DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOME
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOMEPerhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOMEPerhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
here's what google AI says..
Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:here's what google AI says..
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOMEPerhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is exactly
the same situation as with the original post.
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:here's what google AI says..
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOMEPerhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is exactly
the same situation as with the original post.
you won't find a link that says "HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus, are ditching Windoze for Linux"
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOME
Perhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
here's what google AI says..
That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is exactly
the same situation as with the original post.
you won't find a link that says "HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus, are ditching
Windoze for Linux"
I didn't think it was a quote. The statement is either completely
made up or based on information from somewhere. In the latter case
I'd like to know where. Your AI babble didn't help with that in the
slightest.
If there's no link then I'll figure it's not true. The "Nomen
Nescio"s who post from Dizum rarely post replies so that was my
expected outcome anyway.
Although I really should give up arguing with you about this since
you're clearly a lost cause, just to show how pointless AI is for
establishing such things one way or another I asked Google Gemini
"How are HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus increasing adoption of
Windows?".
You should have asked "How are HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus increasing adoption of
Linux ?", stupid
And when you do, you get this
https://g.co/gemini/share/6352080327b3
which says nothing about them doing it because Win11 is shit
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOME
Perhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
here's what google AI says..
That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default >>>>>> I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is exactly >>>>>> the same situation as with the original post.
you won't find a link that says "HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus, are ditching >>>>> Windoze for Linux"
I didn't think it was a quote. The statement is either completely
made up or based on information from somewhere. In the latter case
I'd like to know where. Your AI babble didn't help with that in the
slightest.
If there's no link then I'll figure it's not true. The "Nomen
Nescio"s who post from Dizum rarely post replies so that was my
expected outcome anyway.
Although I really should give up arguing with you about this since
you're clearly a lost cause, just to show how pointless AI is for
establishing such things one way or another I asked Google Gemini
"How are HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus increasing adoption of
Windows?".
You should have asked "How are HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus increasing
adoption of
Linux ?", stupid
Woosh.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
Felix already posted his attempt at doing that. My point in
asking the opposite is that AI will give you convincing waffle to
support either argument depending on which way round you ask the
question.
That's not supporting either arguement, its providing
the detail about those two completely different questions
It just strings together relevent snippets of text with
no understanding of whether the end product is an accurate answer
or not, so you don't really get a meaningful answer from it at all.
Yours is mindless bullshit with both questions
Trying to validate a statement with it is therefore completely
pointless.
More of your mindless bullshit. It answered both questions
very well.
And when you do, you get this
https://g.co/gemini/share/6352080327b3
which says nothing about them doing it because Win11 is shit
It also says nothing remotely new
No one said anything about new, but both do give
the evidence available for both questions and do
that with just the one question in both cases.
Your stupid alternative approach doesnt provide
any extra information on both questions
since most of those statements
are about Linux support on the brand's high-end systems which has
been going on for decades.
But does provide more information about what
extra they are doing now, particularly with the
new approach of preinstalling it on the hardware
so you don't have to fart around supporting all
the features of the hardware because they do
that for you
Obviously nothing like them "ditching
Windoze for Linux" any more than a decade ago, but that doesn't
mean it's not true, just that the AI hasn't dug up whatever info
inspired the OP (if they weren't just trolling).
Of course he was just trolling and your approach of not using Ai
doesnt provide anything that supports his pathetic excuse for a troll
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOME
Perhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an >>>>>>>>>> obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
here's what google AI says..
That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default >>>>>>>> I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is exactly >>>>>>>> the same situation as with the original post.
you won't find a link that says "HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus, are
ditching Windoze for Linux"
I didn't think it was a quote. The statement is either completely
made up or based on information from somewhere. In the latter case >>>>>> I'd like to know where. Your AI babble didn't help with that in the >>>>>> slightest.
If there's no link then I'll figure it's not true. The "Nomen
Nescio"s who post from Dizum rarely post replies so that was my
expected outcome anyway.
Although I really should give up arguing with you about this since >>>>>> you're clearly a lost cause, just to show how pointless AI is for
establishing such things one way or another I asked Google Gemini
"How are HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus increasing adoption of
Windows?".
You should have asked "How are HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus increasing >>>>> adoption of Linux ?", stupid
Woosh.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
Felix already posted his attempt at doing that. My point in
asking the opposite is that AI will give you convincing waffle to
support either argument depending on which way round you ask the
question.
