• Mitsubishi Plug in Hybrid with a flat 12v battery

    From Daryl@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, July 18, 2026 22:26:02
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only had 6.2v. Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot somewhere"
    at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to start but all I
    heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables attached for a few
    minutes just long enough to put a few volts into the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the car to turn on so they were
    then able to drive in electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these
    types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I think we
    got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic and he
    was completely stumped.


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  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, July 18, 2026 22:41:58


    On 18/7/2026 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only had 6.2v. Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot somewhere"
    at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to start but all I
    heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables attached for a few
    minutes just long enough to put a few volts into the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the car to turn on so they were
    then able to drive in electric mode.

    You're an idiot. The PHEV *engine*, like those in Toyota Hybrids, does
    not use a conventional 12V starter so plugging in the jumper leads did
    SFA more than power up the 12V electronics. In fact the 12V battery is
    called an *auxilliary battery* rather than a *starter battery* for that
    very reason.
    When the car computer decides it's ok to start the engine, independent
    of you pressing the start button, it uses the high voltage main drive
    battery to power the starter/generator which spins the engine up to
    speed. Those clicks you heard were likely solenoids or cantactors to
    initiate the ICE starting.


    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these
    types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I think we
    got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic and he
    was completely stumped.
    What was I saying about training? A mechanic's life is all about
    *continuous training* and has been that way ever since I entered the
    motor trade. Which is likely why you were forced into the cleaning game.

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  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, July 18, 2026 23:50:09
    Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only had
    6.2v.
    Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot
    somewhere" at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to
    start but all I heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables
    attached for a few minutes just long enough to put a few volts into
    the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the car
    to turn on so they were then able to drive in electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these
    types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I think
    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic and
    he was completely stumped.



    no doubt instructions for the procedure would be in the manual. that's
    why you get manuals with cars, so you know how to do things

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  • From Clocky@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 09:38:30
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only had 6.2v. Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot somewhere"
    at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to start but all I
    heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables attached for a few
    minutes just long enough to put a few volts into the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the car to turn on so they were
    then able to drive in electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these
    types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I think we
    got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic and he
    was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting the
    vehicle FFS!



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    proven liar."

    On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
    "He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."


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  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 12:19:27
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic and
    he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting the vehicle FFS!

    From the "expert" who's never so much as sat in one.

    Plastic on the outside. You will *never* live that down :)



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  • From Clocky@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 10:34:08
    On 19/07/2026 10:19 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic
    and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting the
    vehicle FFS!

    From the "expert"

    Well, Dumber, lucky windscreen boy is here to educate you on the fact
    that you don't need to be an expert to read a fucking manual. Section 9
    I believe.





    --
    In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
    Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
    proven liar."

    On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
    "He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."


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  • From Daryl@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 15:26:26
    On 19/7/2026 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic
    and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting the
    vehicle FFS!

    From the "expert" who's never so much as sat in one.

    LOL, so the first thing you do when someone asks you for help is to ask
    them to hand you their owners manual which you then take 10mins reading
    while everyone is standing around scratching their heads?
    I'd like to see that:-)
    That's also assuming that the car actually has a hard copy owners
    manual, many don't, some have a digital version built into the car which
    is going to be difficult to read if the car won't turn on:-)


    Plastic on the outside. You will *never* live that down :)



    In the meantime whilst everyone else is reading owners manuals maybe he
    could read up on how a laminated windscreen is made:-)



    --
    Daryl

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  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 20:00:59
    On 19/07/2026 12:34 pm, Clocky wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:19 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic
    and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting
    the vehicle FFS!

    ˙From the "expert"

    Well, Dumber, lucky windscreen boy is here to educate you on the fact
    that you don't need to be an expert to read a fucking manual. Section 9
    I believe.

    Yeah, we all have access to Google. Stand down, you chest beating child....

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    Regards,
    Noddy.

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  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 20:04:36
    On 19/07/2026 3:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:

    ˙From the "expert" who's never so much as sat in one.

    LOL, so the first thing you do when someone asks you for help is to ask
    them to hand you their owners manual which you then take 10mins reading while everyone is standing around scratching their heads?
    I'd like to see that:-)

    It's about all that dickhead would know to do.

    That's also assuming that the car actually has a hard copy owners
    manual, many don't, some have a digital version built into the car which
    is going to be difficult to read if the car won't turn on:-)

    Yep. My Ranger has a fairly comprehensive manual, but it's an electronic
    one that's built into the display. No battery means no manual.

    Plastic on the outside. You will *never* live that down :)

    In the meantime whilst everyone else is reading owners manuals maybe he could read up on how a laminated windscreen is made:-)

    And even *then* he wouldn't get it. This is the moron who claims he had
    to be "tested for his competency" in order to be granted a license, when
    in reality all he ever had to do was present his trade papers and pay a fee.

    Pretty easy to see why Victoria has never bothered with such a bullshit
    system :)


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    Noddy.

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  • From Daryl@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 20:18:29
    On 19/7/2026 8:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 12:34 pm, Clocky wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:19 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic
    and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting
    the vehicle FFS!

