content that I can access.
I have no interest in
signing this petition.
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:16 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>[...]
wrote:
It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with
your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even
better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else
using your devices.
I didn't need to provide any personal ID. Apple just verified my age
by determining that I had credit cards enrolled in my Apple Wallet.
Chris in Makati, 2026-03-31 03:20:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:16 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>[...]
wrote:
It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with
your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even
better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else
using your devices.
I didn't need to provide any personal ID. Apple just verified my age
by determining that I had credit cards enrolled in my Apple Wallet.
Where does one get credit cards anonymously?
Chris in Makati, 2026-03-31 03:20:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:16 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>[...]
wrote:
It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with
your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even
better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else
using your devices.
I didn't need to provide any personal ID. Apple just verified my age
by determining that I had credit cards enrolled in my Apple Wallet.
Where does one get credit cards anonymously?
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 12:28:04 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-03-31 03:20:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:16 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>[...]
wrote:
It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with
your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even
better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else
using your devices.
I didn't need to provide any personal ID. Apple just verified my age
by determining that I had credit cards enrolled in my Apple Wallet.
Where does one get credit cards anonymously?
I have no idea. Why do you want that? None of mine are anonymous.
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-01 05:21:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 12:28:04 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-03-31 03:20:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:16 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> >>>> wrote:[...]
It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with >>>>> your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even >>>>> better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else >>>>> using your devices.
I didn't need to provide any personal ID. Apple just verified my age
by determining that I had credit cards enrolled in my Apple Wallet.
Where does one get credit cards anonymously?
I have no idea. Why do you want that? None of mine are anonymous.
I don't want that - but when Apple verifies the age by determining the >enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal >information as well. It is part of the credit card. So there is no age >verification without Apple knowing the personal information.
On Wed, 1 Apr 2026 08:07:51 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-01 05:21:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 12:28:04 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-03-31 03:20:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:16 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> >>>>> wrote:[...]
It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with >>>>>> your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even >>>>>> better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else >>>>>> using your devices.
I didn't need to provide any personal ID. Apple just verified my age >>>>> by determining that I had credit cards enrolled in my Apple Wallet.
Where does one get credit cards anonymously?
I have no idea. Why do you want that? None of mine are anonymous.
I don't want that - but when Apple verifies the age by determining the
enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal
information as well. It is part of the credit card. So there is no age
verification without Apple knowing the personal information.
So why are you asking about where to get anonymous credit cards from?
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-02 08:45:
On Wed, 1 Apr 2026 08:07:51 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-01 05:21:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 12:28:04 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> >>>> wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-03-31 03:20:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:16 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> >>>>>> wrote:[...]
Where does one get credit cards anonymously?It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with >>>>>>> your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even >>>>>>> better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else >>>>>>> using your devices.
I didn't need to provide any personal ID. Apple just verified my age >>>>>> by determining that I had credit cards enrolled in my Apple Wallet. >>>>>
I have no idea. Why do you want that? None of mine are anonymous.
I don't want that - but when Apple verifies the age by determining the
enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal
information as well. It is part of the credit card. So there is no age
verification without Apple knowing the personal information.
So why are you asking about where to get anonymous credit cards from?
Because the claim was, that Apples age verification using Apple wallet
does not require to give Apple any personal information - and this is
wrong, because you can not get a credit card anonymously and credit card >information is mandatory when using Apple wallet.
On Thu, 2 Apr 2026 11:48:41 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-02 08:45:
On Wed, 1 Apr 2026 08:07:51 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-01 05:21:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 12:28:04 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> >>>>> wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-03-31 03:20:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:16 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> >>>>>>> wrote:[...]
Where does one get credit cards anonymously?It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with >>>>>>>> your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even >>>>>>>> better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else >>>>>>>> using your devices.
I didn't need to provide any personal ID. Apple just verified my age >>>>>>> by determining that I had credit cards enrolled in my Apple Wallet. >>>>>>
I have no idea. Why do you want that? None of mine are anonymous.
I don't want that - but when Apple verifies the age by determining the >>>> enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal
information as well. It is part of the credit card. So there is no age >>>> verification without Apple knowing the personal information.
So why are you asking about where to get anonymous credit cards from?
Because the claim was, that Apples age verification using Apple wallet
does not require to give Apple any personal information - and this is
wrong, because you can not get a credit card anonymously and credit card
information is mandatory when using Apple wallet.
The personal information needed to obtain a credit card is held by the
bank that issued that card. This would be information such as date of
birth, address, income, etc.
That data is not provided to Apple. All Apple needs to know is that you
are at least 18 years old, and simply having credit card is sufficient
proof of that.
dogs, and even
dead people have been issued credit cards in the past. The banks don't >really care as long as someone is paying them the massive interest
rates for the credit. :-\
The personal information needed to obtain a credit card is held by the
bank that issued that card. This would be information such as date of
birth, address, income, etc.
That data is not provided to Apple. All Apple needs to know is that
you are at least 18 years old, and simply having credit card is
sufficient proof of that.
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-01 05:21:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 12:28:04 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-03-31 03:20:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:16 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> >>>> wrote:[...]
It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with >>>>> your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even >>>>> better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else >>>>> using your devices.
I didn't need to provide any personal ID. Apple just verified my age
by determining that I had credit cards enrolled in my Apple Wallet.
Where does one get credit cards anonymously?
I have no idea. Why do you want that? None of mine are anonymous.
I don't want that - but when Apple verifies the age by determining the enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal information as well. It is part of the credit card. So there is no age verification without Apple knowing the personal information.