That's not supporting either arguement, its providing
the detail about those two completely different questions
Indeed. Felix posted a response about them shifting to Linux,
And that showed that the reason they are doing that has
nothing whatever to do with Win11 being shit and is in
fact due to better margins when they dont have to pay
Microsoft for Win11
my AI response described how they're still trying to attract people
to Windows.
Which is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing
That contradicts Felix's response.
Bullshit it does
I'm saying that posting the AI nonsense was pointless,
Bullshit given it does say why those companys are into
making it easier for those who are happy with linux to
have their new hardware run that
it's making up strategies for those companies
Bullshit is
out of random info
More mindless bullshit from you
instead of linking to where the companieshave described their
strategies themselves.
That isnt available
But that's gone over your head apparantly.
You have never had a fucking clue and can
never bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
It just strings together relevent snippets of text with
no understanding of whether the end product is an accurate answer
or not, so you don't really get a meaningful answer from it at all.
Yours is mindless bullshit with both questions
Trying to validate a statement with it is therefore completely
pointless.
More of your mindless bullshit. It answered both questions
very well.
And when you do, you get this
https://g.co/gemini/share/6352080327b3
which says nothing about them doing it because Win11 is shit
It also says nothing remotely new
No one said anything about new, but both do give
the evidence available for both questions and do
that with just the one question in both cases.
"Ditching Windoze" is obviously new.
They aren't ditching windows, they are JUST making
it easier for those who want to run linux on their new
hardware to do that by allowing them to have it preinstalled
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOME
Perhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an >>>>>>>>>>>> obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
here's what google AI says..
That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by >>>>>>>>>> default
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to >>>>>>>>>> research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is >>>>>>>>>> exactly
the same situation as with the original post.
you won't find a link that says "HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus, are >>>>>>>>> ditching Windoze for Linux"
I didn't think it was a quote. The statement is either completely >>>>>>>> made up or based on information from somewhere. In the latter case >>>>>>>> I'd like to know where. Your AI babble didn't help with that in the >>>>>>>> slightest.
If there's no link then I'll figure it's not true. The "Nomen
Nescio"s who post from Dizum rarely post replies so that was my >>>>>>>> expected outcome anyway.
Although I really should give up arguing with you about this since >>>>>>>> you're clearly a lost cause, just to show how pointless AI is for >>>>>>>> establishing such things one way or another I asked Google Gemini >>>>>>>> "How are HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus increasing adoption of
Windows?".
You should have asked "How are HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus increasing >>>>>>> adoption of Linux ?", stupid
Woosh.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
Felix already posted his attempt at doing that. My point in
asking the opposite is that AI will give you convincing waffle to
support either argument depending on which way round you ask the
question.
That's not supporting either arguement, its providing
the detail about those two completely different questions
Indeed. Felix posted a response about them shifting to Linux,
And that showed that the reason they are doing that has
nothing whatever to do with Win11 being shit and is in
fact due to better margins when they dont have to pay
Microsoft for Win11
my AI response described how they're still trying to attract people
to Windows.
Which is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing
It implies they're not ditching Windows (or "shifting to Linux"),
obviously.
And felix's question does that much more clearly
That contradicts Felix's response.
Bullshit it does
I'm saying that posting the AI nonsense was pointless,
Bullshit given it does say why those companys are into
making it easier for those who are happy with linux to
have their new hardware run that
it's making up strategies for those companies
Bullshit is
out of random info
More mindless bullshit from you
instead of linking to where the companieshave described their
strategies themselves.
That isnt available
But that's gone over your head apparantly.
You have never had a fucking clue and can
never bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
It just strings together relevent snippets of text with
no understanding of whether the end product is an accurate answer
or not, so you don't really get a meaningful answer from it at all.
Yours is mindless bullshit with both questions
Trying to validate a statement with it is therefore completely
pointless.
More of your mindless bullshit. It answered both questions
very well.
And when you do, you get this
https://g.co/gemini/share/6352080327b3
which says nothing about them doing it because Win11 is shit
It also says nothing remotely new
No one said anything about new, but both do give
the evidence available for both questions and do
that with just the one question in both cases.
"Ditching Windoze" is obviously new.
They aren't ditching windows, they are JUST making
it easier for those who want to run linux on their new
hardware to do that by allowing them to have it preinstalled
That's not news,
No one said it was
those brands have all been offering selected
models with Linux pre-installed for decades.
Bullshit they have
It's irrelevent to the claim they're "Ditching Windoze".
Which is what felix's AI responce said, fuckwit
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOME
Perhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
here's what google AI says..
