• Testing suggests Google?s AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, April 08, 2026 09:38:30
    https://arstechnica.com/google/2026/04/analysis-finds-google-ai-overviews-is-wrong-10-percent-of-the-time/


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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 14, 2026 09:05:27
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/google/2026/04/analysis-finds-google-ai-overviews-is-wrong-10-percent-of-the-time/

    This reveals how little reasoning and cross-checking really goes on
    when these AIs answer questions:

    Scientists invented an obviously fake illness, and AI spread it
    like truth within weeks https://www.osnews.com/story/144787/scientists-invented-an-obviously-fake-illness-and-ai-spread-it-like-truth-within-weeks/

    This seems to be the fact some people here can't get their head
    around:

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools have no
    understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they can't actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko machines with
    the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely path between
    the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it has already
    hit. "AI" output understands the world about as much as the
    pachinko ball does, and as such, can't pick up on even the most
    obvious of cues that something is a fake or a forgery."

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  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 14, 2026 12:31:52
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/google/2026/04/analysis-finds-google-ai-overviews-is-wrong-10-percent-of-the-time/
    This reveals how little reasoning and cross-checking really goes on
    when these AIs answer questions:

    Scientists invented an obviously fake illness, and AI spread it
    like truth within weeks https://www.osnews.com/story/144787/scientists-invented-an-obviously-fake-illness-and-ai-spread-it-like-truth-within-weeks/

    This seems to be the fact some people here can't get their head
    around:

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools have no
    understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they can't actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko machines with
    the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely path between
    the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it has already
    hit. "AI" output understands the world about as much as the
    pachinko ball does, and as such, can't pick up on even the most
    obvious of cues that something is a fake or a forgery."


    interesting. but if they can't 'think' how do/can they write essays?

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, April 15, 2026 08:30:50
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    This seems to be the fact some people here can't get their head
    around:

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools have no
    understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they can't actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko machines with
    the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely path between
    the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it has already
    hit. "AI" output understands the world about as much as the
    pachinko ball does, and as such, can't pick up on even the most
    obvious of cues that something is a fake or a forgery."

    interesting. but if they can't 'think' how do/can they write essays?

    Same as everything: Model the language structure of essays found on
    the web then reformat text believed relevent to the topic according
    to that model. This is the basis of the Large Language Models. Real
    AI is what's now being called "Artificial General Intelligence",
    the LLMs are a shortcut method that doesn't bother with
    understanding things but figures out how words go together in
    relevent ways, without regard to whether the words they're
    rearrangeing are completely irrelevent or in this case obviously
    nonsensical. Hence the convincing BS it shovels onto you when it
    hasn't found the equivalent of good search results and reformats
    words from irrelevent texts instead.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_General_Intelligence

    AI generated images of people missing fingers are another example -
    it doesn't know what a finger is, and the model is built on example
    images where fingers are sometimes visible and sometimes not, so it
    follows a model of similar visual characteristics and produces
    something obviously wrong.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, April 15, 2026 08:43:11
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools have no
    understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they can't actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko machines with
    the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely path between
    the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it has already
    hit.

    Just did this one, https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91

    That result is nothing even remotely like what you would
    get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got that
    question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed and
    didnt get as useful a result from google

    I get this page from a brewery by searching for "handles of beer"
    with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" range given
    in your AI answer ans disputes that it's the same as a schooner
    in the NT:

    https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names

    "The Northern Territory's beer sizes

    The Northern Territory's more tropical weather makes larger sizes
    slightly less popular to the average drinker, as they go warm quick
    if not enjoyed fast enough.

    Ask for a handle of beer if you're after a 285mL, smaller beer to
    enjoy (although middy or pot are generally accepted too). These may
    come with a handle, so you don't warm the beer too quickly holding
    it in your hand.

    Schooners are the same as most other regions of Australia, coming
    in at 425mL. Pints and jugs are also the same at 570mL and 1,140mL."

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, April 15, 2026 09:18:46
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools have no
    understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they can't actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko machines with
    the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely path between
    the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it has already
    hit.

    Just did this one,
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91

    That result is nothing even remotely like what you would
    get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got that
    question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed and
    didnt get as useful a result from google

    I get this page from a brewery by searching for "handles of beer"
    with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" range given
    in your AI answer

    The grok response accurately points out that
    the volume varys with the location, fuckwit

    But inaccurately states the volume only varies between in range of
    425-450mL and always matches a schooner.

    ans disputes that it's the same as a schooner in the NT:

    https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names

    "The Northern Territory's beer sizes

    Pity we arent discussing the NT, fuckwit

    Your question to the AI never mentioned any location. It was
    speaking about all of Australia and in the NT it could be way off.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Friday, April 17, 2026 08:17:52
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools have no
    understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they can't actually >>>>>> make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko machines with >>>>>> the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely path between >>>>>> the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it has already >>>>>> hit.

    Just did this one,
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91

    That result is nothing even remotely like what you would
    get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got that
    question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed and
    didnt get as useful a result from google

    I get this page from a brewery by searching for "handles of beer"
    with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" range given
    in your AI answer

    The grok response accurately points out that
    the volume varys with the location, fuckwit

    But inaccurately states the volume only varies between in range of
    425-450mL

    Bullshit does

    and always matches a schooner.

    It doesn't say that either

    It says it over and over from the start:

    "18 handles of beer" refers to 18 schooners (or pints) of beer in
    Australian slang"
    "A "handle" is a common term for a schooner"
    "So, "18 handles" means the person drank 18 schooners"

    ans disputes that it's the same as a schooner in the NT:

    https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names

    "The Northern Territory's beer sizes

    Pity we arent discussing the NT, fuckwit

    Your question to the AI never mentioned any location.

    But it did accurately work out where I was getting that
    phrase from, presumably by checking when that phrase has
    been used recently, something google wouldnt have done

    Which is no excuse for providing an answer that doesn't apply in
    the NT when it doesn't even know for sure that the ABC article was
    what prompted your question. Plus it clearly said it applied
    Australia-wide.

    It was speaking about all of Australia and in the NT it could be way
    off.

    But isnt with Flinders Island which is where the phrase was used

    And you don't even know if the stoneandwood is accurate even for the NT

    Well my source is an Australian brewery, your Artificial Idiot's
    source is... nothing. No cites except the very ABC article that
    prompted your question. So there's no way to judge the accuracy
    of its statement since you can only guess where it might have got
    the info from.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, April 18, 2026 08:46:07
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools have no >>>>>>>> understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they can't >>>>>>>> actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko machines with >>>>>>>> the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely path between >>>>>>>> the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it has already >>>>>>>> hit.

    Just did this one,
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91

    That result is nothing even remotely like what you would
    get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got that
    question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed and
    didnt get as useful a result from google

    You just ignored that

    What, that you can't Google?

    I get this page from a brewery by searching for "handles of beer"
    with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" range given
    in your AI answer

    The grok response accurately points out that
    the volume varys with the location, fuckwit

    But inaccurately states the volume only varies between in range of
    425-450mL

    Bullshit it does

    and always matches a schooner.

    It doesn't say that either

    It says it over and over from the start:

    Bullshit on your ALWAYS lie

    "18 handles of beer" refers to 18 schooners (or pints) of beer in
    Australian slang"
    "A "handle" is a common term for a schooner"
    "So, "18 handles" means the person drank 18 schooners"

    Pity about

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Like the USSD definition, in normal grammar the qualification at
    the end would only apply to the part after the "--".

    and disputes that it's the same as a schooner in the NT:

    https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names

    "The Northern Territory's beer sizes

    Pity we arent discussing the NT, fuckwit

    Your question to the AI never mentioned any location.

