• Re: the fuel crisis

    From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 22:24:53
    On 6/04/2026 10:23 pm, lindsay wrote:
    On 4/04/2026 10:42 pm, Xeno wrote:
    On 4/4/2026 10:28 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 4/04/2026 8:36 pm, Xeno wrote:
    On 4/4/2026 7:40 pm, Mr Jesse James Bruce wrote:

    <loads of crap snip in the interests of sanity>

    The Natural Gas we do grow in Australia and if i am not mistaken it is >>>>
    We don't *grow* natural gas. We *mine* it. As with most mines, once
    the *product* has been extracted and used, it's gone for all time.

    We don't mine it either, just drill for it.

    Ah, we do indeed mine for it. I worked in a tin mine, drilling was
    involved. I worked in an iron ore mine, drilling was involved. I
    worked in a nickel mine, drilling was involved. Not to mention
    exploration drilling. That occurs in mining for solids, liquids or gases.


    Oil extraction is broadly considered a form of mining, specifically
    falling under the category of *non-renewable resource extraction*. It
    is classified under the "mining and petroleum extraction" industry, as
    it involves removing valuable naturally occurring materials from the
    earth, including petroleum, natural gas, and oil shale, using
    industrial methods.
    Wikipedia

    Mining covers the extraction of any non-renewable material, including
    oil and gas, that cannot be grown or produced in a lab.
    Government and industrial classifications, such as those on
    business.gov.au, group oil and gas extraction within the broader
    mining industry.
    The extraction process often involves drilling deep into the Earth to
    access oil and gas reservoirs, similar to conventional mining for
    solid resources.
    Oil and gas projects often fall under similar regulations, licenses,
    and leasing structures as mining operations, as detailed on the NSW
    Resources site.
    Oil extraction can include drilling, fracking, and processing from
    materials like tar sands.

    https://business.gov.au/planning/industry-information/mining-industry
    The mining industry includes businesses engaged in:
    coal mining
    oil and gas extraction
    metal ore mining
    non-metallic mineral mining and quarrying
    exploration and other mining support services.


    So, you were saying...


    dont forget your homework. Class dissmissed.

    ROTFL :)



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  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 22:36:30
    On 6/4/2026 10:04 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 9:04 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 6/4/2026 7:56 pm, Noddy wrote:


    I would think if anyone wants your house they'll want it regardless :)


    Some buyers who seem to have more money than sense sometimes pay well
    over normal price for a property if they want it badly enough.
    About 8 yrs ago a mate answered a knock on his front door one Sunday
    afternoon, it was a Indian real estate agent asking if he wanted to
    sell his house, he had been thinking about it but he hadn't planned to
    do anything for another couple of years.
    He let the agent in and to cut a long story short he gave them a
    valuation approx $150k more than he thought the place was worth, he
    was skeptical so he signed a no sell no fee contract.
    It sold within 2 weeks for the high price to a developer whose plan
    was to demolish the house and build units, he also bought several
    other similar properties in the same street, all with large block
    sizes just under 3000 sq mtrs.

    There's been a very big change in the scenery around here in the last
    few months, with the Merrimu Precinct Structure Plan in it's final
    stages of development:

    https://vpa.vic.gov.au/project/merrimu/

    Basically all the farm land around me has been sold to developers
    opening up a development area that is roughly twice the size of the Melbourne CBD at 1200 hectares. The plan is for roughly 8 thousand new dwellings, with public and private schools, community centres, shopping districts, public transport, new roads, the lot.

    Planning is in the final stages now, and works are expected to commence either late this or early next year with the full roll out expect to
    take place over the next ten years.

    Needless to say, things are going to get busy around here :)

    One of the parts of the proposal is that interesting is that the
    existing populated area where I am has been earmarked as a "Density Investigation Area" which, according to my mate at Moorabool town
    planning, means that they will likely be re-zoning us from Rural
    residential to regular residential which means the caveat of "no futher subdivision" will be removed from our section 32's.

    And as a result of that, I've had 8 agents and/or investors banging on
    my door looking to buy in the last 2 weeks :)

    The proposed population density for the area is 15 to 21 properties per hectare, and as I have a property with dual street access I can
    understand the interest. There's only 6 of us in the court, and between
    us we have about 8 and a half hectares. At the moment we're trying to
    agree on a price we'd all be happy with and sell the lot to them.

    The problem is, where do you go?

    For you the decision will be easy! You've been pulling bullshit out of
    your arse for *decades*, must be plenty of space up there now for you to
    go and live!


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  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 22:37:41
    Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 2:40 pm, Axel wrote:
    Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 10:06 am, Axel wrote:

    they do own a lot. they've been buying up property- farming land,
    housing, businesses, etc., - for many years. several years ago a
    friend was trying to by a house in one of Melbourne's middle class
    suburbs. at every auction she went to the Chinese kept outbidding
    everyone. they didn't care how much they paid.