That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by >>>>>>>>>>>> default
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to >>>>>>>>>>>> research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is >>>>>>>>>>>> exactly the same situation as with the original post.
you won't find a link that says "HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus, are >>>>>>>>>>> ditching Windoze for Linux"
I didn't think it was a quote. The statement is either completely >>>>>>>>>> made up or based on information from somewhere. In the latter >>>>>>>>>> case I'd like to know where. Your AI babble didn't help with >>>>>>>>>> that in the slightest.
If there's no link then I'll figure it's not true. The "Nomen >>>>>>>>>> Nescio"s who post from Dizum rarely post replies so that was my >>>>>>>>>> expected outcome anyway.
Although I really should give up arguing with you about this >>>>>>>>>> since
you're clearly a lost cause, just to show how pointless AI is for >>>>>>>>>> establishing such things one way or another I asked Google Gemini >>>>>>>>>> "How are HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus increasing adoption of >>>>>>>>>> Windows?".
You should have asked "How are HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus
increasing adoption of Linux ?", stupid
Woosh.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
Felix already posted his attempt at doing that. My point in
asking the opposite is that AI will give you convincing waffle to >>>>>>>> support either argument depending on which way round you ask the >>>>>>>> question.
That's not supporting either arguement, its providing
the detail about those two completely different questions
Indeed. Felix posted a response about them shifting to Linux,
And that showed that the reason they are doing that has
nothing whatever to do with Win11 being shit and is in
fact due to better margins when they dont have to pay
Microsoft for Win11
my AI response described how they're still trying to attract people >>>>>> to Windows.
Which is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing
It implies they're not ditching Windows (or "shifting to Linux"),
obviously.
And felix's question does that much more clearly
That contradicts Felix's response.
Bullshit it does
I'm saying that posting the AI nonsense was pointless,
Bullshit given it does say why those companys are into
making it easier for those who are happy with linux to
have their new hardware run that
it's making up strategies for those companies
Bullshit it is
out of random info
More mindless bullshit from you
instead of linking to where the companieshave described their
strategies themselves.
That isnt available
But that's gone over your head apparantly.
You have never had a fucking clue and can
never bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
It just strings together relevent snippets of text with
no understanding of whether the end product is an accurate answer >>>>>>>> or not, so you don't really get a meaningful answer from it at all.
Yours is mindless bullshit with both questions
Trying to validate a statement with it is therefore completely >>>>>>>> pointless.
More of your mindless bullshit. It answered both questions
very well.
And when you do, you get this
https://g.co/gemini/share/6352080327b3
which says nothing about them doing it because Win11 is shit
It also says nothing remotely new
No one said anything about new, but both do give
the evidence available for both questions and do
that with just the one question in both cases.
"Ditching Windoze" is obviously new.
They aren't ditching windows, they are JUST making
it easier for those who want to run linux on their new
hardware to do that by allowing them to have it preinstalled
That's not news,
No one said it was
What, so if someone posts that there's been a great fire in London
you'll say you heard about it in school? Obviously the post implies
that it's news.
No one said it was
those brands have all been offering selected
models with Linux pre-installed for decades.
Bullshit they have
Shows what you know.
We'll see...
ASUS sold the EeePC 701 with Linux as the only
pre-installed OS option in 2007, before they later added a Windows
option. HP and Dell also then offered Red Hat and SUSE Linux for
their high end servers and workstation lines like HP's Z series
We aren't discussing high end stuff
and Dell's XPS which your AI answer talked about. Lenovo took over the
Thinkpad line from IBM who first "certified" a Thinkpad model for
SUSE Linux way back in 1998. Although Lenovo have flip-flopped with
offering the Linux option over the years according to Wikipedia:
So your claim is mindless bullshit, as always
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinkpad#Operating_systems
It's irrelevent to the claim they're "Ditching Windoze".
Which is what felix's AI responce said, fuckwit
It said quite the opposite - describing them "shifting" to Linux.
It doesnt say they are shifting, it said they are ADDING
that option for those who prefer it in normal systems
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOME
Perhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
here's what google AI says..
And that did prove that the troll was crap in every respect,
both proving that those operations were not in fact ditching
win11 and had nothing to do with it being shit, much more
effectively than googling both questions would have done
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
those brands have all been offering selected
models with Linux pre-installed for decades.
Bullshit they have
Axel <none@not.here> wrote~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOME
Perhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
here's what google AI says..
