• Are all PS/2 to USB splitter adapters bad for old PS/2 keyboards?

    From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, July 09, 2026 06:00:11
    Hello,

    Are all PS/2 to USB splitter adapters bad for old PS/2 keyboards? I have
    two different brands PS/2 to USB splitter adapters for my old PS/2
    keyboards & mouses for two different old home built PCs (updated Windows
    10 Pro. and Linux/Debian trixie stable [even in its text mode]). I
    didn't want to buy new mouses and keyboards since I have many old ones
    to use. I'm a fast typist on clicky keyboards, but I noticed results are
    not fast and good. When I hold a letter/number down and then press a
    Shift or Caps Lock key to show its opposite, the repeating results just
    stop showing (nothing show anymore). This is annoying when gaming like
    when I use W to move forward and want to use shift key. When I type
    fast, I get incorrect, missing, or duplicate characters.

    It's very annoying! PS/2 mouses are fine though! Are splitters not good
    and I have to get USB PC104 keyboards? :( Thank you for reading and
    hopefully answering soon. :)
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  • From VanguardLH@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, July 09, 2026 02:42:14
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Hello,

    Are all PS/2 to USB splitter adapters bad for old PS/2 keyboards? I have
    two different brands PS/2 to USB splitter adapters for my old PS/2
    keyboards & mouses for two different old home built PCs (updated Windows
    10 Pro. and Linux/Debian trixie stable [even in its text mode]). I
    didn't want to buy new mouses and keyboards since I have many old ones
    to use. I'm a fast typist on clicky keyboards, but I noticed results are
    not fast and good. When I hold a letter/number down and then press a
    Shift or Caps Lock key to show its opposite, the repeating results just
    stop showing (nothing show anymore). This is annoying when gaming like
    when I use W to move forward and want to use shift key. When I type
    fast, I get incorrect, missing, or duplicate characters.

    It's very annoying! PS/2 mouses are fine though! Are splitters not good
    and I have to get USB PC104 keyboards? :( Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    If you are trying to connect a USB-only device to a PS/2 port, the
    hardware protocols do not match. You either have to get devices that
    state they support both PS/2 and USB (they support both hardware
    protocols), or you need to get an active USB-to-PS2 cable which has
    inbuilt logic to convert between the hardware protocols. Passive cables
    do nothing for hardware protocol conversion.

    It's been a very long time since I looked at active USB-to-PS2 converter cables. Back then you could still buy keyboards and mice that stated
    they supported both USB and PS2. Nowadays finding those is tough as all manufacturers went to USB.

    Used to be the USB-to-PS2 converters were bulky boxes inline with the
    cables. Nowadays they look like a splitter cable with a bulge inline
    for the logic. From your description, you are trying to use PS/2
    keyboards and PS/2 mice to connect to a USB port. You can find them for
    not much money at various online stores, like:

    https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=active+usb+to+ps2+converter

    You need an active converter in the splitter adapter to do the logic in converting from PS/2 hardware protocol to the USB hardware protocol.
    They are not compatible without conversion. Simply rewiring the pinouts
    won't work as that does nothing to convert between hardware protocols.

    I take it you have no space USB port in the system case to which you
    could connect USB-only keyboards or USB-only mice. PS/2 is interrupt
    driven: the interrupt gets stacked, and quickly addressed. USB is a
    polled protocol. It a poll is missed on a mouse or keyboard event, it
    won't be until the next poll when the event is recognized. That's why
    some gamer systems still come with PS/2 backpanel ports on the mobo.
    Also, N-key rollover (how many keys you can concurrently press, and have
    all of them recognized) is higher with PS/2 devices. USB devices have
    small N-key rollover although they eventually upped the count. Used to
    be if you used one hand for 4 concurrent keypresses, and the other hand
    for another 4 concurrent keypresses that some were unrecognized with USB keyboards, but were all recognized for PS/2 keyboard. Besides hunting
    for USB-attached keyboards and mice that note they support both PS/2 and
    USB for which you could use passive USB-to-PS2 cables or splitters, you
    need to check the N-key rollover specified for the keyboards.

    The latest mechanical keyboard I got (Logitech K845) supports N-key
    rollover, but Logitech no longer specifies the number of concurrent
    keypresses. I think it is 8 or 10. For word processing, you rarely go
    beyond 4-key rollover, but for games you could exceed that with both
    hands using multiple fingers for several concurrent key combos, like
    crabbing to the left while angling forward while hitting a fire button
    while crouching and in sneak speed.

    N-key rollover means all the keys can be concurrently pressed on the
    keyboard, and all keys are recognized. Well, I don't remember any
    keyboard having 104-key rollover. They typically had about 10-key
    rollover. After all, with 10 fingers, that's the limit of how many keys
    you can concurrent press. Well, you could smash you hand onto the
    keyboard, but you wouldn't know what keypresses you activated. USB
    keyboard didn't have rollover, but most nowadays should have 6-key as
    that is the limit for the USB polling hardware protocol. To get more
    than 6-key rollover means the keyboard has to pretend to be a USB hub
    with multiple keyboards connected. The 6-key limit is a subset of the
    HIT protocol (boot protocol) meant for simplified use, like when in the
    BIOS config screens. There is a more featured report protocol that
    allows some arbitrary number of keys at once, but I never bothered to investigate that. I don't have fast-paced adrenalin pumping
    shoot-everything video games. Never had a problem with the 1 to 4 key
    rollover of a USB keyboard to a USB port when playing stealth games.

    https://www.devever.net/~hl/usbnkro

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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, July 09, 2026 06:35:56
    On Thu, 7/9/2026 2:00 AM, Ant wrote:
    Hello,

    Are all PS/2 to USB splitter adapters bad for old PS/2 keyboards? I have
    two different brands PS/2 to USB splitter adapters for my old PS/2
    keyboards & mouses for two different old home built PCs (updated Windows
    10 Pro. and Linux/Debian trixie stable [even in its text mode]). I
    didn't want to buy new mouses and keyboards since I have many old ones
    to use. I'm a fast typist on clicky keyboards, but I noticed results are
    not fast and good. When I hold a letter/number down and then press a
    Shift or Caps Lock key to show its opposite, the repeating results just
    stop showing (nothing show anymore). This is annoying when gaming like
    when I use W to move forward and want to use shift key. When I type
    fast, I get incorrect, missing, or duplicate characters.

    It's very annoying! PS/2 mouses are fine though! Are splitters not good
    and I have to get USB PC104 keyboards? :( Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)


    computer --- USB ----- PS/2 keyboard # Something in the path does 8042 emulation ?
    ----- PS/2 mouse

    There might not be many implementations of this silicon.
    It would appear as a composite device with two HIDs.

    There was one chip to do this, with mask ROM on the top layer
    of the chip. The first batch of chips were "defective" in that
    the device stopped responding after ten minutes or so.

    The next batch (with new mask ROM on the top layer), presumably
    fixed this issue.

    Versions were made, for PCI bus cards, consisting of a USB host
    chip plus the DIP packaged chip that does the conversion. By the time
    those were coming out, they would have the newer mask ROM on them.

    It's about as spooky an implementation as a KVM. Whatever is in the
    mask ROM, determines the response. If they had used an EEPROM inside
    the device, so that it could be flash upgraded, then it would
    likely have been a champ. If they had put an I2C chip interface
    on it, for an external EEPROM to be connected, there would similarly
    be a means to update how it runs inside.