    ˙From the "expert"

    Well, Dumber, lucky windscreen boy is here to educate you on the fact
    that you don't need to be an expert to read a fucking manual. Section
    9 I believe.

    Yeah, we all have access to Google. Stand down, you chest beating child....


    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to find
    the correct section to read?
    Mitsubishi make at least 2 PHEV, the Outlander and the Eclipse Cross,
    one comes with a hard copy manual the other doesn't.


    --
    Daryl

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  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 20:19:55
    On 19/07/2026 8:18 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 12:34 pm, Clocky wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:19 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic >>>>>> and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting
    the vehicle FFS!

    ˙From the "expert"

    Well, Dumber, lucky windscreen boy is here to educate you on the fact
    that you don't need to be an expert to read a fucking manual. Section
    9 I believe.

    Yeah, we all have access to Google. Stand down, you chest beating
    child....


    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to find
    the correct section to read?

    It's probably the same across all Mitsubishi models.

    Mitsubishi make at least 2 PHEV, the Outlander and the Eclipse Cross,
    one comes with a hard copy manual the other doesn't.




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    Noddy.

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  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 20:35:57


    On 19/7/2026 8:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 12:34 pm, Clocky wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:19 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic
    and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting
    the vehicle FFS!

    ˙From the "expert"

    Well, Dumber, lucky windscreen boy is here to educate you on the fact
    that you don't need to be an expert to read a fucking manual. Section
    9 I believe.

    Yeah, we all have access to Google. Stand down, you chest beating child....

    And, boy, do you need it! Be lost without it, hey!

    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


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  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 20:39:15


    On 19/7/2026 8:04 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 3:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:

    ˙From the "expert" who's never so much as sat in one.

    LOL, so the first thing you do when someone asks you for help is to
    ask them to hand you their owners manual which you then take 10mins
    reading while everyone is standing around scratching their heads?
    I'd like to see that:-)

    It's about all that dickhead would know to do.

    That's also assuming that the car actually has a hard copy owners
    manual, many don't, some have a digital version built into the car
    which is going to be difficult to read if the car won't turn on:-)

    Yep. My Ranger has a fairly comprehensive manual, but it's an electronic
    one that's built into the display. No battery means no manual.

    Plastic on the outside. You will *never* live that down :)

    In the meantime whilst everyone else is reading owners manuals maybe
    he could read up on how a laminated windscreen is made:-)

    And even *then* he wouldn't get it. This is the moron who claims he had
    to be "tested for his competency" in order to be granted a license, when
    in reality all he ever had to do was present his trade papers and pay a
    fee.

    You really don't get it, do you. The apprenticeship completion is the
    test of competency. If you have completed an apprenticeship, you are
    granted the licence. >
    Pretty easy to see why Victoria has never bothered with such a bullshit system :)

    It is coming, EVs will be the push factor.

    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


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  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 20:46:41


    On 19/7/2026 8:18 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 12:34 pm, Clocky wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:19 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic >>>>>> and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting
    the vehicle FFS!

    ˙From the "expert"

    Well, Dumber, lucky windscreen boy is here to educate you on the fact
    that you don't need to be an expert to read a fucking manual. Section
    9 I believe.

    Yeah, we all have access to Google. Stand down, you chest beating
    child....


    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to find
    the correct section to read?
    Mitsubishi make at least 2 PHEV, the Outlander and the Eclipse Cross,
    one comes with a hard copy manual the other doesn't.

    It doesn't matter. No real need for a manual to jump the battery on a
    PHEV since they all seem to have battery terminal access points under
    the bonnet these days. Jump started a CLC 180 Kompressor for a friend on Friday, then went for a drive to charge the battery. Didn't need the
    manual - battery is in the boot, the jumper points under the bonnet are clearly marked.

    Which reminds me, I need to recharge my jumper pack.


    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


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  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 20:47:51


    On 19/7/2026 8:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 8:18 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 12:34 pm, Clocky wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:19 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle
    mechanic and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting >>>>>> the vehicle FFS!

    ˙From the "expert"

    Well, Dumber, lucky windscreen boy is here to educate you on the
    fact that you don't need to be an expert to read a fucking manual.
    Section 9 I believe.

    Yeah, we all have access to Google. Stand down, you chest beating
    child....


    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to
    find the correct section to read?

    It's probably the same across all Mitsubishi models.

    It is but, without looking at the manual, the jumper points are likely
    clearly marked.>
    Mitsubishi make at least 2 PHEV, the Outlander and the Eclipse Cross,
    one comes with a hard copy manual the other doesn't.





    --
    Xeno

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    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


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  • From Daryl@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 22:17:11
    On 19/7/2026 8:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 8:18 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 12:34 pm, Clocky wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:19 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle
    mechanic and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting >>>>>> the vehicle FFS!

    ˙From the "expert"

    Well, Dumber, lucky windscreen boy is here to educate you on the
    fact that you don't need to be an expert to read a fucking manual.
    Section 9 I believe.

    Yeah, we all have access to Google. Stand down, you chest beating
    child....