Major PC manufacturers including HP, Dell, and Lenovo are increasing
Linux adoption to avoid high Windows licensing fees, forced bloatware,
and restrictive Windows 11 hardware requirements.
So clearly not because Win11 is shit
Starting in 2025/2026, HP plans to ship 40% of consumer laptops with
Linux as the default to improve margins. These companies are
leveraging Linux to offer better performance, security, and lower
costs to consumers.
So clearly not because Win11 is shit
Key Details on the Shift to Linux:
HP's Shift: HP (the second-largest PC manufacturer) will make Linux
the default on 40% of consumer laptops in Q3 2025, with Windows
becoming a $75 premium upgrade. A 2024 pilot found that Linux laptops
sold out rapidly with 81% lower support calls, high customer
satisfaction (4.6 stars), and 127% higher margins.
So clearly not because Win11 is shit
˙Lenovo's Strategy: Lenovo already offers Ubuntu/Fedora on many
ThinkPads, reducing costs by $100?$200 and certifying workstations for
Linux.
So clearly not because Win11 is shit
Dell's Action: Following successful pilot programs, Dell is preparing
to offer Linux on more consumer laptops, with reports suggesting a
coordinated strategy with other manufacturers to avoid Microsoft
retaliation.
So clearly not because Win11 is shit
˙˙˙˙ Reasons for the Move:
Financial Margins: Windows licensing ($52?$68 per unit) and associated
hardware costs for Windows 11 are impacting profitability.
So clearly not because Win11 is shit
Performance: Linux provides better battery life and faster
performance, particularly on older or less expensive hardware.
We aren't discussing older or less expensive hardware.
User Preference: A desire to eliminate ads, bloatware, and data
collection associated with modern Windows.
So clearly not because Win11 is shit
Note: While Linux adoption is growing, it is largely targeted at
specific user bases (developers, budget-conscious consumers) and is
not currently replacing Windows in the enterprise segment, although it
is gaining traction there.
So clearly not because Win11 is shit
jonz <Nothere@oroverthere.com> wrote~~~~~~~~~~
Rod Speed wrote
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOME
Perhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
here's what google AI says..
Major PC manufacturers including HP, Dell, and Lenovo are increasing
Linux adoption to avoid high Windows licensing fees, forced
bloatware, and restrictive Windows 11 hardware requirements.
˙So clearly not because Win11 is shit
Starting in 2025/2026, HP plans to ship 40% of consumer laptops with
Linux as the default to improve margins. These companies are
leveraging Linux to offer better performance, security, and lower
costs to consumers.
˙So clearly not because Win11 is shit
Key Details on the Shift to Linux:
HP's Shift: HP (the second-largest PC manufacturer) will make Linux
the default on 40% of consumer laptops in Q3 2025, with Windows
becoming a $75 premium upgrade. A 2024 pilot found that Linux
laptops sold out rapidly with 81% lower support calls, high customer
satisfaction (4.6 stars), and 127% higher margins.
˙So clearly not because Win11 is shit
˙Lenovo's Strategy: Lenovo already offers Ubuntu/Fedora on many
ThinkPads, reducing costs by $100?$200 and certifying workstations
for Linux.
˙So clearly not because Win11 is shit
Dell's Action: Following successful pilot programs, Dell is
preparing to offer Linux on more consumer laptops, with reports
suggesting a coordinated strategy with other manufacturers to avoid
Microsoft retaliation.
˙So clearly not because Win11 is shit
˙˙˙˙ Reasons for the Move:
Financial Margins: Windows licensing ($52?$68 per unit) and
associated hardware costs for Windows 11 are impacting profitability.
˙So clearly not because Win11 is shit
Performance: Linux provides better battery life and faster
performance, particularly on older or less expensive hardware.
˙We aren't discussing older or less expensive hardware.
User Preference: A desire to eliminate ads, bloatware, and data
collection associated with modern Windows.
˙So clearly not because Win11 is shit
Note: While Linux adoption is growing, it is largely targeted at
specific user bases (developers, budget-conscious consumers) and is
not currently replacing Windows in the enterprise segment, although
it is gaining traction there.
˙So clearly not because Win11 is shit
I`ve been using Win11 for years, with no complaints!.
Me too and it better than all the previous versions
well, one dud upgrade. (easily fixed) <shrug>
I haven't had that either
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
those brands have all been offering selected
models with Linux pre-installed for decades.
˙Bullshit they have
Dell have offered the option of pre-installed Linux for years.
The original troll wasn't just talking about Dell
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
those brands have all been offering selected
models with Linux pre-installed for decades.