    Just for contrast, I have a Griffin chip with Apple legacy AppleDesktopBus(ADB) interface on one end and USB on the other end, for a USB host computer.
    This allows legacy Apple keyboards to be used on a PC. The "Power" button on the keyboard, serves no function on a PC, but everything else works. And
    that device seems to have more on-the-ball than the PC-ecosystem chip.

    Summary: Just buy a USB keyboard. With the various clicky keys.
    There is never going to be a perfect adapter for the job.
    And the reason, is the inferior (cheap) silicon implementation.
    It should have had an EEPROM on it, to "rescue" the badness of the design.
    There is a processor inside the chip. And the mask firmware is how it does
    whatever it does for 8042? emulation.

    Paul

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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, July 09, 2026 21:00:58
    On 7/9/2026 2:00 PM, Ant wrote:
    Hello,

    Are all PS/2 to USB splitter adapters bad for old PS/2 keyboards? I have
    two different brands PS/2 to USB splitter adapters for my old PS/2
    ....
    It's very annoying! PS/2 mouses are fine though! Are splitters not good
    and I have to get USB PC104 keyboards? :( Thank you for reading and
    hopefully answering soon. :)

    Not answering your question directly:

    Amazon is still selling PS/2 to USB adapters.
    Save some time, just buy them and forget about
    that splitter. :)

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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 00:35:20
    On 7/9/2026 6:35 PM, Paul wrote:

    Summary: Just buy a USB keyboard. With the various clicky keys.

    kind of off-topic:

    Old PS/2 keybaords are less likely to have
    WIFI bugs than new USB keyboards. It's too
    easy to bridge a eavedropping device over
    a 5V USB plug. :)


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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, July 09, 2026 12:47:43
    On 7/9/2026 12:35 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 7/9/2026 6:35 PM, Paul wrote:

    Summary: Just buy a USB keyboard. With the various clicky keys.

    kind of off-topic:

    Old PS/2 keybaords are less likely to have
    WIFI bugs than new USB keyboards. It's too
    easy˙ to bridge a eavedropping device over
    a 5V USB plug. :)

    It's a serial interface device at 9600 baud.
    Hardly a good candidate for bugging.

    Paul




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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 01:00:03
    On 7/10/2026 12:47 AM, Paul wrote:
    On 7/9/2026 12:35 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 7/9/2026 6:35 PM, Paul wrote:

    Summary: Just buy a USB keyboard. With the various clicky keys.

    kind of off-topic:

    Old PS/2 keybaords are less likely to have
    WIFI bugs than new USB keyboards. It's too
    easy˙ to bridge a eavedropping device over
    a 5V USB plug. :)

    It's a serial interface device at 9600 baud.
    Hardly a good candidate for bugging.
    I am not so sure about this. You only
    need to listen to ASCII codes. 9600
    baud (or even slower) should be fast
    enough. :)

    ps/2 eavedropping - Google ?? <https://www.google.com/search?q=ps%2F2+eavedropping>

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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 00:44:31
    I think I am going to give up these old PS/2+USB adapters setup since
    three different old brands (Monoprice, Staples, and a no brand) and old
    PS/2 keyboards didn't work. Even either PS/2 keyboard and mouse would completely stopped working with adapters. Can't have both running now.
    :(

    Now, I am going to focus on getting a new USB-A keyboard. Which one
    though? Do I want wired or wireless (always typing on my desks)? I don't
    want to configure keys and use software like drivers and apps to use the keyboard. I'm old school and loved clicky standard PC104 keyboards with multiple computers (Windows, Linux, and maybe future Macs) since the
    early 90s. Yesterday, I received and set up a new IOGEAR 2-port full-HD
    KVM switch (HDMI & USB) to share a 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS
    VS247H-P monitor (LED; 2 ms, 9/2014, etc.), clicky keyboard, and a
    3-buttons optical mouse. I need to replace the old PS/2 keyboard with an
    USB. Mouse is easy since I already have a few USB-A optical mouses. Any recommendations on a good keyboard online that is low cost and easy to
    return in So., CA, USA? Seeing and trying out in person in retail stores
    would be nice, but they (e.g., Fry's Electronics) are gone. :(


    In alt.comp.periphs.keyboard Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    Hello,

    Are all PS/2 to USB splitter adapters bad for old PS/2 keyboards? I have
    two different brands PS/2 to USB splitter adapters for my old PS/2
    keyboards & mouses for two different old home built PCs (updated Windows
    10 Pro. and Linux/Debian trixie stable [even in its text mode]). I
    didn't want to buy new mouses and keyboards since I have many old ones
    to use. I'm a fast typist on clicky keyboards, but I noticed results are
    not fast and good. When I hold a letter/number down and then press a
    Shift or Caps Lock key to show its opposite, the repeating results just
    stop showing (nothing show anymore). This is annoying when gaming like
    when I use W to move forward and want to use shift key. When I type
    fast, I get incorrect, missing, or duplicate characters.

    It's very annoying! PS/2 mouses are fine though! Are splitters not good
    and I have to get USB PC104 keyboards? :( Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 00:46:46
    In alt.comp.periphs.keyboard Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 7/9/2026 2:00 PM, Ant wrote:
    Hello,

    Are all PS/2 to USB splitter adapters bad for old PS/2 keyboards? I have two different brands PS/2 to USB splitter adapters for my old PS/2
    ....
    It's very annoying! PS/2 mouses are fine though! Are splitters not good
    and I have to get USB PC104 keyboards? :( Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    Not answering your question directly:

    Amazon is still selling PS/2 to USB adapters.
    Save some time, just buy them and forget about
    that splitter. :)

    Are you saying these will fix my issues?
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  • From VanguardLH@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, July 09, 2026 21:29:04
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Now, I am going to focus on getting a new USB-A keyboard. Which one
    though?

    Mechanical keyboards tend to be pricey. I used to have a Rosewill
    mechanical keyboard, but one day I smashed it too hard. Usually a
    keycap would pop off that I could press back on, or the wire bail under
    the spacebar key had to get reseated, but one time I hit it too hard,
    and needed a new keyboard. Rosewill was no longer producing a
    mechanical keyboard, so I had to look elsewhere, and the prices for
    mechanicals was too high. I keep a spare keyboard for when I break the
    current one. I then got the Logitech K845 for around $54 back in
    December 2025 at Walmart. Now it's $60. It's even more pricey at
    Newegg ($80).

    The K845 does not have the bottoms of its keycaps below the deck of the keyboard; that is, the keycaps do not extend down into the keyboard's
    case. Instead the bottom of the keycaps are about 1/4" above the deck.
    This makes if far easier to clean debris from under the keys either by
    using a tweezers, or just blowing with a can of compressed air.

    Do I want wired or wireless (always typing on my desks)?

    If your keyboard isn't moving, there's no point is bothering with
    wireless hookups, and having to replace a battery that eventually dies
    in the keyboard (but keyboard operation gets flaky when the battery gets
    weak). The K845 is wired.

    I don't want to configure keys and use software like drivers and apps
    to use the keyboard.

    There are no programmable keys on the K845, so no extra software is
    required to program the non-existent programmable keys.

    There are media keys on the K845, so technically this is a media
    keyboard: web search, calculator, music play, rev/pause/fwd, volume up/down/mute, along with keys to control lighting. This is a lighted
    keyboard (USB port provides the power), so you can see the keycaps in a
    dim or dark room, or if you're shadowing the light from behind you.