    Maybe that's because they have more money.

    of course it is

    <snip noddy crap>

    Lol :)

    That's what you usually come back with whenever you're faced with a
    dose of reality you don't like :)

    actually I should have followed my first instinct and ignored your post,
    like I've been doing. I'll do that now.


    You drive a Chinese car. Not because it's a high quality machine or
    does things better than most others, but because it was cheap.

    That's all you were ever concerned about.


    no. that's just another of your many flawed conclusions.



    I could explain why, but you're not worth it

    <snip noddy crap>

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  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 22:38:05
    keithr0 wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 7:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 5:56 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 1:48 pm, Xeno wrote:

    Nothing new there, it was happening in Sydney in the 80's. Chatswood
    has a large Chinese population, the better off ones move to Pennant
    Hills.
    There was the infamous case of a family sitting down to their
    evening meal when there was a knock on the door, a Chinese couple
    wanting to buy their house on the spot.

    Which is most likely urban myth, but anyway.....

    If you want to make money for your house from the Chinese, study
    Feng Shui, it makes all the difference.

    Lol :)

    I would think if anyone wants your house they'll want it regardless :)

    If the Feng Shui is wrong, the Chinese ain't going to buy it. They are
    a superstitious mob, good luck trying to sell a house to them if the
    street number is 4.

    or 6

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  • From lindsay@3:633/10 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 22:49:19
    On 5/04/2026 6:59 pm, Xeno wrote:
    On 5/4/2026 5:52 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 5/04/2026 5:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 5/4/2026 2:43 pm, Noddy wrote:

    The Australian government, for their part, got themselves into that
    pickle in my opinion because they over estimated the public's
    reaction to having nuclear powered submarines in the Royal
    Australian Navy. I believe they thought the public wouldn't wear the
    idea if Nuclear Subs which in turn forced them to look at
    conventional battery electric boats from less than idea sources.

    Like the French, who sold the Australian government a massively
    overpriced lemon.

    To make matters worse someone actually though that they could do a
    deal with the US to buy some nuclear powered subs, IMHO that's never
    going to happen.

    It was a good idea when the signed the contract, as the subs are the
    best in the world and by a very long way. But now that fat orange cunt
    is in power we're better off pulling out and doing a deal with the
    Chinese.

    We would *never* be better off doing a submarine deal with the Chinese.


    oh you dumb cunt....


    Their submarine industry is in its infancy and relies heavily on stolen technology, as does their aircraft industry and arms industry in
    general. You might end up like a lot of countries who bought Russian military equipment and are now having a severe case of buyer's remorse,
    as are buyers of Chinese military equipment



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  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 00:41:24
    On 6/04/2026 10:37 pm, Axel wrote:
    Noddy wrote:

    That's what you usually come back with whenever you're faced with a
    dose of reality you don't like :)

    actually I should have followed my first instinct and ignored your post, like I've been doing. I'll do that now.


    If I had a buck for every time you've said that, I'd have 17 bucks.

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  • From Daryl@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 09:05:16
    On 6/4/2026 10:04 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 9:04 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 6/4/2026 7:56 pm, Noddy wrote:


    I would think if anyone wants your house they'll want it regardless :)


    Some buyers who seem to have more money than sense sometimes pay well
    over normal price for a property if they want it badly enough.
    About 8 yrs ago a mate answered a knock on his front door one Sunday
    afternoon, it was a Indian real estate agent asking if he wanted to
    sell his house, he had been thinking about it but he hadn't planned to
    do anything for another couple of years.
    He let the agent in and to cut a long story short he gave them a
    valuation approx $150k more than he thought the place was worth, he
    was skeptical so he signed a no sell no fee contract.
    It sold within 2 weeks for the high price to a developer whose plan
    was to demolish the house and build units, he also bought several
    other similar properties in the same street, all with large block
    sizes just under 3000 sq mtrs.

    There's been a very big change in the scenery around here in the last
    few months, with the Merrimu Precinct Structure Plan in it's final
    stages of development:

    https://vpa.vic.gov.au/project/merrimu/

    Not surprised the State Govt wants to grow that area but if they are
    true to their usual form any extra infrastructure the extra people need
    will come many many years after its needed.

    Basically all the farm land around me has been sold to developers
    opening up a development area that is roughly twice the size of the Melbourne CBD at 1200 hectares. The plan is for roughly 8 thousand new dwellings, with public and private schools, community centres, shopping districts, public transport, new roads, the lot.

    Planning is in the final stages now, and works are expected to commence either late this or early next year with the full roll out expect to
    take place over the next ten years.

    Needless to say, things are going to get busy around here :)

    Which could be both good and bad, lots of extra traffic and construction
    noise if you stay but potentially a big profit to be made if you sell.


    One of the parts of the proposal is that interesting is that the
    existing populated area where I am has been earmarked as a "Density Investigation Area" which, according to my mate at Moorabool town
    planning, means that they will likely be re-zoning us from Rural
    residential to regular residential which means the caveat of "no futher subdivision" will be removed from our section 32's.