˙Bullshit they have
Dell have offered the option of pre-installed Linux for years.
˙The original troll wasn't just talking about Dell
The title of this thread is "HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus ditching Windoze
for Linux", I seem to see Dell in there somewhere.
But are so fucking stupid that you can't even manage to
work out that Dell is nothing even remotely like THOSE
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
those brands have all been offering selected
models with Linux pre-installed for decades.
˙Bullshit they have
Dell have offered the option of pre-installed Linux for years.
˙The original troll wasn't just talking about Dell
The title of this thread is "HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus ditching Windoze
for Linux", I seem to see Dell in there somewhere.
˙But are so fucking stupid that you can't even manage to
work out that Dell is nothing even remotely like THOSE
Nothing like "HP, DELL, Lenovo, Asus", you've gone blind in your old age.
That's not ALL, fuckwit
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
those brands have all been offering selected
models with Linux pre-installed for decades.
˙Bullshit they have
Dell have offered the option of pre-installed Linux for years.
˙The original troll wasn't just talking about Dell
The title of this thread is "HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus ditching
Windoze for Linux", I seem to see Dell in there somewhere.
˙But are so fucking stupid that you can't even manage to
work out that Dell is nothing even remotely like THOSE
Nothing like "HP, DELL, Lenovo, Asus", you've gone blind in your
old˙˙ age.
˙That's not ALL, fuckwit
So you're deaf as well then.
That's not ALL, fuckwit
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
those brands have all been offering selected
models with Linux pre-installed for decades.
˙Bullshit they have
Dell have offered the option of pre-installed Linux for years.
˙The original troll wasn't just talking about Dell
The title of this thread is "HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus ditching
Windoze for Linux", I seem to see Dell in there somewhere.
But are so fucking stupid that you can't even manage to
work out that Dell is nothing even remotely like THOSE
Nothing like "HP, DELL, Lenovo, Asus", you've gone blind in your
old˙˙ age.
˙That's not ALL, fuckwit
So you're deaf as well then.
˙That's not ALL, fuckwit
Immobile too?
What a terminal fuckwit you have always been, pommy fuckwit
On 16 Mar 2026 10:23:52 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote:Linux sales are moving up while Windows is moving down but still baby
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOMEPerhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
here's what google AI says..
That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is exactly
the same situation as with the original post.
steps.
I prefer AI more than Rod Speed rubbish.
Projections for 2026
Analysts forecast 6% global share by late 2026 if trends hold, fueled
A news link here AI will fact check it <https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-this-time-the-data-says-yes-177571.html>
https://tinyurl.com/mvdeucc4
The Year of the Linux Desktop? This Time, the Data Says Yes
On 25 Mar 2026 16:10:43 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:AI can factcheck them looking a Data sources https://share.google/aimode/jft3FIVmrpPcu9ti3
On 16 Mar 2026 10:23:52 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote:Linux sales are moving up while Windows is moving down but still baby
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOMEPerhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
here's what google AI says..
That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is exactly
the same situation as with the original post.
steps.
I prefer AI more than Rod Speed rubbish.
Neither offered a decent link to validate the original claim, though
both talked lots of rubbish.
Projections for 2026
Analysts forecast 6% global share by late 2026 if trends hold, fueled
Which is nothing like what the usage share percentage would be if
HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus ditched their Windows options. Though
if they had chosen to do that now, who knows whether it was after
your unspecified "analysts" came up with that figure, so it's
irrelevent to whether the claim is true or not.
A news link here AI will fact check it
<https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-this-time-the-data-says-yes-177571.html>
https://tinyurl.com/mvdeucc4
The Year of the Linux Desktop? This Time, the Data Says Yes
Why the hell would I want AI to fact check it when the article
itself links to the source? Talk about forgetting how to think for >>yourself... Anyway the stats are about OS usage in the USA a year
ago, not anything to support "HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus ditching
Windoze", just that a small few of their users are probably
choosing to do that.
fact check https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-this-time-the-data-says-yes-177571.html
Answer
According to data cited in the LinuxInsider article, Linux desktop
usage reached a record 5.03% in the U.S. and 4.1% worldwide by June
2025, driven by improved web application support and dissatisfaction
with Windows hardware requirements.
On 16 Mar 2026 10:23:52 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote:Linux sales are moving up while Windows is moving down but still baby
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:here's what google AI says..
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOMEPerhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is exactly
the same situation as with the original post.
steps.
I prefer AI more than Rod Speed rubbish.