    No software is required to use the media keys. You press FN+Fkey for
    the media keys that share the F-keys. These are the standard scan codes
    that are pre-registered in the Windows registry for those events (and
    you could edit the registry to start other events or programs). A
    couple of the Fn key combos control the lighting: Fn+F1 dims the light intensity, Fn+F2 increases intensity, and Fn+F12 changes the lighting
    effects (on, off, snaking across the keys, etc). They could've used 1
    key to toggle between the various lighting settings. I don't use any of
    the lighting effects, and just have the lighting at max intensity.
    There are no instructions with the keyboard, so I had to discover what
    the other Fn+Fkey "media" keys did.

    I used Sharpkeys to redefine a couple other keys (PrintScreen and
    ScrollLock which I never use) to replace the missing Fn+F1 combo for Web (brings up web browser) and Fn+F2 combo for e-mail (brings up default
    e-mail client), but you don't have to bother with with redefining any
    keys if you only need to use the mouse to click on shortcuts to load
    your web and e-mail clients, like pinning icons to the taskbar.

    I'm old school and loved clicky standard PC104 keyboards with
    multiple computers (Windows, Linux, and maybe future Macs) since the
    early 90s.

    The K845 that I got has blue key switches. That gives me the tactile
    feel that I like, but it is a clacky keyboard. I prefer a quiet
    keyboard, but this makes the noise you like. Because I'm a fast typist,
    others have commented is sounds like a Geiger counter at my workstation.

    Any recommendations on a good keyboard online that is low cost and
    easy to return in So., CA, USA?

    If a mechanical keyboard isn't a requirement for you, look at the cheap membrane keyboards. I've used several of the Logitech K120 (had to get
    another after smashing during frustrating game play) which are cheap at
    around $15, and $10 at Target, but you'd have to check on shipping cost. However, the K120 is a membrane keyboard, so no clacky noise that you
    want.

    Seeing and trying out in person in retail stores would be nice, but
    they (e.g., Fry's Electronics) are gone. :(

    In my area, all the brick-n-morter computer stores disappeared. Nowhere
    to go to tryout the keyboards. There is one shop, MicroCenter, that
    does have a few keyboards for demo, but not all keyboards are available.
    In your area, Fry Electronics liquidated a few years ago. At office and
    retail stores selling keyboards (e.g., Staples, Walmart), they're in
    boxes, and unboxing them to test them is probably frowned upon,
    especially if you have to break shrink wrap or seals to get inside the
    boxes.

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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 04:48:20
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Now, I am going to focus on getting a new USB-A keyboard. Which one though?

    Mechanical keyboards tend to be pricey. I used to have a Rosewill
    mechanical keyboard, but one day I smashed it too hard. Usually a
    keycap would pop off that I could press back on, or the wire bail under
    the spacebar key had to get reseated, but one time I hit it too hard,
    and needed a new keyboard. Rosewill was no longer producing a
    mechanical keyboard, so I had to look elsewhere, and the prices for mechanicals was too high. I keep a spare keyboard for when I break the current one. I then got the Logitech K845 for around $54 back in
    December 2025 at Walmart. Now it's $60. It's even more pricey at
    Newegg ($80).

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Mechanical-Illuminated-Keyboard-Adjustable/dp/B086YD9Z2X/ref=sr_1_1
    shows $59.90.


    The K845 does not have the bottoms of its keycaps below the deck of the keyboard; that is, the keycaps do not extend down into the keyboard's
    case. Instead the bottom of the keycaps are about 1/4" above the deck.
    This makes if far easier to clean debris from under the keys either by
    using a tweezers, or just blowing with a can of compressed air.

    But how do they feel like the old clicky keyboards?


    Do I want wired or wireless (always typing on my desks)?

    If your keyboard isn't moving, there's no point is bothering with
    wireless hookups, and having to replace a battery that eventually dies
    in the keyboard (but keyboard operation gets flaky when the battery gets weak). The K845 is wired.

    Ah, OK. I go wired USB-A. Hmm, I don't like those abbreviated letters
    (HM, SL, PB, etc.) on above of the arrow keys section.


    I don't want to configure keys and use software like drivers and apps
    to use the keyboard.

    There are no programmable keys on the K845, so no extra software is
    required to program the non-existent programmable keys.

    There are media keys on the K845, so technically this is a media
    keyboard: web search, calculator, music play, rev/pause/fwd, volume up/down/mute, along with keys to control lighting. This is a lighted keyboard (USB port provides the power), so you can see the keycaps in a
    dim or dark room, or if you're shadowing the light from behind you.

    No software is required to use the media keys. You press FN+Fkey for
    the media keys that share the F-keys. These are the standard scan codes
    that are pre-registered in the Windows registry for those events (and
    you could edit the registry to start other events or programs). A
    couple of the Fn key combos control the lighting: Fn+F1 dims the light intensity, Fn+F2 increases intensity, and Fn+F12 changes the lighting
    effects (on, off, snaking across the keys, etc). They could've used 1
    key to toggle between the various lighting settings. I don't use any of
    the lighting effects, and just have the lighting at max intensity.
    There are no instructions with the keyboard, so I had to discover what
    the other Fn+Fkey "media" keys did.

    I used Sharpkeys to redefine a couple other keys (PrintScreen and
    ScrollLock which I never use) to replace the missing Fn+F1 combo for Web (brings up web browser) and Fn+F2 combo for e-mail (brings up default
    e-mail client), but you don't have to bother with with redefining any
    keys if you only need to use the mouse to click on shortcuts to load
    your web and e-mail clients, like pinning icons to the taskbar.

    I'm old school and loved clicky standard PC104 keyboards with
    multiple computers (Windows, Linux, and maybe future Macs) since the
    early 90s.

    The K845 that I got has blue key switches. That gives me the tactile
    feel that I like, but it is a clacky keyboard. I prefer a quiet
    keyboard, but this makes the noise you like. Because I'm a fast typist, others have commented is sounds like a Geiger counter at my workstation.

    My friends say I type loud and fast like a machine gun. LOL.


    Any recommendations on a good keyboard online that is low cost and
    easy to return in So., CA, USA?

    If a mechanical keyboard isn't a requirement for you, look at the cheap membrane keyboards. I've used several of the Logitech K120 (had to get another after smashing during frustrating game play) which are cheap at around $15, and $10 at Target, but you'd have to check on shipping cost. However, the K120 is a membrane keyboard, so no clacky noise that you
    want.

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Keyboard-Windows-Optical-Full-Size/dp/B003NREDC8/ref=sr_1_1
    has it for $17.77 and comes with an optical USB mouse (no option for not including the mouse?). That's not a bad price. Also, high ratings with
    over 22.5K! I have too many mouses including Logitech's! I guess I could
    use it as a back up. :P I am OK if less audio noises. Does it feel good
    when typing like those old school clicky keyboards though?


    Seeing and trying out in person in retail stores would be nice, but
    they (e.g., Fry's Electronics) are gone. :(

    In my area, all the brick-n-morter computer stores disappeared. Nowhere
    to go to tryout the keyboards. There is one shop, MicroCenter, that
    does have a few keyboards for demo, but not all keyboards are available.
    In your area, Fry Electronics liquidated a few years ago. At office and retail stores selling keyboards (e.g., Staples, Walmart), they're in
    boxes, and unboxing them to test them is probably frowned upon,
    especially if you have to break shrink wrap or seals to get inside the
    boxes.

    Yeah, it sucks. I miss the old days. I used to love to see, try, and buy in person! :(
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  • From VanguardLH@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 00:56:26
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Now, I am going to focus on getting a new USB-A keyboard. Which one
    though?

