• ?Cognitive surrender? leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, resea

    From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, April 04, 2026 21:51:27
    Subject: ?Cognitive surrender? leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily-willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, April 05, 2026 08:42:31
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily-willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, April 05, 2026 14:25:24
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 5/04/2026 8:59 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily-
    willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists. Usually
    there are several, you can read and assess the source material, instead
    of just getting a summary usually without attribution

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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, April 05, 2026 19:20:37
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 5/04/2026 3:36 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    ˙Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists.

    But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt

    And you're happy to let an "AI" do that for you - very trusting.

    Usually˙˙ there are several, you can read and assess the
    sourcematerial, instead˙˙ of just getting a summary usually without
    attribution

    Any decent AI probides the sources

    None that I've seen.

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  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, April 05, 2026 21:19:19
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    keithr0 wrote:
    On 5/04/2026 8:59 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily-
    willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists. Usually
    there are several, you can read and assess the source material,
    instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution

    Google AI gives the sources

    --
    Linux Mint 22.3


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  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, April 05, 2026 21:20:18
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    ?Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists.

    But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt

    and AI does that to a large extent


    Usually?? there are several, you can read and assess the
    sourcematerial, instead?? of just getting a summary usually without
    attribution

    Any decent AI provides the sources


    --
    Linux Mint 22.3


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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 08:06:40
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    keithr0 wrote:
    On 5/04/2026 8:59 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists. Usually
    there are several, you can read and assess the source material,
    instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution

    Google AI gives the sources

    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources and told
    me a pack of (changing) lies wrapped up in convincing waffle. In
    fact comparing with web search results it was pretty obvious some
    of the info had come from Wikipedia pages that no human would have
    considered relevent, and not showing sources served to hide that.

    You didn't respond to me then, and now I see you just ignored me
    because the information didn't come from one of your Artificial
    Idiots. You are presenting yourself as prime example of someone
    "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs".

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 08:22:54
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists.

    But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt

    and AI does that to a large extent

    Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead. Petzl's
    didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was asking
    it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it
    was useful). What you're doing is exactly what the article is
    talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding
    for yourself. In fact the AI's responses are no more authoritative
    than the authors of random webpages, but it tries to tell you what
    you want to hear, which appears to be all you really care about
    (and definitely all that Rod Speed cares about).

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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 09:47:31
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 6/04/2026 1:55 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-
    scarily- willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    ˙Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists.

    But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt

    and AI does that to a large extent

    Yep, and is a lot less effort than doing that yourself,

    Ideal for the intellectually lazy.

    Usually˙˙ there are several, you can read and assess the
    sourcematerial, instead˙˙ of just getting a summary usually without
    attribution

    Any decent AI provides the sources


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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 09:49:39
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 6/04/2026 8:25 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    keithr0 wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists. Usually
    there are several, you can read and assess the source material,
    instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution

    Google AI gives the sources

    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources

    Depends on how you invoke it, it does with Gemini

    and told˙˙ me a pack of (changing) lies

    You did nothing of the sort

    wrapped up in convincing waffle.

    You did nothing of the sort

    In˙˙ fact comparing with web search results it was pretty obvious some
    of the info had come from Wikipedia pages that no human would have
    considered relevent, and not showing sources served to hide that.

    It does show sources when you invoke it properly

    You didn't respond to me then, and now I see you just ignored me
    because the information didn't come from one of your Artificial
    Idiots.

    More of your mindless bullshit

    You are presenting yourself as prime example of someone
    "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs".

    More of your mindless bullshit

    And you do precisely that with google searches

    Completely different, Google search, just gives pointers to where the information may be.

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  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 10:32:04
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/
    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.
    Just like you do with google
    Google simply points you to places where information exists.
    But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt
    and AI does that to a large extent
    Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead. Petzl's
    didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was asking
    it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it
    was useful). What you're doing is exactly what the article is
    talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding
    for yourself.

    if I can get an answer in seconds to question I want or need answered, I consider that far preferable to endless googling to try to find the
    answer myself. If I have any doubt about the veracity of the AI answer,
    I can always check for myself.

    In fact the AI's responses are no more authoritative
    than the authors of random webpages,

    AI answers are more authoritative than those from authors of random
    webpages since they're based on the research the AI does to answer the
    query.˙ answers from 'random webpages' rely on the knowledge, and/or
    depth of research, of the author and their honesty, and lack of agenda
    or bias.

    but it tries to tell you what
    you want to hear,

    no it doesn't. it will tell you if what you're saying is wrong, or if something is true or not. I find it a very useful and time saving tool
    to answer simple questions. many questions just need confirmation or
    denial, a yes or no answer, or simply stating some fact. however, no
    doubt the accuracy of answers would probably depend on the complexity of
    the question.

    which appears to be all you really care about

    no I want a truthful answer

    (and definitely all that Rod Speed cares about).

    --
    Linux Mint 22.3


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  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 10:52:08
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    keithr0 wrote:
    On 5/04/2026 8:59 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/
    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.
    Just like you do with google
    Google simply points you to places where information exists. Usually
    there are several, you can read and assess the source material,
    instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution
    Google AI gives the sources
    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources and told
    me a pack of (changing) lies wrapped up in convincing waffle. In
    fact comparing with web search results it was pretty obvious some
    of the info had come from Wikipedia pages that no human would have
    considered relevent, and not showing sources served to hide that.