    But it did accurately work out where I was getting that
    phrase from, presumably by checking when that phrase has
    been used recently, something google wouldnt have done

    Which is no excuse for providing an answer that doesn't apply in
    the NT when it doesn't even know for sure that the ABC article was
    what prompted your question.

    But it did work that out. So much for your
    stupid glorified pachinko machine stupidty

    Plus it clearly said it applied Australia-wide.

    Bullshit it does with

    He says while snipping where it said that.

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    And replacing it with where talked about something else.

    It was speaking about all of Australia and in the NT it could be way
    off.

    But isnt with Flinders Island which is where the phrase was used

    And you don't even know if the stoneandwood is accurate even for the NT

    Well my source is an Australian brewery, your Artificial Idiot's
    source is... nothing.

    Pity about the SOURCES it lists, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    No cites except the very ABC article that
    prompted your question. So there's no way to judge the accuracy
    of its statement since you can only guess where it might have got
    the info from.

    Even a terminal fuckwit like you should be able to check the SOURCES

    Yeah, sources full of random Reddit discussions, which it probably
    paid attention to instead of better results like the brewery I
    found. But since it doesn't say specifically where it got those
    facts it stated from, you can't tell. Useless.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, April 22, 2026 08:37:34
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools have no >>>>>>>>>> understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they can't >>>>>>>>>> actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko machines >>>>>>>>>> with
    the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely path >>>>>>>>>> between
    the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it has >>>>>>>>>> already
    hit.

    Just did this one,
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91

    That result is nothing even remotely like what you would
    get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got that
    question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed and
    didnt get as useful a result from google

    You just ignored that

    What, that you can't Google?

    I can and do google

    No, that that result is nothing even remotely like what
    you would get from a glorified pachinko machine

    I get this page from a brewery by searching for "handles of beer" >>>>>>>> with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" range given >>>>>>>> in your AI answer

    The grok response accurately points out that
    the volume varys with the location, fuckwit

    But inaccurately states the volume only varies between in range of >>>>>> 425-450mL

    Bullshit it does

    and always matches a schooner.

    It doesn't say that either

    It says it over and over from the start:

    Bullshit on your ALWAYS lie

    "18 handles of beer" refers to 18 schooners (or pints) of beer in
    Australian slang"
    "A "handle" is a common term for a schooner"
    "So, "18 handles" means the person drank 18 schooners"

    Pity about

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Like the USSD definition,

    There was no USSD definition

    in normal grammar the qualification at theend would only apply to the
    part after the "--".

    Pity about the DEPENDING ON THE STATE
    you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    and disputes that it's the same as a schooner in the NT:

    https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names

    "The Northern Territory's beer sizes

    Pity we arent discussing the NT, fuckwit

    Your question to the AI never mentioned any location.

    But it did accurately work out where I was getting that
    phrase from, presumably by checking when that phrase has
    been used recently, something google wouldn't have done

    Which is no excuse for providing an answer that doesn't apply in
    the NT when it doesn't even know for sure that the ABC article was
    what prompted your question.

    But it did work that out. So much for your
    stupid glorified pachinko machine stupidty

    Plus it clearly said it applied Australia-wide.

    Bullshit it does with

    He says while snipping where it said that.

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Pity about the

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Which you carefully omitted from what you quoted

    And replacing it with where talked about something else.

    Bullshit it talked about something else

    It was speaking about all of Australia and in the NT it could be way >>>>>> off.

    But isnt with Flinders Island which is where the phrase was used

    And you don't even know if the stoneandwood is accurate even for the >>>>> NT

    Well my source is an Australian brewery, your Artificial Idiot's
    source is... nothing.

    Pity about the SOURCES it lists, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit
    artist

    No cites except the very ABC article that
    prompted your question. So there's no way to judge the accuracy
    of its statement since you can only guess where it might have got
    the info from.

    Even a terminal fuckwit like you should be able to check the SOURCES

    Yeah, sources full of random Reddit discussions,

    More of your barefaced lies on the random

    which it probably paid attention to insteadof better results like the >> brewery I found.

    Bullshit it did and it basically said the same
    thing, that handle normally means 425-450 ml

    No, it only talked about the term being used in the NT, and for the
    same 285ml quanity as a "middy" or "pot" in other sates. Plus it
    didn't know where you were asking about anyway so shouldn't assume
    what it "normally means" there.

    You say it did correctly pick the article that prompted your
    question:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-14/pedestrian-death-flinders-island-coroner-dismissal/106562466

    So I did a web search for "coronial findings tasmania" and found
    the actual coroner's report that had prompted the article here:

    https://www.magistratescourt.tas.gov.au/coronerscourt/findings/coronialfindings/2026/Investigation-into-the-death-of-David-Stanley-Bailey-Ruling.pdf

    Footnote number 6, on page 3, is of interest:

    "6 A handle of beer is 285mls in volume."

    So your Artificial Idiot lied about the quantity meant in the exact
    article that prompted your question! Its total quantity would be
    off by at least 2.52L!

    An intelligent web search on the other hand helps get you the
    actual answer from the source of the article that prompted your
    question, instead of that useless AI BS.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, April 23, 2026 07:37:52
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools have >>>>>>>>>>>> no
    understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they can't >>>>>>>>>>>> actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko machines >>>>>>>>>>>> with
    the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely path >>>>>>>>>>>> between
    the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it has >>>>>>>>>>>> already
    hit.

    Just did this one,
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91

    That result is nothing even remotely like what you would >>>>>>>>>>> get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got that >>>>>>>>>>> question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed and >>>>>>>>>>> didnt get as useful a result from google

    You just ignored that

    What, that you can't Google?

    I can and do google

    No, that that result is nothing even remotely like what
    you would get from a glorified pachinko machine

    There you go, ignoring that again

    Yep.

    I get this page from a brewery by searching for "handles of beer" >>>>>>>>>> with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" range given >>>>>>>>>> in your AI answer

    The grok response accurately points out that
    the volume varys with the location, fuckwit

    But inaccurately states the volume only varies between in range of >>>>>>>> 425-450mL

    Bullshit it does

    and always matches a schooner.

    It doesn't say that either

    It says it over and over from the start:

    Bullshit on your ALWAYS lie

    "18 handles of beer" refers to 18 schooners (or pints) of beer in
    Australian slang"

    "A "handle" is a common term for a schooner"

    "So, "18 handles" means the person drank 18 schooners"

    Pity about

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Like the USSD definition,

    There was no USSD definition

    in normal grammar the qualification at theend would only apply to the >>>> part after the "--".

    Pity about the DEPENDING ON THE STATE
    you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    and disputes that it's the same as a schooner in the NT:

    https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names

    That doesnt even say what the volume of a handle of beer is

    285ml in the NT like I quoted before. It also says this which would
    suggest such terms also mean less than the 425ml for a schooner
    elsewhere in Aus:

    "By and large, jugs, pints and schooners are a pretty universally
    understood size (except in SA), with most of the smaller options
    often having a name unique to the region."

    And neither does anything else that google turns up

    "The Northern Territory's beer sizes

    Pity we arent discussing the NT, fuckwit

    Your question to the AI never mentioned any location.