    And as a result of that, I've had 8 agents and/or investors banging on
    my door looking to buy in the last 2 weeks :)

    The proposed population density for the area is 15 to 21 properties per hectare, and as I have a property with dual street access I can
    understand the interest. There's only 6 of us in the court, and between
    us we have about 8 and a half hectares. At the moment we're trying to
    agree on a price we'd all be happy with and sell the lot to them.

    The problem is, where do you go?



    That is the problem, plenty of very nice properties further out but if
    your wife is still working and your son is studying at uni distance
    could be a problem.
    If you make a big profit you could buy a place further out plus an
    apartment in the city for those days when they don't want to travel:-) Everything comes down to price and what you want, Hopetoun Park has
    similar style properties but prices have gone up a lot.
    A mate in Gisborne is selling his very nice property which would suit
    you nicely, his shed is even bigger than yours and comes with a hub
    dyno, he's even dropped the price, was $4.3million but now only
    $3.8million:-)


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  • From Daryl@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 09:12:52
    On 6/4/2026 10:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 9:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 5/04/2026 9:19 pm, Xeno wrote:

    My son used to work for Immigration, he reckoned that he couldn't
    understand anybody paying a huge sum of money for a ride in a leaky
    boat when, for about the same sum of money, they could fly here
    business class and have every chance of getting a visa to stay.

    "Every chance" meaning what?

    The difference between plane and boat arrivals was that every single
    person arriving by boat was doing so illegally, and in many cases they destroyed or had no paperwork so their country of origin could not
    easily be established. This is the reason why some people spent years in detention while tree huggers screamed about the unfairness of it all,
    when the reality was that they had no one to blame but themselves.

    For air arrivals it's a different story.

    Most people arrive with a valid visa.

    My youngest sons girlfriend arrived here on a working holiday visa from
    the UK then Covid happened and she couldn't go home, to cut a very long
    story short it took almost 5 yrs for her to get a permanent resident
    visa so its not an easy or quick process.
    It also cost her many thousands of dollars in fees etc.




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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 09:34:54
    On 6/04/2026 10:38 pm, Axel wrote:
    keithr0 wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 7:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 5:56 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 1:48 pm, Xeno wrote:

    Nothing new there, it was happening in Sydney in the 80's. Chatswood
    has a large Chinese population, the better off ones move to Pennant
    Hills.
    There was the infamous case of a family sitting down to their
    evening meal when there was a knock on the door, a Chinese couple
    wanting to buy their house on the spot.

    Which is most likely urban myth, but anyway.....

    If you want to make money for your house from the Chinese, study
    Feng Shui, it makes all the difference.

    Lol :)

    I would think if anyone wants your house they'll want it regardless :)

    If the Feng Shui is wrong, the Chinese ain't going to buy it. They are
    a superstitious mob, good luck trying to sell a house to them if the
    street number is 4.

    or 6

    The character for 4 both in Chinese and Japanese also means death.
    Japanese hotels do not have a fourth floor.

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  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 10:36:25
    On 7/04/2026 9:12 am, Daryl wrote:
    On 6/4/2026 10:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 9:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:

    My son used to work for Immigration, he reckoned that he couldn't
    understand anybody paying a huge sum of money for a ride in a leaky
    boat when, for about the same sum of money, they could fly here
    business class and have every chance of getting a visa to stay.

    "Every chance" meaning what?

    The difference between plane and boat arrivals was that every single
    person arriving by boat was doing so illegally, and in many cases they
    destroyed or had no paperwork so their country of origin could not
    easily be established. This is the reason why some people spent years
    in detention while tree huggers screamed about the unfairness of it
    all, when the reality was that they had no one to blame but themselves.

    For air arrivals it's a different story.

    Most people arrive with a valid visa.

    My youngest sons girlfriend arrived here on a working holiday visa from
    the UK then Covid happened and she couldn't go home, to cut a very long story short it took almost 5 yrs for her to get a permanent resident
    visa so its not an easy or quick process.
    It also cost her many thousands of dollars in fees etc.
    I'm sure it's not cheap. I know the cost associated with becoming an Australian citizen went through the roof.

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  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 10:59:28
    On 7/04/2026 9:05 am, Daryl wrote:
    On 6/4/2026 10:04 pm, Noddy wrote:

    There's been a very big change in the scenery around here in the last
    few months, with the Merrimu Precinct Structure Plan in it's final
    stages of development:

    https://vpa.vic.gov.au/project/merrimu/

    Not surprised the State Govt wants to grow that area but if they are
    true to their usual form any extra infrastructure the extra people need
    will come many many years after its needed.

    This is a bit of a test case. Most of the costs associated with it are
    to be borne by the developers. They're doing things like donating the
    land for things like schools and community centres, and the
    council/state government are responsible for the cost of the buildings.
    Roads, services and everything else are at the cost of the developers.

    Basically all the farm land around me has been sold to developers
    opening up a development area that is roughly twice the size of the
    Melbourne CBD at 1200 hectares. The plan is for roughly 8 thousand new
    dwellings, with public and private schools, community centres,
    shopping districts, public transport, new roads, the lot.