    You didn't respond to me then, and now I see you just ignored me
    because the information didn't come from one of your Artificial
    Idiots. You are presenting yourself as prime example of someone
    "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs".


    I don't know what I did or didn't do. I can't remember. anyhow, bottom
    line, I'm not interested in arguing about AI. you don't want to use it
    that's fine, that's your choice.

    --
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  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 11:38:40
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    Rod Speed wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    keithr0 wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists. Usually
    there are several, you can read and assess the source material,
    instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution

    Google AI gives the sources

    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources

    Depends on how you invoke it, it does with Gemini

    and told?? me a pack of (changing) lies

    You did nothing of the sort

    wrapped up in convincing waffle.

    You did nothing of the sort

    In?? fact comparing with web search results it was pretty obvious some
    of the info had come from Wikipedia pages that no human would have
    considered relevent, and not showing sources served to hide that.

    It does show sources when you invoke it properly

    I just type the question into the url bar and the AI response lists the sources on the right side of the page.
    plus all the normal google responses are below the AI so I get both
    methods at the one time.


    You didn't respond to me then, and now I see you just ignored me
    because the information didn't come from one of your Artificial
    Idiots.

    More of your mindless bullshit

    You are presenting yourself as prime example of someone
    "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs".

    More of your mindless bullshit

    And you do precisely that with google searches


    --
    Linux Mint 22.3


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:28:44
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 6/04/2026 10:32 am, Axel wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/
    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power. >>>>>> ˙ Just like you do with google
    Google simply points you to places where information exists.
    But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt
    and AI does that to a large extent
    Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead. Petzl's
    didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was asking
    it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it
    was useful). What you're doing is exactly what the article is
    talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding
    for yourself.

    if I can get an answer in seconds to question I want or need answered, I consider that far preferable to endless googling to try to find the
    answer myself. If I have any doubt about the veracity of the AI answer,
    I can always check for myself.

    ˙ In fact the AI's responses are no more authoritative
    than the authors of random webpages,

    AI answers are more authoritative than those from authors of random
    webpages since they're based on the research the AI does to answer the query.˙ answers from 'random webpages' rely on the knowledge, and/or
    depth of research, of the author and their honesty, and lack of agenda
    or bias.

    Where do you think that "AI" gets it's answers from? Clue - random webpages

    ˙ but it tries to tell you what
    you want to hear,

    no it doesn't. it will tell you if what you're saying is wrong, or if something is true or not. I find it a very useful and time saving tool
    to answer simple questions. many questions just need confirmation or
    denial, a yes or no answer, or simply stating some fact. however, no
    doubt the accuracy of answers would probably depend on the complexity of
    the question.

    which appears to be all you really care about

    no I want a truthful answer

    (and definitely all that Rod Speed cares about).



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:30:16
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 6/04/2026 10:26 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    keithr0 wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users- >>>>>>>>> scarily-
    willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to >>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and >>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs >>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists. Usually >>>>>> there are several, you can read and assess the source material,
    instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution

    Google AI gives the sources

    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources

    ˙Depends on how you invoke it, it does with Gemini

    and told˙˙ me a pack of (changing) lies

    ˙You did nothing of the sort

    wrapped up in convincing waffle.

    ˙You did nothing of the sort

    In fact comparing with web search results it was pretty obvious some
    of the info had come from Wikipedia pages that no human would have
    considered relevent, and not showing sources served to hide that.
    ˙It does show sources when you invoke it properly

    You didn't respond to me then, and now I see you just ignored me
    because the information didn't come from one of your Artificial
    Idiots.

    ˙More of your mindless bullshit

    You are presenting yourself as prime example of someone
    "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs".

    ˙More of your mindless bullshit

    ˙And you do precisely that with google searches

    Completely different,

    But still "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs"

    Google search, just gives pointersto where the˙˙ information may be.

    That's bullshit too when you have already decided
    that wikipedia is a good efficient source of data on
    lots of thing except for data on people who aren't
    considered important enough to have their own page

    You may think that, I don't.


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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:31:42
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 6/04/2026 10:52 am, Axel wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    keithr0 wrote:
    On 5/04/2026 8:59 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/
    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.
    Just like you do with google
    Google simply points you to places where information exists. Usually
    there are several, you can read and assess the source material,
    instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution
    Google AI gives the sources
    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources and told
    me a pack of (changing) lies wrapped up in convincing waffle. In
    fact comparing with web search results it was pretty obvious some
    of the info had come from Wikipedia pages that no human would have
    considered relevent, and not showing sources served to hide that.

    You didn't respond to me then, and now I see you just ignored me
    because the information didn't come from one of your Artificial
    Idiots. You are presenting yourself as prime example of someone
    "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs".


    I don't know what I did or didn't do. I can't remember. anyhow, bottom
    line, I'm not interested in arguing about AI. you don't want to use it that's fine, that's your choice.