    But it did accurately work out where I was getting that
    phrase from, presumably by checking when that phrase has
    been used recently, something google wouldn't have done

    Which is no excuse for providing an answer that doesn't apply in
    the NT when it doesn't even know for sure that the ABC article was >>>>>> what prompted your question.

    But it did work that out. So much for your
    stupid glorified pachinko machine stupidty

    Plus it clearly said it applied Australia-wide.

    Bullshit it does with

    He says while snipping where it said that.

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Pity about the

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Which you carefully omitted from what you quoted

    And replacing it with where talked about something else.

    Bullshit it talked about something else

    It was speaking about all of Australia and in the NT it could be >>>>>>>> way off.

    But isnt with Flinders Island which is where the phrase was used

    And you don't even know if the stoneandwood is accurate even for the >>>>>>> NT

    Well my source is an Australian brewery, your Artificial Idiot's
    source is... nothing.

    Pity about the SOURCES it lists, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit
    artist

    No cites except the very ABC article that
    prompted your question. So there's no way to judge the accuracy
    of its statement since you can only guess where it might have got
    the info from.

    Even a terminal fuckwit like you should be able to check the SOURCES

    Yeah, sources full of random Reddit discussions,

    More of your barefaced lies on the random

    which it probably paid attention to instead of better results like the >>>> brewery I found.

    Bullshit it did and it basically said the same
    thing, that handle normally means 425-450 ml

    No, it only talked about the term being used in the NT,

    Which isnt where we are discussing,
    so is a completely useless result

    and for the same 285ml quanity as a "middy" or "pot" in other sates.

    Plus it didn't know where you were asking about anyway

    Corse it did when it named that explicitly

    so shouldn't assume what it "normally means" there.

    It didn't assume anything you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    It assumed everything, and clearly got it all wrong.

    You say it did correctly pick the article that prompted your question:

    It clearly did

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-14/pedestrian-death-flinders-island-coroner-dismissal/106562466

    So I did a web search for "coronial findings tasmania" and found
    the actual coroner's report that had prompted the article here:

    https://www.magistratescourt.tas.gov.au/coronerscourt/findings/coronialfindings/2026/Investigation-into-the-death-of-David-Stanley-Bailey-Ruling.pdf

    Footnote number 6, on page 3, is of interest:

    "6 A handle of beer is 285mls in volume."

    Just because that fuckwit got that wrong...

    No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle

    So your Artificial Idiot lied about the quantity meantin the exact
    article that prompted your question!

    More of your mindless bullshit

    Its total quantity would be off by at least 2.52L!

    Wrong, as always

    An intelligent web search on the other hand helps get you the
    actual answer from the source of the article that prompted your
    question, instead of that useless AI BS.

    The fuckwit coroner actually got it wrong
    No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle

    Hillarious! You had to ask what a handle of beer is, but now you're
    denying what a brewery, and the coroner who first used the phrase,
    both say it means. On the basis of an AI response which doesn't
    even say specificially where it got its definition from.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, April 23, 2026 13:50:33
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
    no
    understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko machines >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
    the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely path >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
    the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it has >>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
    hit.

    Just did this one,
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91

    That result is nothing even remotely like what you would >>>>>>>>>>>>> get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got that >>>>>>>>>>>>> question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed and >>>>>>>>>>>>> didnt get as useful a result from google

    You just ignored that

    What, that you can't Google?

    I can and do google

    No, that that result is nothing even remotely like what
    you would get from a glorified pachinko machine

    There you go, ignoring that again

    Yep.

    Because even you realise that you can never
    bullshit your way out of that terminal stupidity

    Nope.

    I get this page from a brewery by searching for "handles of >>>>>>>>>>>> beer"
    with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" range >>>>>>>>>>>> given
    in your AI answer

    The grok response accurately points out that
    the volume varys with the location, fuckwit

    But inaccurately states the volume only varies between in range >>>>>>>>>> of 425-450mL

    Bullshit it does

    and always matches a schooner.

    It doesn't say that either

    It says it over and over from the start:

    Bullshit on your ALWAYS lie

    "18 handles of beer" refers to 18 schooners (or pints) of beer in >>>>>>>> Australian slang"

    "A "handle" is a common term for a schooner"

    "So, "18 handles" means the person drank 18 schooners"

    Pity about

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Even you realise that you can never
    bullshit your way out of that stupid lie

    Umm, That was your AI's lie. But I'm glad you finally agree it was
    telling you BS.

    Like the USSD definition,

    There was no USSD definition

    in normal grammar the qualification at the end would only apply to >>>>>> the part after the "--".

    Pity about the DEPENDING ON THE STATE
    you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    and disputes that it's the same as a schooner in the NT:

    https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names

    That doesnt even say what the volume of a handle of beer is

    285ml in the NT like I quoted before.

    Pity we aren't discussing the NT, as I told you before

    Your AI didn't know that.

    It also says this which would
    suggest such terms also mean less than the 425ml for a schooner
    elsewhere in Aus:

    "By and large, jugs, pints and schooners are a pretty universally
    understood size (except in SA), with most of the smaller options
    often having a name unique to the region."

    That suggests nothing of the sort, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    Smaller options have the names "unique to the region" such as
    handle.

    And neither does anything else that google turns up

    Which blows a fucking great hole in your stupid
    claim that google gets it right and grok doesn't

    "The Northern Territory's beer sizes

    Pity we arent discussing the NT, fuckwit

    Your question to the AI never mentioned any location.

    But it did accurately work out where I was getting that
    phrase from, presumably by checking when that phrase has
    been used recently, something google wouldn't have done

    Which is no excuse for providing an answer that doesn't apply in >>>>>>>> the NT when it doesn't even know for sure that the ABC article was >>>>>>>> what prompted your question.

    But it did work that out. So much for your
    stupid glorified pachinko machine stupidty

    Plus it clearly said it applied Australia-wide.

    Bullshit it does with

    He says while snipping where it said that.

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Pity about the

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Which you carefully omitted from what you quoted

    And replacing it with where talked about something else.

    Bullshit it talked about something else

    It was speaking about all of Australia and in the NT it could be >>>>>>>>>> way off.

    But isnt with Flinders Island which is where the phrase was used

    And you don't even know if the stoneandwood is accurate even for >>>>>>>>> the NT

    Well my source is an Australian brewery, your Artificial Idiot's >>>>>>>> source is... nothing.

    Pity about the SOURCES it lists, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit >>>>>>> artist

    No cites except the very ABC article that
    prompted your question. So there's no way to judge the accuracy >>>>>>>> of its statement since you can only guess where it might have got >>>>>>>> the info from.

    Even a terminal fuckwit like you should be able to check the SOURCES

    Yeah, sources full of random Reddit discussions,

    More of your barefaced lies on the random

    which it probably paid attention to instead of better results like >>>>>> the brewery I found.

    Bullshit it did and it basically said the same
    thing, that handle normally means 425-450 ml

    No, it only talked about the term being used in the NT,

    Which isnt where we are discussing,
    so is a completely useless result

    and for the same 285ml quanity as a "middy" or "pot" in other sates.

    Plus it didn't know where you were asking about anyway

    Corse it did when it named that explicitly

    so shouldn't assume what it "normally means" there.

    It didn't assume anything you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    It assumed everything, and clearly got it all wrong.

    It didnt get where the term handle was used
    wrong, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    Did so too.

    And you haven't extablished that the term
    handle isnt mostly used for 425-450 ml either

    Did so too.