    I got the Logitech K845 for around $54 back in December 2025 at
    Walmart. Now it's $60. It's even more pricey at Newegg ($80).

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Mechanical-Illuminated-Keyboard-Adjustable/dp/B086YD9Z2X/ref=sr_1_1
    shows $59.90.

    Same as the current Walmart price.

    If the seller is Walmart, and there is a problem with the device, you
    can return to a local Walmart store; however, many times they've paid
    the return shipping, so I dropped off the package at a Walgreens about 4
    blocks from me that had a Fedex dropoff. Amazon may have a similar
    policy for returns (and probably don't need to be a Prime member).
    Returning to a local Walmart store is still a bit faster than shipping.

    The K845 does not have the bottoms of its keycaps below the deck of the
    keyboard; that is, the keycaps do not extend down into the keyboard's
    case. Instead the bottom of the keycaps are about 1/4" above the deck.
    This makes if far easier to clean debris from under the keys either by
    using a tweezers, or just blowing with a can of compressed air.

    But how do they feel like the old clicky keyboards?

    Read up on blue, brown, red, and black key switches. They have
    different tactile responses, and different noise levels. The blue keys,
    like I have, are closest to tactile feel and noise as were the old
    Northgate keyboards.

    Any recommendations on a good keyboard online that is low cost and
    easy to return in So., CA, USA?

    If a mechanical keyboard isn't a requirement for you, look at the
    cheap membrane keyboards. I've used several of the Logitech K120
    (had to get another after smashing during frustrating game play)
    which are cheap at around $15, and $10 at Target, but you'd have to
    check on shipping cost. However, the K120 is a membrane keyboard, so
    no clacky noise that you want.

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Keyboard-Windows-Optical-Full-Size/dp/B003NREDC8/ref=sr_1_1
    has it for $17.77 and comes with an optical USB mouse (no option for not including the mouse?).

    Pretty much they're giving away the mouse. That's the MK120 model. I
    focused on just the keyboard that you asked about (K120).

    If you are not an Amazon Prime member, remember there will be a shipping
    charge for orders under $35. Are you ordering LOTS from Amazon to
    qualify the $15/month fee for their Prime "deal"?

    Also, you specifically asked for a noisy/clacky keyboard. The MK120
    (which includes the K120 keyboard) is a *membrane* keyboard. It has a
    spongy feel compared to mechanical switches. The membrane is a silicone
    sheet with indentations that contain carbon. When you press the key, it presses down on the membrane, and the carbon spot touches the split
    semicircle foil on the PCB to short the contact to register a keypress.
    The only tactile feel you get with membrane keyboards is the flexing of
    the indentation (to collapse it into itself which is when you feel the
    "give" of the keystroke). You asked for something like the old ones you
    have. Those are probably mechanical keyboards. You'll find membrane
    keyboards to feel mushy, and be quiet instead of clacky.

    Does it feel good
    when typing like those old school clicky keyboards though?

    Nope. Membrane keyboards will feel mushy compared to mechanical
    keyboards. They can falsely feel like the key got pressed, but you
    didn't push far enough to get the carbon to contact the PCB. I type
    VERY fast, and membrane keyboards just couldn't keep up, so I'd lose keystrokes. Luckily, since I touch type, I watch the monitor instead of
    my fingers, so I can see if what I felt to press actually shows up on
    the screen.

    If you're in an office scenario with lots of cubicles with each having 1
    to 4 keyboards, the clacking of mechanical keyboards can be deafening.
    Often membrane keyboards are used in that scenario to reduce noise.
    Home users get membrane keyboards, because they are cheap (both the user
    on price and the keyboard on quality and durability). You get what you
    pay for. However, regarding mechanical keyboards, there are some good
    ones for under $100, but most cost more.

    If you cannot afford, or are unwilling to pay, the cost of a mechanical keyboard, go with membrane, but be ready for softer feel and quiet.

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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 03:29:24
    On Thu, 7/9/2026 8:44 PM, Ant wrote:
    I think I am going to give up these old PS/2+USB adapters setup since
    three different old brands (Monoprice, Staples, and a no brand) and old
    PS/2 keyboards didn't work. Even either PS/2 keyboard and mouse would completely stopped working with adapters. Can't have both running now.
    :(

    Now, I am going to focus on getting a new USB-A keyboard. Which one
    though? Do I want wired or wireless (always typing on my desks)? I don't want to configure keys and use software like drivers and apps to use the keyboard. I'm old school and loved clicky standard PC104 keyboards with multiple computers (Windows, Linux, and maybe future Macs) since the
    early 90s. Yesterday, I received and set up a new IOGEAR 2-port full-HD
    KVM switch (HDMI & USB) to share a 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS
    VS247H-P monitor (LED; 2 ms, 9/2014, etc.), clicky keyboard, and a
    3-buttons optical mouse. I need to replace the old PS/2 keyboard with an USB. Mouse is easy since I already have a few USB-A optical mouses. Any recommendations on a good keyboard online that is low cost and easy to return in So., CA, USA? Seeing and trying out in person in retail stores would be nice, but they (e.g., Fry's Electronics) are gone. :(


    In alt.comp.periphs.keyboard Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    Hello,

    Are all PS/2 to USB splitter adapters bad for old PS/2 keyboards? I have
    two different brands PS/2 to USB splitter adapters for my old PS/2
    keyboards & mouses for two different old home built PCs (updated Windows
    10 Pro. and Linux/Debian trixie stable [even in its text mode]). I
    didn't want to buy new mouses and keyboards since I have many old ones
    to use. I'm a fast typist on clicky keyboards, but I noticed results are
    not fast and good. When I hold a letter/number down and then press a
    Shift or Caps Lock key to show its opposite, the repeating results just
    stop showing (nothing show anymore). This is annoying when gaming like
    when I use W to move forward and want to use shift key. When I type
    fast, I get incorrect, missing, or duplicate characters.

    It's very annoying! PS/2 mouses are fine though! Are splitters not good
    and I have to get USB PC104 keyboards? :( Thank you for reading and
    hopefully answering soon. :)

    You probably know as much about keyboards as anyone in a keyboard group.

    My experience is, tapping on the item (key travel, action) or seeing it in person, may lead
    to a better buying experience.

    And absolutely you should get a USB PC104, and avoid the PS/2 converter thing.

    It could have been different, if more than one manufacturer made the PS/2 converter,
    and one of them had made a flash upgrade adapter so continued refinements could have been made to the adapter. But as long as the design is mask-ROM, that's going
    to limit the ability to make the best possible adapter.

    Paul


    Paul

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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, July 11, 2026 00:58:20
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

    Now, I am going to focus on getting a new USB-A keyboard. Which one
    though?

    I got the Logitech K845 for around $54 back in December 2025 at
    Walmart. Now it's $60. It's even more pricey at Newegg ($80).

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Mechanical-Illuminated-Keyboard-Adjustable/dp/B086YD9Z2X/ref=sr_1_1
    shows $59.90.

    Same as the current Walmart price.

    If the seller is Walmart, and there is a problem with the device, you
    can return to a local Walmart store; however, many times they've paid
    the return shipping, so I dropped off the package at a Walgreens about 4 blocks from me that had a Fedex dropoff. Amazon may have a similar
    policy for returns (and probably don't need to be a Prime member).
    Returning to a local Walmart store is still a bit faster than shipping.

    I agree. I might try https://www.target.com/p/logitech-k120-ergonomic-desktop-usb-keyboard-black-920-002478/-/A-21502870
    since local stores have it. If it doesn't work well, then back to the
    store and I go look for a better keyboard.