Projections for 2026
Analysts forecast 6% global share by late 2026 if trends hold, fueled
by privacy focus, gaming improvements (e.g., Steam Proton), and
enterprise shifts.
While not dominating consumer desktops, it's "the year" for pros
ditching Windows/macOS,
A news link here AI will fact check it <https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-this-time-the-data-says-yes-177571.html>
https://tinyurl.com/mvdeucc4
The Year of the Linux Desktop? This Time, the Data Says Yes
On 25 Mar 2026 16:10:43 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:AI can factcheck them looking a Data sources https://share.google/aimode/jft3FIVmrpPcu9ti3
On 16 Mar 2026 10:23:52 +1000, Computer Nerd KevNeither offered a decent link to validate the original claim, though
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote:Linux sales are moving up while Windows is moving down but still baby
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:here's what google AI says..
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOMEPerhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is exactly
the same situation as with the original post.
steps.
I prefer AI more than Rod Speed rubbish.
both talked lots of rubbish.
Projections for 2026Which is nothing like what the usage share percentage would be if
Analysts forecast 6% global share by late 2026 if trends hold, fueled
HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus ditched their Windows options. Though
if they had chosen to do that now, who knows whether it was after
your unspecified "analysts" came up with that figure, so it's
irrelevent to whether the claim is true or not.
A news link here AI will fact check itWhy the hell would I want AI to fact check it when the article
<https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-this-time-the-data-says-yes-177571.html>
https://tinyurl.com/mvdeucc4
The Year of the Linux Desktop? This Time, the Data Says Yes
itself links to the source? Talk about forgetting how to think for
yourself... Anyway the stats are about OS usage in the USA a year
ago, not anything to support "HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus ditching
Windoze", just that a small few of their users are probably
choosing to do that.
fact check https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-this-time-the-data-says-yes-177571.html
Answer
According to data cited in the LinuxInsider article, Linux desktop
usage reached a record 5.03% in the U.S. and 4.1% worldwide by June
2025, driven by improved web application support and dissatisfaction
with Windows hardware requirements. While this represents a
significant increase, the assertion that the "Year of the Linux
Desktop" has fully arrived is considered part of an ongoing debate
rather than a finalized, universally accepted milestone. For more,
read the full story at LinuxInsider.
On Wed, 25 Mar 2026 18:29:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Well here's what AI KNOWS about Rod Speed https://www.perplexity.ai/search/rod-speed-usenet-troll-iBra.u6iSuy..0dwUJuvhQNot possible to do that with a pathetic excuse for a troll, stupidI prefer AI more than Rod Speed rubbish.Neither offered a decent link to validate the original claim,
But the AI did blow the original stupid troll
completely out of the fucking water, stupid
though both talked lots of rubbish.More of your mindless bullshit with the only
claims made in the original stupid troll
Reputation in Usenet
Rod Speed gained notoriety for posting under multiple names to evade
filters, sparking endless arguments rather than genuine discussion.
While some defend him as merely "argumentative" rather than a
deliberate troll, others call him a "senile sociopath" or "arsehole"
for derailing threads. This aligns with classic Usenet trolling traits
like long, miscontextualized replies that drain productive
conversation.
"The Rod Speed Bot" ask him something like in person https://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOME
Perhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
here's what google AI says..
That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which isexactly >>>> the same situation as with the original post.
Linux sales are moving up while Windows is moving down but still baby
steps.
I prefer AI more than Rod Speed rubbish.
Neither offered a decent link to validate the original claim,
Not possible to do that with a pathetic excuse for a troll, stupid
But the AI did blow the original stupid troll
completely out of the fucking water, stupid
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wroteWhich was exactly what I expected (as I said): No link being
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wroteNot possible to do that with a pathetic excuse for a troll, stupid
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wroteNeither offered a decent link to validate the original claim,
Axel <none@not.here> wroteLinux sales are moving up while Windows is moving down but still baby
Computer Nerd Kev wroteThat's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrotehere's what google AI says..
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOMEPerhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which isexactly
the same situation as with the original post.
steps.
I prefer AI more than Rod Speed rubbish.
confirmation it's just a dumb troll post. I didn't want some
idiotic AI response claiming the same BS with vastly more waffle
and still no facts to verify since there are none in the first
place. Feeding that AI BS at me is just a hindrance to
establishing whether or not the claim is true.
But the AI did blow the original stupid trollYeah, Felix's AI response blew the troll out of the water by
completely out of the fucking water, stupid
out-trolling it with volumes of BS also claiming that the brands
are shifting to Linux when they're not.