    Planning is in the final stages now, and works are expected to
    commence either late this or early next year with the full roll out
    expect to take place over the next ten years.

    Needless to say, things are going to get busy around here :)

    Which could be both good and bad, lots of extra traffic and construction noise if you stay but potentially a big profit to be made if you sell.

    I'm playing it by ear at the moment.

    Having the property values go through the roof is fine if you're happy
    to sell, but clearly not if you plan to stay. This is already an
    expensive place to live and we pay around 4 grand a year for rates. Some locals are complaining that if the values go high they may be forced to
    move as they won't be able to afford to live here.

    The proposed population density for the area is 15 to 21 properties
    per hectare, and as I have a property with dual street access I can
    understand the interest. There's only 6 of us in the court, and
    between us we have about 8 and a half hectares. At the moment we're
    trying to agree on a price we'd all be happy with and sell the lot to
    them.

    The problem is, where do you go?



    That is the problem, plenty of very nice properties further out but if
    your wife is still working and your son is studying at uni distance
    could be a problem.

    She wants to go to Drysdale as she loves being near the beach. The thing
    that shits me about that is that when we lived in Altona we were 250
    mtrs from the beach and she never went anywhere near the place :)

    But yeah. I think Drysdale, as nice as it is, would be a pain in the
    arse commute for both of them. For me I couldn't care less as long as I
    have my workshop, and it may be an opportunity to build a larger one as
    you can never have enough space. But at 63 I'm not sure if I want to be starting all over again....

    If you make a big profit you could buy a place further out plus an
    apartment in the city for those days when they don't want to travel:-)

    Could do :)

    The original plan I had with my two mates who I invest with was that we
    stay in the game until we hit retirement age and then sell up and split
    the profits between the three of us, but that may change in the not too distant future. With the increases in land tax and other ridiculous
    rules and regulations imposed on landlords we may be looking at either
    getting out of residential and moving to commercial, or getting out of
    it all together. If we got out of it altogether and sold this place for
    a tidy sum the wife would like to move to New Zealand.

    I wouldn't mind it as it's a lovely place, particularly in the South
    Island, but you'd need a fuckload of money to live comfortably over there.

    Everything comes down to price and what you want, Hopetoun Park has
    similar style properties but prices have gone up a lot.
    A mate in Gisborne is selling his very nice property which would suit
    you nicely, his shed is even bigger than yours and comes with a hub
    dyno, he's even dropped the price, was $4.3million but now only $3.8million:-)

    We may have to talk :)

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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 12:38:41
    On 6/04/2026 9:37 pm, alvey wrote:
    Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 2:40 pm, Axel wrote:
    Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 10:06 am, Axel wrote:

    they do own a lot. they've been buying up property- farming land,
    housing, businesses, etc., - for many years. several years ago a
    friend was trying to by a house in one of Melbourne's middle class
    suburbs. at every auction she went to the Chinese kept outbidding
    everyone. they didn't care how much they paid.

    Maybe that's because they have more money.

    of course it is

    <snip noddy crap>

    Lol :)

    That's what you usually come back with whenever you're faced with a
    dose of reality you don't like :)

    Could be worse Buffo.

    He could be one of those killfile hard man heroes...

    Or a spineless keyboard warrior hiding in a cowards castle of anonymity.

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  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 13:24:58
    On 7/4/2026 10:36 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 7/04/2026 9:12 am, Daryl wrote:
    On 6/4/2026 10:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 9:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:

    My son used to work for Immigration, he reckoned that he couldn't
    understand anybody paying a huge sum of money for a ride in a leaky
    boat when, for about the same sum of money, they could fly here
    business class and have every chance of getting a visa to stay.

    "Every chance" meaning what?

    The difference between plane and boat arrivals was that every single
    person arriving by boat was doing so illegally, and in many cases
    they destroyed or had no paperwork so their country of origin could
    not easily be established. This is the reason why some people spent
    years in detention while tree huggers screamed about the unfairness
    of it all, when the reality was that they had no one to blame but
    themselves.

    For air arrivals it's a different story.

    Most people arrive with a valid visa.

    My youngest sons girlfriend arrived here on a working holiday visa
    from the UK then Covid happened and she couldn't go home, to cut a
    very long story short it took almost 5 yrs for her to get a permanent
    resident visa so its not an easy or quick process.
    It also cost her many thousands of dollars in fees etc.
    I'm sure it's not cheap. I know the cost associated with becoming an Australian citizen went through the roof.

    The cost of bringing a fiance in from overseas has really skyrocketed.
    It *starts* at $8k-$10k and cane easily swing up to $15k and take a
    *minimum* of two years.

    When I went through the process 45+ years ago, the processing cost was
    less than $250 and took a mere 3 months - and that didn't change at all
    when I started the process off in Launceston and transferred the process
    to Melbourne mid way. What's more, my wife had Australian *citizenship*
    after only 12 months and, IIRC, with only a small processing fee.
    Absolutely impossible to do that nowadays.