    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to
    find the correct section to read?

    It's probably the same across all Mitsubishi models.

    In this case, an Outlander PHEV its in section 8.13 of the manual and
    its says to just connect the jump cables then turn on the EV system,
    that didn't work until we left them connected long enough to partly
    charge the 12v battery, there was no mention in the manual of doing that
    so reading the manual would not have helped.




    --
    Daryl

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  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 22:28:46
    On 19/07/2026 10:17 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:19 pm, Noddy wrote:

    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to
    find the correct section to read?

    It's probably the same across all Mitsubishi models.

    In this case, an Outlander PHEV its in section 8.13 of the manual and
    its says to just connect the jump cables then turn on the EV system,
    that didn't work until we left them connected long enough to partly
    charge the 12v battery, there was no mention in the manual of doing that
    so reading the manual would not have helped.

    Doesn't sound like it.

    The FLC will have all the answers. Retrospectively of course :)



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    Regards,
    Noddy.

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  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 22:32:43


    On 19/7/2026 10:17 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 8:18 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 12:34 pm, Clocky wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:19 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle
    mechanic and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump
    starting the vehicle FFS!

    ˙From the "expert"

    Well, Dumber, lucky windscreen boy is here to educate you on the
    fact that you don't need to be an expert to read a fucking manual.
    Section 9 I believe.

    Yeah, we all have access to Google. Stand down, you chest beating
    child....


    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to
    find the correct section to read?

    It's probably the same across all Mitsubishi models.

    In this case, an Outlander PHEV its in section 8.13 of the manual and
    its says to just connect the jump cables then turn on the EV system,
    that didn't work until we left them connected long enough to partly
    charge the 12v battery, there was no mention in the manual of doing that
    so reading the manual would not have helped.

    That's a strategy that can be used when jump starting an ordinary ICE
    vehicle. Connect the car, put some juice into the dead flat battery,
    then start the car. Electronic circuits do not like sub par voltages and
    that is what you were dealing with initially. As I noted, that battery
    is not used to *start* the car, just to get the electronic circuits
    fired up. If the voltage is low, you will not get the required ready
    signal and nothing will happen until you do.

    Might I be as bold as to suggest you run along and do the EV course.
    Hey, it will fill a massive gap in your vehicular awareness.


    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


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  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 22:35:28


    On 19/7/2026 10:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:17 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:19 pm, Noddy wrote:

    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to
    find the correct section to read?

    It's probably the same across all Mitsubishi models.

    In this case, an Outlander PHEV its in section 8.13 of the manual and
    its says to just connect the jump cables then turn on the EV system,
    that didn't work until we left them connected long enough to partly
    charge the 12v battery, there was no mention in the manual of doing
    that so reading the manual would not have helped.

    Doesn't sound like it.

    The FLC will have all the answers. Retrospectively of course :)
    Sorry, have already seen the issue *in the field*. Any car with a start
    button can and will be subject to the same issue - battery voltage is
    key. That *you* don't understand this comes as no surprise to me.

    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


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  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 19, 2026 23:11:58


    On 19/7/2026 10:35 pm, Xeno wrote:


    On 19/7/2026 10:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:17 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:19 pm, Noddy wrote:

    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to
    find the correct section to read?

    It's probably the same across all Mitsubishi models.

    In this case, an Outlander PHEV its in section 8.13 of the manual and
    its says to just connect the jump cables then turn on the EV system,
    that didn't work until we left them connected long enough to partly
    charge the 12v battery, there was no mention in the manual of doing
    that so reading the manual would not have helped.

    Doesn't sound like it.

    The FLC will have all the answers. Retrospectively of course :)
    Sorry, have already seen the issue *in the field*. Any car with a start button can and will be subject to the same issue - battery voltage is
    key. That *you* don't understand this comes as no surprise to me.

    Forgot to mention, when the auxilliary battery is well and truly
    flattened, the best advice is to remove the battery and charge it off
    the vehicle. The reason for this procedure is that spikes can easily fry
    the sensitive DC to DC converter, the sort of spikes you will get when connecting a fully charged battery to a dead one with jumper leads. For
    that reason, and the fact that the auxilliary battery is not used to
    operate a starter motor, it is advisable not to jump start a PHEV using
    a heavy duty booster pack or a donor vehicle as you will be creating
    nasty voltage spikes. All you need is a light duty jumper pack capable
    of 50-100 amps like the one I have. What's more, they have voltage spike suppression.


    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Daryl@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 10:00:55
    On 19/7/2026 10:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:17 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:19 pm, Noddy wrote:

    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to
    find the correct section to read?

    It's probably the same across all Mitsubishi models.

    In this case, an Outlander PHEV its in section 8.13 of the manual and
    its says to just connect the jump cables then turn on the EV system,
    that didn't work until we left them connected long enough to partly
    charge the 12v battery, there was no mention in the manual of doing
    that so reading the manual would not have helped.

    Doesn't sound like it.