    Cognitive surrender in action.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 14:33:58
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    keithr0 wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 10:32 am, Axel wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>>>>>
    willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/
    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to >>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and >>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs >>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social power. >>>>>>> ˙ Just like you do with google
    Google simply points you to places where information exists.
    But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt
    and AI does that to a large extent
    Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead. Petzl's
    didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was asking
    it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it
    was useful). What you're doing is exactly what the article is
    talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding
    for yourself.

    if I can get an answer in seconds to question I want or need
    answered, I consider that far preferable to endless googling to try
    to find the answer myself. If I have any doubt about the veracity of
    the AI answer, I can always check for myself.

    ˙ In fact the AI's responses are no more authoritative
    than the authors of random webpages,

    AI answers are more authoritative than those from authors of random
    webpages since they're based on the research the AI does to answer
    the query.˙ answers from 'random webpages' rely on the knowledge,
    and/or depth of research, of the author and their honesty, and lack
    of agenda or bias.

    Where do you think that "AI" gets it's answers from? Clue - random
    webpages

    yes but not just one. it creates it's response from multiple sources, so
    it needs to find many websites saying the same thing to know it's giving
    the right answer.


    ˙ but it tries to tell you what
    you want to hear,

    no it doesn't. it will tell you if what you're saying is wrong, or if
    something is true or not. I find it a very useful and time saving
    tool to answer simple questions. many questions just need
    confirmation or denial, a yes or no answer, or simply stating some
    fact. however, no doubt the accuracy of answers would probably depend
    on the complexity of the question.

    which appears to be all you really care about

    no I want a truthful answer

    (and definitely all that Rod Speed cares about).




    --
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  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 14:35:18
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    keithr0 wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 10:52 am, Axel wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    keithr0 wrote:
    On 5/04/2026 8:59 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>>>>
    willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/
    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power. >>>>>> Just like you do with google
    Google simply points you to places where information exists. Usually >>>>> there are several, you can read and assess the source material,
    instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution
    Google AI gives the sources
    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources and told
    me a pack of (changing) lies wrapped up in convincing waffle. In
    fact comparing with web search results it was pretty obvious some
    of the info had come from Wikipedia pages that no human would have
    considered relevent, and not showing sources served to hide that.

    You didn't respond to me then, and now I see you just ignored me
    because the information didn't come from one of your Artificial
    Idiots. You are presenting yourself as prime example of someone
    "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs".


    I don't know what I did or didn't do. I can't remember. anyhow,
    bottom line, I'm not interested in arguing about AI. you don't want
    to use it that's fine, that's your choice.

    Cognitive surrender in action.

    stupid reply evident

    --
    Linux Mint 22.3


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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 21:37:34
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 6/04/2026 3:48 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Axel wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    keithr0 wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users- >>>>>>>>> scarily-
    willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to >>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and >>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs >>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists. Usually >>>>>> there are several, you can read and assess the source material,
    instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution

    Google AI gives the sources

    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources and told
    me a pack of (changing) lies wrapped up in convincing waffle. In
    fact comparing with web search results it was pretty obvious some
    of the info had come from Wikipedia pages that no human would have
    considered relevent, and not showing sources served to hide that.

    You didn't respond to me then, and now I see you just ignored me
    because the information didn't come from one of your Artificial
    Idiots. You are presenting yourself as prime example of someone
    "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs".

    I don't know what I did or didn't do. I can't remember. anyhow,
    bottom line, I'm not interested in arguing about AI. you don't want
    to use it that's fine, that's your choice.

    Cognitive surrender in action.

    More of your mindless bullshit

    Wot a pair of true believers.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 21:38:19
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 6/04/2026 3:45 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    keithr0 wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users- >>>>>>>>>>> scarily-willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories >>>>>>>>>> about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed >>>>>>>>>> their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to >>>>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority >>>>>>>>>> with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and >>>>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs >>>>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists.
    Usually
    there are several, you can read and assess the source material, >>>>>>>> instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution

    Google AI gives the sources

    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources

    ˙Depends on how you invoke it, it does with Gemini

    and told me a pack of (changing) lies

    You did nothing of the sort

    wrapped up in convincing waffle.

    You did nothing of the sort

    In fact comparing with web search results it was pretty obvious some >>>>>> of the info had come from Wikipedia pages that no human would have >>>>>> considered relevent, and not showing sources served to hide that.
    ˙It does show sources when you invoke it properly

    You didn't respond to me then, and now I see you just ignored me
    because the information didn't come from one of your Artificial
    Idiots.

    ˙More of your mindless bullshit

    You are presenting yourself as prime example of someone
    "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs".

    ˙More of your mindless bullshit

    ˙And you do precisely that with google searches

    Completely different,

    ˙But still "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs"

    Google search, just gives pointersto where the˙˙ information may be.

    That's bullshit too when you have already decided
    that wikipedia is a good efficient source of data on
    lots of thing except for data on people who aren't
    considered important enough to have their own page

    You may think that, I don't.

    Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of
    what a terminal fuckwit you have always been

    No answer then roddles.

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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 21:40:03
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 6/04/2026 2:33 pm, Axel wrote:
    keithr0 wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 10:32 am, Axel wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users- >>>>>>>>>> scarily-
    willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/
    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to >>>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and >>>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs >>>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social power. >>>>>>>> ˙ Just like you do with google
    Google simply points you to places where information exists.
    But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt
    and AI does that to a large extent
    Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead. Petzl's
    didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was asking
    it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it
    was useful). What you're doing is exactly what the article is
    talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding
    for yourself.

    if I can get an answer in seconds to question I want or need
    answered, I consider that far preferable to endless googling to try
    to find the answer myself. If I have any doubt about the veracity of
    the AI answer, I can always check for myself.