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    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From Daryl@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 15:10:45
    On 7/4/2026 10:59 am, Noddy wrote:
    On 7/04/2026 9:05 am, Daryl wrote:
    On 6/4/2026 10:04 pm, Noddy wrote:

    There's been a very big change in the scenery around here in the last
    few months, with the Merrimu Precinct Structure Plan in it's final
    stages of development:

    https://vpa.vic.gov.au/project/merrimu/

    Not surprised the State Govt wants to grow that area but if they are
    true to their usual form any extra infrastructure the extra people
    need will come many many years after its needed.

    This is a bit of a test case. Most of the costs associated with it are
    to be borne by the developers. They're doing things like donating the
    land for things like schools and community centres, and the council/
    state government are responsible for the cost of the buildings. Roads, services and everything else are at the cost of the developers.

    Basically all the farm land around me has been sold to developers
    opening up a development area that is roughly twice the size of the
    Melbourne CBD at 1200 hectares. The plan is for roughly 8 thousand
    new dwellings, with public and private schools, community centres,
    shopping districts, public transport, new roads, the lot.

    Planning is in the final stages now, and works are expected to
    commence either late this or early next year with the full roll out
    expect to take place over the next ten years.

    Needless to say, things are going to get busy around here :)

    Which could be both good and bad, lots of extra traffic and
    construction noise if you stay but potentially a big profit to be made
    if you sell.

    I'm playing it by ear at the moment.

    Having the property values go through the roof is fine if you're happy
    to sell, but clearly not if you plan to stay. This is already an
    expensive place to live and we pay around 4 grand a year for rates. Some locals are complaining that if the values go high they may be forced to
    move as they won't be able to afford to live here.

    The proposed population density for the area is 15 to 21 properties
    per hectare, and as I have a property with dual street access I can
    understand the interest. There's only 6 of us in the court, and
    between us we have about 8 and a half hectares. At the moment we're
    trying to agree on a price we'd all be happy with and sell the lot to
    them.

    The problem is, where do you go?



    That is the problem, plenty of very nice properties further out but if
    your wife is still working and your son is studying at uni distance
    could be a problem.

    She wants to go to Drysdale as she loves being near the beach. The thing that shits me about that is that when we lived in Altona we were 250
    mtrs from the beach and she never went anywhere near the place :)

    But yeah. I think Drysdale, as nice as it is, would be a pain in the
    arse commute for both of them. For me I couldn't care less as long as I
    have my workshop, and it may be an opportunity to build a larger one as
    you can never have enough space. But at 63 I'm not sure if I want to be starting all over again....

    If you make a big profit you could buy a place further out plus an
    apartment in the city for those days when they don't want to travel:-)

    Could do :)

    The original plan I had with my two mates who I invest with was that we
    stay in the game until we hit retirement age and then sell up and split
    the profits between the three of us, but that may change in the not too distant future. With the increases in land tax and other ridiculous
    rules and regulations imposed on landlords we may be looking at either getting out of residential and moving to commercial, or getting out of
    it all together. If we got out of it altogether and sold this place for
    a tidy sum the wife would like to move to New Zealand.

    I wouldn't mind it as it's a lovely place, particularly in the South
    Island, but you'd need a fuckload of money to live comfortably over there.

    Everything comes down to price and what you want, Hopetoun Park has
    similar style properties but prices have gone up a lot.
    A mate in Gisborne is selling his very nice property which would suit
    you nicely, his shed is even bigger than yours and comes with a hub
    dyno, he's even dropped the price, was $4.3million but now only
    $3.8million:-)

    We may have to talk :)

    Looks like he's taken it off the market, couldn't sell at his price so
    he's selling his other property in NSW:-)

    --
    Daryl

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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 15:15:30
    On 7/04/2026 9:12 am, Daryl wrote:
    On 6/4/2026 10:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 9:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 5/04/2026 9:19 pm, Xeno wrote:

    My son used to work for Immigration, he reckoned that he couldn't
    understand anybody paying a huge sum of money for a ride in a leaky
    boat when, for about the same sum of money, they could fly here
    business class and have every chance of getting a visa to stay.

    "Every chance" meaning what?

    The difference between plane and boat arrivals was that every single
    person arriving by boat was doing so illegally, and in many cases they
    destroyed or had no paperwork so their country of origin could not
    easily be established. This is the reason why some people spent years
    in detention while tree huggers screamed about the unfairness of it
    all, when the reality was that they had no one to blame but themselves.

    For air arrivals it's a different story.

    Most people arrive with a valid visa.

    My youngest sons girlfriend arrived here on a working holiday visa from
    the UK then Covid happened and she couldn't go home, to cut a very long story short it took almost 5 yrs for her to get a permanent resident
    visa so its not an easy or quick process.
    It also cost her many thousands of dollars in fees etc.