    The FLC will have all the answers. Retrospectively of course :)



    Of course:-)

    --
    Daryl

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From jonz@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 10:34:53
    On 19-Jul-26 11:11 PM, Xeno wrote:


    On 19/7/2026 10:35 pm, Xeno wrote:


    On 19/7/2026 10:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:17 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:19 pm, Noddy wrote:

    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to >>>>>> find the correct section to read?

    It's probably the same across all Mitsubishi models.

    In this case, an Outlander PHEV its in section 8.13 of the manual
    and its says to just connect the jump cables then turn on the EV
    system, that didn't work until we left them connected long enough to
    partly charge the 12v battery, there was no mention in the manual of
    doing that so reading the manual would not have helped.

    Doesn't sound like it.

    The FLC will have all the answers. Retrospectively of course :)
    Sorry, have already seen the issue *in the field*. Any car with a
    start button can and will be subject to the same issue - battery
    voltage is key. That *you* don't understand this comes as no surprise
    to me.

    Forgot to mention, when the auxilliary battery is well and truly
    flattened, the best advice is to remove the battery and charge it off
    the vehicle. The reason for this procedure is that spikes can easily fry
    the sensitive DC to DC converter, the sort of spikes you will get when connecting a fully charged battery to a dead one with jumper leads. For
    that reason, and the fact that the auxilliary battery is not used to
    operate a starter motor, it is advisable not to jump start a PHEV using
    a heavy duty booster pack or a donor vehicle as you will be creating
    nasty voltage spikes. All you need is a light duty jumper pack capable
    of 50-100 amps like the one I have. What's more, they have voltage spike suppression.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    All the stuff he didn`t know yesterday!.




    --
    Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea--Massive,
    difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it!!!!. Gene Spafford

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 10:42:30
    On 20/07/2026 10:34 am, jonz wrote:
    On 19-Jul-26 11:11 PM, Xeno wrote:

    Forgot to mention, when the auxilliary battery is well and truly
    flattened, the best advice is to remove the battery and charge it off
    the vehicle. The reason for this procedure is that spikes can easily
    fry the sensitive DC to DC converter, the sort of spikes you will get
    when connecting a fully charged battery to a dead one with jumper
    leads. For that reason, and the fact that the auxilliary battery is
    not used to operate a starter motor, it is advisable not to jump start
    a PHEV using a heavy duty booster pack or a donor vehicle as you will
    be creating nasty voltage spikes. All you need is a light duty jumper
    pack capable of 50-100 amps like the one I have. What's more, they
    have voltage spike suppression.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    All the stuff he didn`t know yesterday!.

    Google is his very best friend :)



    --
    --
    --
    Regards,
    Noddy.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 12:27:20


    On 20/7/2026 10:42 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 20/07/2026 10:34 am, jonz wrote:
    On 19-Jul-26 11:11 PM, Xeno wrote:

    Forgot to mention, when the auxilliary battery is well and truly
    flattened, the best advice is to remove the battery and charge it off
    the vehicle. The reason for this procedure is that spikes can easily
    fry the sensitive DC to DC converter, the sort of spikes you will get
    when connecting a fully charged battery to a dead one with jumper
    leads. For that reason, and the fact that the auxilliary battery is
    not used to operate a starter motor, it is advisable not to jump
    start a PHEV using a heavy duty booster pack or a donor vehicle as
    you will be creating nasty voltage spikes. All you need is a light
    duty jumper pack capable of 50-100 amps like the one I have. What's
    more, they have voltage spike suppression.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    All the stuff he didn`t know yesterday!.

    Google is his very best friend :)

    Sorry to disappoint but I knew it when I first started researching to
    buy a hybrid and that was many years back. I even mentioned here that a
    hybrid would be my next car - and it is.



    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Daryl@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 12:33:46
    On 20/7/2026 10:34 am, jonz wrote:
    On 19-Jul-26 11:11 PM, Xeno wrote:


    On 19/7/2026 10:35 pm, Xeno wrote:


    On 19/7/2026 10:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:17 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:19 pm, Noddy wrote:

    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able >>>>>>> to find the correct section to read?

    It's probably the same across all Mitsubishi models.

    In this case, an Outlander PHEV its in section 8.13 of the manual
    and its says to just connect the jump cables then turn on the EV
    system, that didn't work until we left them connected long enough
    to partly charge the 12v battery, there was no mention in the
    manual of doing that so reading the manual would not have helped.

    Doesn't sound like it.

    The FLC will have all the answers. Retrospectively of course :)
    Sorry, have already seen the issue *in the field*. Any car with a
    start button can and will be subject to the same issue - battery
    voltage is key. That *you* don't understand this comes as no surprise
    to me.

    Forgot to mention, when the auxilliary battery is well and truly
    flattened, the best advice is to remove the battery and charge it off
    the vehicle. The reason for this procedure is that spikes can easily
    fry the sensitive DC to DC converter, the sort of spikes you will get
    when connecting a fully charged battery to a dead one with jumper
    leads. For that reason, and the fact that the auxilliary battery is
    not used to operate a starter motor, it is advisable not to jump start
    a PHEV using a heavy duty booster pack or a donor vehicle as you will
    be creating nasty voltage spikes. All you need is a light duty jumper
    pack capable of 50-100 amps like the one I have. What's more, they
    have voltage spike suppression.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    All the stuff he didn`t know yesterday!.