    You say it did correctly pick the article that prompted your
    question:

    It clearly did

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-14/pedestrian-death-flinders-island-coroner-dismissal/106562466

    So I did a web search for "coronial findings tasmania" and found
    the actual coroner's report that had prompted the article here:

    https://www.magistratescourt.tas.gov.au/coronerscourt/findings/coronialfindings/2026/Investigation-into-the-death-of-David-Stanley-Bailey-Ruling.pdf

    Footnote number 6, on page 3, is of interest:

    "6 A handle of beer is 285mls in volume."

    Just because that fuckwit got that wrong...

    No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle

    Have fun listing anywhere that does

    Furneaux Tavern where David Bailey was served, of course!

    So your Artificial Idiot lied about the quantity meantin the exact
    article that prompted your question!

    More of your mindless bullshit

    Its total quantity would be off by at least 2.52L!

    Wrong, as always

    An intelligent web search on the other hand helps get you the
    actual answer from the source of the article that prompted your
    question, instead of that useless AI BS.

    The fuckwit coroner actually got it wrong
    No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle

    Hillarious!

    Pathetic!!

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    You had to ask what a handle of beer is,

    Because I had never heard that term
    used before for a measure of beer.

    The only thing that comes even close is
    a stein or a jug of beer, both of which I
    have heard plenty of times before

    So obviously the brewery and coroner know more than you, and as
    usual the AI doesn't know anything.

    but now you're denying what a brewery,

    It never says that that term is used in Kangaroo Island

    Wrong island.

    and the coroner who first used the phrase,

    And got it wrong and even google proves that

    They used the phrase and defined it, nothing on Google's going to
    prove they meant something else.

    both say it means. On the basis of an AI response which doesn't
    even say specificially where it got its definition from.

    More of your stupid bare faced lies with the SOURCES

    No evidence which of those it paid attention to, if any.

    And the coroner and stoneandwood doesn't either

    They're trustworthy sources themselves, unlike random Reddit
    threads which the AI was looking through.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Friday, April 24, 2026 09:16:46
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
    no
    understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines
    with
    the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely path >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
    the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
    hit.

    Just did this one,
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91

    That result is nothing even remotely like what you would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didnt get as useful a result from google

    You just ignored that

    What, that you can't Google?

    I can and do google

    No, that that result is nothing even remotely like what
    you would get from a glorified pachinko machine

    There you go, ignoring that again

    Yep.

    Because even you realise that you can never
    bullshit your way out of that terminal stupidity

    Nope.

    Yep

    Glad you agree.

    I get this page from a brewery by searching for "handles of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> beer"
    with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" range >>>>>>>>>>>>>> given
    in your AI answer

    The grok response accurately points out that
    the volume varys with the location, fuckwit

    But inaccurately states the volume only varies between in range >>>>>>>>>>>> of 425-450mL

    Bullshit it does

    and always matches a schooner.

    It doesn't say that either

    It says it over and over from the start:

    Bullshit on your ALWAYS lie

    "18 handles of beer" refers to 18 schooners (or pints) of beer in >>>>>>>>>> Australian slang"

    "A "handle" is a common term for a schooner"

    "So, "18 handles" means the person drank 18 schooners"

    Pity about

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Even you realise that you can never
    bullshit your way out of that stupid lie

    Umm, That was your AI's lie.

    You haven't shown that it is a lie

    Only a blind man couldn't see what I've shown, or one of your
    Artificial Idiots.

    But I'm glad you finally agree it was telling you BS.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Like the USSD definition,

    There was no USSD definition

    in normal grammar the qualification at the end would only apply to >>>>>>>> the part after the "--".

    Pity about the DEPENDING ON THE STATE
    you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    and disputes that it's the same as a schooner in the NT:

    https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names

    That doesnt even say what the volume of a handle of beer is

    285ml in the NT like I quoted before.

    Pity we aren't discussing the NT, as I told you before

    Your AI didn't know that.

    Corse it did when it mentioned Flinders Island

    But you didn't, to it.

    It also says this which would
    suggest such terms also mean less than the 425ml for a schooner
    elsewhere in Aus:

    "By and large, jugs, pints and schooners are a pretty universally
    understood size (except in SA), with most of the smaller options
    often having a name unique to the region."

    That suggests nothing of the sort, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit
    artist

    Smaller options have the names "unique to the region" such as
    handle.

    It doesnt say that about the word handle, you pathetic excuse for a
    bullshit artist and NO ONE serves options in a container with a handle

    It's about the quantity, the article actually only says they "may
    come with a handle", but if you ever got out you'd have seen beer
    glases with handles before anyway.

    It's hillarious how wrong you are, here's one with "285ml" actually
    printed on the side!

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/306586746914

    And neither does anything else that google turns up

    Which blows a fucking great hole in your stupid
    claim that google gets it right and grok doesn't

    "The Northern Territory's beer sizes

    Pity we arent discussing the NT, fuckwit

    Your question to the AI never mentioned any location.

    But it did accurately work out where I was getting that
    phrase from, presumably by checking when that phrase has >>>>>>>>>>> been used recently, something google wouldn't have done

    Which is no excuse for providing an answer that doesn't apply in >>>>>>>>>> the NT when it doesn't even know for sure that the ABC article >>>>>>>>>> was what prompted your question.

    But it did work that out. So much for your
    stupid glorified pachinko machine stupidty

    Plus it clearly said it applied Australia-wide.

    Bullshit it does with

    He says while snipping where it said that.

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Pity about the

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around
    425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Which you carefully omitted from what you quoted

    And replacing it with where talked about something else.

    Bullshit it talked about something else

    It was speaking about all of Australia and in the NT it could >>>>>>>>>>>> be way off.

    But isnt with Flinders Island which is where the phrase was used

    And you don't even know if the stoneandwood is accurate even for >>>>>>>>>>> the NT

    Well my source is an Australian brewery, your Artificial Idiot's >>>>>>>>>> source is... nothing.

    Pity about the SOURCES it lists, you pathetic excuse for a >>>>>>>>> bullshit artist

    No cites except the very ABC article that
    prompted your question. So there's no way to judge the accuracy >>>>>>>>>> of its statement since you can only guess where it might have got >>>>>>>>>> the info from.

    Even a terminal fuckwit like you should be able to check the >>>>>>>>> SOURCES

    Yeah, sources full of random Reddit discussions,

    More of your barefaced lies on the random

    which it probably paid attention to instead of better results like >>>>>>>> the brewery I found.

    Bullshit it did and it basically said the same
    thing, that handle normally means 425-450 ml

    No, it only talked about the term being used in the NT,

    Which isnt where we are discussing,
    so is a completely useless result

    and for the same 285ml quanity as a "middy" or "pot" in other sates.

    Plus it didn't know where you were asking about anyway

    Corse it did when it named that explicitly

    so shouldn't assume what it "normally means" there.

    It didn't assume anything you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    It assumed everything, and clearly got it all wrong.

    It didnt get where the term handle was used
    wrong, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    Did so too.

    How odd that you can't prove that

    Did so too.

    And you haven't extablished that the term
    handle isnt mostly used for 425-450 ml either

    Did so too.

    How odd that you can't prove that

    Did so too.

    You say it did correctly pick the article that prompted your
    question:

    It clearly did

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-14/pedestrian-death-flinders-island-coroner-dismissal/106562466

    So I did a web search for "coronial findings tasmania" and found
    the actual coroner's report that had prompted the article here:

    https://www.magistratescourt.tas.gov.au/coronerscourt/findings/coronialfindings/2026/Investigation-into-the-death-of-David-Stanley-Bailey-Ruling.pdf

    Footnote number 6, on page 3, is of interest:

    "6 A handle of beer is 285mls in volume."