    OTOH #1 son is taking his #2 son to Europe and the UK. The poms have
    just made it mandatory for British citizens to enter the country using a British passport. Being the son of someone born there he tried to find
    out whether it applied to him, the only way to do so was to apply for a British passport something that he didn't want and see if it was
    approved. His passport arrived yesterday, but, at least, it is cheaper
    than an Australian one. Now he will have to carry both.

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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 15:17:43
    On 4/04/2026 9:42 pm, Xeno wrote:
    On 4/4/2026 10:28 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 4/04/2026 8:36 pm, Xeno wrote:
    On 4/4/2026 7:40 pm, Mr Jesse James Bruce wrote:

    <loads of crap snip in the interests of sanity>

    The Natural Gas we do grow in Australia and if i am not mistaken it is >>>
    We don't *grow* natural gas. We *mine* it. As with most mines, once
    the *product* has been extracted and used, it's gone for all time.

    We don't mine it either, just drill for it.

    Ah, we do indeed mine for it. I worked in a tin mine, drilling was
    involved. I worked in an iron ore mine, drilling was involved. I worked
    in a nickel mine, drilling was involved. Not to mention exploration drilling. That occurs in mining for solids, liquids or gases.


    Oil extraction is broadly considered a form of mining, specifically
    falling under the category of *non-renewable resource extraction*. It is classified under the "mining and petroleum extraction" industry, as it involves removing valuable naturally occurring materials from the earth, including petroleum, natural gas, and oil shale, using industrial methods. Wikipedia

    Mining covers the extraction of any non-renewable material, including
    oil and gas, that cannot be grown or produced in a lab.
    Government and industrial classifications, such as those on
    business.gov.au, group oil and gas extraction within the broader mining industry.
    The extraction process often involves drilling deep into the Earth to
    access oil and gas reservoirs, similar to conventional mining for solid resources.
    Oil and gas projects often fall under similar regulations, licenses, and leasing structures as mining operations, as detailed on the NSW
    Resources site.
    Oil extraction can include drilling, fracking, and processing from
    materials like tar sands.

    https://business.gov.au/planning/industry-information/mining-industry
    The mining industry includes businesses engaged in:
    coal mining
    oil and gas extraction
    metal ore mining
    non-metallic mineral mining and quarrying
    exploration and other mining support services.


    So, you were saying...

    I'm waiting to hear about your time in the North West gas mines.

    There is a reason that they call them oil WELLS and gas WELLS not mines.

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  • From alvey@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 19:30:51
    keithr0 wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 9:37 pm, alvey wrote:
    Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 2:40 pm, Axel wrote:
    Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 10:06 am, Axel wrote:

    they do own a lot. they've been buying up property- farming land, >>>>>> housing, businesses, etc., - for many years. several years ago a
    friend was trying to by a house in one of Melbourne's middle class >>>>>> suburbs. at every auction she went to the Chinese kept outbidding >>>>>> everyone. they didn't care how much they paid.

    Maybe that's because they have more money.

    of course it is

    <snip noddy crap>

    Lol :)

    That's what you usually come back with whenever you're faced with a
    dose of reality you don't like :)

    Could be worse Buffo.

    He could be one of those killfile hard man heroes...

    Or a spineless keyboard warrior hiding in a cowards castle of anonymity.

    And Richo can't understand why I don't rate him...

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  • From lindsay@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 19:40:45
    On 7/04/2026 3:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 4/04/2026 9:42 pm, Xeno wrote:
    On 4/4/2026 10:28 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 4/04/2026 8:36 pm, Xeno wrote:
    On 4/4/2026 7:40 pm, Mr Jesse James Bruce wrote:

    <loads of crap snip in the interests of sanity>

    The Natural Gas we do grow in Australia and if i am not mistaken it is >>>>
    We don't *grow* natural gas. We *mine* it. As with most mines, once
    the *product* has been extracted and used, it's gone for all time.

    We don't mine it either, just drill for it.

    Ah, we do indeed mine for it. I worked in a tin mine, drilling was
    involved. I worked in an iron ore mine, drilling was involved. I
    worked in a nickel mine, drilling was involved. Not to mention
    exploration drilling. That occurs in mining for solids, liquids or gases.


    Oil extraction is broadly considered a form of mining, specifically
    falling under the category of *non-renewable resource extraction*. It
    is classified under the "mining and petroleum extraction" industry, as
    it involves removing valuable naturally occurring materials from the
    earth, including petroleum, natural gas, and oil shale, using
    industrial methods.
    Wikipedia

    Mining covers the extraction of any non-renewable material, including
    oil and gas, that cannot be grown or produced in a lab.
    Government and industrial classifications, such as those on
    business.gov.au, group oil and gas extraction within the broader
    mining industry.
    The extraction process often involves drilling deep into the Earth to
    access oil and gas reservoirs, similar to conventional mining for
    solid resources.
    Oil and gas projects often fall under similar regulations, licenses,
    and leasing structures as mining operations, as detailed on the NSW
    Resources site.
    Oil extraction can include drilling, fracking, and processing from
    materials like tar sands.

    https://business.gov.au/planning/industry-information/mining-industry
    The mining industry includes businesses engaged in:
    coal mining
    oil and gas extraction
    metal ore mining
    non-metallic mineral mining and quarrying
    exploration and other mining support services.