    LOL, difference is I got the car going, he just Googles it then claims
    to know all about it.

    --
    Daryl

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Clocky@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 10:44:13
    On 19/07/2026 6:35 pm, Xeno wrote:


    On 19/7/2026 8:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 12:34 pm, Clocky wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:19 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic >>>>>> and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting
    the vehicle FFS!

    ˙From the "expert"

    Well, Dumber, lucky windscreen boy is here to educate you on the fact
    that you don't need to be an expert to read a fucking manual. Section
    9 I believe.

    Yeah, we all have access to Google. Stand down, you chest beating
    child....

    And, boy, do you need it! Be lost without it, hey!


    Dumber fails to comprehend most of what he Googles anyway, we have seen
    that all too often in here. You'll note that Dumb didn't use either
    resource to reference jump starting that vehicle just like how neither
    Dumb or Dumber used the manual or Google to identify the correct lifting points on that Elise they nearly dropped off the hoist.





    --
    In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
    Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
    proven liar."

    On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
    "He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Clocky@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 10:52:13
    On 19/07/2026 6:18 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 12:34 pm, Clocky wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:19 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic >>>>>> and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting
    the vehicle FFS!

    ˙From the "expert"

    Well, Dumber, lucky windscreen boy is here to educate you on the fact
    that you don't need to be an expert to read a fucking manual. Section
    9 I believe.

    Yeah, we all have access to Google. Stand down, you chest beating
    child....


    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to find
    the correct section to read?

    Right car, almost the right section.

    Gee, I outsmarted Dumb and Dumber... trust me, that's the default for
    most people - I'm not special in that regard.




    --
    In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
    Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
    proven liar."

    On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
    "He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 13:01:03
    Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 10:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:17 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:19 pm, Noddy wrote:

    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able to
    find the correct section to read?

    It's probably the same across all Mitsubishi models.

    In this case, an Outlander PHEV its in section 8.13 of the manual
    and its says to just connect the jump cables then turn on the EV
    system, that didn't work until we left them connected long enough to
    partly charge the 12v battery, there was no mention in the manual of
    doing that so reading the manual would not have helped.

    Doesn't sound like it.

    The FLC will have all the answers. Retrospectively of course :)



    Of course:-)


    we always have all the right answers, and the facts˙ :)

    --
    Linux Mint 22.3
    "Your biggest enemy is yourself with the sheer volume
    of lies and bullshit you post"- clocky re noddy


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 13:05:54
    Xeno wrote:


    On 20/7/2026 10:42 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 20/07/2026 10:34 am, jonz wrote:
    On 19-Jul-26 11:11 PM, Xeno wrote:

    Forgot to mention, when the auxilliary battery is well and truly
    flattened, the best advice is to remove the battery and charge it
    off the vehicle. The reason for this procedure is that spikes can
    easily fry the sensitive DC to DC converter, the sort of spikes you
    will get when connecting a fully charged battery to a dead one with
    jumper leads. For that reason, and the fact that the auxilliary
    battery is not used to operate a starter motor, it is advisable not
    to jump start a PHEV using a heavy duty booster pack or a donor
    vehicle as you will be creating nasty voltage spikes. All you need
    is a light duty jumper pack capable of 50-100 amps like the one I
    have. What's more, they have voltage spike suppression.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    All the stuff he didn`t know yesterday!.

    Google is his very best friend :)

    Sorry to disappoint but I knew it when I first started researching to
    buy a hybrid and that was many years back. I even mentioned here that
    a hybrid would be my next car - and it is.




    at my age the MG ZS may very well be my last car :( but I hope not

    --
    Linux Mint 22.3
    "Your biggest enemy is yourself with the sheer volume
    of lies and bullshit you post"- clocky re noddy


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 13:15:23
    On 20/7/2026 12:33 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 20/7/2026 10:34 am, jonz wrote:
    On 19-Jul-26 11:11 PM, Xeno wrote:


    On 19/7/2026 10:35 pm, Xeno wrote:


    On 19/7/2026 10:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:17 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 19/7/2026 8:19 pm, Noddy wrote:

    Since I didn't mention the exact model I wonder how he was able >>>>>>>> to find the correct section to read?

    It's probably the same across all Mitsubishi models.

    In this case, an Outlander PHEV its in section 8.13 of the manual >>>>>> and its says to just connect the jump cables then turn on the EV
    system, that didn't work until we left them connected long enough >>>>>> to partly charge the 12v battery, there was no mention in the
    manual of doing that so reading the manual would not have helped.

    Doesn't sound like it.

    The FLC will have all the answers. Retrospectively of course :)
    Sorry, have already seen the issue *in the field*. Any car with a
    start button can and will be subject to the same issue - battery
    voltage is key. That *you* don't understand this comes as no
    surprise to me.