    ˙ In fact the AI's responses are no more authoritative
    than the authors of random webpages,

    AI answers are more authoritative than those from authors of random
    webpages since they're based on the research the AI does to answer
    the query.˙ answers from 'random webpages' rely on the knowledge,
    and/or depth of research, of the author and their honesty, and lack
    of agenda or bias.

    Where do you think that "AI" gets it's answers from? Clue - random
    webpages

    yes but not just one. it creates it's response from multiple sources, so
    it needs to find many websites saying the same thing to know it's giving
    the right answer.

    you really think so?

    ˙ but it tries to tell you what
    you want to hear,

    no it doesn't. it will tell you if what you're saying is wrong, or if
    something is true or not. I find it a very useful and time saving
    tool to answer simple questions. many questions just need
    confirmation or denial, a yes or no answer, or simply stating some
    fact. however, no doubt the accuracy of answers would probably depend
    on the complexity of the question.

    which appears to be all you really care about

    no I want a truthful answer

    (and definitely all that Rod Speed cares about).






    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 07:53:08
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists.

    But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt

    and AI does that to a large extent

    Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead.

    You are lying about what the AI he quoted actually supplied

    It accurately addressed the question it was asked

    Oh sure, and after "accurately" addressing his question by saying
    "HP, Dell, and Lenovo are increasing Linux adoption" with a whole
    lot of baseless or irrelevent facts, it answered my question
    "accurately" by saying how "HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus are driving
    Windows adoption - specifically Windows 11".

    It's the plainest evidence you can get that the thing just spurts
    useless nonsense with no underlying factual basis or even a firm
    contention. No accuracy involved whatsoever.

    Petzl's didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was
    asking
    it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it
    was useful).

    It was useful because it addressed the question
    asked and it was obvious that the data came from
    the operations that it said were doing what it said
    they were doing with respect to linux and you never
    provided any sources for what you said they had
    been doing all along and you lied about the systems
    that they had actually been doing that with

    Yes I can understand how anyone who thinks in word salad like that
    would be at home talking to an AI.

    What you're doing is exactly what the article is
    talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding
    for yourself.

    You are doing that yourself with google

    Nope, damn obvious when Google (or Duck Duck Go in my case) brings
    up a Wikipedia page about a different musician to the one I was
    asking about. Whereas Gemini/Google AI ripped irrelevent info from
    that page anyway and presented it as an answer to my question which
    was completely wrong, without linking to the source.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 08:18:08
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/
    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power. >>>>>> Just like you do with google
    Google simply points you to places where information exists.
    But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt
    and AI does that to a large extent
    Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead. Petzl's
    didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was asking
    it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it
    was useful). What you're doing is exactly what the article is
    talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding
    for yourself.

    if I can get an answer in seconds to question I want or need answered, I consider that far preferable to endless googling to try to find the
    answer myself. If I have any doubt about the veracity of the AI answer,
    I can always check for myself.

    Well you clearly don't do much checking before posting its BS to
    Usenet so I think you're kidding yourself. Anyway I've said my bit
    about that. Like people have with politics and religion, you've got
    your blind faith in AI and that's that.

    In fact the AI's responses are no more authoritative
    than the authors of random webpages,

    AI answers are more authoritative than those from authors of random
    webpages since they're based on the research the AI does to answer the query.

    AI answers rely on the AI understanding what random webpages are
    actually talking about. AI simply doesn't do that. It just detects
    that they contain a few keywords or links that are statistically
    associated with those in the prompt. Then it seems Google's AI
    loses track, or is so ashamed of itself, that it won't even link
    back to those pages when answering some questions.

    answers from 'random webpages' rely on the knowledge, and/or
    depth of research, of the author and their honesty, and lack of agenda
    or bias.

    Bias or shallow research by a majority of webpages will still give
    you biased and weak AI responses (which might even disregard info
    on a smaller few good webpages). Moreover a lack of knowledge for
    an AI means it doesn't find closely relevent pages at all, yet it
    still assembles nonsense from the irrelevent info it does find.

    but it tries to tell you what
    you want to hear,

    no it doesn't. it will tell you if what you're saying is wrong, or if something is true or not.

    You litterally posted half the evidence, with it telling you PC
    brands are "increasing Linux adoption", then it told me how the
    same brands are "Driving Windows adoption". They can't do both,
    it's just meaningless, foundationless, babble, serving to affirm
    the contention implicit in the question.

    I find it a very useful and time saving tool
    to answer simple questions. many questions just need confirmation or
    denial, a yes or no answer, or simply stating some fact.

    That's your problem.

    however, no
    doubt the accuracy of answers would probably depend on the complexity of
    the question.

    You clearly don't need a complex question to get BS out of it.

    which appears to be all you really care about

    no I want a truthful answer

    Yeah well some people say they get that from God, so what can you
    do?