    Just because that fuckwit got that wrong...

    No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle

    Have fun listing anywhere that does

    Furneaux Tavern where David Bailey was served, of course!

    You don't know that you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    The coroner knows it.

    So your Artificial Idiot lied about the quantity meantin the exact >>>>>> article that prompted your question!

    More of your mindless bullshit

    Its total quantity would be off by at least 2.52L!

    Wrong, as always

    An intelligent web search on the other hand helps get you the
    actual answer from the source of the article that prompted your
    question, instead of that useless AI BS.

    The fuckwit coroner actually got it wrong
    No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle

    Hillarious!

    Pathetic!!

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    You had to ask what a handle of beer is,

    Because I had never heard that term
    used before for a measure of beer.

    The only thing that comes even close is
    a stein or a jug of beer, both of which I
    have heard plenty of times before

    So obviously the brewery

    The brewery says nothing of the sort
    you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    You've clearly forgotten what the brewery said at this point.

    and coroner know more than you,

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    and as usual the AI doesn't know anything.

    Neither does google you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    but now you're denying what a brewery,

    It never says that that term is used in Flinders Island

    and the coroner who first used the phrase,

    And got it wrong and even google proves that

    They used the phrase and defined it,

    With not a shred of evidence that their definition is correct

    nothing on Google's going to prove they meant something else.

    But not a shred of evidence that they got it right

    Where's your AI's shred of evidence they meant 425-450ml instead
    of 285ml like they said?

    both say it means. On the basis of an AI response which doesn't
    even say specificially where it got its definition from.

    More of your stupid bare faced lies with the SOURCES

    No evidence which of those it paid attention to, if any.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    And the coroner and stoneandwood doesn't either

    They're trustworthy sources themselves,

    Mindless bullshit with the coroner's claim
    which can't be substantiated anywhere

    Their claim about the meaning of what they said themselves? Yeah,
    and you prove when you say "Mindless bullshit" it doesn't mean
    "you're absolutely right", which it obviously really does mean in
    this discussion.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, April 25, 2026 08:20:39
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" tools >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
    no
    understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
    actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines
    with
    the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> path
    between
    the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
    already
    hit.

    Just did this one,
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91

    That result is nothing even remotely like what you would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didnt get as useful a result from google

    You just ignored that

    What, that you can't Google?

    I can and do google

    No, that that result is nothing even remotely like what
    you would get from a glorified pachinko machine

    There you go, ignoring that again

    Yep.

    Because even you realise that you can never
    bullshit your way out of that terminal stupidity

    Nope.

    Yep

    Glad you agree.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something

    I get this page from a brewery by searching for "handles of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beer"
    with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" range >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given
    in your AI answer

    The grok response accurately points out that
    the volume varys with the location, fuckwit

    But inaccurately states the volume only varies between in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> range of 425-450mL

    Bullshit it does

    and always matches a schooner.

    It doesn't say that either

    It says it over and over from the start:

    Bullshit on your ALWAYS lie

    "18 handles of beer" refers to 18 schooners (or pints) of beer >>>>>>>>>>>> in
    Australian slang"

    "A "handle" is a common term for a schooner"

    "So, "18 handles" means the person drank 18 schooners"

    Pity about

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Even you realise that you can never
    bullshit your way out of that stupid lie

    Umm, That was your AI's lie.

    You haven't shown that it is a lie

    Only a blind man couldn't see what I've shown, or one of your
    Artificial Idiots.

    You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag

    But I'm glad you finally agree it was telling you BS.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something

    Like the USSD definition,

    There was no USSD definition

    in normal grammar the qualification at the end would only apply >>>>>>>>>> to
    the part after the "--".

    Pity about the DEPENDING ON THE STATE
    you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    and disputes that it's the same as a schooner in the NT:

    https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names

    That doesnt even say what the volume of a handle of beer is

    285ml in the NT like I quoted before.

    Pity we aren't discussing the NT, as I told you before

    Your AI didn't know that.

    Corse it did when it mentioned Flinders Island

    But you didn't, to it.

    Didn't need to, it worked that out for itself

    It also says this which would
    suggest such terms also mean less than the 425ml for a schooner
    elsewhere in Aus:

    "By and large, jugs, pints and schooners are a pretty universally
    understood size (except in SA), with most of the smaller options
    often having a name unique to the region."

    That suggests nothing of the sort, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit >>>>> artist

    Smaller options have the names "unique to the region" such as
    handle.

    It doesn't say that about the word handle, you pathetic excuse for a
    bullshit artist and NO ONE serves options in a container with a handle

    It's about the quantity, the article actually only says they "may
    come with a handle",

    Not with that particular volume they don't

    but if you ever got out you'd have seenbeer glases with handles before >> anyway.

    Not with that particular volume they don't

    It's hillarious how wrong you are,

    We'll see...

    here's one with "285ml" actually printed on the side!

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/306586746914

    Pity that says VINTAGE.

    Wow, your arguments have got even weaker than your AI's nonsense.
    That's just too cute to dispute.

    And neither does anything else that google turns up

    Which blows a fucking great hole in your stupid
    claim that google gets it right and grok doesn't

    "The Northern Territory's beer sizes

    Pity we arent discussing the NT, fuckwit

    Your question to the AI never mentioned any location.

    But it did accurately work out where I was getting that >>>>>>>>>>>>> phrase from, presumably by checking when that phrase has >>>>>>>>>>>>> been used recently, something google wouldn't have done

    Which is no excuse for providing an answer that doesn't apply >>>>>>>>>>>> in
    the NT when it doesn't even know for sure that the ABC article >>>>>>>>>>>> was what prompted your question.

    But it did work that out. So much for your
    stupid glorified pachinko machine stupidty

    Plus it clearly said it applied Australia-wide.

    Bullshit it does with

    He says while snipping where it said that.

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Pity about the

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the state.

    Which you carefully omitted from what you quoted

    And replacing it with where talked about something else.

    Bullshit it talked about something else

    It was speaking about all of Australia and in the NT it could >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be way off.

    But isnt with Flinders Island which is where the phrase was >>>>>>>>>>>>> used

    And you don't even know if the stoneandwood is accurate even >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the NT

    Well my source is an Australian brewery, your Artificial >>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot's source is... nothing.

    Pity about the SOURCES it lists, you pathetic excuse for a >>>>>>>>>>> bullshit artist

    No cites except the very ABC article that
    prompted your question. So there's no way to judge the accuracy >>>>>>>>>>>> of its statement since you can only guess where it might have >>>>>>>>>>>> got the info from.

    Even a terminal fuckwit like you should be able to check the >>>>>>>>>>> SOURCES

    Yeah, sources full of random Reddit discussions,

    More of your barefaced lies on the random

    which it probably paid attention to instead of better results >>>>>>>>>> like the brewery I found.

    Bullshit it did and it basically said the same
    thing, that handle normally means 425-450 ml

    No, it only talked about the term being used in the NT,

    Which isnt where we are discussing,
    so is a completely useless result

    and for the same 285ml quanity as a "middy" or "pot" in other >>>>>>>> sates.

    Plus it didn't know where you were asking about anyway

    Corse it did when it named that explicitly

    so shouldn't assume what it "normally means" there.

    It didn't assume anything you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    It assumed everything, and clearly got it all wrong.

    It didnt get where the term handle was used
    wrong, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    Did so too.