    The K845 does not have the bottoms of its keycaps below the deck of the
    keyboard; that is, the keycaps do not extend down into the keyboard's
    case. Instead the bottom of the keycaps are about 1/4" above the deck.
    This makes if far easier to clean debris from under the keys either by
    using a tweezers, or just blowing with a can of compressed air.

    But how do they feel like the old clicky keyboards?

    Read up on blue, brown, red, and black key switches. They have
    different tactile responses, and different noise levels. The blue keys,
    like I have, are closest to tactile feel and noise as were the old
    Northgate keyboards.

    I really wished I could try each one out in person before buying. :(


    Any recommendations on a good keyboard online that is low cost and
    easy to return in So., CA, USA?

    If a mechanical keyboard isn't a requirement for you, look at the
    cheap membrane keyboards. I've used several of the Logitech K120
    (had to get another after smashing during frustrating game play)
    which are cheap at around $15, and $10 at Target, but you'd have to
    check on shipping cost. However, the K120 is a membrane keyboard, so
    no clacky noise that you want.

    https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Keyboard-Windows-Optical-Full-Size/dp/B003NREDC8/ref=sr_1_1
    has it for $17.77 and comes with an optical USB mouse (no option for not including the mouse?).

    Pretty much they're giving away the mouse. That's the MK120 model. I focused on just the keyboard that you asked about (K120).

    https://www.target.com/p/logitech-k120-ergonomic-desktop-usb-keyboard-black-920-002478/-/A-21502870
    is in my local stores! I can buy one and return if not good easily.


    If you are not an Amazon Prime member, remember there will be a shipping charge for orders under $35. Are you ordering LOTS from Amazon to
    qualify the $15/month fee for their Prime "deal"?

    I don't have Prime.


    Also, you specifically asked for a noisy/clacky keyboard. The MK120
    (which includes the K120 keyboard) is a *membrane* keyboard. It has a
    spongy feel compared to mechanical switches. The membrane is a silicone sheet with indentations that contain carbon. When you press the key, it presses down on the membrane, and the carbon spot touches the split semicircle foil on the PCB to short the contact to register a keypress.
    The only tactile feel you get with membrane keyboards is the flexing of
    the indentation (to collapse it into itself which is when you feel the
    "give" of the keystroke). You asked for something like the old ones you have. Those are probably mechanical keyboards. You'll find membrane keyboards to feel mushy, and be quiet instead of clacky.

    Hmm. I really hate the laptop/notebook keyboards like from Apple. I do
    like the old clicky keyboards like old Dell 104-key PS/2 Dell Model
    SK-8110 keyboard I got from my former employer's etrash over a decade
    ago). My co(worker/lleague)s hated my loud typings as if they were
    machine gun shots. Heh.


    Does it feel good
    when typing like those old school clicky keyboards though?

    Nope. Membrane keyboards will feel mushy compared to mechanical
    keyboards. They can falsely feel like the key got pressed, but you
    didn't push far enough to get the carbon to contact the PCB. I type
    VERY fast, and membrane keyboards just couldn't keep up, so I'd lose keystrokes. Luckily, since I touch type, I watch the monitor instead of
    my fingers, so I can see if what I felt to press actually shows up on
    the screen.

    Argh!!!!! This might be a problem for me.


    If you're in an office scenario with lots of cubicles with each having 1
    to 4 keyboards, the clacking of mechanical keyboards can be deafening.
    Often membrane keyboards are used in that scenario to reduce noise.
    Home users get membrane keyboards, because they are cheap (both the user
    on price and the keyboard on quality and durability). You get what you
    pay for. However, regarding mechanical keyboards, there are some good
    ones for under $100, but most cost more.

    If you cannot afford, or are unwilling to pay, the cost of a mechanical keyboard, go with membrane, but be ready for softer feel and quiet.

    I am going to try K120 from Target first. If it is no good, then I'll
    return it and buy a better keyboard like Keychron C2 Pro Wired
    Mechanical Keyboard: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F2FBM5RG from https://reddit.com/r/keyboards/comments/1us5eid/looking_for_a_new_usba_pc104_keyboard/owown6h/.
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  • From VanguardLH@3:633/10 to All on Friday, July 10, 2026 21:00:20
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Mechanical Keyboard: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F2FBM5RG

    In your Subject, you said you wanted a USB-A keyboard. That one has a
    USB-C connector. You'll need to get an adapter, or replace their USB-C
    cable with a USB-C to USB-A cable, or use up a spare USB-C port on your computer if you have one.

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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 12, 2026 09:30:40
    On 7/10/2026 8:44 AM, Ant wrote:
    I think I am going to give up these old PS/2+USB adapters setup since
    three different old brands (Monoprice, Staples, and a no brand) and old
    PS/2 keyboards didn't work. Even either PS/2 keyboard and mouse would completely stopped working with adapters. Can't have both running now.
    :(

    Now, I am going to focus on getting a new USB-A keyboard. Which one
    though? Do I want wired or wireless ....

    If you don't wanna worry about security and fire
    hazard, shy away from wireless with built-in,
    fixed, hidden rechargeable lithium batteries.

    Amazon.com : 89% keyboard white <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=89%25+keyboard+white>


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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 12, 2026 09:41:31
    On 7/10/2026 8:46 AM, Ant wrote:
    In alt.comp.periphs.keyboard Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 7/9/2026 2:00 PM, Ant wrote:
    Hello,

    Are all PS/2 to USB splitter adapters bad for old PS/2 keyboards? I have >>> two different brands PS/2 to USB splitter adapters for my old PS/2
    ....
    It's very annoying! PS/2 mouses are fine though! Are splitters not good
    and I have to get USB PC104 keyboards? :( Thank you for reading and
    hopefully answering soon. :)

    Not answering your question directly:

    Amazon is still selling PS/2 to USB adapters.
    Save some time, just buy them and forget about
    that splitter. :)

    Are you saying these will fix my issues?


    Keep them in your shelf. See if you might
    be able figure out what went wrong in the
    near future. :)

    In the meantime, get a cheap USB keyboard
    to resume your jobs (as you possiblye had
    decided).


    BTW, I have two Rockfire gameport-to-USB
    adapters to connect an old Thrustmaster
    FCS+WCS flight sticks. :)


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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 12, 2026 11:21:09
    On 7/10/2026 8:44 AM, Ant wrote:
    I think I am going to give up these old PS/2+USB adapters setup since
    three different old brands (Monoprice, Staples, and a no brand) and old
    PS/2 keyboards didn't work. Even either PS/2 keyboard and mouse would completely stopped working with adapters. Can't have both running now.
    :(

    Now, I am going to focus on getting a new USB-A keyboard. Which one
    though? Do I want wired or wireless ....

    If you don't wanna worry about security and fire
    hazard, shy away from wireless with built-in,
    fixed, hidden rechargeable lithium batteries.

    You don't have to buy a complete PC104(?).

    Have you ever considerd a combo of shorter
    keyboard and detached numpaad? That way,
    your palms would be less stressed and
    avoid the so-called tunnel syndrome!!