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 08:36:52
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    keithr0 wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
    offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
    religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
    have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists. Usually
    there are several, you can read and assess the source material,
    instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution

    Google AI gives the sources

    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources

    Depends on how you invoke it, it does with Gemini

    Nope Gemini gave me lots of sources for paintings after
    misinterpreting my question about "Winter Landscape" by Josef Jahn,
    as I posted here earlier. Then when I followed up with more
    specific questions noting "Winter Landscape" was a tracker module
    its answers didn't include any sources anymore and it started
    making things up. Doing a web search with the same prompt brought
    up irrelevent Wikipedia pages which it was clearly pulling info
    from.

    Wikipedia isn't a highly trustworthy source even when the pages
    _are_ relevent, but clearly its content is weighted highly by the
    AI algorithm.

    As I pointed out before, a specific search at The Mod Archive
    brought up the correct information easily, so it was out there on
    the web. Also on the artist's dead website in the Internet Archive.
    But if you trusted Gemini you'd believe its lies instead of finding
    the true info yourself.

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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 15:27:49
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 7/04/2026 3:20 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Axel wrote
    keithr0 wrote
    Axel wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users- >>>>>>>>>>>> scarily-willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories >>>>>>>>>>> about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed >>>>>>>>>>> their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to >>>>>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority >>>>>>>>>>> with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and >>>>>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs >>>>>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social >>>>>>>>>>> power.

    ˙ Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists.
    But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt >>>>>>> and AI does that to a large extent

    Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead. Petzl's
    didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was asking >>>>>> it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it >>>>>> was useful). What you're doing is exactly what the article is
    talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding >>>>>> for yourself.

    if I can get an answer in seconds to question I want or need
    answered, I consider that far preferable to endless googling to try >>>>> to find the answer myself. If I have any doubt about the veracity
    of the AI answer, I can always check for myself.

    In fact the AI's responses are no more authoritative
    than the authors of random webpages,

    AI answers are more authoritative than those from authors of random >>>>> webpages since they're based on the research the AI does to answer
    the query.˙ answers from 'random webpages' rely on the knowledge,
    and/or depth of research, of the author and their honesty, and lack >>>>> of agenda or bias.

    Where do you think that "AI" gets it's answers from? Clue - random
    webpages

    ˙yes but not just one. it creates it's response from multiple
    sources, so it needs to find many websites saying the same thing to
    know it's giving the right answer.

    you really think so?

    We really know so

    Depends on whether you get an accurate answer, or, in the case you
    quoted, an answer at all.

    No way to get accurate answers any other way

    but it tries to tell you what
    you want to hear,

    no it doesn't. it will tell you if what you're saying is wrong, or
    if something is true or not. I find it a very useful and time
    saving tool to answer simple questions. many questions just need
    confirmation or denial, a yes or no answer, or simply stating some
    fact. however, no doubt the accuracy of answers would probably
    depend on the complexity of the question.

    which appears to be all you really care about

    no I want a truthful answer

    (and definitely all that Rod Speed cares about).


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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 15:29:36
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 7/04/2026 3:17 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    keithr0 wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users- >>>>>>>>>>>>> scarily-willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories >>>>>>>>>>>> about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed >>>>>>>>>>>> their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to >>>>>>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived
    authority with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and >>>>>>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs >>>>>>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social >>>>>>>>>>>> power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists. >>>>>>>>>> Usually
    there are several, you can read and assess the source material, >>>>>>>>>> instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution

    Google AI gives the sources

    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources

    ˙Depends on how you invoke it, it does with Gemini

    and told me a pack of (changing) lies

    You did nothing of the sort

    wrapped up in convincing waffle.

    You did nothing of the sort

    In fact comparing with web search results it was pretty obvious >>>>>>>> some
    of the info had come from Wikipedia pages that no human would have >>>>>>>> considered relevent, and not showing sources served to hide that.

    ˙It does show sources when you invoke it properly

    You didn't respond to me then, and now I see you just ignored me >>>>>>>> because the information didn't come from one of your Artificial >>>>>>>> Idiots.

    ˙More of your mindless bullshit

    You are presenting yourself as prime example of someone
    "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs".

    ˙More of your mindless bullshit

    ˙And you do precisely that with google searches

    Completely different,

    ˙But still "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs"

    Google search, just gives pointersto where the˙˙ information may be.

    That's bullshit too when you have already decided
    that wikipedia is a good efficient source of data on
    lots of thing except for data on people who aren't

    considered important enough to have their own page

    You may think that, I don't.

    Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of
    what a terminal fuckwit you have always been

    No answer then roddles.

    More of your mindless bullshit, fuckwit pom

    Q.E.D.

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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 15:31:22
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    On 7/04/2026 3:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Axel wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    keithr0 wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users- >>>>>>>>>>> scarily-willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories >>>>>>>>>> about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed >>>>>>>>>> their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to >>>>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority >>>>>>>>>> with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and >>>>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs >>>>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists.
    Usually
    there are several, you can read and assess the source material, >>>>>>>> instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution

    Google AI gives the sources

    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources and told
    me a pack of (changing) lies wrapped up in convincing waffle. In
    fact comparing with web search results it was pretty obvious some
    of the info had come from Wikipedia pages that no human would have >>>>>> considered relevent, and not showing sources served to hide that.

    You didn't respond to me then, and now I see you just ignored me
    because the information didn't come from one of your Artificial
    Idiots. You are presenting yourself as prime example of someone
    "willing to surrender their cognition to LLMs".