    So, you were saying...

    I'm waiting to hear about your time in the North West gas mines.

    There is a reason that they call them oil WELLS and gas WELLS not mines.


    Silence.....


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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Daryl@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 19:55:42
    On 7/4/2026 3:15 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 7/04/2026 9:12 am, Daryl wrote:
    On 6/4/2026 10:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 9:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 5/04/2026 9:19 pm, Xeno wrote:

    My son used to work for Immigration, he reckoned that he couldn't
    understand anybody paying a huge sum of money for a ride in a leaky
    boat when, for about the same sum of money, they could fly here
    business class and have every chance of getting a visa to stay.

    "Every chance" meaning what?

    The difference between plane and boat arrivals was that every single
    person arriving by boat was doing so illegally, and in many cases
    they destroyed or had no paperwork so their country of origin could
    not easily be established. This is the reason why some people spent
    years in detention while tree huggers screamed about the unfairness
    of it all, when the reality was that they had no one to blame but
    themselves.

    For air arrivals it's a different story.

    Most people arrive with a valid visa.

    My youngest sons girlfriend arrived here on a working holiday visa
    from the UK then Covid happened and she couldn't go home, to cut a
    very long story short it took almost 5 yrs for her to get a permanent
    resident visa so its not an easy or quick process.
    It also cost her many thousands of dollars in fees etc.

    OTOH #1 son is taking his #2 son to Europe and the UK. The poms have
    just made it mandatory for British citizens to enter the country using a British passport. Being the son of someone born there he tried to find
    out whether it applied to him, the only way to do so was to apply for a British passport something that he didn't want and see if it was
    approved. His passport arrived yesterday, but, at least, it is cheaper
    than an Australian one. Now he will have to carry both.

    I've heard about that, a woman that I know was born in the UK but has
    lived in Australia for many years and is an Australian citizen, she
    still has a sister and other family living in the UK and likes to go
    over there every couple of years but she is annoyed that she needs a
    British passport to travel there, it may even stop her going simply
    because she can't be stuffed applying for a new passport.
    Could be worse, you could want or need to travel to the US.

    --
    Daryl

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  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 20:21:49
    On 7/04/2026 3:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 4/04/2026 9:42 pm, Xeno wrote:

    So, you were saying...

    I'm waiting to hear about your time in the North West gas mines.

    There is a reason that they call them oil WELLS and gas WELLS not mines.

    Lol :)

    Give him a moment to Google, and he'll be right with ya :)

    --
    --
    --
    Regards,
    Noddy.

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  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 20:22:50
    On 7/04/2026 3:10 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 7/4/2026 10:59 am, Noddy wrote:

    Everything comes down to price and what you want, Hopetoun Park has
    similar style properties but prices have gone up a lot.
    A mate in Gisborne is selling his very nice property which would suit
    you nicely, his shed is even bigger than yours and comes with a hub
    dyno, he's even dropped the price, was $4.3million but now only
    $3.8million:-)

    We may have to talk :)

    Looks like he's taken it off the market, couldn't sell at his price so
    he's selling his other property in NSW:-)

    Can't say I blame him. It's a very uncertain time....



    --
    --
    --
    Regards,
    Noddy.

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  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 20:39:06
    On 7/4/2026 8:22 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 7/04/2026 3:10 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 7/4/2026 10:59 am, Noddy wrote:

    Everything comes down to price and what you want, Hopetoun Park has
    similar style properties but prices have gone up a lot.
    A mate in Gisborne is selling his very nice property which would
    suit you nicely, his shed is even bigger than yours and comes with a
    hub dyno, he's even dropped the price, was $4.3million but now only
    $3.8million:-)

    We may have to talk :)

    Looks like he's taken it off the market, couldn't sell at his price so
    he's selling his other property in NSW:-)

    Can't say I blame him. It's a very uncertain time....

    With delusional people in power, yes, very uncertain times.


    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 22:09:59
    On 7/04/2026 8:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 7/04/2026 3:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 4/04/2026 9:42 pm, Xeno wrote:

    So, you were saying...

    I'm waiting to hear about your time in the North West gas mines.

    There is a reason that they call them oil WELLS and gas WELLS not mines.

    Lol :)

    Give him a moment to Google, and he'll be right with ya :)

    He may be but I won't, I off until May.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 22:11:38
    On 7/04/2026 7:30 pm, alvey wrote:
    keithr0 wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 9:37 pm, alvey wrote:
    Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 2:40 pm, Axel wrote:
    Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 10:06 am, Axel wrote:

    they do own a lot. they've been buying up property- farming land, >>>>>>> housing, businesses, etc., - for many years. several years ago a >>>>>>> friend was trying to by a house in one of Melbourne's middle
    class suburbs. at every auction she went to the Chinese kept
    outbidding everyone. they didn't care how much they paid.

