On Fri, 6/5/2026 2:56 PM, Anne Frank wrote:

You could even replace etcetera with etcetera.
Or climb into your very own echo chamber and shut the door.
Exciting. News at six. Who knew.

This is why I come to USENET, for the propaganda and the SPAM.

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Anonymous <bounce.me@n2n.oc2mx.net> wrote:

As an American. I 100% approve the move and we should all do
the same. Thank you El :)

https://www.qwant.com/ (no tracking of data)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcQy1zaflbw

We did? Can't say I noticed.

Of wait, you mean the European Parliament took a vote. Yeah, no one listens
to them. Especially anyone not in the EU.

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On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 21:29:36 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

Didn't one/some of the European countries move from Windows to Linux (or
was it from MSOffice to OpenOffice/something) some years ago??

France <https://linuxiac.com/france-launches-government-linux-desktop-plan-as-windows-exit-begins/>

Their intelligence agency switched to Linux years ago IIRC.

Switzerland wants open source: <https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/new-open-source-law-switzerland>

As for little Belgium: we developed BEAM (secure messenger) for
government use:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=be.bsc.app>

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On 06/06/2026 20:23, s|b wrote:

Their intelligence agency switched to Linux years ago IIRC.

They can do it because they only use computers for email and web
browsing. Commercial businesses can't do the same because they need
computers to run accounting and tax software, as well as Adobe products.
I mentioned these three products because they are the ones I use most,
so Windows is necessary for me.

Linux developers need to start seriously working on developing
accounting and tax software, but this is not going to happen in the near future. Currently, most people using Linux systems are hobbyists,
enthusiasts and students learning to write their first 'Hello World!'
program.

It's surprising that nobody in the Linux community is developing
accounting and tax software. They just need to replicate the database
schema from Windows software and then work on the UI. Linux is pretty
good at supporting databases, and there are many free options available.
If the project is successful, corporations will, of course, be prepared
to pay for all the hard work involved.

Saturday, 06 June, 2026 @ 21:45:00






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On Sat, 6/6/2026 4:45 PM, John Smith wrote:

On 06/06/2026 20:23, s|b wrote:

Their intelligence agency switched to Linux years ago IIRC.

They can do it because they only use computers for email and web
browsing. Commercial businesses can't do the same because they need computers to run accounting and tax software, as well as Adobe products.
I mentioned these three products because they are the ones I use most,
so Windows is necessary for me.

Linux developers need to start seriously working on developing
accounting and tax software, but this is not going to happen in the near future. Currently, most people using Linux systems are hobbyists, enthusiasts and students learning to write their first 'Hello World!' program.

It's surprising that nobody in the Linux community is developing
accounting and tax software. They just need to replicate the database
schema from Windows software and then work on the UI. Linux is pretty
good at supporting databases, and there are many free options available.
If the project is successful, corporations will, of course, be prepared
to pay for all the hard work involved.

Saturday, 06 June, 2026 @ 21:45:00

Currently, most people using Linux systems are hobbyists,
enthusiasts and students learning to write their first 'Hello World!'
program.

Ah, no.

First of all, if you have ever taken a programming course, the
marks are in a bimodal distribution. Either "you get it" or
"you don't get it". So right away, half your Linux users
are just "browser users". When you take a programming course,
zero students make ~50% as a mark. There is a big hole at
the 50% point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineering_demographics

United States

In 2023, there were an estimated 1.6 million professional software developers in North America.
There are 166 million people employed in the US workforce,
making software developers 0.96% of the total workforce.

The biggest barrier to Linux usage, is getting the OS installed
on media (from the ISO), and then figuring out how to boot it
(some people still don't know how to boot from a DVD or in
the case of a Dell, exactly how you boot from a USB stick).

If some of the human population had someone install Linux
for them, and they found the ever-present browser icon
on the bar at the bottom, they could carry out the
"high runner" activity which is web browsing. They
would then be "non-discriminating Linux Users", perhaps
almost totally unaware what OS it was. And in some cases,
where some effort was put into hiding the Terminal, they
might never discover what a Terminal window is.

This picture was never intended for this purpose. It's a picture
about the usage of Display control panels in Linux, where the
pictures are "captured in their best light without showing
what a shambles they are".

[Picture] TheBigPicture.gif

https://postimg.cc/XZCpYFzc

https://imgur.com/a/EpPELsh

And at the bottom of each DE, you can see the browser icon.

In just the same way, as the copy of Windows that came on
your OEM box, there is a browser icon on the bar as well.