    I don't know what I did or didn't do. I can't remember. anyhow,
    bottom line, I'm not interested in arguing about AI. you don't want >>>>> to use it that's fine, that's your choice.

    Cognitive surrender in action.

    ˙More of your mindless bullshit

    Wot a pair of true believers.

    Wota terminal fuckwit pom

    Once again rod has nothing useful to say.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, April 08, 2026 09:12:25
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    keithr0 wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about >>>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their >>>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to >>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with >>>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and >>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs >>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists. Usually >>>>>> there are several, you can read and assess the source material,
    instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution

    Google AI gives the sources

    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources

    Depends on how you invoke it, it does with Gemini

    Nope

    Yep
    https://g.co/gemini/share/0d063966763e

    Still missing sources for many of its facts. Weirdly the few source
    links which are on that page won't even open for me in Firefox,
    you click and nothing happens, even though they work in my own
    Gemini responses (when it gives me some).

    Gemini gave me lots of sources for paintings after
    misinterpreting my question about "Winter Landscape" by Josef Jahn,
    as I posted here earlier.

    No you didnt

    Yes I did, here: <698590f2@news.ausics.net>

    Then when I followed up with more
    specific questions noting "Winter Landscape" was a tracker module
    its answers didn't include any sources anymore

    So you lied about no sources

    Zero sources in the responses to the questions about the tracker
    module, sources were only in the first response when it uselessly
    talked about paintings.

    and it started making things up.

    More of your lies

    More of your lies

    Here are the key bits again:

    QUESTION:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    what year was the tracker module Winter Landscape by Josef Jahn
    released?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ANSWER:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The tracker module "Winter Landscape" by Josef Jahn was released in
    1996.

    [waffle... waffle... waffle...] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    QUESTION:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    winter landscape by Josef Jahn release year ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ANSWER:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Actually, there appears to be a slight mix-up with the name. The
    famous tracker module titled "Winter Landscape" was actually
    composed by Jogeir Liljedahl, not Josef Jahn.

    It was released in 1995 (specifically around November) as part of
    the Amiga demoscene.

    [waffle... waffle... waffle...] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    As I said before: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The module file itself says:

    Winter Landscape
    (C) 2001 Josef Jahn
    http://www.playspoon.com

    And if you view the author's long-dead website on the Wayback
    Machine it confirms that it was: "written by Josef Jahn 31 December
    2001":
    http://web.archive.org/web/20060130235039/http://www.playspoon.com/awf/index.php?id=137

    The correct info is also on the modern web at The Mod Archive,
    where their news talks about struggling to keep the site online
    against the waves of AI bots recently scraping it to death. Not
    that it did this AI any good apparantly. Searching "winter
    landscape" there quickly brings it up a single correct result:

    https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=171297

    Where you can see "(C) 2001 Josef Jahn" under "Internal Texts". But
    I guess that's above the intelligence of the Artificial Idiot that
    also got other facts in its waffle wrong, and provided no
    references to check with that response. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    But OK let's try again and see what nonsense it's got to waffle
    about now:
    (I guess you need a Google account to make those permanent Gemini
    answer links)

    QUESTION:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    what year was the tracker module Winter Landscape by Josef Jahn
    released?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ANSWER:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The tracker module **"Winter Landscape"** by **Josef Jahn** was
    released in **1996**.

    Josef Jahn is a veteran of the tracker music scene, particularly
    known for his work in the mid-to-late 90s across platforms like the
    Amiga and PC. His tracks often appeared on "mod" archives and were
    featured in various demoscene productions and early internet radio
    playlists.

    ### Release Context

    * **Format:** The track was primarily distributed as a **.mod** or
    **.s3m** module file.

    * **Scene Presence:** Jahn's work from this era is frequently
    characterized by melodic, atmospheric electronic styles. "Winter
    Landscape" is often cited alongside his other popular 1996-1997
    tracks, such as *"The Wolf Inside"* and *"Deep in the Forest"*.

    * **Modern Accessibility:** While originally shared on BBS
    (Bulletin Board Systems) and early file repositories like Aminet or
    The Hornet Archive, the track still surfaces today on
    tracker-focused radio stations (like *Ericade Radio*) that
    specialize in 90s Amiga and PC modules.

    ---

    **Technical Note:** In the tracking community, Josef Jahn is also
    recognized for his contributions beyond music, including his work
    as a developer for tools like the **RF Explorer** Windows client. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    It's back to 1996 for the year, and has lots of new wrong waffle
    about it being in .mod and .s3m formats when it's a .it module, and
    talking about Aminet when it's not an Amiga module, and just a
    general wall of made up nonsense with no sources at all.

    Oh but it does give me one source this time, for this part at the
    end:
    "Technical Note: In the tracking community, Josef Jahn is also
    recognized for his contributions beyond music, including his
    work as a developer for tools like the RF Explorer Windows
    client."
    - cite:
    https://www.scribd.com/document/396728188/RF-Explorer-for-Windows-Release-Notes

    The cite window shows a quote where the only names mentioned are
    here:
    "(thanks users Shaun O'Sullivan and Stewart Andreason)"

    Yeah, great work Gemini, it can't even remember the name it's
    looking for, let alone figure out that RF Explorer has nothing to
    do with "the tracking community" (it's a handheld radio spectrum
    analyser device with a PC interface).