    How odd that you can't prove that

    Did so too.

    Bullshit you ever did

    And you haven't extablished that the term
    handle isnt mostly used for 425-450 ml either

    Did so too.

    How odd that you can't prove that

    Did so too.

    Bullshit you ever did

    You say it did correctly pick the article that prompted your
    question:

    It clearly did

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-14/pedestrian-death-flinders-island-coroner-dismissal/106562466

    So I did a web search for "coronial findings tasmania" and found >>>>>>>> the actual coroner's report that had prompted the article here:

    https://www.magistratescourt.tas.gov.au/coronerscourt/findings/coronialfindings/2026/Investigation-into-the-death-of-David-Stanley-Bailey-Ruling.pdf

    Footnote number 6, on page 3, is of interest:

    "6 A handle of beer is 285mls in volume."

    Just because that fuckwit got that wrong...

    No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle

    Have fun listing anywhere that does

    Furneaux Tavern where David Bailey was served, of course!

    You don't know that you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    The coroner knows it.

    Nope, just ignorantly CLAIMS that

    So if you only believe AI BS, why believe anything else they claim?

    So your Artificial Idiot lied about the quantity meantin the exact >>>>>>>> article that prompted your question!

    More of your mindless bullshit

    Its total quantity would be off by at least 2.52L!

    Wrong, as always

    An intelligent web search on the other hand helps get you the
    actual answer from the source of the article that prompted your >>>>>>>> question, instead of that useless AI BS.

    The fuckwit coroner actually got it wrong
    No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle

    Hillarious!

    Pathetic!!

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something

    You had to ask what a handle of beer is,

    Because I had never heard that term
    used before for a measure of beer.

    The only thing that comes even close is
    a stein or a jug of beer, both of which I
    have heard plenty of times before

    So obviously the brewery

    The brewery says nothing of the sort
    you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    You've clearly forgotten what the brewery said at this point.

    It never says that you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    and coroner know more than you,

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    and as usual the AI doesn't know anything.

    Neither does google you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    but now you're denying what a brewery,

    It never says that that term is used in Flinders Island

    and the coroner who first used the phrase,

    And got it wrong and even google proves that

    They used the phrase and defined it,

    With not a shred of evidence that their definition is correct

    nothing on Google's going to prove they meant something else.

    But not a shred of evidence that they got it right

    Where's your AI's shred of evidence they meant 425-450ml instead
    of 285ml like they said?

    Its in the SOURCES, fuckwit

    The SOURCES won't tell you what the coroner was thinking when they
    said that.

    both say it means. On the basis of an AI response which doesn't
    even say specificially where it got its definition from.

    More of your stupid bare faced lies with the SOURCES

    No evidence which of those it paid attention to, if any.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something

    And the coroner and stoneandwood doesn't either

    They're trustworthy sources themselves,

    Mindless bullshit with the coroner's claim
    which can't be substantiated anywhere

    Their claim about the meaning of what they said themselves?

    Yep, they just claim that and never say where they got that

    So there was no point to you reading the article that prompted your
    question to the AI, since it was all just repeating the coroner's
    claims anyway.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, April 26, 2026 07:54:32
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tools
    have
    no
    understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
    actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines
    with
    the output - the ball - tumbling down the most likely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> path
    between
    the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
    already
    hit.

    Just did this one,
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91

    That result is nothing even remotely like what you would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didnt get as useful a result from google

    You just ignored that

    What, that you can't Google?

    I can and do google

    No, that that result is nothing even remotely like what
    you would get from a glorified pachinko machine

    There you go, ignoring that again

    Yep.

    Because even you realise that you can never
    bullshit your way out of that terminal stupidity

    Nope.

    Yep

    Glad you agree.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something

    I get this page from a brewery by searching for "handles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
    beer"
    with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> range
    given
    in your AI answer

    The grok response accurately points out that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the volume varys with the location, fuckwit

    But inaccurately states the volume only varies between in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> range of 425-450mL

    Bullshit it does

    and always matches a schooner.

    It doesn't say that either

    It says it over and over from the start:

    Bullshit on your ALWAYS lie

    "18 handles of beer" refers to 18 schooners (or pints) of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> beer
    in
    Australian slang"

    "A "handle" is a common term for a schooner"

    "So, "18 handles" means the person drank 18 schooners"

    Pity about

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> state.

    Even you realise that you can never
    bullshit your way out of that stupid lie

    Umm, That was your AI's lie.

    You haven't shown that it is a lie

    Only a blind man couldn't see what I've shown, or one of your
    Artificial Idiots.

    You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag

    But I'm glad you finally agree it was telling you BS.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something

    Like the USSD definition,

    There was no USSD definition

    in normal grammar the qualification at the end would only apply >>>>>>>>>>>> to the part after the "--".

    Pity about the DEPENDING ON THE STATE
    you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    and disputes that it's the same as a schooner in the NT:

    https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names

    That doesnt even say what the volume of a handle of beer is

    285ml in the NT like I quoted before.

    Pity we aren't discussing the NT, as I told you before

    Your AI didn't know that.

    Corse it did when it mentioned Flinders Island

    But you didn't, to it.

    Didn't need to, it worked that out for itself

    It also says this which would
    suggest such terms also mean less than the 425ml for a schooner >>>>>>>> elsewhere in Aus:

    "By and large, jugs, pints and schooners are a pretty universally >>>>>>>> understood size (except in SA), with most of the smaller options >>>>>>>> often having a name unique to the region."

    That suggests nothing of the sort, you pathetic excuse for a
    bullshit artist

    Smaller options have the names "unique to the region" such as
    handle.

    It doesn't say that about the word handle, you pathetic excuse for a >>>>> bullshit artist and NO ONE serves options in a container with a handle

    It's about the quantity, the article actually only says they "may
    come with a handle",

    Not with that particular volume they don't

    but if you ever got out you'd have seenbeer glases with handles
    before anyway.

    Not with that particular volume they don't

    It's hillarious how wrong you are,

    We'll see...

    here's one with "285ml" actually printed on the side!

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/306586746914

    Pity that says VINTAGE.

    Wow, your arguments have got even weaker than your AI's nonsense.

    You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag

    That's just too cute to dispute.

    You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag

    And neither does anything else that google turns up

    Which blows a fucking great hole in your stupid
    claim that google gets it right and grok doesn't

    "The Northern Territory's beer sizes

    Pity we arent discussing the NT, fuckwit

    Your question to the AI never mentioned any location.

    But it did accurately work out where I was getting that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phrase from, presumably by checking when that phrase has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been used recently, something google wouldn't have done

    Which is no excuse for providing an answer that doesn't apply >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
    the NT when it doesn't even know for sure that the ABC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> article
    was what prompted your question.

    But it did work that out. So much for your
    stupid glorified pachinko machine stupidty

    Plus it clearly said it applied Australia-wide.

    Bullshit it does with

    He says while snipping where it said that.

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> state.

    Pity about the

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner --
    a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the >>>>>>>>>>> state.

    Which you carefully omitted from what you quoted

    And replacing it with where talked about something else.

    Bullshit it talked about something else

    It was speaking about all of Australia and in the NT it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be way off.

    But isnt with Flinders Island which is where the phrase was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used

    And you don't even know if the stoneandwood is accurate even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the NT

    Well my source is an Australian brewery, your Artificial >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot's source is... nothing.

    Pity about the SOURCES it lists, you pathetic excuse for a >>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit artist

    No cites except the very ABC article that
    prompted your question. So there's no way to judge the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accuracy
    of its statement since you can only guess where it might have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> got the info from.