Much more effective
trolling than that human troll, but equally inaccurate. As
evidenced by how it claimed they were doing the opposite when I
asked it the opposite question.
In reality the only shifting is being done by a small minority of
individual users. It seems those brands are _not_ now shifting them
one way or the other any different to what they've been doing for
ages, and they certainly aren't trying to ditch Windows altogether,
which would be a massive event.
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wroteWhich was exactly what I expected (as I said): No link being
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wroteNot possible to do that with a pathetic excuse for a troll, stupid
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wroteNeither offered a decent link to validate the original claim,
Axel <none@not.here> wroteLinux sales are moving up while Windows is moving down but still baby >>>>> steps.
Computer Nerd Kev wroteThat's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default >>>>>> I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrotehere's what google AI says..
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOMEPerhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which isexactly >>>>>> the same situation as with the original post.
I prefer AI more than Rod Speed rubbish.
confirmation it's just a dumb troll post. I didn't want some
idiotic AI response claiming the same BS with vastly more waffle
and still no facts to verify since there are none in the first
place. Feeding that AI BS at me is just a hindrance to
establishing whether or not the claim is true.
But the AI did blow the original stupid trollYeah, Felix's AI response blew the troll out of the water by
completely out of the fucking water, stupid
out-trolling it with volumes of BS also claiming that the brands
are shifting to Linux when they're not.
what reply?
Petzl wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 10:23:52 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote:Linux sales are moving up while Windows is moving down but still baby
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:here's what google AI says..
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOMEPerhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is exactly
the same situation as with the original post.
steps.
I prefer AI more than Rod Speed rubbish.
Projections for 2026
Analysts forecast 6% global share by late 2026 if trends hold, fueled
by privacy focus, gaming improvements (e.g., Steam Proton), and
enterprise shifts.
While not dominating consumer desktops, it's "the year" for pros
ditching Windows/macOS,
A news link here AI will fact check it
<https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-
this-time-the-data-says-yes-177571.html>
˙˙˙˙˙˙ https://tinyurl.com/mvdeucc4
The Year of the Linux Desktop? This Time, the Data Says Yes
don't mention AI to Kev. that's akin to showing a cross to a vampire. it will cause him to recoil in horror, lol
On 26/03/2026 7:45 am, Axel wrote:
don't mention AI to Kev. that's akin to showing a cross to a vampire. it"AI" is wrecking the web.
will cause him to recoil in horror, lol
It costs money to run a web site, and site
owners usually rely on advertising to cover their costs. The amount that they can charge for advertising depends on the number of page views.
With "AI", it's scraper visits the site once, steals the information,
and the site gets no views.
It's a vicious circle, the web sites don't get enough revenue to
continue, the "AIs" don't have the information to steal, and get
even worse than they are now.
On 26/03/2026 7:45 am, Axel wrote:
Petzl wrote:"AI" is wrecking the web. It costs money to run a web site, and site
On 16 Mar 2026 10:23:52 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote:Linux sales are moving up while Windows is moving down but still baby
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:That's not a link! I've told you what I think of AI, and by default
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:here's what google AI says..
DATS HOW SHITE WINDOWS11 HAS BECOMEPerhaps, but I can't see those brands doing that except as an
obscure option when purchasing online. Got a link?
I skip anything people post from it because I'll only have to
research myself whether what it says is BS or not. Which is exactly
the same situation as with the original post.
steps.
I prefer AI more than Rod Speed rubbish.
Projections for 2026
Analysts forecast 6% global share by late 2026 if trends hold, fueled
by privacy focus, gaming improvements (e.g., Steam Proton), and
enterprise shifts.
While not dominating consumer desktops, it's "the year" for pros
ditching Windows/macOS,
A news link here AI will fact check it
<https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-
this-time-the-data-says-yes-177571.html>
˙˙˙˙˙˙ https://tinyurl.com/mvdeucc4
The Year of the Linux Desktop? This Time, the Data Says Yes
don't mention AI to Kev. that's akin to showing a cross to a vampire.
it will cause him to recoil in horror, lol
owners usually rely on advertising to cover their costs. The amount
that they can charge for advertising depends on the number of page
views. With "AI", it's scraper visits the site once, steals the
information, and the site gets no views. It's a vicious circle, the
web sites don't get enough revenue to continue, the "AIs" don't have
the information to steal, and get even worse than they are now.