    Besides that, there are still no cites for anything beside its
    "technical note", so you can't so easily tell how irrelevent the
    rest of its info is, including the year I was asking about.

    Doing a web search with the same prompt brought
    up irrelevent Wikipedia pages which it was clearly pulling info
    from.

    So a google search would have failed too

    Indeed, and you can see that it has failed because all the results
    are obviously irrelevent, including the irrelevent Wikipedia page
    for Jogeir Liljedahl which came up in Duck Duck Go's results.
    Therefore you ignore them and search a specific site like The Mod
    Archive and get an accurate answer.

    AI on the other hand covers up the failure by waffling on and on
    with all sorts of semi-accurate facts to try and make the response
    sound relevent when actually it's completely away with the fairies.

    Wikipedia isn't a highly trustworthy source

    Have fun listing anything that is

    The release year stated by the author of a work on their own
    website. Also the text that's part of the work itself.

    even when the pages are_ relevent,

    More of your mindless bullshit

    but clearly its content is weighted highly by the AI algorithm.

    Its actually weighted by who modifys the page

    It doesn't know who modified the page, it can't even figure out
    the name Josef Jahn doesn't match "Shaun O'Sullivan and Stewart
    Andreason".

    As I pointed out before, a specific search at The Mod Archive
    brought up the correct information easily, so it was out there on
    the web. Also on the artist's dead website in the Internet Archive.

    But if you trusted Gemini you'd believe its lies instead of finding
    the true info yourself.

    You don't have to trust, you are free to check the sources it provides,
    just like with a google search, but with far less farting around

    Not when it doesn't provide you any sources! And when it does,
    checking all those and weeding out the junk to tell how much of its
    answer you can believe is more work than just reading one good
    search result from a decent source in the first place.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, April 08, 2026 12:08:04
    Subject: Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Axel <none@not.here> wrote
    keithr0 wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

    https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily- >>>>>>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

    Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories >>>>>>>>>> about
    people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed >>>>>>>>>> their
    satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to >>>>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority >>>>>>>>>> with
    known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and >>>>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs >>>>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

    Just like you do with google

    Google simply points you to places where information exists. >>>>>>>> Usually
    there are several, you can read and assess the source material, >>>>>>>> instead of just getting a summary usually without attribution

    Google AI gives the sources

    I already showed you where it didn't give me any sources

    Depends on how you invoke it, it does with Gemini

    Nope

    Yep
    https://g.co/gemini/share/0d063966763e

    Still missing sources for many of its facts.

    More of your lies

    Weirdly the few source
    links which are on that page won't even open for me in Firefox,
    you click and nothing happens, even though they work in my own
    Gemini responses (when it gives me some).

    Gemini gave me lots of sources for paintings after
    misinterpreting my question about "Winter Landscape" by Josef Jahn,
    as I posted here earlier.

    No you didnt

    Yes I did, here: <698590f2@news.ausics.net>

    That link doesnt work

    It's not a link, it's the message-id of my post in the "Google AI
    is great" thread. You can look it up with some newsreaders if your
    news server supports that.

    Then when I followed up with more
    specific questions noting "Winter Landscape" was a tracker module
    its answers didn't include any sources anymore

    So you lied about no sources

    Zero sources in the responses to the questions about the tracker
    module, sources were only in the first response when it uselessly
    talked about paintings.

    and it started making things up.

    More of your lies

    More of your lies

    Here are the key bits again:

    QUESTION:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    what year was the tracker module Winter Landscape by Josef Jahn
    released?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ANSWER:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The tracker module "Winter Landscape" by Josef Jahn was released in
    1996.

    [waffle... waffle... waffle...]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    QUESTION:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    winter landscape by Josef Jahn release year
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ANSWER:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Actually, there appears to be a slight mix-up with the name. The
    famous tracker module titled "Winter Landscape" was actually
    composed by Jogeir Liljedahl, not Josef Jahn.

    It was released in 1995 (specifically around November) as part of
    the Amiga demoscene.

    [waffle... waffle... waffle...]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    As I said before:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The module file itself says:

    Winter Landscape
    (C) 2001 Josef Jahn
    http://www.playspoon.com

    And if you view the author's long-dead website on the Wayback
    Machine it confirms that it was: "written by Josef Jahn 31 December
    2001":
    http://web.archive.org/web/20060130235039/http://www.playspoon.com/awf/index.php?id=137

    The correct info is also on the modern web at The Mod Archive,
    where their news talks about struggling to keep the site online
    against the waves of AI bots recently scraping it to death. Not
    that it did this AI any good apparantly. Searching "winter
    landscape" there quickly brings it up a single correct result:

    https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=171297

    Where you can see "(C) 2001 Josef Jahn" under "Internal Texts". But
    I guess that's above the intelligence of the Artificial Idiot that
    also got other facts in its waffle wrong, and provided no
    references to check with that response.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    But OK let's try again and see what nonsense it's got to waffle
    about now:
    (I guess you need a Google account to make those permanent Gemini
    answer links)

    QUESTION:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    what year was the tracker module Winter Landscape by Josef Jahn
    released?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ANSWER:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The tracker module **"Winter Landscape"** by **Josef Jahn** was
    released in **1996**.
    Josef Jahn is a veteran of the tracker music scene, particularly
    known for his work in the mid-to-late 90s across platforms like the
    Amiga and PC. His tracks often appeared on "mod" archives and were
    featured in various demoscene productions and early internet radio
    playlists.
    ### Release Context

    * **Format:** The track was primarily distributed as a **.mod** or
    **.s3m** module file.