    Forgot to mention, when the auxilliary battery is well and truly
    flattened, the best advice is to remove the battery and charge it off
    the vehicle. The reason for this procedure is that spikes can easily
    fry the sensitive DC to DC converter, the sort of spikes you will get
    when connecting a fully charged battery to a dead one with jumper
    leads. For that reason, and the fact that the auxilliary battery is
    not used to operate a starter motor, it is advisable not to jump
    start a PHEV using a heavy duty booster pack or a donor vehicle as
    you will be creating nasty voltage spikes. All you need is a light
    duty jumper pack capable of 50-100 amps like the one I have. What's
    more, they have voltage spike suppression.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    All the stuff he didn`t know yesterday!.




    LOL, difference is I got the car going, he just Googles it then claims
    to know all about it.

    I did the homework on how hybrids work a very long time ago. You
    obviously had no clue.



    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 13:17:20


    On 20/7/2026 12:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 6:35 pm, Xeno wrote:


    On 19/7/2026 8:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 12:34 pm, Clocky wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 10:19 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 19/07/2026 11:38 am, Clocky wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 8:26 pm, Daryl wrote:

    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle
    mechanic and he was completely stumped.



    Are you completely retarded?
    Read the fucking manual, there is a whole section on jump starting >>>>>> the vehicle FFS!

    ˙From the "expert"

    Well, Dumber, lucky windscreen boy is here to educate you on the
    fact that you don't need to be an expert to read a fucking manual.
    Section 9 I believe.

    Yeah, we all have access to Google. Stand down, you chest beating
    child....

    And, boy, do you need it! Be lost without it, hey!


    Dumber fails to comprehend most of what he Googles anyway, we have seen
    that all too often in here. You'll note that Dumb didn't use either
    resource to reference jump starting that vehicle just like how neither
    Dumb or Dumber used the manual or Google to identify the correct lifting points on that Elise they nearly dropped off the hoist.

    What gets me is that Daryl claims to have done an apprenticeship. It's certainly not looking like it.


    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 18:01:21
    On 20/07/2026 12:33 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 20/7/2026 10:34 am, jonz wrote:

    Forgot to mention, when the auxilliary battery is well and truly
    flattened, the best advice is to remove the battery and charge it off
    the vehicle. The reason for this procedure is that spikes can easily
    fry the sensitive DC to DC converter, the sort of spikes you will get
    when connecting a fully charged battery to a dead one with jumper
    leads. For that reason, and the fact that the auxilliary battery is
    not used to operate a starter motor, it is advisable not to jump
    start a PHEV using a heavy duty booster pack or a donor vehicle as
    you will be creating nasty voltage spikes. All you need is a light
    duty jumper pack capable of 50-100 amps like the one I have. What's
    more, they have voltage spike suppression.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    All the stuff he didn`t know yesterday!.




    LOL, difference is I got the car going, he just Googles it then claims
    to know all about it.

    Yep. His standard practice that he's been doing since he first blew in
    here as Krypsis.



    --
    --
    --
    Regards,
    Noddy.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 18:02:49
    On 20/07/2026 1:01 pm, Axel wrote:
    Daryl wrote:

    The FLC will have all the answers. Retrospectively of course :)



    Of course:-)


    we always have all the right answers, and the facts˙ :)

    Give it a rest, will you Felix? Everyone knows that you don't make a
    comment unless the mental case sticks his hand up your arse and makes
    your lips move.



    --
    --
    --
    Regards,
    Noddy.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 18:09:52


    On 20/7/2026 6:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 20/07/2026 1:01 pm, Axel wrote:
    Daryl wrote:

    The FLC will have all the answers. Retrospectively of course :)



    Of course:-)


    we always have all the right answers, and the facts˙ :)

    Give it a rest, will you Felix? Everyone knows that you don't make a
    comment unless the mental case sticks his hand up your arse and makes
    your lips move.

    Do you ever get embarrassed by your anal fetish?? I thought not!

    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 19:46:36
    Xeno wrote:


    On 20/7/2026 6:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 20/07/2026 1:01 pm, Axel wrote:
    Daryl wrote:

    The FLC will have all the answers. Retrospectively of course :)



    Of course:-)


    we always have all the right answers, and the facts˙ :)

    Give it a rest, will you Felix? Everyone knows that you don't make a
    comment unless the mental case sticks his hand up your arse and makes
    your lips move.

    Do you ever get embarrassed by your anal fetish?? I thought not!


    he doesn't get embarrassed by anything because he's too dumb to realize
    he should be ashamed of much of what he posts here

    --
    Linux Mint 22.3
    "Your biggest enemy is yourself with the sheer volume
    of lies and bullshit you post"- clocky re noddy


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 19:51:22


    On 20/7/2026 7:46 pm, Axel wrote:
    Xeno wrote:


    On 20/7/2026 6:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 20/07/2026 1:01 pm, Axel wrote:
    Daryl wrote:

    The FLC will have all the answers. Retrospectively of course :)



    Of course:-)


    we always have all the right answers, and the facts˙ :)

    Give it a rest, will you Felix? Everyone knows that you don't make a
    comment unless the mental case sticks his hand up your arse and makes
    your lips move.