    Even a terminal fuckwit like you should be able to check the >>>>>>>>>>>>> SOURCES

    Yeah, sources full of random Reddit discussions,

    More of your barefaced lies on the random

    which it probably paid attention to instead of better results >>>>>>>>>>>> like the brewery I found.

    Bullshit it did and it basically said the same
    thing, that handle normally means 425-450 ml

    No, it only talked about the term being used in the NT,

    Which isnt where we are discussing,
    so is a completely useless result

    and for the same 285ml quanity as a "middy" or "pot" in other >>>>>>>>>> sates.

    Plus it didn't know where you were asking about anyway

    Corse it did when it named that explicitly

    so shouldn't assume what it "normally means" there.

    It didn't assume anything you pathetic excuse for a bullshit >>>>>>>>> artist

    It assumed everything, and clearly got it all wrong.

    It didnt get where the term handle was used
    wrong, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    Did so too.

    How odd that you can't prove that

    Did so too.

    Bullshit you ever did

    And you haven't extablished that the term
    handle isnt mostly used for 425-450 ml either

    Did so too.

    How odd that you can't prove that

    Did so too.

    Bullshit you ever did

    You say it did correctly pick the article that prompted your >>>>>>>>>> question:

    It clearly did

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-14/pedestrian-death-flinders-island-coroner-dismissal/106562466

    So I did a web search for "coronial findings tasmania" and found >>>>>>>>>> the actual coroner's report that had prompted the article here:

    https://www.magistratescourt.tas.gov.au/coronerscourt/findings/coronialfindings/2026/Investigation-into-the-death-of-David-Stanley-Bailey-Ruling.pdf

    Footnote number 6, on page 3, is of interest:

    "6 A handle of beer is 285mls in volume."

    Just because that fuckwit got that wrong...

    No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle

    Have fun listing anywhere that does

    Furneaux Tavern where David Bailey was served, of course!

    You don't know that you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    The coroner knows it.

    Nope, just ignorantly CLAIMS that

    So if you only believe AI BS,

    There is no bullshit, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    why believe anything else they claim?

    Because I haven't seen AI get anything wrong

    It was the coroner claiming that, same as everything else in the
    article you read.

    So your Artificial Idiot lied about the quantity meantin the >>>>>>>>>> exact article that prompted your question!

    More of your mindless bullshit

    Its total quantity would be off by at least 2.52L!

    Wrong, as always

    An intelligent web search on the other hand helps get you the >>>>>>>>>> actual answer from the source of the article that prompted your >>>>>>>>>> question, instead of that useless AI BS.

    The fuckwit coroner actually got it wrong
    No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle

    Hillarious!

    Pathetic!!

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something

    You had to ask what a handle of beer is,

    Because I had never heard that term
    used before for a measure of beer.

    The only thing that comes even close is
    a stein or a jug of beer, both of which I
    have heard plenty of times before

    So obviously the brewery

    The brewery says nothing of the sort
    you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    You've clearly forgotten what the brewery said at this point.

    It never says that you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    and coroner know more than you,

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    and as usual the AI doesn't know anything.

    Neither does google you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    but now you're denying what a brewery,

    It never says that that term is used in Flinders Island

    and the coroner who first used the phrase,

    And got it wrong and even google proves that

    They used the phrase and defined it,

    With not a shred of evidence that their definition is correct

    nothing on Google's going to prove they meant something else.

    But not a shred of evidence that they got it right

    Where's your AI's shred of evidence they meant 425-450ml instead
    of 285ml like they said?

    Its in the SOURCES, fuckwit

    The SOURCES won't tell you what the coroner was thinking when they
    said that.

    That wasnt about what the coroner meant,
    its what the TAVERN meant when they told
    the coroner how much he had drank

    They clearly said he drank 18 285ml "handles".

    both say it means. On the basis of an AI response which doesn't >>>>>>>> even say specificially where it got its definition from.

    More of your stupid bare faced lies with the SOURCES

    No evidence which of those it paid attention to, if any.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something

    And the coroner and stoneandwood doesn't either

    They're trustworthy sources themselves,

    Mindless bullshit with the coroner's claim
    which can't be substantiated anywhere

    Their claim about the meaning of what they said themselves?

    Yep, they just claim that and never say where they got that

    So there was no point to you reading the article that prompted your
    question to the AI, since it was all just repeating the coroner's
    claims anyway.

    It is in fact doing nothing of the sort, you pathetic excuse for a
    bullshit artist

    No doubt you're too lazy to read though the coroner's report and
    see it has all the information that the article used.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 27, 2026 09:14:18
    Subject: Re: Testing suggests Google's AI Overviews tell millions of lies per hour

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

    "This shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, "AI" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tools
    have
    no
    understanding, no intelligence, no context, and they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
    actually
    make sense of anything. They are glorified pachinko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines
    with
    the output - the ball - tumbling down the most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely
    path
    between
    the pins based on nothing but chance and which pins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
    has
    already
    hit.

    Just did this one,
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_ff894a2f-e630-4557-92e9-435a87b51d91

    That result is nothing even remotely like what you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
    get from a glorified pachinko machine and yes I got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
    question from that news item in the ABC Just In feed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
    didnt get as useful a result from google

    You just ignored that

    What, that you can't Google?

    I can and do google

    No, that that result is nothing even remotely like what >>>>>>>>>>>>> you would get from a glorified pachinko machine

    There you go, ignoring that again

    Yep.

    Because even you realise that you can never
    bullshit your way out of that terminal stupidity

    Nope.

    Yep

    Glad you agree.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something

    I get this page from a brewery by searching for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "handles
    of
    beer"
    with Duck Duck Go, which contradicts the "425-450mL" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> range
    given
    in your AI answer

    The grok response accurately points out that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the volume varys with the location, fuckwit

    But inaccurately states the volume only varies between in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> range of 425-450mL

    Bullshit it does

    and always matches a schooner.

    It doesn't say that either

    It says it over and over from the start:

    Bullshit on your ALWAYS lie

    "18 handles of beer" refers to 18 schooners (or pints) of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beer
    in
    Australian slang"

    "A "handle" is a common term for a schooner"

    "So, "18 handles" means the person drank 18 schooners"

    Pity about

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state.

    Even you realise that you can never
    bullshit your way out of that stupid lie

    Umm, That was your AI's lie.

    You haven't shown that it is a lie

    Only a blind man couldn't see what I've shown, or one of your
    Artificial Idiots.

    You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag

    But I'm glad you finally agree it was telling you BS.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something

    Like the USSD definition,

    There was no USSD definition

    in normal grammar the qualification at the end would only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apply to the part after the "--".

    Pity about the DEPENDING ON THE STATE
    you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    and disputes that it's the same as a schooner in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NT:

    https://stoneandwood.com.au/blogs/all/our-guide-to-australias-beer-sizes-and-names

    That doesnt even say what the volume of a handle of beer is

    285ml in the NT like I quoted before.

    Pity we aren't discussing the NT, as I told you before

    Your AI didn't know that.

    Corse it did when it mentioned Flinders Island

    But you didn't, to it.

    Didn't need to, it worked that out for itself

    It also says this which would
    suggest such terms also mean less than the 425ml for a schooner >>>>>>>>>> elsewhere in Aus:

    "By and large, jugs, pints and schooners are a pretty universally >>>>>>>>>> understood size (except in SA), with most of the smaller options >>>>>>>>>> often having a name unique to the region."