    Amazon.com : tkl keyboard white
    <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=tkl+keyboard+white>

    (T.K.L. = Ten Key Less, aka NumPad)

    Amazon.com : usb numpad
    <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+numpad>

    Amazon.com : 89% keyboard white <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=89%25+keyboard+white>

    pc104 keyboard - Google ??
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=pc104+keyboard>

    tunnel syndrome - Google ??
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=tunnel+syndrome>

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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 00:36:23
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 7/10/2026 8:46 AM, Ant wrote:
    In alt.comp.periphs.keyboard Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 7/9/2026 2:00 PM, Ant wrote:
    Hello,

    Are all PS/2 to USB splitter adapters bad for old PS/2 keyboards? I have >>> two different brands PS/2 to USB splitter adapters for my old PS/2
    ....
    It's very annoying! PS/2 mouses are fine though! Are splitters not good >>> and I have to get USB PC104 keyboards? :( Thank you for reading and
    hopefully answering soon. :)

    Not answering your question directly:

    Amazon is still selling PS/2 to USB adapters.
    Save some time, just buy them and forget about
    that splitter. :)

    Are you saying these will fix my issues?

    Keep them in your shelf. See if you might
    be able figure out what went wrong in the
    near future. :)

    For now. I need to get rid of my old stuff like serial and its knob
    switch box, parallel, PS/2, external dial-up modems, cables, etc. Ugh.


    In the meantime, get a cheap USB keyboard
    to resume your jobs (as you possiblye had
    decided).

    Yesterday, I got Logitech's K120 model from my local Target store (https://www.target.com/p/logitech-k120-ergonomic-desktop-usb-keyboard-black-920-002478/-/A-21502870).
    It took me awhile I find it since they (4) were buried low on the shelf!
    These are hot sellers, but why put down there? Sheesh! :P

    Anyways, I'll have to get used to it. Keys are like slippery which I am
    not used to. Maybe I should add honey or something over my keyboard, but
    that would be gross and attract Argentine ants, and void my return and warranty. :P At least, I can finally type faster and better than the old
    Dell 104-key PS/2 Dell Model SK-8110 and other keyboards with PS/2
    splitter adapters.

    Both my old PCs (Debian/Linux and W10 Pro.) are working fine. No reboots needed too unlike PS/2. I swapped my old mouses too with KVM since I
    wanted to use my Amazon Basics (have to get used to it too). I currently
    have 30 days to return this keyboard if I hate it to get a better USB-A
    PC104 clicky keyboard. I feel like I have a new complete computer system
    right now after last week's tedious cleaning, new KVM, keyboard, and
    mouse.


    BTW, I have two Rockfire gameport-to-USB
    adapters to connect an old Thrustmaster
    FCS+WCS flight sticks. :)

    Does it work well? I got rid of my gameport joysticks decades ago. I had
    Kraft KC3 joystick:
    https://duckduckgo.com/?kl=us-en&q=kraft+kc3+joystick
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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 00:38:02
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 7/10/2026 8:44 AM, Ant wrote:
    I think I am going to give up these old PS/2+USB adapters setup since
    three different old brands (Monoprice, Staples, and a no brand) and old PS/2 keyboards didn't work. Even either PS/2 keyboard and mouse would completely stopped working with adapters. Can't have both running now.
    :(

    Now, I am going to focus on getting a new USB-A keyboard. Which one
    though? Do I want wired or wireless ....

    If you don't wanna worry about security and fire
    hazard, shy away from wireless with built-in,
    fixed, hidden rechargeable lithium batteries.

    You don't have to buy a complete PC104(?).

    Have you ever considerd a combo of shorter
    keyboard and detached numpaad? That way,
    your palms would be less stressed and
    avoid the so-called tunnel syndrome!!

    Amazon.com : tkl keyboard white <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=tkl+keyboard+white>

    (T.K.L. = Ten Key Less, aka NumPad)

    Amazon.com : usb numpad
    <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+numpad>

    Amazon.com : 89% keyboard white <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=89%25+keyboard+white>

    pc104 keyboard - Google ??
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=pc104+keyboard>

    tunnel syndrome - Google ??
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=tunnel+syndrome>

    Yesterday, I got Logitech's K120 model from my local Target store (https://www.target.com/p/logitech-k120-ergonomic-desktop-usb-keyboard-black-920-002478/-/A-21502870). It took me awhile I find it since they (4) were buried low on the shelf! These are hot sellers, but why put down there? Sheesh! :P

    Anyways, I'll have to get used to it. Keys are like slippery which I am not used to. Maybe I should add honey or something over my keyboard, but that would be gross and attract Argentine ants, and void my return and warranty. :P At least, I can finally type faster and better than the old Dell 104-key PS/2 Dell Model SK-8110 and other keyboards with PS/2 splitter adapters.

    Both my old PCs (Debian/Linux and W10 Pro.) are working fine. No reboots needed too unlike PS/2. I swapped my old mouses too with KVM since I wanted to use my Amazon Basics (have to get used to it too). I currently have 30 days to return this keyboard if I hate it to get a better USB-A PC104 clicky keyboard. I feel like I have a new complete computer system right now after last week's tedious cleaning, new KVM, keyboard, and mouse.
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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 00:38:44
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Mechanical Keyboard: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F2FBM5RG

    In your Subject, you said you wanted a USB-A keyboard. That one has a
    USB-C connector. You'll need to get an adapter, or replace their USB-C
    cable with a USB-C to USB-A cable, or use up a spare USB-C port on your computer if you have one.

    I decided not to get it for now. Yesterday, I got Logitech's K120 model
    from my local Target store (https://www.target.com/p/logitech-k120-ergonomic-desktop-usb-keyboard-black-920-002478/-/A-21502870).
    It took me awhile I find it since they (4) were buried low on the shelf!
    These are hot sellers, but why put down there? Sheesh! :P

    Anyways, I'll have to get used to it. Keys are like slippery which I am
    not used to. Maybe I should add honey or something over my keyboard, but
    that would be gross and attract Argentine ants, and void my return and warranty. :P At least, I can finally type faster and better than the old
    Dell 104-key PS/2 Dell Model SK-8110 and other keyboards with PS/2
    splitter adapters.

    Both my old PCs (Debian/Linux and W10 Pro.) are working fine. No reboots needed too unlike PS/2. I swapped my old mouses too with KVM since I
    wanted to use my Amazon Basics (have to get used to it too). I currently
    have 30 days to return this keyboard if I hate it to get a better USB-A
    PC104 clicky keyboard. I feel like I have a new complete computer system
    right now after last week's tedious cleaning, new KVM, keyboard, and
    mouse.
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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 00:39:29
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 7/10/2026 8:44 AM, Ant wrote:
    I think I am going to give up these old PS/2+USB adapters setup since
    three different old brands (Monoprice, Staples, and a no brand) and old PS/2 keyboards didn't work. Even either PS/2 keyboard and mouse would completely stopped working with adapters. Can't have both running now.
    :(

    Now, I am going to focus on getting a new USB-A keyboard. Which one
    though? Do I want wired or wireless ....

    If you don't wanna worry about security and fire
    hazard, shy away from wireless with built-in,
    fixed, hidden rechargeable lithium batteries.

    Amazon.com : 89% keyboard white <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=89%25+keyboard+white>

    Yesterday, I got Logitech's K120 model from my local Target store (https://www.target.com/p/logitech-k120-ergonomic-desktop-usb-keyboard-black-920-002478/-/A-21502870).
    It took me awhile I find it since they (4) were buried low on the shelf!
    These are hot sellers, but why put down there? Sheesh! :P

    Anyways, I'll have to get used to it. Keys are like slippery which I am
    not used to. Maybe I should add honey or something over my keyboard, but
    that would be gross and attract Argentine ants, and void my return and warranty. :P At least, I can finally type faster and better than the old
    Dell 104-key PS/2 Dell Model SK-8110 and other keyboards with PS/2
    splitter adapters.