    Do you ever get embarrassed by your anal fetish?? I thought not!


    he doesn't get embarrassed by anything because he's too dumb to realize
    he should be ashamed of much of what he posts here

    Good point!

    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 20, 2026 20:08:16


    On 20/7/2026 6:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 20/07/2026 12:33 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 20/7/2026 10:34 am, jonz wrote:

    Forgot to mention, when the auxilliary battery is well and truly
    flattened, the best advice is to remove the battery and charge it
    off the vehicle. The reason for this procedure is that spikes can
    easily fry the sensitive DC to DC converter, the sort of spikes you
    will get when connecting a fully charged battery to a dead one with
    jumper leads. For that reason, and the fact that the auxilliary
    battery is not used to operate a starter motor, it is advisable not
    to jump start a PHEV using a heavy duty booster pack or a donor
    vehicle as you will be creating nasty voltage spikes. All you need
    is a light duty jumper pack capable of 50-100 amps like the one I
    have. What's more, they have voltage spike suppression.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    All the stuff he didn`t know yesterday!.




    LOL, difference is I got the car going, he just Googles it then claims
    to know all about it.

    Getting a car going that has a flat battery isn't exactly rocket
    science. Any mug can do it and Daryl's the proof. The difference is in
    the precautions one takes and the procedures one follows.>
    Yep. His standard practice that he's been doing since he first blew in
    here as Krypsis.

    Your problem here is that I *own* a hybrid and have *experience* with
    them, something you lot can but dream about.

    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 21, 2026 17:23:36
    On 18/07/2026 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only had 6.2v. Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot somewhere"
    at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to start but all I
    heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables attached for a few
    minutes just long enough to put a few volts into the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the car to turn on so they were
    then able to drive in electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these
    types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I think we
    got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic and he
    was completely stumped.


    Just be glad it wasn't a Tesla

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKwMryKqRE&t=8s

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Daryl@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 21, 2026 18:12:43
    On 21/7/2026 5:23 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only had
    6.2v.
    Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot
    somewhere" at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to
    start but all I heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables
    attached for a few minutes just long enough to put a few volts into
    the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the car
    to turn on so they were then able to drive in electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these
    types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I think
    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic and
    he was completely stumped.


    Just be glad it wasn't a Tesla

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKwMryKqRE&t=8s


    That's what happens when cars are made by people who make video games
    instead of cars, they have no idea that they might need to be fixed one day.
    At least the Mitsubishi had jump connectors that were easily accessible.

    --
    Daryl

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 21, 2026 08:43:42
    Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:
    On 21/7/2026 5:23 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only had
    6.2v.
    Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot
    somewhere" at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to
    start but all I heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables
    attached for a few minutes just long enough to put a few volts into
    the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the car
    to turn on so they were then able to drive in electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these
    types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I think
    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic and
    he was completely stumped.


    Just be glad it wasn't a Tesla

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKwMryKqRE&t=8s


    That's what happens when cars are made by people who make video games instead of cars, they have no idea that they might need to be fixed one day. At least the Mitsubishi had jump connectors that were easily accessible.

    Tesla model S has externally accessible jump connectors.


    --
    Xeno

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 21, 2026 18:54:53
    Keithr0 wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only had
    6.2v.
    Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot
    somewhere" at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to
    start but all I heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables
    attached for a few minutes just long enough to put a few volts into
    the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the
    car to turn on so they were then able to drive in electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these
    types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I think
    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic
    and he was completely stumped.


    Just be glad it wasn't a Tesla

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKwMryKqRE&t=8s

    what a brilliantly designed car- not!

    --
    Linux Mint 22.3
    "Your biggest enemy is yourself with the sheer volume
    of lies and bullshit you post"- clocky re noddy


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 21, 2026 19:16:32


    On 21/7/2026 6:54 pm, Axel wrote:
    Keithr0 wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only had
    6.2v.
    Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot
    somewhere" at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to
    start but all I heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables
    attached for a few minutes just long enough to put a few volts into
    the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the
    car to turn on so they were then able to drive in electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these
    types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I think
    we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle mechanic
    and he was completely stumped.


    Just be glad it wasn't a Tesla

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKwMryKqRE&t=8s

    what a brilliantly designed car- not!

    Early model S was so much easier, just pop the nose cone off. Retrograde
    step this is. But it is still *externally accessible - frunk release anyway.

    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 21, 2026 20:40:10
    On 21/07/2026 7:16 pm, Xeno wrote:


    On 21/7/2026 6:54 pm, Axel wrote:
    Keithr0 wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only
    had 6.2v.
    Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot
    somewhere" at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to
    start but all I heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables
    attached for a few minutes just long enough to put a few volts into
    the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the
    car to turn on so they were then able to drive in electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these
    types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I
    think we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle
    mechanic and he was completely stumped.


    Just be glad it wasn't a Tesla

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKwMryKqRE&t=8s

    what a brilliantly designed car- not!

    Early model S was so much easier, just pop the nose cone off. Retrograde step this is. But it is still *externally accessible - frunk release
    anyway.