*******

Nobody really enjoys writing tax software. You have to pay
them well to do that. It takes a business person with some
depth of pockets, to keep staff noses to grindstone and
finish something like that.

Paul

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On 2026-06-06 22:45, John Smith wrote:

On 06/06/2026 20:23, s|b wrote:

Their intelligence agency switched to Linux years ago IIRC.

They can do it because they only use computers for email and web
browsing. Commercial businesses can't do the same because they need
computers to run accounting and tax software, as well as Adobe products.
I mentioned these three products because they are the ones I use most,
so Windows is necessary for me.

Linux developers need to start seriously working on developing
accounting and tax software, but this is not going to happen in the near future. Currently, most people using Linux systems are hobbyists,
enthusiasts and students learning to write their first 'Hello World!' program.

It's surprising that nobody in the Linux community is developing
accounting and tax software. They just need to replicate the database
schema from Windows software and then work on the UI. Linux is pretty
good at supporting databases, and there are many free options available.
If the project is successful, corporations will, of course, be prepared
to pay for all the hard work involved.

Saturday, 06 June, 2026 @ 21:45:00

In my country, we do not need neither Windows nor Linux to do our taxes.
The forms are mandatorily filled online, on a web page.

And accounting software in Linux does exist, but it is peculiar to the regulations of each country.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES??, EU??;

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John Smith <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 06/06/2026 20:23, s|b wrote:

Their intelligence agency switched to Linux years ago IIRC.

They can do it because they only use computers for email and web
browsing.

Lol no.

Commercial businesses can't do the same because they need
computers to run accounting and tax software,

Maybe mom & pop shops. Enterprise-level businesses use commercial cloud solutions.

as well as Adobe products.
I mentioned these three products because they are the ones I use most,
so Windows is necessary for me.

I mean Adobe is all over macOS so windows is not a necessity.

Linux developers need to start seriously working on developing
accounting and tax software, but this is not going to happen in the near future. Currently, most people using Linux systems are hobbyists, enthusiasts and students learning to write their first 'Hello World!' program.

Lol not even close. Huge swathes of the professional scientific community
worth billions to the various economies around the world are wholly
dependent on linux.

It's surprising that nobody in the Linux community is developing
accounting and tax software.

They do. Look at Gnucash. Been around for decades.
q

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On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 08:28:11 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

We did? Can't say I noticed.

Of wait, you mean the European Parliament took a vote. Yeah, no one listens to them. Especially anyone not in the EU.

I'm in Belgium (EU) and I'm listening... What I don't like is them
scheming over chat control and age verification.

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s|b

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On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 21:45:00 +0100, John Smith wrote:

Their intelligence agency switched to Linux years ago IIRC.

They can do it because they only use computers for email and web
browsing.

Where's your source on this? Intelligence agencies do a lot more than
e-mail and web browsing. And the rest of the government will do a lot
more than that. Have you even read the article?

Commercial businesses can't do the same because they need
computers to run accounting and tax software, as well as Adobe products.
I mentioned these three products because they are the ones I use most,
so Windows is necessary for me.

Maybe for you, but not for France clearly.

Linux developers need to start seriously working on developing
accounting and tax software, but this is not going to happen in the near future. Currently, most people using Linux systems are hobbyists, enthusiasts and students learning to write their first 'Hello World!' program.

An entire country is switching its government to Linux, surely it's more
than a hobby project.

<https://truelist.co/blog/linux-statistics/>

<quote>

47% of professional developers use Linux-based operating systems.
...
SpaceX has used Linux-supported systems to complete 65 missions so far.
...
About 90% of Hollywood special effects rely on Linux.
...
85% of smartphones are Linux-powered.
...
As of 2017, about 90% of cloud infrastructure operates on Linux.
...
96.3% of the top one million web servers are running Linux.

</quote>

Are still going to claim Linux is just for hobbyists, enthusiasts and
students? They all running those servers during their free time?

It's surprising that nobody in the Linux community is developing
accounting and tax software. They just need to replicate the database
schema from Windows software and then work on the UI. Linux is pretty
good at supporting databases, and there are many free options available.
If the project is successful, corporations will, of course, be prepared
to pay for all the hard work involved.

You seem to be fixated on taxes and accounting.

--
s|b

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On 06/08/2026 6:47 AM, T wrote:

On 6/7/26 5:39 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

In my country, ... And accounting software in Linux does exist, but it
is peculiar to the regulations of each country.

In the USA, Intuit's QuickBooks is the standard.ÿ The desktop
version only runs on Windows.

The big problem here is the "I CAN'T LEARN ANYTHING NEW !!!"
crowd and finding an accountant what will work with you
if you are not running QuickBooks.