    Maybe that's because they have more money.

    of course it is

    <snip noddy crap>

    Lol :)

    That's what you usually come back with whenever you're faced with a
    dose of reality you don't like :)

    Could be worse Buffo.

    He could be one of those killfile hard man heroes...

    Or a spineless keyboard warrior hiding in a cowards castle of anonymity.

    And Richo can't understand why I don't rate him...

    Because you can dish it out, but you can't take it.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Xeno@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 22:48:02
    On 7/4/2026 3:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 4/04/2026 9:42 pm, Xeno wrote:
    On 4/4/2026 10:28 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 4/04/2026 8:36 pm, Xeno wrote:
    On 4/4/2026 7:40 pm, Mr Jesse James Bruce wrote:

    <loads of crap snip in the interests of sanity>

    The Natural Gas we do grow in Australia and if i am not mistaken it is >>>>
    We don't *grow* natural gas. We *mine* it. As with most mines, once
    the *product* has been extracted and used, it's gone for all time.

    We don't mine it either, just drill for it.

    Ah, we do indeed mine for it. I worked in a tin mine, drilling was
    involved. I worked in an iron ore mine, drilling was involved. I
    worked in a nickel mine, drilling was involved. Not to mention
    exploration drilling. That occurs in mining for solids, liquids or gases.


    Oil extraction is broadly considered a form of mining, specifically
    falling under the category of *non-renewable resource extraction*. It
    is classified under the "mining and petroleum extraction" industry, as
    it involves removing valuable naturally occurring materials from the
    earth, including petroleum, natural gas, and oil shale, using
    industrial methods.
    Wikipedia

    Mining covers the extraction of any non-renewable material, including
    oil and gas, that cannot be grown or produced in a lab.
    Government and industrial classifications, such as those on
    business.gov.au, group oil and gas extraction within the broader
    mining industry.
    The extraction process often involves drilling deep into the Earth to
    access oil and gas reservoirs, similar to conventional mining for
    solid resources.
    Oil and gas projects often fall under similar regulations, licenses,
    and leasing structures as mining operations, as detailed on the NSW
    Resources site.
    Oil extraction can include drilling, fracking, and processing from
    materials like tar sands.

    https://business.gov.au/planning/industry-information/mining-industry
    The mining industry includes businesses engaged in:
    coal mining
    oil and gas extraction
    metal ore mining
    non-metallic mineral mining and quarrying
    exploration and other mining support services.


    So, you were saying...

    I'm waiting to hear about your time in the North West gas mines.

    There is a reason that they call them oil WELLS and gas WELLS not mines.

    Essentially, mining is the overarching industry, and oil extraction is
    one of its major specialized activities, encompassing both conventional drilling and mining of unconventional deposits like shale and oil sands.
    You might like to define it differently but I'll go with the industry designation.

    --
    Xeno

    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From Axel@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 23:01:58
    keithr0 wrote:
    On 7/04/2026 8:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
    On 7/04/2026 3:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 4/04/2026 9:42 pm, Xeno wrote:

    So, you were saying...

    I'm waiting to hear about your time in the North West gas mines.

    There is a reason that they call them oil WELLS and gas WELLS not
    mines.

    Lol :)

    Give him a moment to Google, and he'll be right with ya :)

    He may be but I won't, I off until May.

    good riddance

    --
    Linux Mint 22.3


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  • From Noddy@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 23:53:25
    On 7/04/2026 11:01 pm, Axel wrote:
    keithr0 wrote:

    He may be but I won't, I off until May.

    good riddance

    You know you can block people, and never have to whinge about them ever
    again? You know that, right Felix? Or are you just too fucking stupid to understand it?





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    --
    --
    Regards,
    Noddy.

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  • From alvey@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, April 08, 2026 07:24:37
    keithr0 wrote:
    On 7/04/2026 7:30 pm, alvey wrote:
    keithr0 wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 9:37 pm, alvey wrote:
    Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 2:40 pm, Axel wrote:
    Noddy wrote:
    On 6/04/2026 10:06 am, Axel wrote:

    they do own a lot. they've been buying up property- farming
    land, housing, businesses, etc., - for many years. several years >>>>>>>> ago a friend was trying to by a house in one of Melbourne's
    middle class suburbs. at every auction she went to the Chinese >>>>>>>> kept outbidding everyone. they didn't care how much they paid.

    Maybe that's because they have more money.

    of course it is

    <snip noddy crap>

    Lol :)

    That's what you usually come back with whenever you're faced with a >>>>> dose of reality you don't like :)

    Could be worse Buffo.

    He could be one of those killfile hard man heroes...

    Or a spineless keyboard warrior hiding in a cowards castle of anonymity.

    And Richo can't understand why I don't rate him...

    Because you can dish it out, but you can't take it.

    Well that'd be 1-0 to me then as you can't do either.

    Now go away and stop bothering me.

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