    Surely, in Australia, it's the foot not the frunk.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 21, 2026 21:52:57
    Xeno wrote:


    On 21/7/2026 6:54 pm, Axel wrote:
    Keithr0 wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only
    had 6.2v.
    Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot
    somewhere" at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to
    start but all I heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables
    attached for a few minutes just long enough to put a few volts into
    the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the
    car to turn on so they were then able to drive in electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these
    types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I
    think we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle
    mechanic and he was completely stumped.


    Just be glad it wasn't a Tesla

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKwMryKqRE&t=8s

    what a brilliantly designed car- not!

    Early model S was so much easier, just pop the nose cone off.
    Retrograde step this is. But it is still *externally accessible -
    frunk release anyway.


    all that was needed to avoid dismantling half the car was a socket to
    plug in a battery charger, and they didn't bother to install one

    --
    Linux Mint 22.3
    "Your biggest enemy is yourself with the sheer volume
    of lies and bullshit you post"- clocky re noddy


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 21, 2026 22:05:14


    On 21/7/2026 9:52 pm, Axel wrote:
    Xeno wrote:


    On 21/7/2026 6:54 pm, Axel wrote:
    Keithr0 wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only
    had 6.2v.
    Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot
    somewhere" at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to
    start but all I heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables
    attached for a few minutes just long enough to put a few volts into >>>>> the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the
    car to turn on so they were then able to drive in electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these >>>>> types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I
    think we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle
    mechanic and he was completely stumped.


    Just be glad it wasn't a Tesla

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKwMryKqRE&t=8s

    what a brilliantly designed car- not!

    Early model S was so much easier, just pop the nose cone off.
    Retrograde step this is. But it is still *externally accessible -
    frunk release anyway.


    all that was needed to avoid dismantling half the car was a socket to
    plug in a battery charger, and they didn't bother to install one

    My Toyota doesn't have one either. What's more, the battery is in the
    boot. Can't unlock the boot. But!... the fob has a mechanical key,
    remove it and open the door and then release/open the bonnet. From under
    the bonnet I can access the marked jumper terminal and put some oomph
    into the 12V system. Then I can get into the boot and access the battery
    if need be.
    In fact the above is the exact same procedure I followed with the Benz I
    got going the other day.


    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Daryl@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 21, 2026 22:17:18
    On 21/7/2026 8:40 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
    On 21/07/2026 7:16 pm, Xeno wrote:


    On 21/7/2026 6:54 pm, Axel wrote:
    Keithr0 wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only
    had 6.2v.
    Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump"
    terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot
    somewhere" at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to
    start but all I heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables
    attached for a few minutes just long enough to put a few volts into >>>>> the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just enabled the
    car to turn on so they were then able to drive in electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by these >>>>> types of vehicles because very few people know how they work, I
    think we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a motorcycle
    mechanic and he was completely stumped.


    Just be glad it wasn't a Tesla

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKwMryKqRE&t=8s

    what a brilliantly designed car- not!

    Early model S was so much easier, just pop the nose cone off.
    Retrograde step this is. But it is still *externally accessible -
    frunk release anyway.

    Surely, in Australia, it's the foot not the frunk.


    Good question, my Boxster has a front "boot" and after owning it for 4
    yrs I still don't know whats the best name for it, AFAIK Porsche call it "front luggage compartment".
    The Boxster also has front and rear luggage compartment emergency
    releases for when the electric release fails, easy enough to find if you
    know where they are.

    --
    Daryl

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 21, 2026 22:37:23


    On 21/7/2026 10:17 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 21/7/2026 8:40 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
    On 21/07/2026 7:16 pm, Xeno wrote:


    On 21/7/2026 6:54 pm, Axel wrote:
    Keithr0 wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 10:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
    I was asked to help "jump start" the Hybrid, the 12v battery only >>>>>> had 6.2v.
    Attached the jump leads to another cars and to the hybrids "jump" >>>>>> terminals under the bonnet (battery inaccessible in the boot
    somewhere" at first nothing happened, I expected the IC engine to >>>>>> start but all I heard was a few clicks, we left the jump cables
    attached for a few minutes just long enough to put a few volts
    into the battery, instead of starting the IC engine it just
    enabled the car to turn on so they were then able to drive in
    electric mode.
    I think that a lot of people are going to be left stranded by
    these types of vehicles because very few people know how they
    work, I think we got it going mostly by luck, the owner is a
    motorcycle mechanic and he was completely stumped.


    Just be glad it wasn't a Tesla

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKwMryKqRE&t=8s

    what a brilliantly designed car- not!

    Early model S was so much easier, just pop the nose cone off.
    Retrograde step this is. But it is still *externally accessible -
    frunk release anyway.

    Surely, in Australia, it's the foot not the frunk.


    Good question, my Boxster has a front "boot" and after owning it for 4
    yrs I still don't know whats the best name for it, AFAIK Porsche call it "front luggage compartment".
    The Boxster also has front and rear luggage compartment emergency
    releases for when the electric release fails, easy enough to find if you know where they are.

    Finding out/learning where they are is what *owner's manuals* are for!


    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.18
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)