Considering QB has over 80%-85% of the market share, the 'I can't learn anything new crowd' is minuscule(and nowhere representative of the
'other' 15-20% market share).

With respect to accountants - counting beans is relevant, yet
recommending and providing training on software(and its solution[s]) are
the primary services...thus suggesting QB continued use or adoption is consistent and aligns with software that clients are already using.

i.e. no matter how many Linux versions exist, disappear, or future released...the picture will be the same for the foreseeable future.



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T wrote:

On 6/7/26 5:39 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

In my country, ... And accounting software in Linux does exist, but it
is peculiar to the regulations of each country.

In the USA, Intuit's QuickBooks is the standard.ÿ The desktop
version only runs on Windows.ÿ There was a Mac version at one
time, but it was so horrible (bugs) that I had to tell customers
they had to get a Windows machine.ÿ Intuit is trying to push
users to their cloud version.ÿ The bookkeepers I work with
do not care at all for the cloud version.

[snip]

Here in the UK probably the most used accounting software is Sage. More horrible than QB and so far as I know equally restricted to Windows
platforms.

--
Graham J

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Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 6/06/2026 8:44 am, Anonymous wrote:

As an American. I 100% approve the move and we should all do
the same. Thank you El :)

https://www.qwant.com/?l=en (no tracking of data)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcQy1zaflbw

Didn't one/some of the European countries move from Windows to Linux (or
was it from MSOffice to OpenOffice/something) some years ago??

Yes. Most famously it was the city of Munich for both linux and openoffice.
It had ping ponged over the years - MS gave them a very good deal at one
point - and are back with OSS currently, I believe. I think German law -
for all government documents much be stored in open standards - was also
the driver for microsoft to rush through the so-called open OOXML format.

There are others, but Munich is the one that shows how challenging it is to make such a significant shift.


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Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

T wrote:

On 6/7/26 5:39 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

In my country, ... And accounting software in Linux does exist, but it
is peculiar to the regulations of each country.

In the USA, Intuit's QuickBooks is the standard.ÿ The desktop
version only runs on Windows.ÿ There was a Mac version at one
time, but it was so horrible (bugs) that I had to tell customers
they had to get a Windows machine.ÿ Intuit is trying to push
users to their cloud version.ÿ The bookkeepers I work with
do not care at all for the cloud version.

[snip]

Here in the UK probably the most used accounting software is Sage. More horrible than QB and so far as I know equally restricted to Windows platforms.

Like everything these days, Sage has moved to cloud.


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On 6/15/26 6:49 PM, Fritz Wuehler wrote:

As an American. I 100% approve the move and we should all do
the same. Thank you El :)

https://www.qwant.com/?l=en (no tracking of data)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcQy1zaflbw

Didn't one/some of the European countries move from Windows to Linux

(or was it from MSOffice to OpenOffice/something) some years ago??

Yes, I remember it well. But the European computer users started
crying about having to use the Linux systems, so the company CEOs
tucked tail and ran back to the Windows.
I love the thought of Gates crying himself to sleep every ight for his
own stupidity. This immature little twat rich boy and Microsoft's
exceedingly arrogant CEO have destroyed their company. Their desire to enslave everyone to their own control was the height of hubris. I say
death to Windows.

If we had started teaching some linux in grade school twenty years ago humanity would have produced a dozen IT-genius youngsters by now, none
of them offsprings of the 'let's enslave humanity for ourselves' _culture_.



--
"Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in
foreign policy." Kissinger.


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bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

On 6/15/26 6:49 PM, Fritz Wuehler wrote:

As an American. I 100% approve the move and we should all do
the same. Thank you El :)

https://www.qwant.com/?l=en (no tracking of data)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcQy1zaflbw

Didn't one/some of the European countries move from Windows to Linux

(or was it from MSOffice to OpenOffice/something) some years ago??

Yes, I remember it well. But the European computer users started
crying about having to use the Linux systems, so the company CEOs
tucked tail and ran back to the Windows.
I love the thought of Gates crying himself to sleep every ight for his
own stupidity. This immature little twat rich boy and Microsoft's
exceedingly arrogant CEO have destroyed their company. Their desire to
enslave everyone to their own control was the height of hubris. I say
death to Windows.

If we had started teaching some linux in grade school twenty years ago humanity would have produced a dozen IT-genius youngsters by now, none
of them offsprings of the 'let's enslave humanity for ourselves' _culture_.

Except business would have complained to government that schools weren't preparing students for real employment.

That's why IT classes are more about ppt presentations and document
formatting than writing a script.


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