    * **Scene Presence:** Jahn's work from this era is frequently
    characterized by melodic, atmospheric electronic styles. "Winter
    Landscape" is often cited alongside his other popular 1996-1997
    tracks, such as *"The Wolf Inside"* and *"Deep in the Forest"*.

    * **Modern Accessibility:** While originally shared on BBS
    (Bulletin Board Systems) and early file repositories like Aminet or
    The Hornet Archive, the track still surfaces today on
    tracker-focused radio stations (like *Ericade Radio*) that
    specialize in 90s Amiga and PC modules.
    ---
    **Technical Note:** In the tracking community, Josef Jahn is also
    recognized for his contributions beyond music, including his work
    as a developer for tools like the **RF Explorer** Windows client.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    It's back to 1996 for the year,

    Hardly surprising that it doesnt search the wayback machine yet

    It doesn't need to. It's easily found with a search on The Mod
    Archive where I linked to the page for Winter Landscape, and
    probably other mod sites too.

    Besides if it can't find an answer a useful AI would say that
    instead of making up facts from thin air and trying to sell them
    with more misleading waffle.

    and has lots of new wrong waffle
    about it being in .mod and .s3m formats when it's a .it module, and
    talking about Aminet when it's not an Amiga module, and just a
    general wall of made up nonsense with no sources at all.

    Oh but it does give me one source this time, for this part at the
    end:
    "Technical Note: In the tracking community, Josef Jahn is also
    recognized for his contributions beyond music, including his
    work as a developer for tools like the RF Explorer Windows
    client."
    - cite:
    https://www.scribd.com/document/396728188/RF-Explorer-for-Windows-Release-Notes

    The cite window shows a quote where the only names mentioned are
    here:
    "(thanks users Shaun O'Sullivan and Stewart Andreason)"

    Yeah, great work Gemini, it can't even remember the name it's
    looking for, let alone figure out that RF Explorer has nothing to
    do with "the tracking community" (it's a handheld radio spectrum
    analyser device with a PC interface).

    Besides that, there are still no cites for anything beside its
    "technical note", so you can't so easily tell how irrelevent the
    rest of its info is, including the year I was asking about.

    Doing a web search with the same prompt brought
    up irrelevent Wikipedia pages which it was clearly pulling info
    from.

    So a google search would have failed too

    Indeed, and you can see that it has failed because all the results
    are obviously irrelevent, including the irrelevent Wikipedia page
    for Jogeir Liljedahl which came up in Duck Duck Go's results.
    Therefore you ignore them and search a specific site like The Mod
    Archive and get an accurate answer.

    So your mindless bullshit about googling being
    much better than AI was just that, mindless bullshit

    No you've lost your mind, I never said Googling was better. Like I
    say I don't even use Google for web searches. But you can search
    for specific sites like The Mod Archive and then search on them and
    get real facts instead of some AI BS.

    Since that can be a hassle I tried AI to see if it made it easier
    to find things like that which are harder to search the web for.
    It's worse, it gives you lies instead. Clearly web searches are
    better than that, even when they don't find what you're looking
    for.

    AI on the other hand covers up the failure by waffling on and on
    with all sorts of semi-accurate facts to try and make the response
    sound relevent when actually it's completely away with the fairies.

    Wikipedia isn't a highly trustworthy source

    Have fun listing anything that is

    The release year stated by the author of a work on their own
    website.

    Which doesnt exist anymore

    It exists enough that I can find it and use it as a source that's
    more trustworthy than the AI BS.

    Also the text that's part of the work itself.

    Which is hardly ever available with most questions

    Ha! He gives up. Yes I picked that test question because I knew
    there was a trustworthy answer available, so I'd know if Gemini
    gave me another answer then it was wrong, not me. Using Gemini
    for such things would mean asking questions where I might not be
    able to easily tell if it's started making facts up like that, and
    that's a prime reason not to use it! It's evidence that the AI
    output is untrustworthy and misleading.

    even when the pages are_ relevent,

    More of your mindless bullshit

    but clearly its content is weighted highly by the AI algorithm.

    Its actually weighted by who modifys the page

    It doesn't know who modified the page,

    That is trivial to check if you want to know that

    It's not trivial to check which real-world human it was and whether
    they know what they are writing about.

    it can't even figure out
    the name Josef Jahn doesn't match "Shaun O'Sullivan and Stewart
    Andreason".

    As I pointed out before, a specific search at The Mod Archive
    brought up the correct information easily, so it was out there on
    the web. Also on the artist's dead website in the Internet Archive.

    But if you trusted Gemini you'd believe its lies instead of finding
    the true info yourself.

    You don't have to trust, you are free to check the sources it provides,
    just like with a google search, but with far less farting around

    Not when it doesn't provide you any sources!

    There you go again with your stupid lie about any sources

    There you go again with your stupid lie about Gemini always giving
    sources.

    And when it does,
    checking all those and weeding out the junk to tell how much of its
    answer you can believe is more work than just reading one good
    search result from a decent source in the first place.

    Have fun actually finding that

    Just because you can't figure out how to use a search engine...

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