    Both my old PCs (Debian/Linux and W10 Pro.) are working fine. No reboots needed too unlike PS/2. I swapped my old mouses too with KVM since I
    wanted to use my Amazon Basics (have to get used to it too). I currently
    have 30 days to return this keyboard if I hate it to get a better USB-A
    PC104 clicky keyboard. I feel like I have a new complete computer system
    right now after last week's tedious cleaning, new KVM, keyboard, and
    mouse.
    --
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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, July 12, 2026 22:10:57
    On Sun, 7/12/2026 8:38 PM, Ant wrote:
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Mechanical Keyboard: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F2FBM5RG

    In your Subject, you said you wanted a USB-A keyboard. That one has a
    USB-C connector. You'll need to get an adapter, or replace their USB-C
    cable with a USB-C to USB-A cable, or use up a spare USB-C port on your
    computer if you have one.

    I decided not to get it for now. Yesterday, I got Logitech's K120 model
    from my local Target store (https://www.target.com/p/logitech-k120-ergonomic-desktop-usb-keyboard-black-920-002478/-/A-21502870).
    It took me awhile I find it since they (4) were buried low on the shelf! These are hot sellers, but why put down there? Sheesh! :P

    Anyways, I'll have to get used to it. Keys are like slippery which I am
    not used to. Maybe I should add honey or something over my keyboard, but that would be gross and attract Argentine ants, and void my return and warranty. :P At least, I can finally type faster and better than the old Dell 104-key PS/2 Dell Model SK-8110 and other keyboards with PS/2
    splitter adapters.

    Both my old PCs (Debian/Linux and W10 Pro.) are working fine. No reboots needed too unlike PS/2. I swapped my old mouses too with KVM since I
    wanted to use my Amazon Basics (have to get used to it too). I currently have 30 days to return this keyboard if I hate it to get a better USB-A PC104 clicky keyboard. I feel like I have a new complete computer system right now after last week's tedious cleaning, new KVM, keyboard, and
    mouse.


    Logitech don't sell replacement keycaps, but they do have a web page regarding maintenance.

    https://www.logitech.com/en-us/discover/a/keycap-replacement-guide

    Then mention a keycap removal tool, versus "just prying on it". Some
    keycaps are insulted easily, and the right tool may do a better job of it.

    But as for market prices for keycaps, the fools sell them one by one,
    which you know isn't economic. They should quote a set. And some of the
    larger keys with stabilizer wires, are harder to fit (and that's assuming
    they stock those items).

    I think all my keyboards here are slippy. If the keys were textured,
    the texturing would wear off in no time. Be careful what you wish for,
    in other words. Part of being slippy as a keycap, is
    reducing (but not eliminating) surface wear. My "A","S","E" are almost
    gone. As you would expect, the higher frequency keys are the ones you
    might put a new keycap on.

    On the $65 keyboard, there are no signs of wear yet.

    Paul

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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 14:48:02
    On 7/13/2026 8:36 AM, Ant wrote:

    BTW, I have two Rockfire gameport-to-USB
    adapters to connect an old Thrustmaster
    FCS+WCS flight sticks. :)

    Does it work well? I got rid of my gameport joysticks decades ago. I had Kraft KC3 joystick:
    https://duckduckgo.com/?kl=us-en&q=kraft+kc3+joystick


    They are fine. But the buttons are tied to old
    AT keyboard method and needed a DOS driver. So
    they are totally useless. The Rockfire USB
    adapater does NOT 100% convert the combo
    completely!! The hatswitch of the FCS will
    not work if WCS is attached.

    As the old FCS is working fine. I think I
    only need the new USB Hotas TWCS Throttle.

    DOS Days - ThrustMaster <https://dosdays.co.uk/topics/Manufacturers/thrustmaster.php>

    WCS Mark II
    <https://tmoldest.racesimcentral.net/service/wcs.htm>
    Thrustmaster WCS Mk II Throttle converted to USB - details here - SimHQ
    Forums <https://simhq.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4568006/thrustmaster-wcs-mk-ii-throttle-converted-to-usb-details-here>

    Reading hat switches on PC gameport joysticks | Dave Nunez Blog v2.0 <https://davenunez.wordpress.com/2014/02/22/reading-hat-switches-on-pc-gameport-joysticks/>

    Amazon.com: Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle (Compatible with PC) <https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960754-Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle/dp/B01L28LVUG>

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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 20:50:48
    On 7/13/2026 8:36 AM, Ant wrote:

    BTW, I have two Rockfire gameport-to-USB
    adapters to connect an old Thrustmaster
    FCS+WCS flight sticks. :)

    Does it work well? I got rid of my gameport joysticks decades ago. I had Kraft KC3 joystick:
    https://duckduckgo.com/?kl=us-en&q=kraft+kc3+joystick


    They are fine. But the buttons are tied to old
    AT keyboard method and needed a DOS driver. So
    they are totally useless. The Rockfire USB
    adapater does NOT 100% convert the combo
    completely!! The hatswitch of the FCS will
    not work if WCS is attached.

    As the old FCS is working fine. I think I
    only need the new USB Hotas TWCS Throttle.

    DOS Days - ThrustMaster <https://dosdays.co.uk/topics/Manufacturers/thrustmaster.php>

    WCS Mark II
    <https://tmoldest.racesimcentral.net/service/wcs.htm>
    Thrustmaster WCS Mk II Throttle converted to USB - details here - SimHQ
    Forums <https://simhq.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4568006/thrustmaster-wcs-mk-ii-throttle-converted-to-usb-details-here>

    Reading hat switches on PC gameport joysticks | Dave Nunez Blog v2.0 <https://davenunez.wordpress.com/2014/02/22/reading-hat-switches-on-pc-gameport-joysticks/>

    Amazon.com: Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle (Compatible with PC) <https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960754-Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle/dp/B01L28LVUG>

    --

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    The game is afoot... Meow...

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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 14, 2026 01:12:17
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 7/12/2026 8:38 PM, Ant wrote:
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Mechanical Keyboard: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F2FBM5RG

    In your Subject, you said you wanted a USB-A keyboard. That one has a
    USB-C connector. You'll need to get an adapter, or replace their USB-C
    cable with a USB-C to USB-A cable, or use up a spare USB-C port on your
    computer if you have one.

    I decided not to get it for now. Yesterday, I got Logitech's K120 model from my local Target store (https://www.target.com/p/logitech-k120-ergonomic-desktop-usb-keyboard-black-920-002478/-/A-21502870).
    It took me awhile I find it since they (4) were buried low on the shelf! These are hot sellers, but why put down there? Sheesh! :P

    Anyways, I'll have to get used to it. Keys are like slippery which I am not used to. Maybe I should add honey or something over my keyboard, but that would be gross and attract Argentine ants, and void my return and warranty. :P At least, I can finally type faster and better than the old Dell 104-key PS/2 Dell Model SK-8110 and other keyboards with PS/2 splitter adapters.

    Both my old PCs (Debian/Linux and W10 Pro.) are working fine. No reboots needed too unlike PS/2. I swapped my old mouses too with KVM since I wanted to use my Amazon Basics (have to get used to it too). I currently have 30 days to return this keyboard if I hate it to get a better USB-A PC104 clicky keyboard. I feel like I have a new complete computer system right now after last week's tedious cleaning, new KVM, keyboard, and mouse.