On Fri, 27 Mar 2026 17:22:16 +1000, keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au>
wrote:
Snip
"With "AI", it's scraper visits the site once, steals the"AI" is wrecking the web. It costs money to run a web site, and siteLinux sales are moving up while Windows is moving down but still babydon't mention AI to Kev. that's akin to showing a cross to a vampire. it >>> will cause him to recoil in horror, lol
steps.
I prefer AI more than Rod Speed rubbish.
Projections for 2026
Analysts forecast 6% global share by late 2026 if trends hold, fueled
by privacy focus, gaming improvements (e.g., Steam Proton), and
enterprise shifts.
While not dominating consumer desktops, it's "the year" for pros
ditching Windows/macOS,
A news link here AI will fact check it
<https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-
this-time-the-data-says-yes-177571.html>
˙˙˙˙˙˙ https://tinyurl.com/mvdeucc4
The Year of the Linux Desktop? This Time, the Data Says Yes
owners usually rely on advertising to cover their costs. The amount that
they can charge for advertising depends on the number of page views.
With "AI", it's scraper visits the site once, steals the information,
and the site gets no views. It's a vicious circle, the web sites don't
get enough revenue to continue, the "AIs" don't have the information to
steal, and get even worse than they are now.
information,"
Not sure, all the AI I use do often compare news articles but always
leave a clickable link cite,
They also compare Government subject data links and leace cite links
keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote:
On 26/03/2026 7:45 am, Axel wrote:I agree, although I consider it a separate topic. Posting
don't mention AI to Kev. that's akin to showing a cross to a vampire. it >>> will cause him to recoil in horror, lol"AI" is wrecking the web.
nonsensical AI rubbish to Usenet is wrecking Usenet, which I think
is a more relevent issue to point out here to the people doing it.
Mind you Felix and Petzl seem to have taken that as a challenge to
annoy me by doing it anyway.
So if they keep it up I might just
killfile them
since dealing with trying to decode whether there's
truth in these AI claims is much harder and more distracting than
reading human replies, and it pisses me off more in the end.
It costs money to run a web site, and siteWell no. True the site gets no ad views because the AI doesn't load
owners usually rely on advertising to cover their costs. The amount that
they can charge for advertising depends on the number of page views.
With "AI", it's scraper visits the site once, steals the information,
and the site gets no views.
the ads, but I know for a fact the scrapers don't visit anything
like "once". In fact the problem is they visit at least every minute
or two. "AmazonBot" has been hitting my sites 1-3 times a second for
over a year. Other more abusive crawlers don't say who they are and
use pools of thousands of random IP addresses to send requests from
to avoid blocking. One was hitting one of my sites with millions of
requests a day, fixated on trying endless different strings in a
specific session variable on some dynamically-generated pages. It
was neat to see how litterally one of the cheapest VPSs available
anywhere could take that load, but eventually the number of
simultaneous requests ramped up until it ran out of its 1GB RAM and
I had to take that part of the site down until I worked out a way
of blocking those requests. The requests continued for a few days
in spite of only getting a 503 error response back. Hundreds of
requests per second, which it coped with then since it didn't have
to load the PHP module each time and therefore the memory usage per
request was much less than before.
Another issue is I can't keep Web access logs for long anymore
since they fill up the storage, and I had to add a logrotate rule
to automatically delete those logs early if they start getting too
big.
It's a vicious circle, the web sites don't get enough revenue toWorse for me, since I don't like the major web browsers and use
continue, the "AIs" don't have the information to steal, and get
even worse than they are now.
Dillo or Links for most of my browsing: Websites trying to detect
bots keep blocking me instead. For the first time yesterday even
Wikipedia blocked me from downloading the images on pages with
Dillo, claiming I was a bot. I've had to find alternatives to IMDB
since it now blocks me, and one of those alternatives already
blocked me once, two if you count Wikipedia. Gumtree doesn't even
work for me in Firefox anymore on my usual PC, with them always
redirecting me to an "access denied" page, presumably as a
suspected bot. Weirdly it does work on another Linux PC that I
rarely use, with the same Firefox version. I reported that to
Gumtree about a year ago and they just told me to update the
browser, after I'd already told them the version number, which was
current. The useful web seems to be shrinking by the day thanks to
these Artificial Idiots and website's lazy attempts to block them.
That's not to mention when you do a web search for some topics now
and just get volumes of similar, obviously AI-generated, webpages
in the results. All telling you nothing of value. The only hope is
to spot old forum threads. But I think I already talked/argued
about that here before.
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