    That suggests nothing of the sort, you pathetic excuse for a >>>>>>>>> bullshit artist

    Smaller options have the names "unique to the region" such as
    handle.

    It doesn't say that about the word handle, you pathetic excuse for a >>>>>>> bullshit artist and NO ONE serves options in a container with a >>>>>>> handle

    It's about the quantity, the article actually only says they "may
    come with a handle",

    Not with that particular volume they don't

    but if you ever got out you'd have seenbeer glases with handles
    before anyway.

    Not with that particular volume they don't

    It's hillarious how wrong you are,

    We'll see...

    here's one with "285ml" actually printed on the side!

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/306586746914

    Pity that says VINTAGE.

    Wow, your arguments have got even weaker than your AI's nonsense.

    You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag

    That's just too cute to dispute.

    You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag

    And neither does anything else that google turns up

    Which blows a fucking great hole in your stupid
    claim that google gets it right and grok doesn't

    "The Northern Territory's beer sizes

    Pity we arent discussing the NT, fuckwit

    Your question to the AI never mentioned any location.

    But it did accurately work out where I was getting that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phrase from, presumably by checking when that phrase has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been used recently, something google wouldn't have done

    Which is no excuse for providing an answer that doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apply
    in
    the NT when it doesn't even know for sure that the ABC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article
    was what prompted your question.

    But it did work that out. So much for your
    stupid glorified pachinko machine stupidty

    Plus it clearly said it applied Australia-wide.

    Bullshit it does with

    He says while snipping where it said that.

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state.

    Pity about the

    A "handle" is a common term for a schooner -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> a beer glass with a handle, typically holding around >>>>>>>>>>>>> 425-450 ml (about 15 oz) of beer, depending on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> state.

    Which you carefully omitted from what you quoted

    And replacing it with where talked about something else.

    Bullshit it talked about something else

    It was speaking about all of Australia and in the NT it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be way off.

    But isnt with Flinders Island which is where the phrase >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was used

    And you don't even know if the stoneandwood is accurate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even for the NT

    Well my source is an Australian brewery, your Artificial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot's source is... nothing.

    Pity about the SOURCES it lists, you pathetic excuse for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit artist

    No cites except the very ABC article that
    prompted your question. So there's no way to judge the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accuracy
    of its statement since you can only guess where it might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
    got the info from.

    Even a terminal fuckwit like you should be able to check the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOURCES

    Yeah, sources full of random Reddit discussions,

    More of your barefaced lies on the random

    which it probably paid attention to instead of better results >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the brewery I found.

    Bullshit it did and it basically said the same
    thing, that handle normally means 425-450 ml

    No, it only talked about the term being used in the NT,

    Which isnt where we are discussing,
    so is a completely useless result

    and for the same 285ml quanity as a "middy" or "pot" in other >>>>>>>>>>>> sates.

    Plus it didn't know where you were asking about anyway

    Corse it did when it named that explicitly

    so shouldn't assume what it "normally means" there.

    It didn't assume anything you pathetic excuse for a bullshit >>>>>>>>>>> artist

    It assumed everything, and clearly got it all wrong.

    It didnt get where the term handle was used
    wrong, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    Did so too.

    How odd that you can't prove that

    Did so too.

    Bullshit you ever did

    And you haven't extablished that the term
    handle isnt mostly used for 425-450 ml either

    Did so too.

    How odd that you can't prove that

    Did so too.

    Bullshit you ever did

    You say it did correctly pick the article that prompted your >>>>>>>>>>>> question:

    It clearly did

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-14/pedestrian-death-flinders-island-coroner-dismissal/106562466

    So I did a web search for "coronial findings tasmania" and >>>>>>>>>>>> found
    the actual coroner's report that had prompted the article here:

    https://www.magistratescourt.tas.gov.au/coronerscourt/findings/coronialfindings/2026/Investigation-into-the-death-of-David-Stanley-Bailey-Ruling.pdf

    Footnote number 6, on page 3, is of interest:

    "6 A handle of beer is 285mls in volume."

    Just because that fuckwit got that wrong...

    No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle

    Have fun listing anywhere that does

    Furneaux Tavern where David Bailey was served, of course!

    You don't know that you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    The coroner knows it.

    Nope, just ignorantly CLAIMS that

    So if you only believe AI BS,

    There is no bullshit, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    why believe anything else they claim?

    Because I haven't seen AI get anything wrong

    It was the coroner claiming that, same as everything else in the
    article you read.

    Duh, but even google can't find any substantiation of that claim

    So your Artificial Idiot lied about the quantity meantin the >>>>>>>>>>>> exact article that prompted your question!

    More of your mindless bullshit

    Its total quantity would be off by at least 2.52L!

    Wrong, as always

    An intelligent web search on the other hand helps get you the >>>>>>>>>>>> actual answer from the source of the article that prompted your >>>>>>>>>>>> question, instead of that useless AI BS.

    The fuckwit coroner actually got it wrong
    No one serves 285mls of beer in a glass with a handle

    Hillarious!

    Pathetic!!

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something

    You had to ask what a handle of beer is,

    Because I had never heard that term
    used before for a measure of beer.

    The only thing that comes even close is
    a stein or a jug of beer, both of which I
    have heard plenty of times before

    So obviously the brewery

    The brewery says nothing of the sort
    you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    You've clearly forgotten what the brewery said at this point.

    It never says that you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    and coroner know more than you,

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    and as usual the AI doesn't know anything.

    Neither does google you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist

    but now you're denying what a brewery,

    It never says that that term is used in Flinders Island

    and the coroner who first used the phrase,

    And got it wrong and even google proves that

    They used the phrase and defined it,

    With not a shred of evidence that their definition is correct

    nothing on Google's going to prove they meant something else.

    But not a shred of evidence that they got it right

    Where's your AI's shred of evidence they meant 425-450ml instead
    of 285ml like they said?

    Its in the SOURCES, fuckwit

    The SOURCES won't tell you what the coroner was thinking when they
    said that.

    That wasnt about what the coroner meant,
    its what the TAVERN meant when they told
    the coroner how much he had drank

    They clearly said he drank 18 285ml "handles".

    They never said what the volume of the handles is

    So are you the psychic who knows what the coroner was told by the
    tavern and what they decided to make up out of thin air, or do you
    think you've found a psychic AI? Either way any sane person would
    see that your Artificial Idiot was obviously just plain wrong about
    425-450ml.

    both say it means. On the basis of an AI response which doesn't >>>>>>>>>> even say specificially where it got its definition from.

    More of your stupid bare faced lies with the SOURCES

    No evidence which of those it paid attention to, if any.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage

    Well yes, you are a bit.

    Even more pathetic than you usually manage and that's saying something

    And the coroner and stoneandwood doesn't either

    They're trustworthy sources themselves,

    Mindless bullshit with the coroner's claim
    which can't be substantiated anywhere

    Their claim about the meaning of what they said themselves?

    Yep, they just claim that and never say where they got that

    So there was no point to you reading the article that prompted your
    question to the AI, since it was all just repeating the coroner's
    claims anyway.

    It is in fact doing nothing of the sort, you pathetic excuse for a
    bullshit artist

    No doubt you're too lazy to read though the coroner's report and
    see it has all the information that the article used.

    Wrong, as always and it provides no information what
    so ever on where they got that volume claim from and
    even google can't find that either you pathetic excuse
    for a bullshit artist

    Ah, spinning in circles again. A typical Rod Speed response to
    being "done like a dinner".

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