    Logitech don't sell replacement keycaps, but they do have a web page regarding maintenance.

    https://www.logitech.com/en-us/discover/a/keycap-replacement-guide

    Then mention a keycap removal tool, versus "just prying on it". Some
    keycaps are insulted easily, and the right tool may do a better job of it.

    But as for market prices for keycaps, the fools sell them one by one,
    which you know isn't economic. They should quote a set. And some of the larger keys with stabilizer wires, are harder to fit (and that's assuming they stock those items).

    I am not handy enough to do this due to my disabilities. :(


    I think all my keyboards here are slippy. If the keys were textured,
    the texturing would wear off in no time. Be careful what you wish for,
    in other words. Part of being slippy as a keycap, is
    reducing (but not eliminating) surface wear. My "A","S","E" are almost
    gone. As you would expect, the higher frequency keys are the ones you
    might put a new keycap on.

    Ha, same with my Dell 104-key PS/2 Dell Model SK-8110 PS/2 keyboard like
    its letter C (sorry, Cookie Monster).


    On the $65 keyboard, there are no signs of wear yet.

    Which one do you have? I think I missed it?

    Let's see how long this new cheap keyboard will last. :P I noticed its USB cable is very thin like my new KVM's cables. I bet they won't last long.
    Both have three years warranties though. :/
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    "Jesus answered, ''It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'''" --Matthew 4:4. Breads have too much unhealthy carbohydrates anyways. :P
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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 22:22:43
    On Mon, 7/13/2026 9:12 PM, Ant wrote:
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On the $65 keyboard, there are no signs of wear yet.

    Which one do you have? I think I missed it?

    Let's see how long this new cheap keyboard will last. :P I noticed its USB cable is very thin like my new KVM's cables. I bet they won't last long. Both have three years warranties though. :/


    It's an XPG Infarex K20. Year 2018. I expect this was a clearance
    item, as they don't make those any more. When I bought it, it might
    have been out of production for a year or two.

    There is sufficient competition in kbd/mice, to erode your market
    position over night. You cannot sit at the top of the heap for
    very long, before someone tries to eat your lunch.

    Since most of the customers buy the $25 keyboard, there isn't
    much point stocking $65 keyboards.

    The most I paid for a keyboard, was $150 for an Apple Extended keyboard.
    If they'd used screws instead of rivets, I would have been quite
    happy with the thing, but I couldn't take it apart well enough to
    clean it. Whereas membrane keyboards, can be cleaned repeatedly,
    with no key-sticking problems. They may not be "nice" keyboards,
    but you cannot ruin one with a spilled Coke.

    Paul

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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, July 15, 2026 00:58:38
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    ...
    Yesterday, I got Logitech's K120 model from my local Target store (https://www.target.com/p/logitech-k120-ergonomic-desktop-usb-keyboard-black-920-002478/-/A-21502870).
    It took me awhile I find it since they (4) were buried low on the
    shelf! These are hot sellers, but why put down there? Sheesh! :P

    Woah. I got lucky. Price is now a few dollars more than on Saturday
    morning: $9.99 to $15.59! I wonder if I caused the price to go up. Haha.
    It's funny to see there is still three left after I took one. I guess
    it's not that popular in my local retail store. I'll most likely keep
    this keyboard since I'm used to it more. I still have like 26 days to
    return it if needed. Earlier today, I put my old PS/2 Dell clicky
    keyboard in the garage to etrash/recycle in the near future. :P


    Anyways, I'll have to get used to it. Keys are like slippery which I
    am not used to. Maybe I should add honey or something over my
    keyboard, but that would be gross and attract Argentine ants, and void
    my return and warranty. :P At least, I can finally type faster and
    better than the old Dell 104-key PS/2 Dell Model SK-8110 and other
    keyboards with PS/2 splitter adapters.

    I am more used to it now. I think I will keep it, but I still have 27
    days left. I already put my old PS/2 mouse and keyboard away in storage
    and probably get rid of the keyboard since its left shift key doesn't
    always press down. I have two newer PS/2 keyboards that work so I will
    just keep those just in case.
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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, July 14, 2026 23:22:14
    On Tue, 7/14/2026 8:58 PM, Ant wrote:
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    ...
    Yesterday, I got Logitech's K120 model from my local Target store
    (https://www.target.com/p/logitech-k120-ergonomic-desktop-usb-keyboard-black-920-002478/-/A-21502870).
    It took me awhile I find it since they (4) were buried low on the
    shelf! These are hot sellers, but why put down there? Sheesh! :P

    Woah. I got lucky. Price is now a few dollars more than on Saturday
    morning: $9.99 to $15.59! I wonder if I caused the price to go up. Haha. It's funny to see there is still three left after I took one. I guess
    it's not that popular in my local retail store. I'll most likely keep
    this keyboard since I'm used to it more. I still have like 26 days to
    return it if needed. Earlier today, I put my old PS/2 Dell clicky
    keyboard in the garage to etrash/recycle in the near future. :P


    Anyways, I'll have to get used to it. Keys are like slippery which I
    am not used to. Maybe I should add honey or something over my
    keyboard, but that would be gross and attract Argentine ants, and void
    my return and warranty. :P At least, I can finally type faster and
    better than the old Dell 104-key PS/2 Dell Model SK-8110 and other
    keyboards with PS/2 splitter adapters.

    I am more used to it now. I think I will keep it, but I still have 27
    days left. I already put my old PS/2 mouse and keyboard away in storage
    and probably get rid of the keyboard since its left shift key doesn't
    always press down. I have two newer PS/2 keyboards that work so I will
    just keep those just in case.


    I just took a look through the weird collection of keyboards at
    the local computer store, and the layouts are all over the place.

    I would hate to have to shop for a keyboard, this week.

    It's good that you got something that resembles a keyboard :-)

    Paul

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  • From Ant@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, July 15, 2026 20:05:37
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 7/14/2026 8:58 PM, Ant wrote:
    In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    ...
    Yesterday, I got Logitech's K120 model from my local Target store
    (https://www.target.com/p/logitech-k120-ergonomic-desktop-usb-keyboard-black-920-002478/-/A-21502870).
    It took me awhile I find it since they (4) were buried low on the
    shelf! These are hot sellers, but why put down there? Sheesh! :P

    Woah. I got lucky. Price is now a few dollars more than on Saturday morning: $9.99 to $15.59! I wonder if I caused the price to go up. Haha. It's funny to see there is still three left after I took one. I guess
    it's not that popular in my local retail store. I'll most likely keep
    this keyboard since I'm used to it more. I still have like 26 days to return it if needed. Earlier today, I put my old PS/2 Dell clicky
    keyboard in the garage to etrash/recycle in the near future. :P


    Anyways, I'll have to get used to it. Keys are like slippery which I
    am not used to. Maybe I should add honey or something over my
    keyboard, but that would be gross and attract Argentine ants, and void
    my return and warranty. :P At least, I can finally type faster and
    better than the old Dell 104-key PS/2 Dell Model SK-8110 and other
    keyboards with PS/2 splitter adapters.

    I am more used to it now. I think I will keep it, but I still have 27
    days left. I already put my old PS/2 mouse and keyboard away in storage and probably get rid of the keyboard since its left shift key doesn't always press down. I have two newer PS/2 keyboards that work so I will just keep those just in case.


    I just took a look through the weird collection of keyboards at
    the local computer store, and the layouts are all over the place.

    I would hate to have to shop for a keyboard, this week.

    It's good that you got something that resembles a keyboard :-)

    I hate those ergo split keyboards. I wished there were computer stores
    near by. They're all gone. :( Closest one is a hour away! :(
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