On 2026-04-01 08:07, Arno Welzel wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-01 05:21:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 12:28:04 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-03-31 03:20:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:16 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> >>>>> wrote:[...]
It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with >>>>>> your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even >>>>>> better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else >>>>>> using your devices.
I didn't need to provide any personal ID. Apple just verified my age >>>>> by determining that I had credit cards enrolled in my Apple Wallet.
Where does one get credit cards anonymously?
I have no idea. Why do you want that? None of mine are anonymous.
I don't want that - but when Apple verifies the age by determining the
enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal
information as well. It is part of the credit card. So there is no age
verification without Apple knowing the personal information.
Apple knowing doesn't mean that Apple shares that information with the
site or app that request if you are of age.
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-04 01:53:
[...]
The personal information needed to obtain a credit card is held by the
bank that issued that card. This would be information such as date of
birth, address, income, etc.
That data is not provided to Apple. All Apple needs to know is that
you are at least 18 years old, and simply having credit card is
sufficient proof of that.
In case of a legal dispute anyone can enforce the release of personal >connected to the credit card registered in the Apple wallet. This would
just not be possible, if there was no credit card information at all >connected to the Apple account. Also at least the name of the credit
card holder is also known to Apple, if you enroll a credit card in Apple >wallet.
It's quite naive to think, that you stay completely anonymous for Apple
even if you enroll a credit card there.
On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 21:57:18 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-04 01:53:
[...]
The personal information needed to obtain a credit card is held by the
bank that issued that card. This would be information such as date of
birth, address, income, etc.
That data is not provided to Apple. All Apple needs to know is that
you are at least 18 years old, and simply having credit card is
sufficient proof of that.
In case of a legal dispute anyone can enforce the release of personal
connected to the credit card registered in the Apple wallet. This would
just not be possible, if there was no credit card information at all
connected to the Apple account. Also at least the name of the credit
card holder is also known to Apple, if you enroll a credit card in Apple
wallet.
It's quite naive to think, that you stay completely anonymous for Apple
even if you enroll a credit card there.
That's a completely different situation from what you originally
described.
You initially stated that "when Apple verifies the age by determining
the enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal information as well." That claim is inaccurate.
In any case, the personal information in question would not be held by
Apple, but by the bank that issued the credit card. That data is
protected under applicable data protection laws and is not disclosed
unless legally required.
Apple knowing doesn't mean that Apple shares that information with
the site or app that request if you are of age.
I went to our tax office to get new license plates the other day and
they have a sign up that says: 'No Apple pay accepted'.
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-07 05:23:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 21:57:18 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-04 01:53:
[...]
The personal information needed to obtain a credit card is held by the >>>> bank that issued that card. This would be information such as date of
birth, address, income, etc.
That data is not provided to Apple. All Apple needs to know is that
you are at least 18 years old, and simply having credit card is
sufficient proof of that.
In case of a legal dispute anyone can enforce the release of personal
connected to the credit card registered in the Apple wallet. This would
just not be possible, if there was no credit card information at all
connected to the Apple account. Also at least the name of the credit
card holder is also known to Apple, if you enroll a credit card in Apple >>> wallet.
It's quite naive to think, that you stay completely anonymous for Apple
even if you enroll a credit card there.
That's a completely different situation from what you originally
described.
You initially stated that "when Apple verifies the age by determining
the enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal
information as well." That claim is inaccurate.
No, it is not. Before you enroll a credit card, Apple does not know
anything about you. You can claim to be Alfred E. Neumann and just use
their services.
In any case, the personal information in question would not be held by
Apple, but by the bank that issued the credit card. That data is
protected under applicable data protection laws and is not disclosed
unless legally required.
Exactly - but when you don't enroll a credit card, there is no personal information at all connected to that Apple account.
On 2026-04-07 08:31, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-07 05:23:
You initially stated that "when Apple verifies the age by determining
the enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal
information as well." That claim is inaccurate.
No, it is not. Before you enroll a credit card, Apple does not know
anything about you. You can claim to be Alfred E. Neumann and just use
their services.
The credit card can belong to another person. For example, to a parent
that pays the expenses.
On 2026-04-07 03:21, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
Apple knowing doesn't mean that Apple shares that information with
the site or app that request if you are of age.
I went to our tax office to get new license plates the other day and
they have a sign up that says: 'No Apple pay accepted'.
Good :-) I use Android and Google Pay :-)
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-07 05:23:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 21:57:18 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-04 01:53:
[...]
The personal information needed to obtain a credit card is held by the >>>> bank that issued that card. This would be information such as date of
birth, address, income, etc.
That data is not provided to Apple. All Apple needs to know is that
you are at least 18 years old, and simply having credit card is
sufficient proof of that.
In case of a legal dispute anyone can enforce the release of personal
connected to the credit card registered in the Apple wallet. This would
just not be possible, if there was no credit card information at all
connected to the Apple account. Also at least the name of the credit
card holder is also known to Apple, if you enroll a credit card in Apple >>> wallet.
It's quite naive to think, that you stay completely anonymous for Apple
even if you enroll a credit card there.
That's a completely different situation from what you originally
described.
You initially stated that "when Apple verifies the age by determining
the enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal
information as well." That claim is inaccurate.
No, it is not. Before you enroll a credit card, Apple does not know
anything about you. You can claim to be Alfred E. Neumann and just use
their services.
In any case, the personal information in question would not be held by
Apple, but by the bank that issued the credit card. That data is
protected under applicable data protection laws and is not disclosed
unless legally required.
Exactly - but when you don't enroll a credit card, there is no personal information at all connected to that Apple account.
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